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NFT: Should the Yankees fire Aaron Boone?

Giantsfan79 : 10/10/2018 12:08 am
Sure I gave the organization the benefit of the doubt when they handed the keys to a World Series contender to guy who had NEVER managed at any level of the sport.

But frankly these last two games were some of the worst managed I'd ever seen. Boone made horrible decisions and worse yet seemed indecisive in pulling his pitchers. Except for Happ in game 1.

Sure given time he'll probably mature and likely get better but can the Yankees afford his growing pains?
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After a 100 win season?  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/10/2018 12:11 am : link
No. Yeah he was outmanaged but they need better starting pitching plain and simple.
Lol no  
Danny Kanell : 10/10/2018 12:14 am : link
He had a rough series but cmon. They won 100 games with ALOT of adversity, a ton of injuries to key players and no real ace since June. And they beat a 97 win team in the wild card game and lost a tough series to a 108 win team.

Perspective.
Last time the Yanks fired a 100 win rookie manager?  
Stu11 : 10/10/2018 12:15 am : link
Dick Howser. One of the dumbest mistakes Steinbrenner ever made.
RE: After a 100 win season?  
Giantsfan79 : 10/10/2018 12:16 am : link
In comment 14117116 BigBlue4You09 said:
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No. Yeah he was outmanaged but they need better starting pitching plain and simple.


I thought about the 100 win argument, but how much of that is on Boone? Cliche as it sounds could a monkey not have produced a similar outcome? When you have a lineup that breaks MLBs all time home run record, and a pitching staff bullpen combo that was pretty good, I'm not sure anyone couldn't have achieved the same results.

But either way you need a guy for the post season and do you really want to go through another season only to watch Boone fuck it up when it counts?
I think they should consider it  
Eman11 : 10/10/2018 12:17 am : link
But they won't. He's exactly the puppet Cashman wanted, and he'll stick with him,IMO.

Yes, Boone won 100 games this year but anyone who followed them all year knows with the talent they have, plenty of managers could've done that and IMO, he also could've won more if he was a better manager.

I agree that I couldnt  
chopperhatch : 10/10/2018 12:17 am : link
Stand a lot of his decision making...regular season included, but Id put the chances of firing him after 1 year, the offense completely disappearing for chunks of the season and 3 of our postseason starters being completely shit at about .05%
Not a Boone fan, but this isn't really on Boone.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/10/2018 12:18 am : link
He's Cashman's puppet. This is what Cashman wanted; this is what he got. Blame it on him, if anyone.
RE: RE: After a 100 win season?  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/10/2018 12:19 am : link
In comment 14117122 Giantsfan79 said:
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No. Yeah he was outmanaged but they need better starting pitching plain and simple.



I thought about the 100 win argument, but how much of that is on Boone? Cliche as it sounds could a monkey not have produced a similar outcome? When you have a lineup that breaks MLBs all time home run record, and a pitching staff bullpen combo that was pretty good, I'm not sure anyone couldn't have achieved the same results.

But either way you need a guy for the post season and do you really want to go through another season only to watch Boone fuck it up when it counts?


OK so was it his fault the lineups that produced in the regular season failed in the postseason?
Nah, they would just replace him with another empty uniform, anyway.  
bceagle05 : 10/10/2018 12:20 am : link
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threeofakind33 : 10/10/2018 12:21 am : link
Won’t happen, but I do think the Yankees are nervous about his in-game managing and not just from this postseason. His awareness is lacking. The Severino and Sabathia fumbles were managerial malpractice.

He will be put on notice. Think it’s already clear he’s not the long-term answer.
Not what you want to hear, but it was a learning experience  
jcn56 : 10/10/2018 12:26 am : link
There'll be some changes in the offseason, some new faces on the coaching staff and some additional talent brought in. The future is bright, you just have to accept that they weren't primed to win it all this year.
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Giantsfan79 : 10/10/2018 12:30 am : link
In comment 14117126 BigBlue4You09 said:
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In comment 14117116 BigBlue4You09 said:


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No. Yeah he was outmanaged but they need better starting pitching plain and simple.



I thought about the 100 win argument, but how much of that is on Boone? Cliche as it sounds could a monkey not have produced a similar outcome? When you have a lineup that breaks MLBs all time home run record, and a pitching staff bullpen combo that was pretty good, I'm not sure anyone couldn't have achieved the same results.

But either way you need a guy for the post season and do you really want to go through another season only to watch Boone fuck it up when it counts?



