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NFT: Yankees Wrap Up: What’s Next?

ajr2456 : 10/10/2018 7:35 am
Thought I was about to catch a walk off grand slam but alas.

Of our free agents I’d ideally bring back McCutchen, DRob, Happ and Britton. It’s unlikely they bring back both relievers though. They’ll desperately need to add a starter, but I’m worried Corbin is Sonny 2.0.

I’d not pick up Gardner’s option.
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It's time...  
blue2 : 10/10/2018 8:19 am : link
to move on from Cashman.
RE: It's time...  
Jints in Carolina : 10/10/2018 8:27 am : link
In comment 14117227 blue2 said:
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to move on from Cashman.


huh?
well the Yankees reset their tax rate  
Giantsfan79 : 10/10/2018 8:31 am : link
so they're going to have a ton of money to spend this offseason. I'd expect a spending spree like they've done in the past.
My wishful thinking line-up and rotation  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/10/2018 8:32 am : link
CF - Hicks
RF - Judge
SS - Machado (F/A signing)
DH - Stanton
3B - Didi
2B - Torres
1B - Voit/NWalker
C - Wilson Ramos (F/A signing)
LF - Frazier/McCutch

SP
Jacob deGrom (ship Sanchez, Andujar and Monty to Mets)
Dallas Keuchel (F/A signing)
Tanaka
Happ (re-sign)
Severino
I don't know if there is any market but I'm done with Stanton  
Stu11 : 10/10/2018 8:33 am : link
would love to trade him. I know they won't get much if they even manage to find a taker, maybe the Dodgers? Yes he had a nice streak for 10 days or so when Judge went down, but he's way too streaky and doesn't make consistent contact at all. More so there is no plate discipline whatsoever. I'm not scapegoating him for all our problems. We have other fish to fry, but the AB's he had in games 1 and 4 when we were trying to rally were pathetic. We got the karate kid on the ropes last night and he lets him get away with 3 out of 4 pitches not even within 2 feet of the strike zone. I'm done. I know it seems like I'm piling on and blaming him for everything, but I'm not I know we need to improve other areas, but I think they'd much benefit from moving him and signing Machado instead.
Macahdo  
KJG5173 : 10/10/2018 8:34 am : link
I have not been a fan of signing Macahdo to a monster deal. But if they won’t play Andujar in win or go home games then I would sign Machado, trade Andujar and a young arm for Snell, resign the bullpen and Happ. Gardner in the 9 hole or 4th outfielder doesn’t bother me one way or another.
RE: It's time...  
Stu11 : 10/10/2018 8:36 am : link
In comment 14117227 blue2 said:
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to move on from Cashman.

Great insight. Did you even pay attention to the moves he made in-season? Happ and Cutch breathed new life into the team. I don't think Britton worked out as well as we'd hoped, but it was definitely a no brainer. He did all that without really giving up a meaningful prospect. We have problems, but Cash is not even close to one of them.
RE: I don't know if there is any market but I'm done with Stanton  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/10/2018 8:37 am : link
In comment 14117242 Stu11 said:
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would love to trade him. I know they won't get much if they even manage to find a taker, maybe the Dodgers? Yes he had a nice streak for 10 days or so when Judge went down, but he's way too streaky and doesn't make consistent contact at all. More so there is no plate discipline whatsoever. I'm not scapegoating him for all our problems. We have other fish to fry, but the AB's he had in games 1 and 4 when we were trying to rally were pathetic. We got the karate kid on the ropes last night and he lets him get away with 3 out of 4 pitches not even within 2 feet of the strike zone. I'm done. I know it seems like I'm piling on and blaming him for everything, but I'm not I know we need to improve other areas, but I think they'd much benefit from moving him and signing Machado instead.


