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Teams who will need QBs after this year

dep026 : 10/10/2018 10:32 am
I know there have been a few posts about teams who do/do not QBs, but I think as the season goes on - the numbers of teams looking for QBs will expand. I think the defenses in the NFL will start to catch up on the offenses and at least slow them down. Here are the teams to watch who might be looking for a QB.

1. Oakland Raiders - If Carr continues to struggle, Gruden will not hesitate to cut bait with them, and as I understand, they can get out of his god awful contract after this year. Gruden already parted away with their best player. He wont hesitate to get rid of Carr so he could groom his new QB. Will Grier seems like a typical Chucky QB.

2. Tennessee Titans - It looks like Marcus Mariota is the ultimate test for a GM. do you give him a 5th year and hope he can find it, or do you just cut bait now and look to start over. They should cut bait. He is oft injured and hasnt produced in over two years.

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Fitzmagic is over. Winston is a walking time bomb who has been sporadic for years. Agasin, does TB give him hsi 5th year and hope for a turnaround? Very risky, one they probably shouldnt do, but probably will.

4. Denver Broncos - Case Keenum is not, nor will he ever be the long term guy. Elway passed on franchise guys this draft. He wont do it again. I expect him to make a MAJOR push for Hebert.

5. Miami Dolphins - Tannehill is coming back to the norm. Just a guy who flashes at times but is not consistent. He may get one more year, but a successor has to be in the plans shortly.

6. Washington Redskins - Alex Smith looks close to being done. Not legitimate backup. Another situation where you may see a QB drafted and look to surplant Smith midway through next year.

7. San Diego Chargers - they have to find a successor sooner or later, right? Rivers is still playing at high level, but he is getting older and no young back up worth noting on the roster.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars - I hate to be them right now. Bortles flashes, but then become the biggest liability in the league. A team with SB aspiration needs better. I am not sure if their route is QB in the draft - but they need to do something before their window closes.

9. Dallas Cowboys - Listen, the truth is Dak is not good. HE is not going to turn that offense around anytime soon. He is going to look to get paid, and I hope Dallas does it. But if common sense reigns, they would just let him go somewhere else.

10. New York Giants - been talked about enough here. Eli is old. Lauletta is unproven. They will be in the mix.
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Et tu, Dep?  
Anakim : 10/10/2018 10:33 am : link
There goes Eli's last line of defense
Don't forget the Steelers  
Anakim : 10/10/2018 10:34 am : link
With Ben "This is the Year I may Actually Retire" Roethlisberger
RE: Et tu, Dep?  
dep026 : 10/10/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 14117409 Anakim said:
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There goes Eli's last line of defense


I said it before the 18' draft as well. Big Darnold fan here.
You can add the geriatric crowd  
Chip : 10/10/2018 10:36 am : link
New Orleans Pittsburgh and New England
RE: Don't forget the Steelers  
dep026 : 10/10/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 14117411 Anakim said:
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With Ben "This is the Year I may Actually Retire" Roethlisberger


They have Dobbs and Mason Rudolph. Less of a priority than other teams.
I think some of the teams you mention  
Chris684 : 10/10/2018 10:36 am : link
are very questionable.

I do not see the Raiders, Bucs, Cowboys or Redskins moving on from their current QBs.

Titans maybe.

Depends how Denver's season goes with Keenum.
RE: You can add the geriatric crowd  
dep026 : 10/10/2018 10:37 am : link
In comment 14117416 Chip said:
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New Orleans Pittsburgh and New England


New Orleans didnt trade for Bridgewater to let him go after this year. And Payton is ENAMORED with Hill as well.
RE: I think some of the teams you mention  
dep026 : 10/10/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 14117420 Chris684 said:
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are very questionable.

I do not see the Raiders, Bucs, Cowboys or Redskins moving on from their current QBs.

Titans maybe.

Depends how Denver's season goes with Keenum.


Carr has looked awful and is already butting with Gruden.
The other teams you mention are dealign with QBs who are either average or ending their rookie deals. Those Qbs have not showed what it takes to demand Long term deals.