OK so was it his fault the lineups that produced in the regular season failed in the postseason?


No you're right Boone can't make the hitters hit, but he can make sure the game score stayed closer.
No  
Kyle in NY : 10/10/2018 12:31 am : link
But he absolutely botched these last two games and he has to answer and learn from that. Because there are no excuses next season
Curious to see how things would've played out the last 5 days  
TexasGmenFan : 10/10/2018 12:32 am : link
with Girardi.

but not a chance in hell NYY fires managers in back to back seasons following a 7 game ALCS and a 100 W season.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/10/2018 12:35 am : link
We have been down this road before. You build a team overly-dependent on the HR, when the HRs dont come, you lose.
RE: _________  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/10/2018 12:39 am : link
In comment 14117145 I am Ninja said:
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We have been down this road before. You build a team overly-dependent on the HR, when the HRs dont come, you lose.


Yep, Stanton absolutely killed the Yankees this series. Killed so many rallies when just a base hit would suffice. They need more patient contact hitters. Should have signed JD.
I don't think so  
RasputinPrime : 10/10/2018 12:40 am : link
but if they do, i'm certainly interested in the position.
RE: I don't think so  
mattyblue : 10/10/2018 12:42 am : link
In comment 14117149 RasputinPrime said:
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but if they do, i'm certainly interested in the position.


Lol
ridiculous overreaction  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2018 12:42 am : link
So he gets no credit for what the team did over 162 games, but he deserves to be fired over what happened in 4 games.

The Yankees hit the ball harder than the Red Sox tonight-- they just kept hitting it right at the Sox fielders or the fielders made really sharp plays.

Them's the breaks in small-sample postseason baseball.

You can second guess any losing manager to death. It also comes down to execution by the player. There's also no guarantee that different decisions would have yielded different results.
RE: Curious to see how things would've played out the last 5 days  
chopperhatch : 10/10/2018 12:42 am : link
In comment 14117141 TexasGmenFan said:
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with Girardi.

but not a chance in hell NYY fires managers in back to back seasons following a 7 game ALCS and a 100 W season.


He would have pulled Sevvy and CC by the end of 3 no later. Lynn would have never been in last nights game in the situation he came into. He robably wpuldnt have come in until it was 10-1.

Boone leaving Sevvy in in the 4th after he let the first batter on was the thing that let that game out of control. Girardi probably would have had someone up by the 2nd because Sevvy was clearly not hitting his targets. We missed Girardi this series.
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TexasGmenFan : 10/10/2018 12:45 am : link
In comment 14117152 chopperhatch said:
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with Girardi.

but not a chance in hell NYY fires managers in back to back seasons following a 7 game ALCS and a 100 W season.



He would have pulled Sevvy and CC by the end of 3 no later. Lynn would have never been in last nights game in the situation he came into. He robably wpuldnt have come in until it was 10-1.

Boone leaving Sevvy in in the 4th after he let the first batter on was the thing that let that game out of control. Girardi probably would have had someone up by the 2nd because Sevvy was clearly not hitting his targets. We missed Girardi this series.


Tend to agree with all of this, and yes it's easy for many to kill Boone now in hindsight, but this managerial switch was curious from day 1 and this series is where it reared its head.

Girardi has his faults too, but he was an actual manager and not a robot. Certainly would've had a much quicker trigger finger this series.
IMO we were in position to win game 1 against  
NoGainDayne : 10/10/2018 12:48 am : link
Sale and we didn't come through. This series could have gone differently.

Also to others points i'm not sure how many decisions Boone is actually making. None of us really know that. Could be just the fall guy when models are making these calls or Cash is analyzing data with his team and calling it in.
Yes  
Phil in LA : 10/10/2018 12:53 am : link
he had no experience as a manager and it showed all year, not just in going with starters too long in this series.
The manager is not nearly as important  
Dave in PA : 10/10/2018 12:54 am : link
As having a starting pitcher that can go more than 4 god damn innings in a playoff game. Boone may be a little dense, but he’s not ever going to be the direct reason this team wins or loses. The players play and we need better ones.
I just still don't understand the move at all  
TexasGmenFan : 10/10/2018 12:55 am : link
Or why Girardi was so disliked.

