Sure I gave the organization the benefit of the doubt when they handed the keys to a World Series contender to guy who had NEVER managed at any level of the sport.
But frankly these last two games were some of the worst managed I'd ever seen. Boone made horrible decisions and worse yet seemed indecisive in pulling his pitchers. Except for Happ in game 1.
Sure given time he'll probably mature and likely get better but can the Yankees afford his growing pains?
Perspective.
I thought about the 100 win argument, but how much of that is on Boone? Cliche as it sounds could a monkey not have produced a similar outcome? When you have a lineup that breaks MLBs all time home run record, and a pitching staff bullpen combo that was pretty good, I'm not sure anyone couldn't have achieved the same results.
But either way you need a guy for the post season and do you really want to go through another season only to watch Boone fuck it up when it counts?
Yes, Boone won 100 games this year but anyone who followed them all year knows with the talent they have, plenty of managers could've done that and IMO, he also could've won more if he was a better manager.
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No. Yeah he was outmanaged but they need better starting pitching plain and simple.
I thought about the 100 win argument, but how much of that is on Boone? Cliche as it sounds could a monkey not have produced a similar outcome? When you have a lineup that breaks MLBs all time home run record, and a pitching staff bullpen combo that was pretty good, I'm not sure anyone couldn't have achieved the same results.
But either way you need a guy for the post season and do you really want to go through another season only to watch Boone fuck it up when it counts?
OK so was it his fault the lineups that produced in the regular season failed in the postseason?
He will be put on notice. Think its already clear hes not the long-term answer.
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No. Yeah he was outmanaged but they need better starting pitching plain and simple.
I thought about the 100 win argument, but how much of that is on Boone? Cliche as it sounds could a monkey not have produced a similar outcome? When you have a lineup that breaks MLBs all time home run record, and a pitching staff bullpen combo that was pretty good, I'm not sure anyone couldn't have achieved the same results.
But either way you need a guy for the post season and do you really want to go through another season only to watch Boone fuck it up when it counts?
OK so was it his fault the lineups that produced in the regular season failed in the postseason?
No you're right Boone can't make the hitters hit, but he can make sure the game score stayed closer.
but not a chance in hell NYY fires managers in back to back seasons following a 7 game ALCS and a 100 W season.
Yep, Stanton absolutely killed the Yankees this series. Killed so many rallies when just a base hit would suffice. They need more patient contact hitters. Should have signed JD.
Lol
The Yankees hit the ball harder than the Red Sox tonight-- they just kept hitting it right at the Sox fielders or the fielders made really sharp plays.
Them's the breaks in small-sample postseason baseball.
You can second guess any losing manager to death. It also comes down to execution by the player. There's also no guarantee that different decisions would have yielded different results.
but not a chance in hell NYY fires managers in back to back seasons following a 7 game ALCS and a 100 W season.
He would have pulled Sevvy and CC by the end of 3 no later. Lynn would have never been in last nights game in the situation he came into. He robably wpuldnt have come in until it was 10-1.
Boone leaving Sevvy in in the 4th after he let the first batter on was the thing that let that game out of control. Girardi probably would have had someone up by the 2nd because Sevvy was clearly not hitting his targets. We missed Girardi this series.
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with Girardi.
but not a chance in hell NYY fires managers in back to back seasons following a 7 game ALCS and a 100 W season.
He would have pulled Sevvy and CC by the end of 3 no later. Lynn would have never been in last nights game in the situation he came into. He robably wpuldnt have come in until it was 10-1.
Boone leaving Sevvy in in the 4th after he let the first batter on was the thing that let that game out of control. Girardi probably would have had someone up by the 2nd because Sevvy was clearly not hitting his targets. We missed Girardi this series.
Tend to agree with all of this, and yes it's easy for many to kill Boone now in hindsight, but this managerial switch was curious from day 1 and this series is where it reared its head.
Girardi has his faults too, but he was an actual manager and not a robot. Certainly would've had a much quicker trigger finger this series.
Also to others points i'm not sure how many decisions Boone is actually making. None of us really know that. Could be just the fall guy when models are making these calls or Cash is analyzing data with his team and calling it in.