And Keenum sucks.
Some of those guys are going to get recycled on other teams  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/10/2018 10:42 am : link
with that happening not all of the teams are going to be looking to draft a QB, unless they fall into their lap.

my thoughts  
giants#1 : 10/10/2018 10:44 am : link
The fact the Broncos chose to go with Case Keenum instead of drafting one this past April lends credence to my belief that NFL front offices didn't hold this class in as high regard as the pundits, especially after Mayfield and maybe Darnold.

re: Jags - I think they should make a move for Carr this offseason (though they probably stick with Bortles in 2019). Carr may not be a top 10 guy, but he's much better than Bortles and that D is championship caliber.

re: Skins - doubt they go QB in round 1. They're stuck with Smith next year (he'd cost $36M if cut) and probably the starter for 2020 as well.

re: Cowboys - I'm hoping Garrett gets most the blame and Dak does enough to get at least a Case Keenum level contract, but unfortunately I don't think Stephen Jones is as dumb as his dad.
RE: Some of those guys are going to get recycled on other teams  
dep026 : 10/10/2018 10:44 am : link
In comment 14117432 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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with that happening not all of the teams are going to be looking to draft a QB, unless they fall into their lap.


The guy who may get recycled is Carr. Due to his past success and someone taking a chance on him (Jacksonville should be that team). But a lot of teams need a restart. I can see Denver and Oakland being very active in getting a QB in the draft.
Fix the OL and Eli will play effectively  
Big Blue '56 : 10/10/2018 10:45 am : link
into his 40s, at least another 3-4 years if he cares to, imo. There’s nothing wrong with him physically and he’s got great tools to work with. Then there’s Lauletta whom Shurmur might be quite high on..

OL, OL, OL!
RE: RE: Some of those guys are going to get recycled on other teams  
giants#1 : 10/10/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 14117436 dep026 said:
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In comment 14117432 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:


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with that happening not all of the teams are going to be looking to draft a QB, unless they fall into their lap.




The guy who may get recycled is Carr. Due to his past success and someone taking a chance on him (Jacksonville should be that team). But a lot of teams need a restart. I can see Denver and Oakland being very active in getting a QB in the draft.


Everyone (myself included) expected Denver to be active this year, especially sitting at #5, but they passed on 2 (Rosen/Allen) of the media's big 3 (most had Mayfield ranked 4th) and didn't seem all that eager to move up either.

I think OAK will be very aggressive looking for a QB in next year's draft unless Carr looks strong down the stretch this season.
We all know Dak sucks,  
Keith : 10/10/2018 10:47 am : link
but I don't think Dallas would admit that. I don't see them looking for a QB. Lotta pride in that FO too.
RE: We all know Dak sucks,  
giants#1 : 10/10/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 14117451 Keith said:
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but I don't think Dallas would admit that. I don't see them looking for a QB. Lotta pride in that FO too.


Unfortunately their fans are starting to realize he sucks too, which will put more pressure on the FO to let him go.
Would any current QB entice anyone if shaken loose?  
Sean : 10/10/2018 10:52 am : link
Derek Carr comes to mind.
RE: Would any current QB entice anyone if shaken loose?  
giants#1 : 10/10/2018 10:56 am : link
In comment 14117457 Sean said:
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Derek Carr comes to mind.


Carr probably gets starters money >$20M+ (maybe even $25M+) from someone if he hits the open market.

Keenum, Bortles, Bridgewater all probably get deals in the $10-15M+ range as stop gaps.
Elway doesn't seem like the type to cut bait that quickly  
jcn56 : 10/10/2018 10:56 am : link
on Keenum. The rest, Carr in particular, make sense.
Carr and Mariota have been hurt.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/10/2018 10:57 am : link
Sometimes it takes awhile to reclaim the sealegs. Now if there are mental issues involved, that’s another story entirely. If not, I would not be depressed if either were on our roster
RE: Carr and Mariota have been hurt.  
dep026 : 10/10/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 14117468 Big Blue '56 said:
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Sometimes it takes awhile to reclaim the sealegs. Now if there are mental issues involved, that’s another story entirely. If not, I would not be depressed if either were on our roster


I want no part of Mariota.
RE: Fix the OL and Eli will play effectively  
JCin332 : 10/10/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 14117442 Big Blue '56 said:
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into his 40s, at least another 3-4 years if he cares to, imo. There’s nothing wrong with him physically and he’s got great tools to work with. Then there’s Lauletta whom Shurmur might be quite high on..

OL, OL, OL!