Did Boone win a fucking raffle? You give the keys to managing one of the best built rosters in baseball to a guy not only had zero experience at any level, but was coming off being a fucking ESPN color man. Surely that couldn't bite us in the ass.
RE: The manager is not nearly as important  
TexasGmenFan : 10/10/2018 12:56 am : link
In comment 14117158 Dave in PA said:
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As having a starting pitcher that can go more than 4 god damn innings in a playoff game. Boone may be a little dense, but he’s not ever going to be the direct reason this team wins or loses. The players play and we need better ones.


Failure in all facets. No pitching and I think I read that since the 2nd Sanchez HR, the team went for 10 for 68 the rest of the series.
RE: The manager is not nearly as important  
Giantsfan79 : 10/10/2018 1:03 am : link
In comment 14117158 Dave in PA said:
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As having a starting pitcher that can go more than 4 god damn innings in a playoff game. Boone may be a little dense, but he’s not ever going to be the direct reason this team wins or loses. The players play and we need better ones.


Dave I think the game has evolved. Playoff lineups are just too good and unless you're one of the top pitchers in the game, 4 innings out of your starter in the playoffs is pretty good. The key is when to go to the pen before the lineup catches up with the starter and Boone utterly failed that test these last two games.
RE: Yes  
chopperhatch : 10/10/2018 1:19 am : link
In comment 14117157 Phil in LA said:
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he had no experience as a manager and it showed all year, not just in going with starters too long in this series.


That would be pretty unprecedented wouldnt it? Not to mention deter other managers from wanting the job.

Buck anyone? Hahahah
Why would it deter other managers from wanting the job?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/10/2018 2:10 am : link
It's a great job... even an idiot could win 100 games with this group. All it would do is admit the obvious, which is they made a mistake hiring a completely inexperienced person for a high pressure, high visibility, win-now situation.
If you fire him then also fire Cashman  
Bchurch : 10/10/2018 2:14 am : link
For chosing to trade for Stanton rather than sign JD Martinez.
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arcarsenal : 10/10/2018 2:24 am : link
I think Cora out-managed him in this series - but at the same time, it's a 100 win team that was missing their best hitter for 50 games, had to deal with several other injuries and issues including Gray being a complete turd and was forced to put guys like Robinson in the lineup for about a month until we got a hold of Cutch.

I haven't seen much out of Boone this year that makes me think he's a plus manager or a guy who really stands out at all - it seemed like a lot of the decisions came from above outside of in-game decisions - and he kind of failed there by being too reactive instead of proactive. Severino was left in for far too long in Game 3.. Sabathia was left out there for too long tonight. These aren't regular season games. He didn't manage well at a lot of points in this series.

That said... again, the team won 100 games and outside of this division, they would have won any division outside of the ALW. The Red Sox just happened to have their best season ever and first 100+ win season since the 40's. Fucking shit luck.

Boone has a bit to learn. But it's hard to justify canning a manager after winning 100 games.

To me, Girardi was a better manager. But that ship has sailed. Boone has earned at least one more year.
Nope  
M.S. : 10/10/2018 3:15 am : link
The Yanks started the season with questions about their starting staff and the team flamed out against the Sawx because of it's starting staff.

For a good part of the season the starters punched above their weight, but they wilted when it really counted against the best team hitting team in baseball.

If Cashman dazzles you this off season with high profile positional signings, you'll know the team is on the wrong track. Yanks need quality starting arms. Period.

As for Boonie, he has earned the right to manage next season. But is he as good as the guy he replaced?

Nope.
Team  
nygnyy274 : 10/10/2018 4:09 am : link
Was a win away from the World Series last year and had World Series expectations this year. And they were out in the first round. He was a awful a manger this year. winning 100 games in a weak American League doesn’t change a thing he managed poorly all year and next year if they crap the bed again he’s gone.
RE: Yes  
nygnyy274 : 10/10/2018 4:10 am : link
In comment 14117157 Phil in LA said:
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he had no experience as a manager and it showed all year, not just in going with starters too long in this series.


Neither did Alex Cora
he's going nowhere  
Allen in CNJ : 10/10/2018 4:46 am : link
and this team won 100 games. This team needs more quality starters and needs to re-think their approach at the plate when guys come to bat with RISP. Too many opportunities wasted by trying to get the big hit - sometimes playing old school works - hitting behind runners, moving runners over, sacrificing players either by bunt or flyball, hit and run, etc. all generate runs - and this lineup, no matter what anyone says, can certainly do that.
RE: After a 100 win season?  
Tuckrule : 10/10/2018 6:02 am : link
In comment 14117116 BigBlue4You09 said:
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No. Yeah he was outmanaged but they need better starting pitching plain and simple.