To your point I'm done with Sanchez. The guy is such a lazy player, and has no plate discipline whatsoever. Give me Wilson Ramos and Romine as my catchers and ship out Sanchez and perhaps Andujar for some top-tier pitching.
RE: I don't know if there is any market but I'm done with Stanton  
Dave in PA : 10/10/2018 8:37 am : link
In comment 14117242 Stu11 said:
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would love to trade him. I know they won't get much if they even manage to find a taker, maybe the Dodgers? Yes he had a nice streak for 10 days or so when Judge went down, but he's way too streaky and doesn't make consistent contact at all. More so there is no plate discipline whatsoever. I'm not scapegoating him for all our problems. We have other fish to fry, but the AB's he had in games 1 and 4 when we were trying to rally were pathetic. We got the karate kid on the ropes last night and he lets him get away with 3 out of 4 pitches not even within 2 feet of the strike zone. I'm done. I know it seems like I'm piling on and blaming him for everything, but I'm not I know we need to improve other areas, but I think they'd much benefit from moving him and signing Machado instead.
That anchor is here to stay, for better or worse.
does it bother you that most rankings say  
Giantsfan79 : 10/10/2018 8:37 am : link
Machado is one of the worst shortstops in the game defensively but one of the elite third baseman defensively?

Should the Yankees sign Machado they could Andujar to first or perhaps left field where his strong throwing arm would be an asset.
also my guess  
Giantsfan79 : 10/10/2018 8:41 am : link
the Yankees make a strong play for Yusei Kikuchi who is the next Japanese pitcher coming over this offseason.
I’d love to hear Stan’s thoughts  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/10/2018 8:44 am : link
He said to wake him up in October but he must still be sleeping...
RE: does it bother you that most rankings say  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2018 8:44 am : link
In comment 14117251 Giantsfan79 said:
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Machado is one of the worst shortstops in the game defensively but one of the elite third baseman defensively?

Should the Yankees sign Machado they could Andujar to first or perhaps left field where his strong throwing arm would be an asset.


Andujar is the one tradeable piece they have for pitching. They need starting pitching. Who is out there that we could have?

RE: does it bother you that most rankings say  
Tuckrule : 10/10/2018 8:48 am : link
In comment 14117251 Giantsfan79 said:
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Machado is one of the worst shortstops in the game defensively but one of the elite third baseman defensively?

Should the Yankees sign Machado they could Andujar to first or perhaps left field where his strong throwing arm would be an asset.


Andujar is an infielder. Can’t just say “let’s stick him left where his arm willl be an asset”. Playing left at Yankee stadium is a tough task. Look at gardys catch. Very few left fielders make that play. I would love manny at third. Would def trade miggy and someone else for an arm
RE: RE: does it bother you that most rankings say  
Giantsfan79 : 10/10/2018 8:56 am : link
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Andujar is the one tradeable piece they have for pitching. They need starting pitching. Who is out there that we could have?



the holdover established starters
1. Sevy
2. Tanaka
3. Gray

hoping to return from injury
4. Monty

likely to make his mlb debut next year
5. Justus Sheffield

hoping they improve heading into next season
6. Chance Adams
7. Domingo German
8. Jonathan Loaisiga

big name international free agent
Yusei Kikuchi

potential free agent targets
Patrick Corbin (29 years old, 5.7 WAR)
Dallas Keuchel (31, 3.4)
J.A. Happ (36, 2.5)
CC Sabathia (38, 2.2)
Nathan Eovaldi (29, 1.5)
Gio Gonzalez (33, 1.4)


plenty of pitching to be had for nothing other than money, without making a roster depleting trade for an ace.
Our starting pitching came up small in this series...  
Dunedin81 : 10/10/2018 9:01 am : link
and therein lies the problem. I don't buy that Severino is David Price part deux, and he's the least of our problems during the season. Tanaka was up and down but mostly okay and doesn't shy away from pressure. CC? Eh, maybe. Good year on the whole, he's a leader, but he didn't get it done yesterday and he's an awkward step away from the 60-day. Happ had a great 2nd half, but he's getting up there in age. Is it really worth the ask (my guess is at least 3/$36) for a guy who likely peaked this year? I don't really want Lynn unless he's cheap. Gray? No.