Yes spot on as usual Doc!
Drafting a QB, if we did, has zero to do with Eli next year  
PatersonPlank : 10/10/2018 11:02 am : link
Any QB drafted would be targeted to play in 2020 or 2021.

IMO it gets down to how we look when we finish the season. If the OL is improving then I think I would grab a QB in Rd 1 if the right guy was there when we draft. If not, then I'd likely grab a "cant miss type" OL player, or CB
RE: Drafting a QB, if we did, has zero to do with Eli next year  
Jay on the Island : 10/10/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 14117476 PatersonPlank said:
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Any QB drafted would be targeted to play in 2020 or 2021.

IMO it gets down to how we look when we finish the season. If the OL is improving then I think I would grab a QB in Rd 1 if the right guy was there when we draft. If not, then I'd likely grab a "cant miss type" OL player, or CB

Agreed, Draft Justin Herbert, sign either Ja'Wuan James or Donovan Smith for RT, and draft a guard in rounds 2-3. That would move Wheeler back to the swing tackle role. Evan Brown, Greco, and Halapio could compete for the starting center role.
RE: Fix the OL and Eli will play effectively  
JFIB : 10/10/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 14117442 Big Blue '56 said:
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into his 40s, at least another 3-4 years if he cares to, imo. There’s nothing wrong with him physically and he’s got great tools to work with. Then there’s Lauletta whom Shurmur might be quite high on..

OL, OL, OL!


While no one will argue that the OL needs some serious upgrades, If we are drafting in the top 10 I want to see this team draft the QB of the future even if it means a costly trade up. In my opinion Eli should not be this teams QB in his 40's.
RE: RE: Fix the OL and Eli will play effectively  
Big Blue '56 : 10/10/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 14117498 JFIB said:
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In comment 14117442 Big Blue '56 said:


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into his 40s, at least another 3-4 years if he cares to, imo. There’s nothing wrong with him physically and he’s got great tools to work with. Then there’s Lauletta whom Shurmur might be quite high on..

OL, OL, OL!



While no one will argue that the OL needs some serious upgrades, If we are drafting in the top 10 I want to see this team draft the QB of the future even if it means a costly trade up. In my opinion Eli should not be this teams QB in his 40's.


If there is a franchiser available, sure
RE: Fix the OL and Eli will play effectively  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/10/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 14117442 Big Blue '56 said:
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into his 40s, at least another 3-4 years if he cares to, imo. There’s nothing wrong with him physically and he’s got great tools to work with. Then there’s Lauletta whom Shurmur might be quite high on..

OL, OL, OL!


Yikes. Do you see some of throws Eli is missing where he does have time? And you're saying you want him around for 4 more years? I know you're pretty optimistic and even keeled around here, but oh man do we disagree. I do however, hope you're right. I just don't think that's the case.
Curious what Baltimore is thinking  
fanofthejets : 10/10/2018 11:40 am : link
You have average Joe and Lamar Jackson. Jackson I don't think will ever be an NFL starter. Flacco is kind of middling. I don't think their QB of the future is on that roster right now
RE: RE: Fix the OL and Eli will play effectively  
Big Blue '56 : 10/10/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 14117507 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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In comment 14117442 Big Blue '56 said:


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into his 40s, at least another 3-4 years if he cares to, imo. There’s nothing wrong with him physically and he’s got great tools to work with. Then there’s Lauletta whom Shurmur might be quite high on..

OL, OL, OL!



Yikes. Do you see some of throws Eli is missing where he does have time? And you're saying you want him around for 4 more years? I know you're pretty optimistic and even keeled around here, but oh man do we disagree. I do however, hope you're right. I just don't think that's the case.


Give him time to get on the same page with his receivers in this new O. This is is 3rd OC. Even Rodgers has had McCarthy his entire career.

He’s always missed makea le throws. In watching the coach’s tape on Game Pass, he doesn’t look all that different to me. His Ol is improving, but until he has full confidence in them, his timing could be affected.

Many will agree with you. I don’t at this point in time. 😎
ma ele=makeable  
Big Blue '56 : 10/10/2018 11:51 am : link
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RE: Fix the OL and Eli will play effectively  
Blue21 : 10/10/2018 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14117442 Big Blue '56 said:
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into his 40s, at least another 3-4 years if he cares to, imo. There’s nothing wrong with him physically and he’s got great tools to work with. Then there’s Lauletta whom Shurmur might be quite high on..

