this morning on NFL Radio on Sirius. They talked about how, after losing his job, he showed absolutely no interest in fighting to get his job back. He would stand on the sidelines, totally uninterested, chewing sunflower seeds.
They also talked about how the Giants (aka Reese/Ross etc.) basically sided with Flowers over well respected offensive line coaches such as Flaherty and Solari. Apparently, both tried to get through to Flowers that his technique was awful (dropping his head, grabbing) and Flowers steadfastly refused to alter his technique or change his approach. Flats and Flowers butted heads on numerous occasions. They basically said Flowers is a mental midget.
They suspect someone may take a flyer on him just as depth. They said it says a lot when a team that has OL issues or has had them is willing to cut ties with a player who was a no. 9 overall draft pick.
I think we gain on this strictly by not having him around. My son and I have been talking about this...that getting rid of him would send a message to the locker room and this was definitely a case of addition by subtraction.
Are we going to be confused with the best OL in football? No.
But at least we know the guys out there are competing.
I have said on many occasions, the Giants are the only team in the last 6 or so years that has not developed any OL. Every other NFL team has UDFA guys and late round picks who are serviceable. This is now 3 coaching staffs that have not done anything
He is not the 1st and will not be the last top 10 OL miss
Spot on!!
As the years went on, Reese took potential over production, size and strength over skills. Maybe it was easier (he got lazy?) to scout by looking size/speed aspect instead of digging in and finding football players.
I have said on many occasions, the Giants are the only team in the last 6 or so years that has not developed any OL. Every other NFL team has UDFA guys and late round picks who are serviceable. This is now 3 coaching staffs that have not done anything
He is not the 1st and will not be the last top 10 OL miss
Wait, you’re including the current staff 5 games in with one draft? And saying they will draft another bust in the top 10? Wtf?
We were desperate to get better in the Oline. They all reached.
It hasn't stopped BBI before so I expect the trend will continue.
We were desperate to get better in the Oline. They all reached.
From 2007 to 2017 Jerry Reese was in charge of drafting for the NY Football Giants. Today there are 9 Reese picks left on the active roster. I'm not sure on the shelf life of BJ Goodson or Z DeOssie either.
Yes there may have been group input on some picks but yes... It is all Reese.
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Coughlin definitely had input on our first round pick as well. John Mara has the tie breaker vote.
We were desperate to get better in the Oline. They all reached.
From 2007 to 2017 Jerry Reese was in charge of drafting for the NY Football Giants. Today there are 9 Reese picks left on the active roster. I'm not sure on the shelf life of BJ Goodson or Z DeOssie either.
Yes there may have been group input on some picks but yes... It is all Reese.
He had a hand in 2 Lombardi trophies as well!
We were desperate to get better in the Oline. They all reached.
Surely sounds like coaches who reported to TC didn't like Flowers.. I am not sure why TC would force Flowers on them if they didn't like him.. It sounds like a GM problem.. its his job to do the scouting and draft players.. yes others have input.. but others also have many other responsibilities.. Drafting and bringing in players was JR's main responsibility.. hence he gets most of the blame..
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And in the midst of the 7th season since the last one. What is record since?
In comment 14117239 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Coughlin definitely had input on our first round pick as well. John Mara has the tie breaker vote.
We were desperate to get better in the Oline. They all reached.
From 2007 to 2017 Jerry Reese was in charge of drafting for the NY Football Giants. Today there are 9 Reese picks left on the active roster. I'm not sure on the shelf life of BJ Goodson or Z DeOssie either.
Yes there may have been group input on some picks but yes... It is all Reese.
He had a hand in 2 Lombardi trophies as well!
Just ugly stuff going on behind the scenes with that previous regime after Coughlin was kicked out the door.
Why did he and the FO have more complete immunity than Jeff Fisher and his pedo moustache while the coaches and Eli were being thrown under the bus? Where did he come up with his Al Davis style roster buildimg that set this franchise back 10 years?
Okay, that lasted all of a few weeks or maybe a couple of months.
Guess it s only ok to share behind the scenes knowledge after a guy is no longer a Giant. Same about the Reese thing taking Flowers side over the coaches, pretty significant issue to only be hear of it now.
I expect this type of reporting from guys like Dottino, disappointed in Papa. I always felt he was a perspective we could trust.