The problem is it's not a great pitching market. Even if Kershaw opts out, he's on the decline. He's declining from being the best pitcher in baseball so if he's reasonably healthy they can still get some value, but he's a minimum $25 mil per. Corbin? Maybe, but the ask is going to be astronomical.
Monty probably misses all of next year  
Dunedin81 : 10/10/2018 9:01 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: does it bother you that most rankings say  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2018 9:02 am : link
In comment 14117266 Giantsfan79 said:
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Andujar is the one tradeable piece they have for pitching. They need starting pitching. Who is out there that we could have?





the holdover established starters
1. Sevy
2. Tanaka
3. Gray

hoping to return from injury
4. Monty

likely to make his mlb debut next year
5. Justus Sheffield

hoping they improve heading into next season
6. Chance Adams
7. Domingo German
8. Jonathan Loaisiga

big name international free agent
Yusei Kikuchi

potential free agent targets
Patrick Corbin (29 years old, 5.7 WAR)
Dallas Keuchel (31, 3.4)
J.A. Happ (36, 2.5)
CC Sabathia (38, 2.2)
Nathan Eovaldi (29, 1.5)
Gio Gonzalez (33, 1.4)


plenty of pitching to be had for nothing other than money, without making a roster depleting trade for an ace.


I'm sure JA Happ will be resigned. I would at least hope so.

I'm not saying they have to trade Andujar, but with Machado out there as a Free Agent, the Yanks could certainly sign him, and then trade Andujar for a pitching upgrade.

It doesn't have to happen.

Would love to see Justus play in the bigs as a starter.
Severino  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2018 9:04 am : link
Everyone's entitled to their own wild-ass guesses, armchair therapists included. Me, I think it's worth considering that Severino had a huge jump in innings in 2017. It's not uncommon for a pitcher to slump the next year. That makes a lot more sense to me than nonsense about how he supposedly has no balls or whatever.
RE: RE: does it bother you that most rankings say  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/10/2018 9:07 am : link
In comment 14117258 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14117251 Giantsfan79 said:


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Machado is one of the worst shortstops in the game defensively but one of the elite third baseman defensively?

Should the Yankees sign Machado they could Andujar to first or perhaps left field where his strong throwing arm would be an asset.



Andujar is the one tradeable piece they have for pitching. They need starting pitching. Who is out there that we could have?


Degrom... period!
RE: Severino  
Justlurking : 10/10/2018 9:10 am : link
In comment 14117274 Greg from LI said:
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Everyone's entitled to their own wild-ass guesses, armchair therapists included. Me, I think it's worth considering that Severino had a huge jump in innings in 2017. It's not uncommon for a pitcher to slump the next year. That makes a lot more sense to me than nonsense about how he supposedly has no balls or whatever.


His arm was tired. I’m more concerned with injury than anything else. He was muscling up and lost command. I think sevy will be fine. He’s so young still.

They need a lefty bat. They do not need Cutch nor should they resign him. I think they’re going to get Harper. The Machado talk also doesn’t make sense unless you deal Andujar for a SP.

I don’t trade Gary while his value is low. Would be foolish.

Corbin is a New Yorker and not a weirdo so sonny gray comparison is off.
I think Greg is correct about Severino  
arniefez : 10/10/2018 9:11 am : link
I think he ran out of gas. I also think he could benefit from a different voice in his ear but that probably won't happen.
RE: RE: RE: does it bother you that most rankings say  
Giantsfan79 : 10/10/2018 9:12 am : link
In comment 14117276 GMAN4LIFE said:
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In comment 14117258 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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In comment 14117251 Giantsfan79 said:


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Machado is one of the worst shortstops in the game defensively but one of the elite third baseman defensively?

Should the Yankees sign Machado they could Andujar to first or perhaps left field where his strong throwing arm would be an asset.



Andujar is the one tradeable piece they have for pitching. They need starting pitching. Who is out there that we could have?




