I know there have been a few posts about teams who do/do not QBs, but I think as the season goes on - the numbers of teams looking for QBs will expand. I think the defenses in the NFL will start to catch up on the offenses and at least slow them down. Here are the teams to watch who might be looking for a QB.
1. Oakland Raiders - If Carr continues to struggle, Gruden will not hesitate to cut bait with them, and as I understand, they can get out of his god awful contract after this year. Gruden already parted away with their best player. He wont hesitate to get rid of Carr so he could groom his new QB. Will Grier seems like a typical Chucky QB.
2. Tennessee Titans - It looks like Marcus Mariota is the ultimate test for a GM. do you give him a 5th year and hope he can find it, or do you just cut bait now and look to start over. They should cut bait. He is oft injured and hasnt produced in over two years.
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Fitzmagic is over. Winston is a walking time bomb who has been sporadic for years. Agasin, does TB give him hsi 5th year and hope for a turnaround? Very risky, one they probably shouldnt do, but probably will.
4. Denver Broncos - Case Keenum is not, nor will he ever be the long term guy. Elway passed on franchise guys this draft. He wont do it again. I expect him to make a MAJOR push for Hebert.
5. Miami Dolphins - Tannehill is coming back to the norm. Just a guy who flashes at times but is not consistent. He may get one more year, but a successor has to be in the plans shortly.
6. Washington Redskins - Alex Smith looks close to being done. Not legitimate backup. Another situation where you may see a QB drafted and look to surplant Smith midway through next year.
7. San Diego Chargers - they have to find a successor sooner or later, right? Rivers is still playing at high level, but he is getting older and no young back up worth noting on the roster.
8. Jacksonville Jaguars - I hate to be them right now. Bortles flashes, but then become the biggest liability in the league. A team with SB aspiration needs better. I am not sure if their route is QB in the draft - but they need to do something before their window closes.
9. Dallas Cowboys - Listen, the truth is Dak is not good. HE is not going to turn that offense around anytime soon. He is going to look to get paid, and I hope Dallas does it. But if common sense reigns, they would just let him go somewhere else.
10. New York Giants - been talked about enough here. Eli is old. Lauletta is unproven. They will be in the mix.
I said it before the 18' draft as well. Big Darnold fan here.
They have Dobbs and Mason Rudolph. Less of a priority than other teams.
I do not see the Raiders, Bucs, Cowboys or Redskins moving on from their current QBs.
Titans maybe.
Depends how Denver's season goes with Keenum.
New Orleans didnt trade for Bridgewater to let him go after this year. And Payton is ENAMORED with Hill as well.
I do not see the Raiders, Bucs, Cowboys or Redskins moving on from their current QBs.
Titans maybe.
Depends how Denver's season goes with Keenum.
Carr has looked awful and is already butting with Gruden.
The other teams you mention are dealign with QBs who are either average or ending their rookie deals. Those Qbs have not showed what it takes to demand Long term deals.
And Keenum sucks.
re: Jags - I think they should make a move for Carr this offseason (though they probably stick with Bortles in 2019). Carr may not be a top 10 guy, but he's much better than Bortles and that D is championship caliber.
re: Skins - doubt they go QB in round 1. They're stuck with Smith next year (he'd cost $36M if cut) and probably the starter for 2020 as well.
re: Cowboys - I'm hoping Garrett gets most the blame and Dak does enough to get at least a Case Keenum level contract, but unfortunately I don't think Stephen Jones is as dumb as his dad.
The guy who may get recycled is Carr. Due to his past success and someone taking a chance on him (Jacksonville should be that team). But a lot of teams need a restart. I can see Denver and Oakland being very active in getting a QB in the draft.
OL, OL, OL!
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with that happening not all of the teams are going to be looking to draft a QB, unless they fall into their lap.
The guy who may get recycled is Carr. Due to his past success and someone taking a chance on him (Jacksonville should be that team). But a lot of teams need a restart. I can see Denver and Oakland being very active in getting a QB in the draft.
Everyone (myself included) expected Denver to be active this year, especially sitting at #5, but they passed on 2 (Rosen/Allen) of the media's big 3 (most had Mayfield ranked 4th) and didn't seem all that eager to move up either.
I think OAK will be very aggressive looking for a QB in next year's draft unless Carr looks strong down the stretch this season.
