I don't want to read a 100 page book about blackjack ettiquete. Figured I'd get a few pointers from some of you guys on what to do/not do to piss off the other players at the table?
for "basic blackjack strategy card" and memorize as much as you can. It'll be more efficient to just study that than try to remember a bunch of odd tips you get on BBI.
People who get mad at moves made by other players at a blackjack table are idiots and likely have a gambling problem.
for "basic blackjack strategy card" and memorize as much as you can. It'll be more efficient to just study that than try to remember a bunch of odd tips you get on BBI.
People who get mad at moves made by other players at a blackjack table are idiots and likely have a gambling problem.
Good nature ribbing is fine, but I've seen people completely lose their shit and start cursing/yelling because some dude hits a 16 against a 5 and "takes" the crazy dude's card. Totally ruins any fun vibe.
it changed my time in Vegas. It isn't even really complicated. You are using kind of oppositional psychology to increase your odds as the inclination is to bet more when you are up. This is how they "get you." It's not as fun and requires some capital but using it I come out winning more often than losing.
You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Again, it does take some of the adrenaline / fun out of it. But winning money is also fun.
but you can always ask the dealer what does the book say? And most of them know. People at your table will actually appreciate this if you don't know what you are doing.
for "basic blackjack strategy card" and memorize as much as you can. It'll be more efficient to just study that than try to remember a bunch of odd tips you get on BBI.
People who get mad at moves made by other players at a blackjack table are idiots and likely have a gambling problem.
Good nature ribbing is fine, but I've seen people completely lose their shit and start cursing/yelling because some dude hits a 16 against a 5 and "takes" the crazy dude's card. Totally ruins any fun vibe.
I don't play much. In fact, not in years, but if I do go to the casino I prefer craps. It's more friendly and bad players don't impact the table. They do in bj however. I'm not the type to start an argument at a table, but when I see someone splitting tens and other silly stuff I have to walk away before I get burned by their bad moves.
it changed my time in Vegas. It isn't even really complicated. You are using kind of oppositional psychology to increase your odds as the inclination is to bet more when you are up. This is how they "get you." It's not as fun and requires some capital but using it I come out winning more often than losing.
You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Again, it does take some of the adrenaline / fun out of it. But winning money is also fun.
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The Martingale "system" is a system for going broke.
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it changed my time in Vegas. It isn't even really complicated. You are using kind of oppositional psychology to increase your odds as the inclination is to bet more when you are up. This is how they "get you." It's not as fun and requires some capital but using it I come out winning more often than losing.
You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Again, it does take some of the adrenaline / fun out of it. But winning money is also fun.
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So when I learned about the Martingale system
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it changed my time in Vegas. It isn't even really complicated. You are using kind of oppositional psychology to increase your odds as the inclination is to bet more when you are up. This is how they "get you." It's not as fun and requires some capital but using it I come out winning more often than losing.
First off, I never have more than $200 to start and if I lose it, I lose it. I only play $10 or $15 tables. I bet the minimum and if I lose the hand, I bet the minimum again. If I win, I add $5 to the bet. And continue to do so until I lose. Then I bet the minimum again. And repeat.
I rarely play games of chance anymore and focus on poker, but over my lifetime of playing blackjack, I'm up slightly over $10K. That also includes sessions playing single hand where I count cards though.
I've heard the old saying that not hitting 16 against a 10 is a losing hand, but the math really isn't too strong either way on it.
for "basic blackjack strategy card" and memorize as much as you can. It'll be more efficient to just study that than try to remember a bunch of odd tips you get on BBI.
People who get mad at moves made by other players at a blackjack table are idiots and likely have a gambling problem.
Good nature ribbing is fine, but I've seen people completely lose their shit and start cursing/yelling because some dude hits a 16 against a 5 and "takes" the crazy dude's card. Totally ruins any fun vibe.
I don't play much. In fact, not in years, but if I do go to the casino I prefer craps. It's more friendly and bad players don't impact the table. They do in bj however. I'm not the type to start an argument at a table, but when I see someone splitting tens and other silly stuff I have to walk away before I get burned by their bad moves.
You're just as likely to benefit by their bad moves as you are to get burned.
unless you know what you're doing. People will get a little pissed off if you're playing like an asshole.
That said, it's your money and you can gamble it how you see fit.
I like to play in the fifth or sixth position so I can get a good view of the cards coming out of the shoe. Just a personal preference of mine, plus I can clock the other players quickly and find out if I need to get up. Takes me about two minutes to figure out if I want to stay.