OL, OL, OL!


Gotta say I think this may be true although Eli drives me crazy with the pics and lack of mobility. Give him solid protection things could be different and Shurmur and Gettlemen will stick with him with Lauletta waiting in the wings. OL,OL,OL is where they'll concentrate as Doc said.
RE: RE: You can add the geriatric crowd  
eli4life : 10/10/2018 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14117421 dep026 said:
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New Orleans Pittsburgh and New England



New Orleans didnt trade for Bridgewater to let him go after this year. And Payton is ENAMORED with Hill as well.


They won’t be able to keep him. They can’t pay him starter money plus he WILL go where he has a legit chance to get the starting job in 19
Mariota's had some bad coaching and a poor supporting cast  
Go Terps : 10/10/2018 12:10 pm : link
I'm not an enormous fan of his, but I like his mobility and ability to extend plays. At a sub-franchise QB contract he could make sense in this offense. Put him in a backfield with Barkley and we have a lot of options that we don't currently have.
RE: Mariota's had some bad coaching and a poor supporting cast  
dep026 : 10/10/2018 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14117595 Go Terps said:
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I'm not an enormous fan of his, but I like his mobility and ability to extend plays. At a sub-franchise QB contract he could make sense in this offense. Put him in a backfield with Barkley and we have a lot of options that we don't currently have.


Underperforming is 1 thing.
Constantly hurt AND underperforming is another.
Yeah, I feel the same way about Mariota.  
bceagle05 : 10/10/2018 12:13 pm : link
Don't love him, but you could win with him. Change of scenery would probably do him good, especially if it comes with Beckham and Barkley.
if you think Eli  
larryinnewhaven : 10/10/2018 12:29 pm : link
makes bad throws and decisions Marriotta will not be your cup of tes.
RE: Mariota's had some bad coaching and a poor supporting cast  
giants#1 : 10/10/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14117595 Go Terps said:
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I'm not an enormous fan of his, but I like his mobility and ability to extend plays. At a sub-franchise QB contract he could make sense in this offense. Put him in a backfield with Barkley and we have a lot of options that we don't currently have.


Well a "franchise QB contract" is now >$25M. So you would pay Mariota $20M per (e.g. Bortles)?
BB'56  
fkap : 10/10/2018 12:37 pm : link
I'm sorta with you on Eli. If we can provide him with protection (which we'll need to do for any QB we field), and IF he can regain his confidence, he is a QB we can win with for a couple of years. Not the greatest, but we would NOT have to be desperate for a QB.
RE: RE: Mariota's had some bad coaching and a poor supporting cast  
Go Terps : 10/10/2018 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14117628 giants#1 said:
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I'm not an enormous fan of his, but I like his mobility and ability to extend plays. At a sub-franchise QB contract he could make sense in this offense. Put him in a backfield with Barkley and we have a lot of options that we don't currently have.



Well a "franchise QB contract" is now >$25M. So you would pay Mariota $20M per (e.g. Bortles)?


I would not. If he wants a "trying to resurrect my career" $10M per, I'd be fine with that. But before giving him a big contract I'd just draft a mobile rookie.
Figure out who the QB Whisperer thinks he can rebuild. He will be the  
Ivan15 : 10/10/2018 12:43 pm : link
next starting QB, if they don’t take a shot at the 2019 draft, or maybe even if they do.
so basically you would only sign him  
giants#1 : 10/10/2018 12:48 pm : link
for a well below market value deal. Brilliant!

Recent QB deals:
Bradford: $20M per (still swindling teams!)
Keenum: $18M per for 2 years
Bortles: $18M per for 3 years (up to $66M with incentives)
Foles: >$15M per for 2 years
Josh KcCown: $10M
Tyrod Taylor: $16M
Bridgewater: $6M after playing 1 game in 2 years

And you somehow think you could get Mariota for only $10M?
RE: so basically you would only sign him  
Go Terps : 10/10/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14117649 giants#1 said:
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for a well below market value deal. Brilliant!

Recent QB deals:
Bradford: $20M per (still swindling teams!)
Keenum: $18M per for 2 years
Bortles: $18M per for 3 years (up to $66M with incentives)
Foles: >$15M per for 2 years
Josh KcCown: $10M
Tyrod Taylor: $16M
Bridgewater: $6M after playing 1 game in 2 years

And you somehow think you could get Mariota for only $10M?