Unfortunately their fans are starting to realize he sucks too, which will put more pressure on the FO to let him go.
Carr probably gets starters money >$20M+ (maybe even $25M+) from someone if he hits the open market.
Keenum, Bortles, Bridgewater all probably get deals in the $10-15M+ range as stop gaps.
I want no part of Mariota.
OL, OL, OL!
Yes spot on as usual Doc!
IMO it gets down to how we look when we finish the season. If the OL is improving then I think I would grab a QB in Rd 1 if the right guy was there when we draft. If not, then I'd likely grab a "cant miss type" OL player, or CB
IMO it gets down to how we look when we finish the season. If the OL is improving then I think I would grab a QB in Rd 1 if the right guy was there when we draft. If not, then I'd likely grab a "cant miss type" OL player, or CB
Agreed, Draft Justin Herbert, sign either Ja'Wuan James or Donovan Smith for RT, and draft a guard in rounds 2-3. That would move Wheeler back to the swing tackle role. Evan Brown, Greco, and Halapio could compete for the starting center role.
OL, OL, OL!
While no one will argue that the OL needs some serious upgrades, If we are drafting in the top 10 I want to see this team draft the QB of the future even if it means a costly trade up. In my opinion Eli should not be this teams QB in his 40's.
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into his 40s, at least another 3-4 years if he cares to, imo. There’s nothing wrong with him physically and he’s got great tools to work with. Then there’s Lauletta whom Shurmur might be quite high on..
OL, OL, OL!
While no one will argue that the OL needs some serious upgrades, If we are drafting in the top 10 I want to see this team draft the QB of the future even if it means a costly trade up. In my opinion Eli should not be this teams QB in his 40's.
If there is a franchiser available, sure
OL, OL, OL!
Yikes. Do you see some of throws Eli is missing where he does have time? And you're saying you want him around for 4 more years? I know you're pretty optimistic and even keeled around here, but oh man do we disagree. I do however, hope you're right. I just don't think that's the case.
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into his 40s, at least another 3-4 years if he cares to, imo. There’s nothing wrong with him physically and he’s got great tools to work with. Then there’s Lauletta whom Shurmur might be quite high on..
OL, OL, OL!
Yikes. Do you see some of throws Eli is missing where he does have time? And you're saying you want him around for 4 more years? I know you're pretty optimistic and even keeled around here, but oh man do we disagree. I do however, hope you're right. I just don't think that's the case.
Give him time to get on the same page with his receivers in this new O. This is is 3rd OC. Even Rodgers has had McCarthy his entire career.
He’s always missed makea le throws. In watching the coach’s tape on Game Pass, he doesn’t look all that different to me. His Ol is improving, but until he has full confidence in them, his timing could be affected.
Many will agree with you. I don’t at this point in time. 😎
OL, OL, OL!
Gotta say I think this may be true although Eli drives me crazy with the pics and lack of mobility. Give him solid protection things could be different and Shurmur and Gettlemen will stick with him with Lauletta waiting in the wings. OL,OL,OL is where they'll concentrate as Doc said.
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New Orleans Pittsburgh and New England
New Orleans didnt trade for Bridgewater to let him go after this year. And Payton is ENAMORED with Hill as well.
They won’t be able to keep him. They can’t pay him starter money plus he WILL go where he has a legit chance to get the starting job in 19
Underperforming is 1 thing.
Constantly hurt AND underperforming is another.
Well a "franchise QB contract" is now >$25M. So you would pay Mariota $20M per (e.g. Bortles)?
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I'm not an enormous fan of his, but I like his mobility and ability to extend plays. At a sub-franchise QB contract he could make sense in this offense. Put him in a backfield with Barkley and we have a lot of options that we don't currently have.
Well a "franchise QB contract" is now >$25M. So you would pay Mariota $20M per (e.g. Bortles)?
I would not. If he wants a "trying to resurrect my career" $10M per, I'd be fine with that. But before giving him a big contract I'd just draft a mobile rookie.
Recent QB deals:
Bradford: $20M per (still swindling teams!)
Keenum: $18M per for 2 years
Bortles: $18M per for 3 years (up to $66M with incentives)
Foles: >$15M per for 2 years
Josh KcCown: $10M
Tyrod Taylor: $16M
Bridgewater: $6M after playing 1 game in 2 years
And you somehow think you could get Mariota for only $10M?
