In the meanwhile, stop making up shit to make a point.
This was the other post I was talking about:
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Reality has now set in and the Jets have their quarterback for the next 15 years and we're back to Danny Kannell and Kent Graham.
Maybe if you stopped bitching about everything the team does, you'd have understood what the fuck I was referring to.
Jesus, you are on another thread acting like we are just now hearing that flowers is a bad apple.
Lets play Barkley (projected) or Faulk rookie season Â
He's not a great player. Not yet, and maybe not ever.
Not what anyone wants to hear - but the production that would have to accompany calling him great just isn't there. And while I'm willing to cut him slack because of the overall offensive woes, that doesn't mean we can just pretend he's guaranteed greatness.
No again. Barkley is better now than Bell last year. And Bell isn’t playing now. When he comes back he’s on the cliff.
I’d take him over Kamara (who is one of the best players the league). Everything you see Kamara do? Barkley can do with much more power, quickness, and speed. Everything. Put Barkley on the Saints for Kamara and that’s a better team.
No production? Who said that? He’s had a 100 yards every game and they still aren’t using him enough in the pass game and he has an awful OL. He’s on pace for 100 catches , close to 2000 yards from scrimmage, and 15 TDS.
They start using isolating him more like the Saints do with Kamara and he,ll hit 2000 yards in year 1. And that’s a bottom of the heap OL and a fading QB.
That wasn't the consensus (at least on this board and many draft sites) before the draft. He was absolutely in the top group, but the discussion revolved around him being one of several (6-7) blue chips at the top of the draft.
And I don't believe his being "the most talented prospect" was the only consideration. I've asked this question in the past and I'll ask it again:
If Eli Manning had retired after the 2017 season who would the Giants have drafted?
I'd bet my mortgage they'd have drafted Darnold.
But, Eli didn’t retire. Everyone in the room liked Saquon enough, coupled with the fan outcry over the Eli benching. If Eli retired, the pick would have easily been QB.
Michael Lombardi during today’s Ringer podcast talks about the toughest thing to do is manage a declining great player. The destination may end up being correct if NYG is in a position to draft Herbert. You may not like how they arrived to it, but it would be hard to argue.
You guys are arguing different things IMO. Talent and ability wise, Barkley has no peer athletically, none, not even Odell. With all that ability he's still not elevating the team the way a great QB can. His effectiveness is stunted by middling QB play, terrible OL play and sub par receiving so far. He can affect a game and he will more as we go along and we keep feeding him.
bw believes RBs are fungible and should be sought later, he's not letting that go. KWALL believes that Barkley is the best gifted athlete of all those mentioned and I happen to agree but that's not what wins all the time. Just my take, it's two different arguments but the arguers are on opposite sides of the debate and always will be no matter what happens. Welcome to Giants discussions, where no ones mind ever changes but we beat others over the head in hopes to do so.
That's the whole point though. Hunt isnt that good an RB? I buy it. Hes a good, solid RB. I wouldn't pay him more than a few million a year if he were an FA. But he puts up big numbers in a productive offense. And before him, Spencer ware put up big numbers in a productive offense.
Gordon? Same deal for me. Good player, wouldn't pay him more than a few million. Puts up big numbers in a productive offense. And when he's not on the field? Austin Ekeler puts up big numbers in a productive offense.
The RB position is low value, highly dependent, and massively fungible. Far more so than any other position. Investing major resources in a RB is a low ROI move for those reasons. We all know this - it's been the case for a long time. Unfortunately our extremely dumb GM thinks football is the same as it was in 1935 and we have to suffer the consequences of his ignorance.
About the position and long term draft value? We’ll see. The position does decline faster than any other and gets impacted by dings and hits more than others (See Bell)
So he may be finished sooner and the long term draft value may be better for some other players (Rosen), Who knows at this point.
But the guy playing right now? Not many better than that guy certainly not Hunt or Gordon. Or AJ Green.
He makes any team much better including that shit show we have going on right now.
Nobody considers Hunt in the same league. He’s a good player. But limited.
He’s not close.
Kamara is close in many ways. Hunt isn’t close in any way. Barkley is in another league.
I served up Hunt's production. That's who he is right now. If the style points are important to you, then I guess you are a big fan of figure skating.
Really, here's my problem - saying it's "not close." That is such a poor choice of words. At this level, the differences are not as great as you think.