Degrom... period!


Would love it. But the Mets already said unless Gleyber Torres is the first name going back the Yankees shouldn't even bother. Again would love Degrom but not sure I want to pay the Mets price.
the Mets wouldn't trade Degrom to the Yankees regardless  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2018 9:17 am : link
You know it and I know it. They would never do something that would help the Yankees, even if it's the smart play.
Harper and 2 steady starting pitching...  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/10/2018 9:19 am : link
thats all that is needed. Get dallas, an innings eater, and Harper
Cash isn’t faultless. The Stanton and that 3B from Arizona  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/10/2018 9:21 am : link
trades were bad. He always has to pull off something big when he gets spurned, Stanton because of Ohtani, Ellsbury because of Cano. Which other GM can afford to hide that contract on the injury reserve? I am afraid we might be doing the same thing towards the last third of the Stanton contract.

He might be responsible for 2-3 wins in the regular season directly and maybe a handful more indirectly, but he was pretty much useless in the playoffs. How much better would we be had we signed JD Martinez instead?

And picking Boone as the manager was just pure arrogance, I am sure he regrets it but probably won’t do anything.

The system isn’t so stocked with ready prospects now, I fear we are looking at a couple of mega deals this offseason.
If Machado is willing to play  
Ash_3 : 10/10/2018 9:22 am : link
3B for the Yanks, hard not to think about that seriously.

I'm not a good baseball analyst...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/10/2018 9:24 am : link
love baseball and played in my youth, but that's about it.

Having said that, doesn't it seem like we need some more contact hitters in the lineup? Guys who can work the count a little bit better than what we've got?

The only antidote I've seen for outstanding starting pitching in the playoffs is to have guys at the plate who are very good at running up the pitch count. Wasn't that a critical part of our success in years past? It seems that's what beats us too.

Got two strikes on me? Too bad, I'm going to foul off anything near the plate. I'll adjust my swing and turn it into at least 7 pitches to get me out. With any luck I'll find a way to get on base. If not, at least you won't likely get out of the fifth inning with less than 90 pitches or so.

I know that the starting pitching let us down. But then again, scoring matters right? 8 runs across three losses isn't exactly giving a ton of run support, is it?

the Stanton trade was bad???  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2018 9:27 am : link
He traded suckass Starlin Castro and two longshot kids in the low minors for the reigning MVP. If you think that's a "bad" trade, then there's no reason to ever pay attention to anything you ever have to say in the future.
My wish list...  
Milton : 10/10/2018 9:28 am : link
Bryce Harper
Patrick Corbin

Other than that, it's about who is reasonably priced (whether it's a free agent or trade target).
Contact hitters and guys who work the count...  
Dunedin81 : 10/10/2018 9:30 am : link
tend to be two separate things. Patient hitters work the count; contact hitters tend to swing early and are more apt to swing at a close pitch than take it. The Yankees have a number of guys who rank among the league leaders in pitches per AB. Judge is a very patient hitter, while Andujar is a contact hitter.
Here's what I think  
arniefez : 10/10/2018 9:30 am : link
Cashman is going nowhere he's basically family at this point and the Yankees are a family run business.

Stanton is going nowhere. 9 more years probably 2000 more strikeouts. You would have thought after Arod the Yankees would know better but I guess not. I don't think any team would would take his contract if the Yankees put him on waivers which I'm not sure they could do since he has a full no trade.

The Yankees got nothing from Sanchez or Bird this year. Bird may not even be on the team going forward. Sanchez is one of their core players hopefully this year was just a bad dream. Is anyone sold on Voit as full time 1B going forward? He's another bad defender in an infield full of them except Didi.

They got a great unexpected regular season bat from Andujar. It remains to be seen if he learns how to be an elite hitter or he's just going to be a guy who puts up numbers over 162 games which is still very valuable. It remains to be seen if he can ever field well enough to stay at 3B. Do we think they can live with his historically bad defense for another year?

