Knowing what we know now, I'd call Cle about trading up to #1 and taking Mayfield. I'd be fine taking Darnold at #2 and I'd be fine dropping back a few picks and taking Rosen/Allen.
In conclusion, I don't feel any better about our QB situation now.
but Barkley has won me over. I am hoping the Giants get Justin Herbert in the draft next season and come away with Ja'Wuan James in free agency for RT. They could then draft a guard on day 2 to compete with Omameh for the starting job and Barkley will become the best back in football.
He looks very good. Hopefully before his prime is done the Giants will build an o line that is at least in the bottom third of the league instead of rock bottom.
He looks special, and the available QBs haven't impressed*.
*obviously a long way to go
Agreed.
Allen looks like a guy destined for many sacks, low completion percentages, turnovers, and eventual injury.
The other two haven't jumped off the screen in any meaningful way. They have plenty of football ahead of them, but I don't see anything that distinguishes them from the next two crops of high first round quarterbacks.
now that it was the best choice. I wanted Barkley but also Mayfield. I would've hated the Giants if I saw SB lighting up the stat boards and highlight reels every week while we have a rookie qb sitting on the bench behind Eli. You dont pass on generational talent at a key postion.
By the time we're ready to compete who the hell knows what kind of player he'll be after the wear and tear.
Drafting him, paying Beckham, and moving forward with Eli were signs of a front office incapable of making on honest and difficult assessment of where this team actually is.
ELi and SB have both been held back by our awful OL plus confusion and play calling on offense. We will get it together soon I am hoping. Anyone expecting a quick start with this many new faces and rebuilding changes was kidding themselves. We could easily be 3/2 now with a few more plays by the offense. MO
but all of the QB's already have flashed at least something in their first 5 games of their career with less than stellar supporting casts, as well. Definitely don't feel any better than last season about our current QB/offensive situation, either.
He's shown promise, but I think people are still extending their hope into reality. He's flashed, and obviously the potential is there, but so far the offensive ineptitude overall has impacted Barkley as well and the production doesn't match his cost so far.
Meanwhile, who knows how long Eli has left, or how long it will take to rebuild the OL. Could easily waste the last year or two of Eli's career, the first year or two of SB's career, and the first couple of years of OBJ's big contract on a luxury that didn't resolve the offensive issues.
is everything he was advertised as, but still would rather have gone Rosen/Darnold and even Denzel Ward (extreme hindsight on that one as he wasn't on the radar, but he has drastically made a difference on that Browns team more than anyone else). Right now we're living proof that pro bowl running backs can easily be wasted on bad teams.
I did not like Darnold, still do not. I liked Mayfield and Rosen. Mayfield was gone. If we were going to draft a QB at 2, it would have likely been Darnold, so if you force me to choose right this moment, I am happy. If you told me we could have traded down for extra picks, that would have been my choice. If we could have gotten Rosen, Michel and Hernandez, sign me up for that.
I liked was Mayfield and he was gone. I also was afraid of his off field issues so that said I was and still am very happy. Who know Kyle might be better than the rest of the Qbs taken in the first round.
Exceptional players are rare, can't limit your chance to acquire them narrowing your search to need. There's several "ordinary" QB prospects every year, and nowadays QB hell is less of a worry.
Barkley was the consensus best player in the draft on pretty much everyone's lips. He has talent at his position that hasnt been seen in while. He is a weapon that can take it to the house on any given play.
...but Saquon Barkley is even better than advertised!
He's the greatest show on two wheels, and he's driving behind one fucked up offensive line.
He is also mature and full of wisdom beyond his years, and if we are very, very lucky, which I doubt, some of his character will some how, some way rub off on our resident, semi-nut job OBJ.
Exceptional players are rare, can't limit your chance to acquire them narrowing your search to need. There's several "ordinary" QB prospects every year, and nowadays QB hell is less of a worry.
Hypothetical. We have the #1 pick next year. The clear cut best player is a WR and he's an elite talent. Do you take him? BPA
Exceptional players are rare, can't limit your chance to acquire them narrowing your search to need. There's several "ordinary" QB prospects every year, and nowadays QB hell is less of a worry.
Hypothetical. We have the #1 pick next year. The clear cut best player is a WR and he's an elite talent. Do you take him? BPA
Unless there is a franchise player there at another position, sure, I eould
hoping he fell to us before, because I thought he was an outstanding talent, and thrilled that the Giants took him, because I knew it meant tons of exhilarating moments for me as a Giants fan.
*obviously a long way to go
Knowing what we know now, I'd call Cle about trading up to #1 and taking Mayfield. I'd be fine taking Darnold at #2 and I'd be fine dropping back a few picks and taking Rosen/Allen.
In conclusion, I don't feel any better about our QB situation now.
Now if the OL could keep people off of him when he gets a handoff, who knows what he could accomplish.
I still can't believe the Browns passed on him. One of the top QB's would've still been there in the 5 spot.
Looks like a special player.
*obviously a long way to go
Agreed.
Allen looks like a guy destined for many sacks, low completion percentages, turnovers, and eventual injury.
The other two haven't jumped off the screen in any meaningful way. They have plenty of football ahead of them, but I don't see anything that distinguishes them from the next two crops of high first round quarterbacks.
By the time we're ready to compete who the hell knows what kind of player he'll be after the wear and tear.
Drafting him, paying Beckham, and moving forward with Eli were signs of a front office incapable of making on honest and difficult assessment of where this team actually is.
This OL might have created another David Carr out of any of those QBs.
Giants won't be the only team in on Herbert, if they even like him.
Meanwhile, who knows how long Eli has left, or how long it will take to rebuild the OL. Could easily waste the last year or two of Eli's career, the first year or two of SB's career, and the first couple of years of OBJ's big contract on a luxury that didn't resolve the offensive issues.
Quote:
with SB and Herbert.
Giants won't be the only team in on Herbert, if they even like him.
We're looking good for the #1 overall pick.
We got him at #2.
Meanwhile, Dave in Hoboken has trouble keeping it in his pants when he watches Sam Darnold play.
The irony.
We got him at #2.
Based on what they've both done so far, do you believe Barkley's better than Mayfield?
And I realize we had no shot at Mayfield, but you did say best...
Fix the OL. Give him some running lanes.
no problem with the pick.
Saquon yesterday, Saquon today, and Saquon tomorrow
Meanwhile, Dave in Hoboken has trouble keeping it in his pants when he watches Sam Darnold play.
The irony.
people make such a big deal about that comment..
all he said was that he has rare God given talent..
period..
I just don't know when we will have a real good team around him.
...but Saquon Barkley is even better than advertised!
He's the greatest show on two wheels, and he's driving behind one fucked up offensive line.
He is also mature and full of wisdom beyond his years, and if we are very, very lucky, which I doubt, some of his character will some how, some way rub off on our resident, semi-nut job OBJ.
Hypothetical. We have the #1 pick next year. The clear cut best player is a WR and he's an elite talent. Do you take him? BPA
Quote:
Exceptional players are rare, can't limit your chance to acquire them narrowing your search to need. There's several "ordinary" QB prospects every year, and nowadays QB hell is less of a worry.
Hypothetical. We have the #1 pick next year. The clear cut best player is a WR and he's an elite talent. Do you take him? BPA
Unless there is a franchise player there at another position, sure, I eould
Nothing has changed.
But a total luxury pick that we didn't have the luxury of using.
So, I still stand firm - a wasted pick based on current and future ROI value.