Recent QB deals:
Bradford: $20M per (still swindling teams!)
Keenum: $18M per for 2 years
Bortles: $18M per for 3 years (up to $66M with incentives)
Foles: >$15M per for 2 years
Josh KcCown: $10M
Tyrod Taylor: $16M
Bridgewater: $6M after playing 1 game in 2 years
And you somehow think you could get Mariota for only $10M?
Yeah, I would. With the exception of the Bridgewater deal those are all bad contracts. Why would we repeat those mistakes?
And I agree that all those QBs are (massively) overpaid.
Especially Bortles. Jags would've been better off gambling on Bridgewater while either beefing up their D (e.g. Butler, Sherman, Poe, Johnson, etc) or adding more talent to the OL or skill areas.
That and the Bradford deal (WTF do teams keep paying him?)
Overpaying to keep up with the market is how we ended up paying guys like Vernon much more than they actually are worth.
So your plan is basically to have only players on rookie deals or those willing to take below market deals (i.e. typically players on the decline)?
So your plan is basically to have only players on rookie deals or those willing to take below market deals (i.e. typically players on the decline)?
And pay those guys that come available AND are top players. For example, I would have strongly considered pursuing a trade for Mack (and paying him with what was essentially the money we gave Beckham). And I really advocated for acquiring Bridgewater in the offseason. Great, great value.
The market is out of whack, and many of the guys getting paid what they are in FA aren't worth it. A+ money for B players.
Btw, that's ~30% more per season than Beckham is earning.
I get he deserves this season and probably next. But chasing past glory is no way to build a franchise.
When you see athletic plays being made all around be the league from young mobile quarterbacks, how can anyone believe that Giants are best served with Eli into his 40 s?
Btw, that's ~30% more per season than Beckham is earning.
Mack is a better player than Beckham at a more important position - worth the 30%. The cost of acquiring Mack could have been offset by trading Beckham.
The critical part of my plan would be not paying the inflated franchise QB price. Mack is enormously paid because he's one of the best players in the league. He's still paid less than non-elite players that get the inflated QB premium: Garoppolo, Stafford, Carr, Flacco, Cousins all make more than Mack.
Paying Mack $23M is good. Paying Stafford $26M is not.
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then you're not 'overpaying'.
So your plan is basically to have only players on rookie deals or those willing to take below market deals (i.e. typically players on the decline)?
And pay those guys that come available AND are top players. For example, I would have strongly considered pursuing a trade for Mack (and paying him with what was essentially the money we gave Beckham). And I really advocated for acquiring Bridgewater in the offseason. Great, great value.
The market is out of whack, and many of the guys getting paid what they are in FA aren't worth it. A+ money for B players.
The Bridgewater thing I would have totally been on board with. But I also think if you do that, you have to pay Odell. Odell is "quietly" having a pretty damn good season and we don't know what Bridgewater is yet since the injury.
Oh please no.
I get he deserves this season and probably next. But chasing past glory is no way to build a franchise.
When you see athletic plays being made all around be the league from young mobile quarterbacks, how can anyone believe that Giants are best served with Eli into his 40 s?
Joe, if he falls off a cliff after next season, then sure, he would need to retire. I don’t bother with the age of athletes like I used to, as they are, generally speaking, in much better shape. I see Eli as being physically sound, with a still quite viable arm to go with his smarts. I don’t concern myself with his age per se
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Unless you mean trading 2 first round picks and $23M for him. Where are you going to get all this young, cost-controlled talent from, which is central to your plan, if you trade multiple first round picks away?
Btw, that's ~30% more per season than Beckham is earning.
Mack is a better player than Beckham at a more important position - worth the 30%. The cost of acquiring Mack could have been offset by trading Beckham.
The critical part of my plan would be not paying the inflated franchise QB price. Mack is enormously paid because he's one of the best players in the league. He's still paid less than non-elite players that get the inflated QB premium: Garoppolo, Stafford, Carr, Flacco, Cousins all make more than Mack.
Paying Mack $23M is good. Paying Stafford $26M is not.
I get that you don't like OBJ, but I don't get how you can assert that Mack is better than OBJ at his position. Both Mack and OBJ are among the top 5 in the NFL at their position.