Torres disappointed me in some ways. Not that I expected a 21 year old to be fully developed at his age but his fielding wasn't good at all and he got away from being a hitter and tried to hit a HR on every pitch. Hopefully he doesn't go backward next year. He is one of their core players.

Sounds like they'll pick up Gardner's option and Ellsbury is still under contract. So they'll let McCutchen walk. Frazier will get a chance to make the team. Hicks, Judge & Stanton will all be back too.

The luxury tax has been reset so no more talk about Hal's money.

If I ran the Yankees I'd sign Manny to play 3B and trade Andujar for young pitchers plural. I'd sign Corbin. I'd resign CC. I'd resign Happ. I'd resign Britton & Robertson too

The way their offense is built to hit HR's and nothing else they're going to score a ton of regular season runs but they're also going to be wildly inconsistent. The pitching is going to have to be much more consistent and the starting pitching is going to have to be much better to win a World Series with this offense and defense.
RE: the Stanton trade was bad???  
Milton : 10/10/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 14117304 Greg from LI said:
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He traded suckass Starlin Castro and two longshot kids in the low minors for the reigning MVP. If you think that's a "bad" trade, then there's no reason to ever pay attention to anything you ever have to say in the future.
It's not about what was given up, it's about the guaranteed contract that still has ten years remaining on it. I'm not saying it was a bad trade, but it's worthy of debate.
Unless we think Andujar and Torres  
Ash_3 : 10/10/2018 9:31 am : link
just had their career years and are about to regress, I think the main thing is figuring out how to get another premium arm in the rotation and maintaining the bullpen at or around its current level.

5 games is a small sample size and we suffered from the injury bug this season.

Gary Sanchez needs to drop 15-20 lbs this offseason. Obviously he's never going to be a great defensive catcher, but his current level is indefensible and all that extra weight has got to be hell on the knees too.
Dunedin81  
arniefez : 10/10/2018 9:31 am : link
Not sure I'd call Andujar a contact hitter. He's more like a better hitter version of Starlin Castro with even worse defense.
RE: Here's what I think  
Ash_3 : 10/10/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 14117310 arniefez said:
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Cashman is going nowhere he's basically family at this point and the Yankees are a family run business.

Stanton is going nowhere. 9 more years probably 2000 more strikeouts. You would have thought after Arod the Yankees would know better but I guess not. I don't think any team would would take his contract if the Yankees put him on waivers which I'm not sure they could do since he has a full no trade.

The Yankees got nothing from Sanchez or Bird this year. Bird may not even be on the team going forward. Sanchez is one of their core players hopefully this year was just a bad dream. Is anyone sold on Voit as full time 1B going forward? He's another bad defender in an infield full of them except Didi.

They got a great unexpected regular season bat from Andujar. It remains to be seen if he learns how to be an elite hitter or he's just going to be a guy who puts up numbers over 162 games which is still very valuable. It remains to be seen if he can ever field well enough to stay at 3B. Do we think they can live with his historically bad defense for another year?

Torres disappointed me in some ways. Not that I expected a 21 year old to be fully developed at his age but his fielding wasn't good at all and he got away from being a hitter and tried to hit a HR on every pitch. Hopefully he doesn't go backward next year. He is one of their core players.

Sounds like they'll pick up Gardner's option and Ellsbury is still under contract. So they'll let McCutchen walk. Frazier will get a chance to make the team. Hicks, Judge & Stanton will all be back too.

The luxury tax has been reset so no more talk about Hal's money.

If I ran the Yankees I'd sign Manny to play 3B and trade Andujar for young pitchers plural. I'd sign Corbin. I'd resign CC. I'd resign Happ. I'd resign Britton & Robertson too

The way their offense is built to hit HR's and nothing else they're going to score a ton of regular season runs but they're also going to be wildly inconsistent. The pitching is going to have to be much more consistent and the starting pitching is going to have to be much better to win a World Series with this offense and defense.


Here's a blueprint on what not to do.

