Sure I gave the organization the benefit of the doubt when they handed the keys to a World Series contender to guy who had NEVER managed at any level of the sport.
But frankly these last two games were some of the worst managed I'd ever seen. Boone made horrible decisions and worse yet seemed indecisive in pulling his pitchers. Except for Happ in game 1.
Sure given time he'll probably mature and likely get better but can the Yankees afford his growing pains?
Perspective.
I thought about the 100 win argument, but how much of that is on Boone? Cliche as it sounds could a monkey not have produced a similar outcome? When you have a lineup that breaks MLBs all time home run record, and a pitching staff bullpen combo that was pretty good, I'm not sure anyone couldn't have achieved the same results.
But either way you need a guy for the post season and do you really want to go through another season only to watch Boone fuck it up when it counts?
Yes, Boone won 100 games this year but anyone who followed them all year knows with the talent they have, plenty of managers could've done that and IMO, he also could've won more if he was a better manager.
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No. Yeah he was outmanaged but they need better starting pitching plain and simple.
I thought about the 100 win argument, but how much of that is on Boone? Cliche as it sounds could a monkey not have produced a similar outcome? When you have a lineup that breaks MLBs all time home run record, and a pitching staff bullpen combo that was pretty good, I'm not sure anyone couldn't have achieved the same results.
But either way you need a guy for the post season and do you really want to go through another season only to watch Boone fuck it up when it counts?
OK so was it his fault the lineups that produced in the regular season failed in the postseason?
He will be put on notice. Think it’s already clear he’s not the long-term answer.
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No. Yeah he was outmanaged but they need better starting pitching plain and simple.
I thought about the 100 win argument, but how much of that is on Boone? Cliche as it sounds could a monkey not have produced a similar outcome? When you have a lineup that breaks MLBs all time home run record, and a pitching staff bullpen combo that was pretty good, I'm not sure anyone couldn't have achieved the same results.
But either way you need a guy for the post season and do you really want to go through another season only to watch Boone fuck it up when it counts?
OK so was it his fault the lineups that produced in the regular season failed in the postseason?
No you're right Boone can't make the hitters hit, but he can make sure the game score stayed closer.
but not a chance in hell NYY fires managers in back to back seasons following a 7 game ALCS and a 100 W season.
Yep, Stanton absolutely killed the Yankees this series. Killed so many rallies when just a base hit would suffice. They need more patient contact hitters. Should have signed JD.
Lol
The Yankees hit the ball harder than the Red Sox tonight-- they just kept hitting it right at the Sox fielders or the fielders made really sharp plays.
Them's the breaks in small-sample postseason baseball.
You can second guess any losing manager to death. It also comes down to execution by the player. There's also no guarantee that different decisions would have yielded different results.
but not a chance in hell NYY fires managers in back to back seasons following a 7 game ALCS and a 100 W season.
He would have pulled Sevvy and CC by the end of 3 no later. Lynn would have never been in last nights game in the situation he came into. He robably wpuldnt have come in until it was 10-1.
Boone leaving Sevvy in in the 4th after he let the first batter on was the thing that let that game out of control. Girardi probably would have had someone up by the 2nd because Sevvy was clearly not hitting his targets. We missed Girardi this series.
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with Girardi.
but not a chance in hell NYY fires managers in back to back seasons following a 7 game ALCS and a 100 W season.
He would have pulled Sevvy and CC by the end of 3 no later. Lynn would have never been in last nights game in the situation he came into. He robably wpuldnt have come in until it was 10-1.
Boone leaving Sevvy in in the 4th after he let the first batter on was the thing that let that game out of control. Girardi probably would have had someone up by the 2nd because Sevvy was clearly not hitting his targets. We missed Girardi this series.
Tend to agree with all of this, and yes it's easy for many to kill Boone now in hindsight, but this managerial switch was curious from day 1 and this series is where it reared its head.
Girardi has his faults too, but he was an actual manager and not a robot. Certainly would've had a much quicker trigger finger this series.
Also to others points i'm not sure how many decisions Boone is actually making. None of us really know that. Could be just the fall guy when models are making these calls or Cash is analyzing data with his team and calling it in.
Did Boone win a fucking raffle? You give the keys to managing one of the best built rosters in baseball to a guy not only had zero experience at any level, but was coming off being a fucking ESPN color man. Surely that couldn't bite us in the ass.
Failure in all facets. No pitching and I think I read that since the 2nd Sanchez HR, the team went for 10 for 68 the rest of the series.
Dave I think the game has evolved. Playoff lineups are just too good and unless you're one of the top pitchers in the game, 4 innings out of your starter in the playoffs is pretty good. The key is when to go to the pen before the lineup catches up with the starter and Boone utterly failed that test these last two games.
That would be pretty unprecedented wouldnt it? Not to mention deter other managers from wanting the job.
Buck anyone? Hahahah
I haven't seen much out of Boone this year that makes me think he's a plus manager or a guy who really stands out at all - it seemed like a lot of the decisions came from above outside of in-game decisions - and he kind of failed there by being too reactive instead of proactive. Severino was left in for far too long in Game 3.. Sabathia was left out there for too long tonight. These aren't regular season games. He didn't manage well at a lot of points in this series.
That said... again, the team won 100 games and outside of this division, they would have won any division outside of the ALW. The Red Sox just happened to have their best season ever and first 100+ win season since the 40's. Fucking shit luck.
Boone has a bit to learn. But it's hard to justify canning a manager after winning 100 games.
To me, Girardi was a better manager. But that ship has sailed. Boone has earned at least one more year.
For a good part of the season the starters punched above their weight, but they wilted when it really counted against the best team hitting team in baseball.
If Cashman dazzles you this off season with high profile positional signings, you'll know the team is on the wrong track. Yanks need quality starting arms. Period.
As for Boonie, he has earned the right to manage next season. But is he as good as the guy he replaced?
Nope.
Neither did Alex Cora
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Despite that , they were 1 hit away from tying the series up due to a fantastic job by the bullpen.
Boone deserves another chance but he needs some staff.
Buckshowalter proves that you can’t just go by the numbers or analytics..,Boone has learn to go by his gut sometimes.
It sounds simple to just say let’s get an ace. Not to many teams want to trade young ace pitchers, nor should they. That leaves you with giving up a fortune for a starter that’s on the back nine of his career. Of course sometimes deals are out there, but we do still have some arms in the minors we can be hopeful about. The Yankees turned around a crap team very very quickly. If you trade everything away for 1 year it would be foolish. We won 100 games and besides Tuesday nights debacle we didn’t get killed on the pitching, really we just didn’t hit. Of course I want the Yankees to have a stud pitcher but it depends on the cost.
I agree they should have stayed with Andujar last night, but I still don’t think you trade him.
He was out managed by Cora, but Boston was better than the Yankees in every way except in the bullpen.
Let's not forget he did a masterful job against the A's, even though he botched the Red Sox series.
I don't believe in the Cashman's puppet theory.
There will be changes to the lineup, but that will be another thread to kill 4 months...
Boat in is a better team. Better starting pitching. Yankees starting pitching is suspect. Not sure what happened to Sevy this year but he went from great to mediocre.
Like the Hokies were vs Notre Dame.....