Always ask the people sitting at the table if it's ok if you jump in. It's the polite thing to do. And if someone is on a serious heater, they don't want to fuck with the cards.
If you're doing well, be sure to tip your dealer.
If I'm on a heater, I will occasionally play the side bet. I played a few weeks ago and absolutely killed it playing that sucker bet when I was painting the table.
Don't be scared to hit on 16 - it's the right play if the dealer is showing a face card. Can't stand people who waffle back and forth. Just fucking hit!
So when I learned about the Martingale system
NoGainDayne : 4:05 pm : link : reply
it changed my time in Vegas. It isn't even really complicated. You are using kind of oppositional psychology to increase your odds as the inclination is to bet more when you are up. This is how they "get you." It's not as fun and requires some capital but using it I come out winning more often than losing.
First off, I never have more than $200 to start and if I lose it, I lose it. I only play $10 or $15 tables. I bet the minimum and if I lose the hand, I bet the minimum again. If I win, I add $5 to the bet. And continue to do so until I lose. Then I bet the minimum again. And repeat.
I rarely play games of chance anymore and focus on poker, but over my lifetime of playing blackjack, I'm up slightly over $10K. That also includes sessions playing single hand where I count cards though.
I've heard the old saying that not hitting 16 against a 10 is a losing hand, but the math really isn't too strong either way on it.
I have a similar system where I'll only gamble what I start with. I literally color my chips when I win and put them in my pocket. I don't touch them and I'll continue to bet with what is on the table. All my winnings are put away. I love to color out and find a couple handfuls of $50s and $100s when I'm ready to bounce.
I was winning so much a couple weeks ago, the pit boss came over and told the dealer not to color me out anymore for anything less then blacks. We got into an argument and I ended up getting a comped room from the floor boss. The PB shouldn't be telling people how to bet. Seen and not heard, lady.
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it changed my time in Vegas. It isn't even really complicated. You are using kind of oppositional psychology to increase your odds as the inclination is to bet more when you are up. This is how they "get you." It's not as fun and requires some capital but using it I come out winning more often than losing.
You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Again, it does take some of the adrenaline / fun out of it. But winning money is also fun.
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Casinos LOVE gamblers with your mindset.
Well other people must lack the discipline or capital. I've never lost big in all my years doing this. And i've one big a few times.
Sometimes I get bored and lose like under $100 because I just want to bet.
And have a few things that work for me plus some comments ..
I don't play single deck unless I can get the other players at the table to turn their cards over while being dealt. If you can't see the cards then single deck is pointless.
I usually do not hit on 16. All things equal and without having the benefit if counting how many face cards have been dealt... There are more cards in a deck that will hurt you vs help you. In fact if the dealer is showing a low card I will often hold at 13 or 14 too.
I like playing at the lowest minimum table possible so I can reduce my bets if the dealer is on a run or I am not feeling lucky
I don't get pissed off when others hit or stay. The idea that someone else took your card or the dealer would have busted is bullshit. If you think it matters so much and you are such a blackjack expert then go get yourself a private table so you have nobody to blame but yourself when you lose everything.
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You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Well other people must lack the discipline or capital. I've never lost big in all my years doing this. And i've one big a few times.
Sometimes I get bored and lose like under $100 because I just want to bet.
You’ve been fortunate. Eventually it’s going to bite you in the ass.
One problem: you’re ignoring that there’s not just a table minimum, but a table maximum. At a $10 table, that’s generally $1000. So you can’t mske that $1080 bet after your 7th loss. Much less continue after that if you got the bankroll.
You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Well other people must lack the discipline or capital. I've never lost big in all my years doing this. And i've one big a few times.
Sometimes I get bored and lose like under $100 because I just want to bet.
You’ve been fortunate. Eventually it’s going to bite you in the ass.
One problem: you’re ignoring that there’s not just a table minimum, but a table maximum. At a $10 table, that’s generally $1000. So you can’t mske that $1080 bet after your 7th loss. Much less continue after that if you got the bankroll.
Eventually you’re going to bust big.
I've gone to $5,120 before starting at $20. Since then I've always started at $10, I want the extra multiple. You can always find someone to take the bet. I'd go to the $20,480 level and stop there considering I've made over $10K using this strategy that wouldn't be bad. When I started I said I would be alright losing $10K and my limit has gone up from winning.
And i'm ok with that. I've had many good trips to Vegas. If I ultimately switched from up $10K to down $10K i'd be fine. I'd stop playing, start fresh next trip and be willing to go up to 10K again. I don't play that much. I'd probably just be willing to stop if I lost the other $10K before recouping a lot of my losses.