The Red Sox did not win because they're built like some small ball team. We have greater depth throughout the lineup. They won because in a small set of games they hit better than we did; there was largely no difference in fundamental philosophy.

Anyone who thinks Gleyber Torres was a disappointment this year has bizarre ideas on what to expect from their 2B. If Gleyber Torres literally had this year for the next 7-8 years and never progressed and played 145 games a year, we're talking about a multiple-time all star and one of the best offensive infielders of his generation. And that's WITHOUT any progression from a 21 year old.

Let's slow down.
RE: My wishful thinking line-up and rotation  
micky : 10/10/2018 9:36 am : link
In comment 14117241 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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CF - Hicks
RF - Judge
SS - Machado (F/A signing)
DH - Stanton
3B - Didi
2B - Torres
1B - Voit/NWalker
C - Wilson Ramos (F/A signing)
LF - Frazier/McCutch

SP
Jacob deGrom (ship Sanchez, Andujar and Monty to Mets)
Dallas Keuchel (F/A signing)
Tanaka
Happ (re-sign)
Severino


Lol!!!
Nice to see you posting Ash  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2018 9:38 am : link
And yeah, that post was just Randal bein' Randal. Whatever issues Torres had in the field were clearly mental in nature, likely from being a very young player in an unfamiliar position. He obviously has the tools to be a fine infielder.
RE: RE: the Stanton trade was bad???  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/10/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 14117311 Milton said:
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In comment 14117304 Greg from LI said:


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He traded suckass Starlin Castro and two longshot kids in the low minors for the reigning MVP. If you think that's a "bad" trade, then there's no reason to ever pay attention to anything you ever have to say in the future.

It's not about what was given up, it's about the guaranteed contract that still has ten years remaining on it. I'm not saying it was a bad trade, but it's worthy of debate.


Exactly, it was a horrendous contract to take on. Guy feasted on shitty NL pitching and is a choke artist.
who gives a shit about the contract?  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2018 9:41 am : link
The last thing I shed tears for is the Steinbrenners having to shell out money.
RE: Contact hitters and guys who work the count...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/10/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 14117309 Dunedin81 said:
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tend to be two separate things. Patient hitters work the count; contact hitters tend to swing early and are more apt to swing at a close pitch than take it. The Yankees have a number of guys who rank among the league leaders in pitches per AB. Judge is a very patient hitter, while Andujar is a contact hitter.


Thanks for the clarification.

I'm talking about guys who adjust their swings on difficult pitches to make sure they stay alive in a count. Yes, I want patient hitters who work the count, but I also don't think we need so many guys who swing their hardest every time.

I saw several hitters this postseason adjust their swing to make sure to stay alive, almost always fouling off the ball but staying alive. It seems like the Yankees don't do a lot of that.

I'm also wondering about how much losing Gary Denbo might have hurt us. Also, is Thames the right hitting coach? Seems like we did better with Cockrell.

I know I'm going to get slammed with responses of how many runs we produced and how we set the record for homers. I just think maybe with the talent we had perhaps we underperformed from a hitting perspective.
Thanks Greg.  
Ash_3 : 10/10/2018 9:44 am : link
The Stanton trade was obviously a heist talent wise. There really isn't an issue with the player as such, since he's likely a HOF-er. Criticism of the contract and how that might constrain our flexibility going forward (especially with luxury tax conscious management) is a valid concern.
RE: Thanks Greg.  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/10/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 14117334 Ash_3 said:
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The Stanton trade was obviously a heist talent wise. There really isn't an issue with the player as such, since he's likely a HOF-er. Criticism of the contract and how that might constrain our flexibility going forward (especially with luxury tax conscious management) is a valid concern.