Yeah, I would. With the exception of the Bridgewater deal those are all bad contracts. Why would we repeat those mistakes?
not sure I follow  
giants#1 : 10/10/2018 1:17 pm : link
Every team would take Mariota for $10M. That's the flaw in your plan...you're not going to get him for anything close to that.

And I agree that all those QBs are (massively) overpaid.

Especially Bortles. Jags would've been better off gambling on Bridgewater while either beefing up their D (e.g. Butler, Sherman, Poe, Johnson, etc) or adding more talent to the OL or skill areas.

That and the Bradford deal (WTF do teams keep paying him?)
Then I wouldn't be interested in signing him  
Go Terps : 10/10/2018 1:20 pm : link
Part of our problem is this feeling that we have to overpay free agents. A good manager is going to be willing to say, "no thanks" and explore other options.

Overpaying to keep up with the market is how we ended up paying guys like Vernon much more than they actually are worth.
if you're 'keeping up with the market'  
giants#1 : 10/10/2018 1:26 pm : link
then you're not 'overpaying'.

So your plan is basically to have only players on rookie deals or those willing to take below market deals (i.e. typically players on the decline)?
RE: if you're 'keeping up with the market'  
Go Terps : 10/10/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14117695 giants#1 said:
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then you're not 'overpaying'.

So your plan is basically to have only players on rookie deals or those willing to take below market deals (i.e. typically players on the decline)?


And pay those guys that come available AND are top players. For example, I would have strongly considered pursuing a trade for Mack (and paying him with what was essentially the money we gave Beckham). And I really advocated for acquiring Bridgewater in the offseason. Great, great value.

The market is out of whack, and many of the guys getting paid what they are in FA aren't worth it. A+ money for B players.
players of Mack's ability don't become available  
giants#1 : 10/10/2018 1:42 pm : link
Unless you mean trading 2 first round picks and $23M for him. Where are you going to get all this young, cost-controlled talent from, which is central to your plan, if you trade multiple first round picks away?

Btw, that's ~30% more per season than Beckham is earning.
It s hard to agree with a POV  
joeinpa : 10/10/2018 1:47 pm : link
Stating Giants should go forward with Eli for 3 or 4 more years.

I get he deserves this season and probably next. But chasing past glory is no way to build a franchise.

When you see athletic plays being made all around be the league from young mobile quarterbacks, how can anyone believe that Giants are best served with Eli into his 40 s?
RE: players of Mack's ability don't become available  
Go Terps : 10/10/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14117719 giants#1 said:
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Unless you mean trading 2 first round picks and $23M for him. Where are you going to get all this young, cost-controlled talent from, which is central to your plan, if you trade multiple first round picks away?

Btw, that's ~30% more per season than Beckham is earning.


Mack is a better player than Beckham at a more important position - worth the 30%. The cost of acquiring Mack could have been offset by trading Beckham.

The critical part of my plan would be not paying the inflated franchise QB price. Mack is enormously paid because he's one of the best players in the league. He's still paid less than non-elite players that get the inflated QB premium: Garoppolo, Stafford, Carr, Flacco, Cousins all make more than Mack.

Paying Mack $23M is good. Paying Stafford $26M is not.
RE: RE: if you're 'keeping up with the market'  
chopperhatch : 10/10/2018 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14117710 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14117695 giants#1 said:


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then you're not 'overpaying'.

So your plan is basically to have only players on rookie deals or those willing to take below market deals (i.e. typically players on the decline)?



And pay those guys that come available AND are top players. For example, I would have strongly considered pursuing a trade for Mack (and paying him with what was essentially the money we gave Beckham). And I really advocated for acquiring Bridgewater in the offseason. Great, great value.

The market is out of whack, and many of the guys getting paid what they are in FA aren't worth it. A+ money for B players.


The Bridgewater thing I would have totally been on board with. But I also think if you do that, you have to pay Odell. Odell is "quietly" having a pretty damn good season and we don't know what Bridgewater is yet since the injury.
RE: Fix the OL and Eli will play effectively  
family progtitioner : 10/10/2018 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14117442 Big Blue '56 said:
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into his 40s, at least another 3-4 years if he cares to, imo. There’s nothing wrong with him physically and he’s got great tools to work with. Then there’s Lauletta whom Shurmur might be quite high on..



Oh please no.
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