He is already doing things I have never seen a back do before . The leaping ability is crazy although he needs to pick his spots with that he is so competitive and wants to prove his worth . He will be no good to us damaging those wheels really my only concern . He has great hands but the thing that jumps out is the acceleration it's off the charts I don't know which team has the best O-line but imagine the yards he would rack up .
His first TD the 68 yard run pretty much said it all .
I think were in for many memorable games for him to come .
Put it this way. Open draft of all NFL players. Barkley goes in the elite tier . At the very top. Hunt does not.
It’s not close.
Barklwy makes an offense much tougher to defend. In the same situations, he’ll do much more for you. And he makes the offense a much tough matchup.
You know who’s a good comp for Hunt? Connor in PIT. That’s where he is. Connor cut weight this year and he’s more explosive. He’s better as a receiving threat. But those guys are closer than Hunt and Barklwy.
About the position and long term draft value? We’ll see. The position does decline faster than any other and gets impacted by dings and hits more than others (See Bell)
So he may be finished sooner and the long term draft value may be better for some other players (Rosen), Who knows at this point.
But the guy playing right now? Not many better than that guy certainly not Hunt or Gordon. Or AJ Green.
He makes any team much better including that shit show we have going on right now.
I agree. I think outside of Brady, Brees and Rodgers there are no other players I'd want over him. None of the others listed are even as close as impactful or dangerous.
Put it this way. Open draft of all NFL players. Barkley goes in the elite tier . At the very top. Hunt does not.
It’s not close.
Barklwy makes an offense much tougher to defend. In the same situations, he’ll do much more for you. And he makes the offense a much tough matchup.
You know who’s a good comp for Hunt? Connor in PIT. That’s where he is. Connor cut weight this year and he’s more explosive. He’s better as a receiving threat. But those guys are closer than Hunt and Barklwy.
You made an outlandish statement that "not many" current players are in SB's league. I listed 20 off the top of my head. (I could probably find another ten. Players who have an actual resume with results.)
And now you are trying to make a case against a guy, Hunt, who actually killed it his rookie year in the NFL. And is likely going to do the same thing this year.
Okay, fine. In your world of glitz and glamour, SB would go higher in this open draft concept. And I'll get Kareem Hunt, again, as a bargain selection and get at least 90-95+% of SB's "projected" value.
RE: And for the people saying simply that Barkley was the best prospect Â
If Eli Manning had retired after the 2017 season who would the Giants have drafted?
I'd bet my mortgage they'd have drafted Darnold.
They would have been forced to do so. All the years you've been on BBI, you've claimed the Giants should pick BPA. Now you have suddenly changed to becoming a butt loving Darnold fan. Just stop your BS. It's evidenced in all your posts.
Reality has now set in and the Jets have their quarterback for the next 15 years and we're back to Danny Kannell and Kent Graham.
It's still very early, but how exactly has Darnold shown he is the guy for the next 15 years? He has shown flashes, but is still prone to turnovers as he was in college. He averages more than 1 turnover a game for nearly 2 seasons worth of games.
I've pointed this out before but I think this is a huge point Â
I've never seen BBI so unanimously agree on a prospect as much as Herbert. And I personally love Herbert too. I like him more than any of the other QB prospects that came out this year, in fact. Considering everyone is saying 2019 is a weak QB class, I think that's astounding that we have all actually agreed we want this guy as our future QB, and we aren't even halfway through the college season yet. I just think he's going to be an absolute stud, and while I think Bosa may be a better overall prospect as far as a rating would go, I would still go with Herbert #1 overall if we had the pick because I think he's going to be a real winner.
RE: RE: And for the people saying simply that Barkley was the best prospect Â
If Eli Manning had retired after the 2017 season who would the Giants have drafted?
I'd bet my mortgage they'd have drafted Darnold.
They would have been forced to do so. All the years you've been on BBI, you've claimed the Giants should pick BPA. Now you have suddenly changed to becoming a butt loving Darnold fan. Just stop your BS. It's evidenced in all your posts.
Rub your hiney and move on.
If the Giants start running the team the way I would, then yeah BPA always makes sense. But that's not how they operate.
I'm less troubled by missing out on Darnold than I am by what I believe to be a complete lack of a plan. But hey if you want to ignore it and say "trust them" for the sixth year in a row, that's your prerogative.
We should all be rubbing our asses because the incompetence at the top has been fucking all of us. Some of us are done kidding ourselves about it.