This
The Yankees need to bite the bullet and pull off a deal to acquire  
Ira : 10/10/2018 6:26 am : link
an ace. It'll cost a lot and fans will be screaming about the cost, but this team has gone about as far as it can go with a great pen and great position players but average starting pitching.
When all you have is CC to start  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/10/2018 6:43 am : link
An elimination game you got starting pitching problems. I knew after the first inning CC was not long for this game. Boone stayed with him too long ! As he did with Sevy.

Despite that , they were 1 hit away from tying the series up due to a fantastic job by the bullpen.

Boone deserves another chance but he needs some staff.

Buckshowalter proves that you can’t just go by the numbers or analytics..,Boone has learn to go by his gut sometimes.

RE: The Yankees need to bite the bullet and pull off a deal to acquire  
mattyblue : 10/10/2018 6:44 am : link
In comment 14117191 Ira said:
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an ace. It'll cost a lot and fans will be screaming about the cost, but this team has gone about as far as it can go with a great pen and great position players but average starting pitching.


It sounds simple to just say let’s get an ace. Not to many teams want to trade young ace pitchers, nor should they. That leaves you with giving up a fortune for a starter that’s on the back nine of his career. Of course sometimes deals are out there, but we do still have some arms in the minors we can be hopeful about. The Yankees turned around a crap team very very quickly. If you trade everything away for 1 year it would be foolish. We won 100 games and besides Tuesday nights debacle we didn’t get killed on the pitching, really we just didn’t hit. Of course I want the Yankees to have a stud pitcher but it depends on the cost.
And to the original  
mattyblue : 10/10/2018 6:47 am : link
question I don’t see how you fire Boone. I don’t think he should have been hired in the first place but I don’t see why they should fire him either.
Andujar  
13ODB : 10/10/2018 6:54 am : link
Didn’t even get a fucking at Bat last night this guy was one of the best bats in the lineup this year he was a doubles machine he got a ton of big hits he might win rookie of the year and yet he sat for Neil fucking Walker. Just trade him and sign Machado it’s obvious they are down on his defense
RE: Andujar  
mattyblue : 10/10/2018 7:01 am : link
In comment 14117197 13ODB said:
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Didn’t even get a fucking at Bat last night this guy was one of the best bats in the lineup this year he was a doubles machine he got a ton of big hits he might win rookie of the year and yet he sat for Neil fucking Walker. Just trade him and sign Machado it’s obvious they are down on his defense


I agree they should have stayed with Andujar last night, but I still don’t think you trade him.
They will not fire Boone.  
section125 : 10/10/2018 7:02 am : link
Just like any rookie, he needs time to gain experience. I am not a Boone lover, but his "Ace" stopped pitching at the All Star break and as much as we love CC because of his guile, he is a #6 starter.
He was out managed by Cora, but Boston was better than the Yankees in every way except in the bullpen.

Let's not forget he did a masterful job against the A's, even though he botched the Red Sox series.
I don't believe in the Cashman's puppet theory.

There will be changes to the lineup, but that will be another thread to kill 4 months...
$180 million dollar payroll  
rebel yell : 10/10/2018 7:10 am : link
and they only eke out one win against the Sox, but you want to blame Boone? He's not out there with a bat and glove. Stanton is overpaid and under-produced and they need better pitching.
I am not a huge fan of Boone  
Jints in Carolina : 10/10/2018 7:44 am : link
and IMO made some very questionable decisions but there is no way you fire him. He'll hopefully learn from this.
They easily could have won 3 out of four games played  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/10/2018 7:47 am : link
But they didn’t hit with men on base. Not sure how that is the managers fault.

Boat in is a better team. Better starting pitching. Yankees starting pitching is suspect. Not sure what happened to Sevy this year but he went from great to mediocre.
Nope ...  
Beer Man : 10/10/2018 7:50 am : link
100 win season while being very thin at SP is not bad.
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Beer Man : 10/10/2018 7:52 am : link
In comment 14117212 Beer Man said:
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100 win season while being very thin at SP is not bad.
I would add. IMHO great hitting will get you to the playoffs, but you need great SP to win a ring.
Yankee threads have turned into such embarrassments  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2018 7:59 am : link
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RE: Yankee threads have turned into such embarrassments  
Jints in Carolina : 10/10/2018 8:00 am : link
In comment 14117215 Greg from LI said:
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Like the Hokies were vs Notre Dame.....
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