Did Boone win a fucking raffle? You give the keys to managing one of the best built rosters in baseball to a guy not only had zero experience at any level, but was coming off being a fucking ESPN color man. Surely that couldn't bite us in the ass.
Failure in all facets. No pitching and I think I read that since the 2nd Sanchez HR, the team went for 10 for 68 the rest of the series.
Dave I think the game has evolved. Playoff lineups are just too good and unless you're one of the top pitchers in the game, 4 innings out of your starter in the playoffs is pretty good. The key is when to go to the pen before the lineup catches up with the starter and Boone utterly failed that test these last two games.
That would be pretty unprecedented wouldnt it? Not to mention deter other managers from wanting the job.
Buck anyone? Hahahah
I haven't seen much out of Boone this year that makes me think he's a plus manager or a guy who really stands out at all - it seemed like a lot of the decisions came from above outside of in-game decisions - and he kind of failed there by being too reactive instead of proactive. Severino was left in for far too long in Game 3.. Sabathia was left out there for too long tonight. These aren't regular season games. He didn't manage well at a lot of points in this series.
That said... again, the team won 100 games and outside of this division, they would have won any division outside of the ALW. The Red Sox just happened to have their best season ever and first 100+ win season since the 40's. Fucking shit luck.
Boone has a bit to learn. But it's hard to justify canning a manager after winning 100 games.
To me, Girardi was a better manager. But that ship has sailed. Boone has earned at least one more year.
For a good part of the season the starters punched above their weight, but they wilted when it really counted against the best team hitting team in baseball.
If Cashman dazzles you this off season with high profile positional signings, you'll know the team is on the wrong track. Yanks need quality starting arms. Period.
As for Boonie, he has earned the right to manage next season. But is he as good as the guy he replaced?
Nope.
Neither did Alex Cora
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Despite that , they were 1 hit away from tying the series up due to a fantastic job by the bullpen.
Boone deserves another chance but he needs some staff.
Buckshowalter proves that you cant just go by the numbers or analytics..,Boone has learn to go by his gut sometimes.
It sounds simple to just say lets get an ace. Not to many teams want to trade young ace pitchers, nor should they. That leaves you with giving up a fortune for a starter thats on the back nine of his career. Of course sometimes deals are out there, but we do still have some arms in the minors we can be hopeful about. The Yankees turned around a crap team very very quickly. If you trade everything away for 1 year it would be foolish. We won 100 games and besides Tuesday nights debacle we didnt get killed on the pitching, really we just didnt hit. Of course I want the Yankees to have a stud pitcher but it depends on the cost.
I agree they should have stayed with Andujar last night, but I still dont think you trade him.
He was out managed by Cora, but Boston was better than the Yankees in every way except in the bullpen.
Let's not forget he did a masterful job against the A's, even though he botched the Red Sox series.
I don't believe in the Cashman's puppet theory.
There will be changes to the lineup, but that will be another thread to kill 4 months...
Boat in is a better team. Better starting pitching. Yankees starting pitching is suspect. Not sure what happened to Sevy this year but he went from great to mediocre.
Like the Hokies were vs Notre Dame.....
Boone made his share of mistakes this year, but let's not forget how bad people were regarding Girardi, and he actually did have a significant blunder that cost us a playoff game last year.
Boone made his share of mistakes this year, but let's not forget how bad people were regarding Girardi, and he actually did have a significant blunder that cost us a playoff game last year.
I get mad during the season like all fans do, but this team won 100 games. It has some issues to fix and some decisions to make but the future is fucking bright.
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After the game last night, he also tweeted:
I have no feelings one way or the other for Sherman, but I thought these Tweets were interesting.
We can kill Boone all we want for decisions he made throughout the series regarding the starting pitchers (even if we don't know that the alternative would have provided better results).
But it comes down to execution and a lot of good fortune. Baseball is a sample size game-- there is so much volatility and randomness that the postseason is about who is the hottest team and who gets the breaks.
There is a criticism that the Yankees are too reliant on the Home Run and not enough on hitting the ball and making things happen. I think there is merit to this argument (and why I think the Astros have been the best team all year). This would jibe with Sherman's tweets about the Yankees not scoring by hit in games 3 or 4, and with the fact that Didi's doube in the 4th of Game 4 was their first double of the series.