Bingo, the “it’s not my money” argument is so stupid. It’s about the teams lack of ability to acquire other talent.
We're not entirely on the same page.  
Ash_3 : 10/10/2018 9:48 am : link
I don't think he "feasts" on "shitting pitching" or he's a "choke artist".
I think it's an overblown concern  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2018 9:52 am : link
Arod was 31 when the Yankees gave him the extension. Stanton is 28. And, ultimately, if they didn't make the deal, they likely miss the playoffs this year.
RE: RE: Contact hitters and guys who work the count...  
Dunedin81 : 10/10/2018 9:53 am : link
In comment 14117330 Dan in the Springs said:
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In comment 14117309 Dunedin81 said:


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tend to be two separate things. Patient hitters work the count; contact hitters tend to swing early and are more apt to swing at a close pitch than take it. The Yankees have a number of guys who rank among the league leaders in pitches per AB. Judge is a very patient hitter, while Andujar is a contact hitter.



Thanks for the clarification.

I'm talking about guys who adjust their swings on difficult pitches to make sure they stay alive in a count. Yes, I want patient hitters who work the count, but I also don't think we need so many guys who swing their hardest every time.

I saw several hitters this postseason adjust their swing to make sure to stay alive, almost always fouling off the ball but staying alive. It seems like the Yankees don't do a lot of that.

I'm also wondering about how much losing Gary Denbo might have hurt us. Also, is Thames the right hitting coach? Seems like we did better with Cockrell.

I know I'm going to get slammed with responses of how many runs we produced and how we set the record for homers. I just think maybe with the talent we had perhaps we underperformed from a hitting perspective.


I get what you're saying and I'm definitely not criticizing. Andujar and Torres will hopefully provide a little more of that dimension; they have different approaches, but neither would be confused for a three-outcome bat. Walker provided some of that too. Stanton and Judge aren't going anywhere and they certainly bring that dynamic, and this year Sanchez did too. But they may need to ensure that the people around them in the lineup are more complete hitters. It'll be interesting to see what sorts of smaller moves they make. They could bring back Cutch or Walker, even a Daniel Murphy, to be a 300-400 AB guy; a pinch hitter, injury insurance and a lineup change of pace. They could also make a move for Harper or Machado, they certainly have the money.
RE: who gives a shit about the contract?  
TheMick7 : 10/10/2018 9:53 am : link
In comment 14117329 Greg from LI said:
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The last thing I shed tears for is the Steinbrenners having to shell out money.


I agree 100% The problem is,Hal wants the payroll down. He's the reason Verlander isn't a Yankee & Sonny Gray is. Even the Stanton deal was Cashman promising a salary push when adding Stanton (Castro plus moving Headley w/Mitchell to Padres). I'm interested to see how this FA off season pans out. Yanks will be under so will Hal allow Cashman to pursue big name FAs w/o a money concerns or will he tell him he wants the Yankee salary at a certain number & it's up to Cashman to keep it there? Unfortunately,I think it's the latter so I think the big signing of the off season will be Corbin.
I want Robertson back  
Mr. Bungle : 10/10/2018 9:55 am : link
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There is a lot of hindsight involved with Verlander  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2018 9:58 am : link
At the time of the trade with Houston, Verlander was 10-8. 3.82, 4.07 FIP. Sonny Gray had much better numbers in Oakland and is seven years younger. There was absolutely no reason to think he'd magically rejuvenate himself in Houston.

I don't know how they do it, but Houston works miracles with pitchers.
RE: Thanks Greg.  
Dunedin81 : 10/10/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 14117334 Ash_3 said:
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The Stanton trade was obviously a heist talent wise. There really isn't an issue with the player as such, since he's likely a HOF-er. Criticism of the contract and how that might constrain our flexibility going forward (especially with luxury tax conscious management) is a valid concern.


Opportunity cost. Assuming a budget of around $200 mil going forward, and understanding that the currently cost-controlled guys like Sevy, Judge and Sanchez will eventually need to get paid, is committing that $22 mil or whatever of luxury tax money to Stanton a wise allocation of resources? I think over the next four or five years it will be, but it has the potential to go south quickly if he sustains an injury or if the bat speed slows such that .260-.280 becomes .210-.230.
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