I guess it's just about discipline. I understand the game i'm playing and what's at stake.
If you insist of playing a system here's a good one Â
It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
make sure you sit at third base the last seat before the dealer Â
It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
Did you just completely plagiarize the Labourchere System?
You're hilarious.
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You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Well other people must lack the discipline or capital. I've never lost big in all my years doing this. And i've one big a few times.
Sometimes I get bored and lose like under $100 because I just want to bet.
You’ve been fortunate. Eventually it’s going to bite you in the ass.
One problem: you’re ignoring that there’s not just a table minimum, but a table maximum. At a $10 table, that’s generally $1000. So you can’t mske that $1080 bet after your 7th loss. Much less continue after that if you got the bankroll.
Eventually you’re going to bust big.
I've gone to $5,120 before starting at $20. Since then I've always started at $10, I want the extra multiple. You can always find someone to take the bet. I'd go to the $20,480 level and stop there considering I've made over $10K using this strategy that wouldn't be bad. When I started I said I would be alright losing $10K and my limit has gone up from winning.
And i'm ok with that. I've had many good trips to Vegas. If I ultimately switched from up $10K to down $10K i'd be fine. I'd stop playing, start fresh next trip and be willing to go up to 10K again. I don't play that much. I'd probably just be willing to stop if I lost the other $10K before recouping a lot of my losses.
I guess it's just about discipline. I understand the game i'm playing and what's at stake.
If you start at $10 a hand, you end up with a net $10 win each time you win at the end of a series of hands doing the Martingale. You would have to run through 1000 sets of hands to win $10000. At 80 hands per hour, even being generous and giving you 40 resolved sets per hour, you'd still have to play for 25 hours to win $10K. You also should hit the 8 straight losses 6 times in that span.
Also, if you got to the 20,480 level and lost - you would have lost 40,950 in that series.
You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Well other people must lack the discipline or capital. I've never lost big in all my years doing this. And i've one big a few times.
Sometimes I get bored and lose like under $100 because I just want to bet.
You’ve been fortunate. Eventually it’s going to bite you in the ass.
One problem: you’re ignoring that there’s not just a table minimum, but a table maximum. At a $10 table, that’s generally $1000. So you can’t mske that $1080 bet after your 7th loss. Much less continue after that if you got the bankroll.
Eventually you’re going to bust big.
I've gone to $5,120 before starting at $20. Since then I've always started at $10, I want the extra multiple. You can always find someone to take the bet. I'd go to the $20,480 level and stop there considering I've made over $10K using this strategy that wouldn't be bad. When I started I said I would be alright losing $10K and my limit has gone up from winning.
And i'm ok with that. I've had many good trips to Vegas. If I ultimately switched from up $10K to down $10K i'd be fine. I'd stop playing, start fresh next trip and be willing to go up to 10K again. I don't play that much. I'd probably just be willing to stop if I lost the other $10K before recouping a lot of my losses.
I guess it's just about discipline. I understand the game i'm playing and what's at stake.
If you start at $10 a hand, you end up with a net $10 win each time you win at the end of a series of hands doing the Martingale. You would have to run through 1000 sets of hands to win $10000. At 80 hands per hour, even being generous and giving you 40 resolved sets per hour, you'd still have to play for 25 hours to win $10K. You also should hit the 8 straight losses 6 times in that span.
Also, if you got to the 20,480 level and lost - you would have lost 40,950 in that series.
Lol yes. You are right. Your numbers on the winning are right too, anecdotally and in the experience as I remember it. Definitely bet $1,080 about that many times and with my highest being $5,120. And I've probably played more than 25 hours, maybe 40 is a good guess.
I always had the 20K figure as the most i'd be willing to lose in one hand. I guess i'm a little flip on that profit number because blackjack is what I play with my friends, poker is what I play if i'm trying to win. I could take a 30K hit in just blackjack and still be up in my Vegas trips. That's not even counting all the poker I played online in high school and college. But that blackjack calculation was wrong for sure. And I did preface it by saying you needed the capital. Plenty of people can stomach losing more than 40K in a sitting.
I also think the odds are a little more in my favor. I won't say I can count all the cards but I've been playing 2 suited hands in pinochle since middle school. I'm not flying blind.
I could take a 30K hit in just blackjack and still be up in my Vegas trips. That's not even counting all the poker I played online in high school and college. But that blackjack calculation was wrong for sure. And I did preface it by saying you needed the capital. Plenty of people can stomach losing more than 40K in a sitting.