But, as Sherman also notes, the Yankees weren't feast or famine last night. Halfway trhough the game, they weren't swinging for the fences and striking out all game like a HR-or-bust team is likely to do. They were smacking the ball hard. The misfortune is that they hit them right to Sox fielders or the Sox fielders made really nice plays on the ball.
That's just bad luck. And in a series, you need the luck of the hard hit balls finding gaps, and the weakly hit balls sneaking their way through.
Still can't believe the margin in the game was a homer by Christian Vazquez. That's humiliating. It's like giving up a homer to a pitcher.
- this team was loaded and only got better and more talented this season.
- a big argument for firing Girardi was that he didnt get along with the young guys- particularly Gary Sanchez. Howd that work out? He regressed big time offensively and defensively.
- he was always going to be judged on how he performed in the postseason. Howd that work out?
The Sawx can-opened the Yanks rotation with a very sharp knife.
We started the season with a questionable starting staff; they punched above their weight during the regular season; and then they crumbled to the canvass when it really counted against a heavy hitting ball club.
You'll know Cashman is fucked up if he dazzles you with a fancy free agent like a Machado or Harper. But if he doesn't secure reliable starting pitchers, the Sawx will be waiting in October 2019 to beat the fuck out of us once again.
And fuck Buck. He has advanced in the postseason precisely once in his career, and at least two of those failures was directly his fault.
Girardi was fired for essentially not being able to get us to a WS with a young team loaded with talent. He repeatedly made poor in-game management decisions like leaving pitchers in too long and getting burned for it. In this day and age of the MLB the manager has little impact on the performance of the team overall, IMO, but they're basically a talking head who is the puppet for the organization to speak with the media and manage the PR. Boone is fine with that, but we need a manager who's smarter with in-game management decisions. Boone made the same mistakes that Girardi did, and he had a better team. For God's sake Girardi didn't have Stanton at his disposal.
I also think this team is poorly conceived right now to make a run. Sure, we'll be great in the regular season when the bats will be dominant. But we all know that pitching takes over in October and that was evident throughout the playoffs. We need a better rotation. We went after Happ instead of DeGrom, because we're concerned with holding onto the dozen young prospects that are on the roster. I'm not saying mortgage the future but we have a team that is on the brink of being able to win now if we can get a true Ace the way the Red Sox got Sale.
Severino being on the mound in Game 3 was dumb, regardless of both him and CC's performances it should have been CC, Tanaka at Fenway and then Happ, Sevy in the Bronx.
Also, during the Game 3 blowout how are you not throwing at any of Boston's guys? WTF kind of spineless shit is that? We just roll over and take it now? We don't even send a message for next game? It was infuriating to watch.
Walker shouldn't have started Game 4, or at least Andujar should have pinch-hit in the bottom of the 9th at bat last night. Boone is way underqualified to be the Yankees manager. The guys in that locker room don't respect him as a brilliant and exceptional baseball player they should listen to. The Yankees need to hire A-Rod as soon as possible, if he's interested. He can handle the media and command respect in that locker room. Boone needs to go if this team is going to come close to a WS.
They went after Happ because under no circumstances would the Mets ever trade JDG to the Yankees.
Also, throwing at guys because you can't get them out is bullshit.
Throwing at guys is classless bullshit. Plus, the Red Sox offense is good enough and they run the bases well. Why would we give them free trips to first base with CC on the mound?
Come on guys. It's Yankees vs. Red Sox.
Archer was a disaster for the Pirates. The Rays won that trade big time. The Braves lucked out that they didn't win the bidding for Archer because they got Gausman significantly cheaper and he was by far the better pitcher.
Someone had to lose this series. I just dont get the thinking that when a team fails to win big SOMEONE always has to pay, or be held accountable.
WS or bust I guess.
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No. Yeah he was outmanaged but they need better starting pitching plain and simple.
I thought about the 100 win argument, but how much of that is on Boone? Cliche as it sounds could a monkey not have produced a similar outcome? When you have a lineup that breaks MLBs all time home run record, and a pitching staff bullpen combo that was pretty good, I'm not sure anyone couldn't have achieved the same results.
But either way you need a guy for the post season and do you really want to go through another season only to watch Boone fuck it up when it counts?