The Giants had terrible drafts for years, and it will take time to rebuild through the draft. That includes OL and players that can rush the passer. Chase Winovich would be a nice addition at the OLB spot, though I'm not sure what his draft projection would be.
We're 1-4 and Beckham's giving interviews knocking his QB and the weather in NY while sitting next to a shitty rapper that "still fucks with Eli".
Not in the same class.
3-13
7-9
12-4 (one-and-done in the playoffs)
6-10
Here were the Giants' records with Beckham on the roster:
6-10
6-10
11-5 (one-and-done in the playoffs)
3-13
For all intents and purposes, the same. But Mack is a winner (at a more important position), and Beckham is a loser. Got it.
For example, teams like Tampa or Tenn may be okay with giving a guy like Winston or Mariota even if they fall in love with someone like Herbert. However, if Herbert falls within their range they can easily still move up to grab him.
So to analyze who might be in the market you need to assess how far would a team be willing to move for their QB.
If the NYG love a QB enough, I could see them giving up several picks to get one, just like they did with Eli. They won't have to have the first overall, they just have to be close enough and in love enough to be willing to do it.
I don't think Herbert gets out of the top five, but it is early still. Who knows.
The NYG might still make the playoffs this year given the division. #1 is also not out of the question.
This conversation will be a lot more interesting after the draft order is established.
I agree with this take - if he ends up on the scrap heap he seems exactly like the type of player that Shurmur could do something with.
And as valuable as a #1 pick is, a cheap vet QB who is coached up properly can be more valuable than a #1 pick who needs a couple years of coaching to get to (hopefully) the level of a franchise QB.
Another way of saying that is that whoever we might be looking at could possibly be the next Mariota. Is it better to take him high, or to sign him in FA to a reasonable contract?
We're 1-4 and Beckham's giving interviews knocking his QB and the weather in NY while sitting next to a shitty rapper that "still fucks with Eli".
Not in the same class.
Mack was joining a team with a stacked defense. Yes he's great but that D was already stout.
OBJ is the fifth leading receiver in the NFL on a team that couldn't draft OL for years.
Not saying Mack isn't a great player but OBJ is a great player as well. And in my opinion trading two first round picks is too high a price for anyone. Especially for a team like the Giants that badly needs young talent on the OL.
Then maybe Donuts Dave will fall in love with a run stuffing middle linebacker who reminds him of Dick Butkus and tell us that running the ball and stopping the run are the most important parts of the game.
And the homers will tell us how you can't pass on that talent. And we will be slightly better at stopping the run. And our quarterback will continue to either check down or fall down on every snap. And despite our skill position talent, our offense will remain inept. And maybe we'll get lucky and get another high pick the following year. And maybe draft a qb who will take a year or two to develop. And our LT will be old and we'll have wasted more years of our skill players primes....
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into his 40s, at least another 3-4 years if he cares to, imo. There’s nothing wrong with him physically and he’s got great tools to work with. Then there’s Lauletta whom Shurmur might be quite high on..
OL, OL, OL!
While no one will argue that the OL needs some serious upgrades, If we are drafting in the top 10 I want to see this team draft the QB of the future even if it means a costly trade up. In my opinion Eli should not be this teams QB in his 40's.
If we are in the top 10, Jonas Williams. If we are top 5, Nick Bosa.
This is going to mess up our draft pick though and make it harder in the future to get a QB
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I'm not an enormous fan of his, but I like his mobility and ability to extend plays. At a sub-franchise QB contract he could make sense in this offense. Put him in a backfield with Barkley and we have a lot of options that we don't currently have.
I agree with this take - if he ends up on the scrap heap he seems exactly like the type of player that Shurmur could do something with.
And as valuable as a #1 pick is, a cheap vet QB who is coached up properly can be more valuable than a #1 pick who needs a couple years of coaching to get to (hopefully) the level of a franchise QB.
Another way of saying that is that whoever we might be looking at could possibly be the next Mariota. Is it better to take him high, or to sign him in FA to a reasonable contract?
This - we could easily end up with a Mariota at QB and save cash. Mariota isn't a bad QB. He isn't great either though.
I like Mariota and it’s not true that he’s done nothing for two years. Guy won a playoff game in KC last season. He hasn’t been proflifc but he’s been a professional and he’s got upside.
But wherever he goes he will get paid a massive contract. He’s an nfl starting Qb.