RE: I've pointed this out before but I think this is a huge point Â
I've never seen BBI so unanimously agree on a prospect as much as Herbert. And I personally love Herbert too. I like him more than any of the other QB prospects that came out this year, in fact. Considering everyone is saying 2019 is a weak QB class, I think that's astounding that we have all actually agreed we want this guy as our future QB, and we aren't even halfway through the college season yet. I just think he's going to be an absolute stud, and while I think Bosa may be a better overall prospect as far as a rating would go, I would still go with Herbert #1 overall if we had the pick because I think he's going to be a real winner.
Really? Unanimous?
There are a few of us - considering we are in your BBI world - who feel the same exact way about Will Grier.
I still don't believe any of the 4 QBs are special Â
players. Mayfield is the best right now and he is good, but I don't see a special player. Darnold is next and he is even less special. Rosen and Allen are in another class right now.
I truly believe Barkley is already a special player and should be even better and more dynamic with more improvements on the OL.
Wasn’t very good in the 2nd half of last year. He was ok.
This year?
He hasn’t been very good. He made one play vs PIT on a 10 yard pass. He got past the rookie DB on PIT for a nice TD. Big game vs DEN. The rest of the time. An ok NFL starter.
And the “league” stuff was only said about Hunt. No one else.
I said he’s better than some of the others like Gordon. But Hunt? He’s much better.
The Resume stuff means nothing. I’m talking about the players right now. Not their stats over a few years. Lot of things go into rush stats and all of those things are working against Barkley.
But it’s not even that. You split Hunt wide and you can put an average LB on him and your fine. You swing him out of the backfield? The D isn’t worried about it or doing anything to stop it.
And open draft of all nfl players, the first 10-15 picks would all be QBs. No running back would go in the top 30 unless gettleman was involved. Probably not in the top 100.
But it’s not even that. You split Hunt wide and you can put an average LB on him and your fine. You swing him out of the backfield? The D isn’t worried about it or doing anything to stop it.
With Barkley it’s another story.
Well, that (catches) is true, but it's misleading. Mahomes is going downfield a helluva lot more than Smith did. The days of Chiefs WRs struggling to get TDs in over. But when Smith was there we clearly saw what Hunt an do as a receiver.
Meanwhile, Eli has checked down considerably more. So it makes sense from a # of catches lens that SB will have more.
If Eli Manning had retired after the 2017 season who would the Giants have drafted?
I'd bet my mortgage they'd have drafted Darnold.
They would have been forced to do so. All the years you've been on BBI, you've claimed the Giants should pick BPA. Now you have suddenly changed to becoming a butt loving Darnold fan. Just stop your BS. It's evidenced in all your posts.
Rub your hiney and move on.
If the Giants start running the team the way I would, then yeah BPA always makes sense. But that's not how they operate.
I'm less troubled by missing out on Darnold than I am by what I believe to be a complete lack of a plan. But hey if you want to ignore it and say "trust them" for the sixth year in a row, that's your prerogative.
We should all be rubbing our asses because the incompetence at the top has been fucking all of us. Some of us are done kidding ourselves about it.
If you care about the cap like your other posts suggest, then you’d know that the timing simply wasn’t right to force a QB pick this year.
If the Giants took a QB, they would’ve had a ton of money tied up in Darnold/Rosen plus Eli this year and at least the dead money hit from an Eli cut next year. 1 maybe 2 years wasted of a cheap rookie QB deal. Then factor in the terrible situation the new QB would be walking into — terrible OL and the media frenzy taking over for Eli. Definitely not optimal imv.
Hunt might not even go in the top 500. That's about the 16th round. I certainly wouldn't pick him earlier than that. But you might be right - it just depends on who's doing the drafting. The Jags did just pick fournette at 4, which is probably even dumber than taking Barkley at 2.
I wouldn't even consider an rb in the top 300 of that draft. I would easily pick the tenth best OG in the league over the #1 rated rb.
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I've never seen BBI so unanimously agree on a prospect as much as Herbert. And I personally love Herbert too. I like him more than any of the other QB prospects that came out this year, in fact. Considering everyone is saying 2019 is a weak QB class, I think that's astounding that we have all actually agreed we want this guy as our future QB, and we aren't even halfway through the college season yet. I just think he's going to be an absolute stud, and while I think Bosa may be a better overall prospect as far as a rating would go, I would still go with Herbert #1 overall if we had the pick because I think he's going to be a real winner.
Really? Unanimous?