Right, lets blame the mgr for the failures and discredit him for the successes.
Boone didnt fuck up anything. You know who fuct up? How about Severino??!!! Dude shows up late and pitches like chicken fried shit in the biggest game all year. But yeah Boone fucked up by leaving him in too long never mind that a must win game likely loomed and you cant burn out the BP before that must win, nope, Monday morning qbing at its finest. Someone must be held accountable because Im sad that we lost to Boston!
Last season, the Yankees beat the Indians in the ALDS. They were down 2-0 in the series and then they won Game 3 1-0 on a Greg Bird home run. That game was as evenly matched up as it got (5 hits a piece, 11 Ks a piece) and could have very easily gone the other way. Bird's shot tails foul and the Indians score after Kipnis's 1-out triple, and perhaps the Indians sweep the Yankees 3-0. Not only that, the Indians lost their second best hitter-- Encarnacion-- for most of Game 2, and Games 3 and 4.
How easily the Indians could have won that series. They didn't. The Yankees did and then went on to push the Astros to 7 games.
But it so easily could have been the Yankees swept out of the ALDS-- and then by comparison, this season would have looked like going one game further than last season.
A manager who has ties to the organization, young in his first year and can grow?
Any other team and the fans are ecstatic and excited for the future.
I'd like to think most Mets fans appreciate every god dam hit, every strikeout and try to remain as optimistic as possible otherwise whats the point?
Can you find 8 games the Yankees could/should have won? Sure, you can also find games they could/should have lost and the same for Boston. The Red Sox were consistently better (and healthier) all season long.
Regardless of the manager, it likely leads to the Yankees as the wild card.
Corbin would be a better option and he also didn't lead the majors in hits allowed.
...when his team lost to a superior Red Sox club?
I won't disagree that mistakes were made. However, firing Boone and starting all over isn't the answer. The players appear to like him- which is a 180 difference from Girardi.
I think the real answer is that the Yanks need to find the best "wise man" bench coach out there- a guy like Zimmer, who basically carried Torre for years with his instincts, intuition and knowledge of the game- while Torre managed the personalities.
I am not an expert in who the best bench coaches are, or who has exceptional knowledge, but I did read an article several weeks ago about the interim manager for the Rangers- a guy named Don Wakamatsu. While I know nothing about the guy beyond what is said in the article, the experience he has and the people he has worked with really seem to fit the profile of what Boone needs from a bench coach. I linked the article below.
I think that the Yanks just need that guy who has been around the game so long that he has forgotten more than most people will ever know about the game. Boone only knows what he saw playing the game. He needs a guy with decades at all levels and sees and knows the small details others miss. A guy who won't threaten Boone's job, but make him a better manager.
That and adding a true #1/#2 SP this off-season would make Boone look a lot better.
Don Wakamatsu article - ( New Window )
Keuchels FIP was right on his career average, and he kept his ERA right in line with it despite being a bit on the unlucky side from a BABIP standpoint. Batted ball profile pretty much right in line with career numbers, and makes his living on ground balls and soft contact.
Corbin is a little bit more hard to pin down as far as what he really is. Career bests in just about every metric. Increase of over 2.5 Ks per 9 despite some consistent reports that the fastball was down a tick. Career best BABIP but still high at .302. Gave up a lot of hard contact.
For me, Corbin gets the edge on age and upside, Keuchel feels a little bit more safe. Both lefties. Injury concerns basically a push.
I think either one would be a really nice add assuming they arent getting Greinke/Kershaw/Scherzer bucks for 8 year term.
Baboone is Torres marionette. He is not going anywhere as it would be Cashman admitting a mistake.
Boone sucks but Girardi is no great manager either. You can add Torre to that group too.
But the Yanks lost partly because they were not constructed properly. Suspect starters and poor D. They fell in love with the new era of homers.
Too bad we didn't have JD Martinez instead of Stanton.
Someone had to lose this series. I just dont get the thinking that when a team fails to win big SOMEONE always has to pay, or be held accountable.
WS or bust I guess.