The way people act here is as though he was forecast as a 4th rounder or something. Yes, it was a need pick, yes, it can be argued that it was a bad pick, but at the time, I recall this site being roughly 95% on board and STOKED.
It isn't like Flowers was a shocker, like Eli Apple. A sad day.
Guess it s only ok to share behind the scenes knowledge after a guy is no longer a Giant. Same about the Reese thing taking Flowers side over the coaches, pretty significant issue to only be hear of it now.
I expect this type of reporting from guys like Dottino, disappointed in Papa. I always felt he was a perspective we could trust.
I'd say they were defending him when it was warranted. As bad as flowers was, not everything was his fault. There were probably actual times when it looked his screw up, but in fact it was another player's mistake.
What exactly led them to decide we just need to dump this loser?
What exactly led them to decide we just need to dump this loser?
One possible factor is locker room negativity. The giants seem motivated to clean the team of negativity, rightfully so.
What exactly led them to decide we just need to dump this loser?
I'm guessing like Papa and David D pointed out it was his sour lazy attitude
The way people act here is as though he was forecast as a 4th rounder or something. Yes, it was a need pick, yes, it can be argued that it was a bad pick, but at the time, I recall this site being roughly 95% on board and STOKED.
It isn't like Flowers was a shocker, like Eli Apple. A sad day.
For some, as I recall, the toughest thing about it was that he was the pick while Todd Gurley was still on the board.
What exactly led them to decide we just need to dump this loser?
And they cut him on a short week!
p.s.--Who would've thought guys with names like Flowers and Hart would be such assholes?
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...included multiple media outlets. Unlike Eli Apple, NOBODY was shocked by the pick, particularly given how the draft fell. Yes, we knew there were technique issues, but he was VERY young and it was presumed he would be able to overcome his shortcomings.
The way people act here is as though he was forecast as a 4th rounder or something. Yes, it was a need pick, yes, it can be argued that it was a bad pick, but at the time, I recall this site being roughly 95% on board and STOKED.
It isn't like Flowers was a shocker, like Eli Apple. A sad day.
For some, as I recall, the toughest thing about it was that he was the pick while Todd Gurley was still on the board.
I think, AT THE TIME, many (most) here thought he might be damaged goods. As of now, they were obviously wrong
The year before they drafted Beckum and there were a lot of fans who wanted Aaron Donald or Zack Martin instead. Everyone was right on that one all 3 guys are great.
If you look at 2015 the year Flowers was drafted there are only 4 players drafted after him in rounds 1 & 2 that made a pro bowl. 2 RB's and 2 DB's one of which is Landon Collins.
The Giants drafted for need and didn't work out.
I was thrilled when Solari was hired but he too could not get anything out of Flowers. Solari was the OL coach for the great KC lines of the early 2000's. It is hard to defend a draft pick that refused to learn from two of the better and more respected OL coaches in the NFL. Fuck you Flowers.
Moreover, Reese stubbornly stood by his draft picks long after it was ascertained that they were floundering. In particular, Flowers was his most flagrant error that he continued to be insistent with (because of his big ego - i.e., Reese's implication that, "I don't make mistakes with draft choices" - also see Adrian Robinson, Mykkele Thompson & Jay Bromley among others).
Consequently, we are feeling the "Wrath of Reese", as Giants' fans. It will be at least two more years (if we're lucky and Gettleman sets the ship on the right course) before this franchise is securely turned around.
Similarly, there were chuckles around other teams' war rooms when the Giants drafted DT Jay Bromley with the 3rd Rd pick in 2015(?).
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Draft pundits, who don't interview prospects, rated him a late 1st round project. After interviewing him, we graded him a high 1st round pick. What's wrong with this picture?
Similarly, there were chuckles around other teams' war rooms when the Giants drafted DT Jay Bromley with the 3rd Rd pick in 2015(?).
sic: Bromley was drafted in 2014.
What exactly led them to decide we just need to dump this loser?
I would hedge a guess, his attitude or being indifferent.
You saw him just standing on the sidelines during games,
seemingly with no interest. I can only wonder how practice went with this guy, once he lost his job...
Lovie Smith was reportedly very high on Marvin Austin in the draft. He would have taken him if the Giants passed.
Maybe drafting is more akin to hitting in baseball. You're going to strike out a lot more often than you'll hit a home run.
Just like Robinson, Jernigan, etc.