There are a few of us - considering we are in your BBI world - who feel the same exact way about Will Grier.
Sorry dude, my bad, didn't mean to speak for everyone. I was just going by the fact that so often I see Herbert's name randomly pop up in BBI discussions when we aren't even talking about the 2019 draft yet. But then again I may be biased because I love me some Herbert and that's probably why I notice it so often. I'm sure there are plenty of people who like Grier as well and I don't claim to be the end-all-be-all expert on which current 19 yr old kid is going to be the next HOF QB. Let's just hope DG and PS know what the hell they're doing and pick the right guy whether its 2019, 2020, hell even 2021, I don't care as long as they get the *right* guy.
He's not a great player. Not yet, and maybe not ever.
Not what anyone wants to hear - but the production that would have to accompany calling him great just isn't there. And while I'm willing to cut him slack because of the overall offensive woes, that doesn't mean we can just pretend he's guaranteed greatness.
The first 5 games of his career he has gained over100 yards from scrimmage. Only 2 other players in the history off the game has done that. One had seven and one 5. Yea no production.....
Sorry dude, my bad, didn't mean to speak for everyone. I was just going by the fact that so often I see Herbert's name randomly pop up in BBI discussions when we aren't even talking about the 2019 draft yet. But then again I may be biased because I love me some Herbert and that's probably why I notice it so often. I'm sure there are plenty of people who like Grier as well and I don't claim to be the end-all-be-all expert on which current 19 yr old kid is going to be the next HOF QB. Let's just hope DG and PS know what the hell they're doing and pick the right guy whether its 2019, 2020, hell even 2021, I don't care as long as they get the *right* guy.
Just needling you a bit. There is a strong camp for Herbert. He certainly looks the part physically. I've seen two full games this year and was impressed with his ability to change arm angles to make plays.
A bunch of posters in this thread has pointed out and bitched that the reason the Giants suck right now is that they drafted for need instead of BPA in the past (IE: Flowers). Yet here they drafted the BPA in the whole draft and because they didn't reach (in the Giants mind) for a QB that posters like it's now wrong to draft BPA, it's absurd to see.
And I am sure he will give us many highlight real plays.
I am rooting for him and the team.
I stick by what I said at the time, I don't think RB at 2 is good value especially behind our o-line...
You can have all the skill position players in the world. If you don't have a decent o-line, your offense is going nowhere.
I don't know what offers there really were, but I was a proponent of trading down. I had dreams of picking up Nelson. and one of the tackles, possibly one of the centers...
Imagine if we were able to pick McGlinchey and Ragnow, who both seem to be getting going along with Hernandez.
I know starting 3 rookies would cause some serious growing pains, but imagine how much better we would feel about the o-line, now and in the future, and the team in general right now. Now, I feel we are forever mired down by a completely ineffective o-line. With no end in sight.
This was the other post I was talking about:
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Reality has now set in and the Jets have their quarterback for the next 15 years and we're back to Danny Kannell and Kent Graham.
Maybe if you stopped bitching about everything the team does, you'd have understood what the fuck I was referring to.
Jesus, you are on another thread acting like we are just now hearing that flowers is a bad apple.
285 RA, 1173 yds, 4.1 ypc, 10.2 td, 60 rec, 415 yds, 6.9 ypc, 7.2 td
He is what he is right now - a dynamic player that certainly appears to be a playmaker and worthy of a high draft pick.
You fail.
Gordon isn’t better either.
Not what anyone wants to hear - but the production that would have to accompany calling him great just isn't there. And while I'm willing to cut him slack because of the overall offensive woes, that doesn't mean we can just pretend he's guaranteed greatness.
I’d take him over Kamara (who is one of the best players the league). Everything you see Kamara do? Barkley can do with much more power, quickness, and speed. Everything. Put Barkley on the Saints for Kamara and that’s a better team.
No production? Who said that? He’s had a 100 yards every game and they still aren’t using him enough in the pass game and he has an awful OL. He’s on pace for 100 catches , close to 2000 yards from scrimmage, and 15 TDS.
They start using isolating him more like the Saints do with Kamara and he,ll hit 2000 yards in year 1. And that’s a bottom of the heap OL and a fading QB.
285 RA, 1173 yds, 4.1 ypc, 10.2 td, 60 rec, 415 yds, 6.9 ypc, 7.2 td
You got the wrong Barkley.
Our guy is on pace for almost 100/catches. Close to 2000 from scrimmage. And 16 TDs.