Ummm, no. Alex Cora had experience as the bench coach of a professional baseball team prior to this season (with the WS Champs). Whether the Red Sox won the series/pennant/championship or not, there's no question Cora was deserving of his position as a ML manager. Aaron Boone had none and really had no business being allowed to take over a team with the expectations of the 2018 Yankees. Some people are saying, "But they won 100 games" as if this is the Miami Marlins. They won 100 games because they are supremely talented, even more talented than we thought they would be prior to the season due to the emergence of guys like Andujar and Torres. If they kept Joe Girardi, who I didn't really care for either, they still would've won 100 games. That can't be Boone's saving grace. Girardi made it to within a game of winning a pennant and was let go. Now, 100 games is surefire protection for a manager? Boone's complete lack of experience should've kept him from getting the job in the first place and it came back to bite the Yankees in this series.
I'm not saying he's the reason they lost the series. I just think they can do better at the manager's position by finding someone with actual experience doing the job. And because this isn't the Miami Marlins, Boone shouldn't be allowed to "grow into the position". The 2019 (and beyond) Yankees can't wait for that.
He may have been out-managed but the MLB playoffs are a damn crapshoot. IMO the ALDS should be a 7 game series, it makes no sense to me that you play 162 games all year and but then limit the division championship to 5 games. IMO the wild card should be a 3 games series and then the ALDS, ALCS, and WS 7 games each. By making it 5 games it essentially makes each ALDS game more important than any ALCS or WS game. That's weird to me. I still don't know why they do it the way they do it knowing they are going to make LESS money doing so.
Boone did what was expected of him. Some of you are acting like he took a sure-fire WS champion and ran them into the ground. He took over a playoff team and maintained them as a playoff team, all while losing his best player for a couple of months, an ace who lost it in the second half and no contribution at all from Ellsbury.....
And yes, that last part is facetious.
Baboone is Torres marionette. He is not going anywhere as it would be Cashman admitting a mistake.
Boone sucks but Girardi is no great manager either. You can add Torre to that group too.
But the Yanks lost partly because they were not constructed properly. Suspect starters and poor D. They fell in love with the new era of homers.
Too bad we didn't have JD Martinez instead of Stanton.
This is my thing though, who is a good manager then? Even Joe Torre sucks? Every fan is going to think the manager of their team is the worst manager because they think they know baseball better. This happens in baseball even moreso than it does in football and I think it's because managing baseball *seems* simpler because everything is slowed down, every decision is separate and magnified in its own right, as opposed to in football where 22 guys are all running around at the same time and most fans who have never played know literally nothing about what's actually going on anyway. Managers of baseball teams get questioned moreso than any other sport (and that's really saying something), and even moreso in NY (for obvious reasons), and even moreso with the Yankees (for obvious reasons).
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lose a game 16-1, to try and blame that on the Manager reeks of a really bad take.
Boone made his share of mistakes this year, but let's not forget how bad people were regarding Girardi, and he actually did have a significant blunder that cost us a playoff game last year.
I get mad during the season like all fans do, but this team won 100 games. It has some issues to fix and some decisions to make but the future is fucking bright.
take out that hot april and may and they arent that good. They are bad fielders, bullpens so overrated, and their lineup is filled with sub .300 hitters that strike out a ton.Just goes to show you how bad the rest of the league was. Only a handful of good teams. You had three teams in the American League lose over 100 games the orioles whitesox and royals when was the last time that happen and funny thing is yankees struggled to beat those teams.
Oh please. This team wasnt good enough to make a World Series let alone win it. If they somehow got by Boston the Astros would of embarrassed us.
A manager who has ties to the organization, young in his first year and can grow?
Any other team and the fans are ecstatic and excited for the future.
I'd like to think most Mets fans appreciate every god dam hit, every strikeout and try to remain as optimistic as possible otherwise whats the point?
Met fans wanted Collins fired after he got them to a wild card game with a decimated met roster in 2016. Lets not act like met fans are this calm fan base.they destroyed Collins the entire 2015 off season after they went to a World Series.
So, you discount April and May and see that we can't beat the bottom-rung teams and still end up with 100 wins - then Boone must've done a bang-up job!! Boone won with a team that can't hit, can't field and has a terrible bullpen!!
Your consecutive posts filled with one hot take after another really make you sound like a fucking idiot.
To say fire Boone because of the Red Sox series overlooks that the same problems we complained about all year were what did us in.