You fail.
Gordon isn’t better either.
Hunt had 1,300+ yards as a rookie and nearly 5 ypc. 53 catches and 11 TDs. And he's off and running again this year.
I see your point - that's "not close"...
He’s not close.
Kamara is close in many ways. Hunt isn’t close in any way. Barkley is in another league.
And I don't believe his being "the most talented prospect" was the only consideration. I've asked this question in the past and I'll ask it again:
If Eli Manning had retired after the 2017 season who would the Giants have drafted?
I'd bet my mortgage they'd have drafted Darnold.
But, Eli didn’t retire. Everyone in the room liked Saquon enough, coupled with the fan outcry over the Eli benching. If Eli retired, the pick would have easily been QB.
Michael Lombardi during today’s Ringer podcast talks about the toughest thing to do is manage a declining great player. The destination may end up being correct if NYG is in a position to draft Herbert. You may not like how they arrived to it, but it would be hard to argue.
bw believes RBs are fungible and should be sought later, he's not letting that go. KWALL believes that Barkley is the best gifted athlete of all those mentioned and I happen to agree but that's not what wins all the time. Just my take, it's two different arguments but the arguers are on opposite sides of the debate and always will be no matter what happens. Welcome to Giants discussions, where no ones mind ever changes but we beat others over the head in hopes to do so.
You fail.
Gordon isn’t better either.
That's the whole point though. Hunt isnt that good an RB? I buy it. Hes a good, solid RB. I wouldn't pay him more than a few million a year if he were an FA. But he puts up big numbers in a productive offense. And before him, Spencer ware put up big numbers in a productive offense.
Gordon? Same deal for me. Good player, wouldn't pay him more than a few million. Puts up big numbers in a productive offense. And when he's not on the field? Austin Ekeler puts up big numbers in a productive offense.
The RB position is low value, highly dependent, and massively fungible. Far more so than any other position. Investing major resources in a RB is a low ROI move for those reasons. We all know this - it's been the case for a long time. Unfortunately our extremely dumb GM thinks football is the same as it was in 1935 and we have to suffer the consequences of his ignorance.
About the position and long term draft value? We’ll see. The position does decline faster than any other and gets impacted by dings and hits more than others (See Bell)
So he may be finished sooner and the long term draft value may be better for some other players (Rosen), Who knows at this point.
But the guy playing right now? Not many better than that guy certainly not Hunt or Gordon. Or AJ Green.
He makes any team much better including that shit show we have going on right now.
At this (very early)point I'm still more convinced of Barkley's worth than I am any of the QBs that were available.
Barkley has "some talent" and Darnold is the Jets QB for 15 years.
Fucking madness.
Darnold has shown next to nothing so far in the "franchise QB" department.
But the Jets clearly found their guy.
He’s not close.
Kamara is close in many ways. Hunt isn’t close in any way. Barkley is in another league.
I served up Hunt's production. That's who he is right now. If the style points are important to you, then I guess you are a big fan of figure skating.
Really, here's my problem - saying it's "not close." That is such a poor choice of words. At this level, the differences are not as great as you think.
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314 RA, 1282 yds, 4.1 ypc, 11 TD, 52 Rec, 522 yds, 10 ypc, 1 TD
285 RA, 1173 yds, 4.1 ypc, 10.2 td, 60 rec, 415 yds, 6.9 ypc, 7.2 td
You got the wrong Barkley.
Our guy is on pace for almost 100/catches. Close to 2000 from scrimmage. And 16 TDs.
Even better. Makes Faulk look like a chicken legged scrub. I was using some crap fantasy site "projection".
His first TD the 68 yard run pretty much said it all .
I think were in for many memorable games for him to come .
Put it this way. Open draft of all NFL players. Barkley goes in the elite tier . At the very top. Hunt does not.
It’s not close.
Barklwy makes an offense much tougher to defend. In the same situations, he’ll do much more for you. And he makes the offense a much tough matchup.
You know who’s a good comp for Hunt? Connor in PIT. That’s where he is. Connor cut weight this year and he’s more explosive. He’s better as a receiving threat. But those guys are closer than Hunt and Barklwy.
About the position and long term draft value? We’ll see. The position does decline faster than any other and gets impacted by dings and hits more than others (See Bell)
So he may be finished sooner and the long term draft value may be better for some other players (Rosen), Who knows at this point.
But the guy playing right now? Not many better than that guy certainly not Hunt or Gordon. Or AJ Green.
He makes any team much better including that shit show we have going on right now.
Put it this way. Open draft of all NFL players. Barkley goes in the elite tier . At the very top. Hunt does not.
It’s not close.
Barklwy makes an offense much tougher to defend. In the same situations, he’ll do much more for you. And he makes the offense a much tough matchup.
You know who’s a good comp for Hunt? Connor in PIT. That’s where he is. Connor cut weight this year and he’s more explosive. He’s better as a receiving threat. But those guys are closer than Hunt and Barklwy.
You made an outlandish statement that "not many" current players are in SB's league. I listed 20 off the top of my head. (I could probably find another ten. Players who have an actual resume with results.)
And now you are trying to make a case against a guy, Hunt, who actually killed it his rookie year in the NFL. And is likely going to do the same thing this year.
Okay, fine. In your world of glitz and glamour, SB would go higher in this open draft concept. And I'll get Kareem Hunt, again, as a bargain selection and get at least 90-95+% of SB's "projected" value.
If Eli Manning had retired after the 2017 season who would the Giants have drafted?
I'd bet my mortgage they'd have drafted Darnold.
They would have been forced to do so. All the years you've been on BBI, you've claimed the Giants should pick BPA. Now you have suddenly changed to becoming a butt loving Darnold fan. Just stop your BS. It's evidenced in all your posts.
Rub your hiney and move on.
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If Eli Manning had retired after the 2017 season who would the Giants have drafted?
I'd bet my mortgage they'd have drafted Darnold.
They would have been forced to do so. All the years you've been on BBI, you've claimed the Giants should pick BPA. Now you have suddenly changed to becoming a butt loving Darnold fan. Just stop your BS. It's evidenced in all your posts.
Rub your hiney and move on.
If the Giants start running the team the way I would, then yeah BPA always makes sense. But that's not how they operate.
I'm less troubled by missing out on Darnold than I am by what I believe to be a complete lack of a plan. But hey if you want to ignore it and say "trust them" for the sixth year in a row, that's your prerogative.
We should all be rubbing our asses because the incompetence at the top has been fucking all of us. Some of us are done kidding ourselves about it.
Really? Unanimous?
There are a few of us - considering we are in your BBI world - who feel the same exact way about Will Grier.
I truly believe Barkley is already a special player and should be even better and more dynamic with more improvements on the OL.
This year?
He hasn’t been very good. He made one play vs PIT on a 10 yard pass. He got past the rookie DB on PIT for a nice TD. Big game vs DEN. The rest of the time. An ok NFL starter.
And the “league” stuff was only said about Hunt. No one else.
I said he’s better than some of the others like Gordon. But Hunt? He’s much better.
The Resume stuff means nothing. I’m talking about the players right now. Not their stats over a few years. Lot of things go into rush stats and all of those things are working against Barkley.
But it’s not even that. You split Hunt wide and you can put an average LB on him and your fine. You swing him out of the backfield? The D isn’t worried about it or doing anything to stop it.
With Barkley it’s another story.
But it’s not even that. You split Hunt wide and you can put an average LB on him and your fine. You swing him out of the backfield? The D isn’t worried about it or doing anything to stop it.
With Barkley it’s another story.
Well, that (catches) is true, but it's misleading. Mahomes is going downfield a helluva lot more than Smith did. The days of Chiefs WRs struggling to get TDs in over. But when Smith was there we clearly saw what Hunt an do as a receiver.
Meanwhile, Eli has checked down considerably more. So it makes sense from a # of catches lens that SB will have more.
The thing with Hunt is when he’s bad, he’s very bad. Non contributor. Barkley bad game is still close to 100 yards combined.
The thing with Hunt is when he’s bad, he’s very bad. Non contributor. Barkley bad game is still close to 100 yards combined.
3 of 4. He had only 1 carry against Denver in the finale. Granted, it was 35 yards and a TD... ;)
Hunt goes 200+.
He’s a good nfl starter. Limited. He’ll fall off the cliff fast too.
Just not the same player or close to it.
Connor or Hunt? Who would you take? I like Connor more.
Nothing he does is impressive. He makes an occasional play. But you should with 300 touches on a team with explosive players around you.
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If Eli Manning had retired after the 2017 season who would the Giants have drafted?
I'd bet my mortgage they'd have drafted Darnold.
They would have been forced to do so. All the years you've been on BBI, you've claimed the Giants should pick BPA. Now you have suddenly changed to becoming a butt loving Darnold fan. Just stop your BS. It's evidenced in all your posts.
Rub your hiney and move on.
If the Giants start running the team the way I would, then yeah BPA always makes sense. But that's not how they operate.
I'm less troubled by missing out on Darnold than I am by what I believe to be a complete lack of a plan. But hey if you want to ignore it and say "trust them" for the sixth year in a row, that's your prerogative.
We should all be rubbing our asses because the incompetence at the top has been fucking all of us. Some of us are done kidding ourselves about it.
If you care about the cap like your other posts suggest, then you’d know that the timing simply wasn’t right to force a QB pick this year.
If the Giants took a QB, they would’ve had a ton of money tied up in Darnold/Rosen plus Eli this year and at least the dead money hit from an Eli cut next year. 1 maybe 2 years wasted of a cheap rookie QB deal. Then factor in the terrible situation the new QB would be walking into — terrible OL and the media frenzy taking over for Eli. Definitely not optimal imv.
Nothing he does is impressive. He makes an occasional play. But you should with 300 touches on a team with explosive players around you.
"Nothing he does is impressive."
Welcome to the abyss.
I wouldn't even consider an rb in the top 300 of that draft. I would easily pick the tenth best OG in the league over the #1 rated rb.
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I've never seen BBI so unanimously agree on a prospect as much as Herbert. And I personally love Herbert too. I like him more than any of the other QB prospects that came out this year, in fact. Considering everyone is saying 2019 is a weak QB class, I think that's astounding that we have all actually agreed we want this guy as our future QB, and we aren't even halfway through the college season yet. I just think he's going to be an absolute stud, and while I think Bosa may be a better overall prospect as far as a rating would go, I would still go with Herbert #1 overall if we had the pick because I think he's going to be a real winner.
Really? Unanimous?
There are a few of us - considering we are in your BBI world - who feel the same exact way about Will Grier.
Sorry dude, my bad, didn't mean to speak for everyone. I was just going by the fact that so often I see Herbert's name randomly pop up in BBI discussions when we aren't even talking about the 2019 draft yet. But then again I may be biased because I love me some Herbert and that's probably why I notice it so often. I'm sure there are plenty of people who like Grier as well and I don't claim to be the end-all-be-all expert on which current 19 yr old kid is going to be the next HOF QB. Let's just hope DG and PS know what the hell they're doing and pick the right guy whether its 2019, 2020, hell even 2021, I don't care as long as they get the *right* guy.
Barkley has "some talent" and Darnold is the Jets QB for 15 years.
Fucking madness.
almost ponderous...
Not what anyone wants to hear - but the production that would have to accompany calling him great just isn't there. And while I'm willing to cut him slack because of the overall offensive woes, that doesn't mean we can just pretend he's guaranteed greatness.
The first 5 games of his career he has gained over100 yards from scrimmage. Only 2 other players in the history off the game has done that. One had seven and one 5. Yea no production.....
You would take the 10th best guard over Barkley and also 300 NFL players over him (10 players on every team?)
No you wouldn’t.
Sorry dude, my bad, didn't mean to speak for everyone. I was just going by the fact that so often I see Herbert's name randomly pop up in BBI discussions when we aren't even talking about the 2019 draft yet. But then again I may be biased because I love me some Herbert and that's probably why I notice it so often. I'm sure there are plenty of people who like Grier as well and I don't claim to be the end-all-be-all expert on which current 19 yr old kid is going to be the next HOF QB. Let's just hope DG and PS know what the hell they're doing and pick the right guy whether its 2019, 2020, hell even 2021, I don't care as long as they get the *right* guy.
Just needling you a bit. There is a strong camp for Herbert. He certainly looks the part physically. I've seen two full games this year and was impressed with his ability to change arm angles to make plays.
I am rooting for him and the team.
I stick by what I said at the time, I don't think RB at 2 is good value especially behind our o-line...
You can have all the skill position players in the world. If you don't have a decent o-line, your offense is going nowhere.
I don't know what offers there really were, but I was a proponent of trading down. I had dreams of picking up Nelson. and one of the tackles, possibly one of the centers...
I will say Hernandez looks solid.
I know starting 3 rookies would cause some serious growing pains, but imagine how much better we would feel about the o-line, now and in the future, and the team in general right now. Now, I feel we are forever mired down by a completely ineffective o-line. With no end in sight.