I don't think I've had a losing trip to Vegas since I've started playing poker, but that's grinding out a couple grand playing $2/$4, some $5/$10 and playing mid-stakes tourneys.
It seems like you are investing a ton of money to simply not go broke instead of trying to have a winning session.
If I'm reading it right, you only will ever win the minimum when up and could possibly lose thousands. Isn't it easier (and less risky) to simply set a loss floor and play a system that is likely to produce big wins?
Like I said above, I play the minimum when I lose and press bets when I win - which has resulted in a maximum loss of $200, but several sessions winning $500 or higher. And although the odds for blackjack are against you long-term, I'm up heavily overall
RE: If you insist of playing a system here's a good one Â
It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
I think it is the way you tried to explain it here... but I dont know what the fuck you are saying.
and it's usually the only game I play in Vegas (I go at least once a year for work - the construction industry loves Vegas). I've never been to Atlantic City and heard that folks go to AC to try to make money and others go to Vegas for fun so AC players are more likely to get mad if you "don't follow the rules". The way I look at it, I go to a table to have fun and never allow myself to lose more than I can afford. If I'm at a fun table with a good dealer (a good/fun dealer can make all the difference) and other fun players, it can be an enjoyable time and if I lose, I figure I could have spent the same amount of money on a show - it's an entertainment cost. I would recommend starting off at a low minimum table - there are some casinos that even have a $5 minimum during the day.
My very first experience playing blackjack: I was 22 and in Vegas over the summer (not tourist season) and it was during the day. I made it clear I was a novice and everyone at the table and the dealer were extraordinarily nice in helping me to learn the game, but I was losing. I was at a $5 table and down to my last $20. I got two eights and split them. Then I got threes on both eights and of course doubled-down on them (I think the dealer was showing a bust card). I wind up with a 18 and 19 and dealer ultimately gets 20 so I lose both hands. One of the other player tosses me a $20 chip and says, "That was a learning experience so try again." A total stranger gave me $20 to help me keep learning. I lost that, too, unfortunately, but it still an overall positive first experience.
and yes I played a lot of poker when I was younger. Not as much time for it anymore, I haven’t even been to Vegas in 4 years. I started in high school, for a moment I considered not going to college and just playing poker. One of the kids I played with turned pro and did well actually.
I wasn’t far from Vegas in college, sometimes my friends and I would go randomly. I took a few extended trips where I only played poker. It was never a bad thing to be up in blackjack before playing poker. I always found it easier to be unpredictable with that running start. You could say martindale helped me leverage my poker.
As for the doubling I just did it live and had a max hand loss. That was my system.
I also tend to stay on 16, Fatman. I know I'm sitting on a losing hand, but I still think it's better to be in the hand. I usually sit in the last seat and double every 8, 9 and 10 against a 6 or lower. Also double almost any soft against a 6 or lower
Never employed Martingale for blackjack since I usually play blackjack because I enjoy the game, the relaxed nature of the table, etc but I may try it next time.
I've used Martingale to success in sports betting and really loved the strategy of it.
Basically seems like a strategy where you put a lot of money on the 1-500 favorite, collecting your dollar for every win, but then coming up against that massive upset that takes away all the winnings.
When I've used the strategy to add a chip on after every win and only play the minimum after a loss, I rely on winning streaks to build a stack, and I can get 5 hand winning streaks. Sometimes they go much longer.
Using Martingale, it seems like a long losing streak would potentially cripple one, not to mention that the casino might not even let you place the bet to cover the loss.
Furthermore, you might have to bring a suitcase of cash to stem the tide.
Blackjack in the end was too much work for me. Played Vegas almost every day (maybe 10-12 total days on three trips several years ago and it always exhausted me. Did what Fat Man recommends at to table stakes (have to get in early or they raise the minimum). Nice dealers are sort of fun, but rare. Others just whip your ass without breaking a smile. Net: probably lost about $300. Memory may be dimming reality here. Switched to craps on last trip and enjoyed it more, but I know zero about the game. Still, with craps winnings, I came out ahead at the tables overall on these trips, but not by much.
I just don't believe people who say they're winners at blackjack over a long period of time. Or craps, or roulette.
Sure, for a night or a weekend. But casinos are in business because the odds are in their favor.
Learn how to play poker. If you get good, you can actually beat people there.
Unless you have the time and skill (and a big bankroll) to count cards in blackjack, craps has the best odds in the casino. You do have to learn the good bets from the bad in the game. But it's a much simpler game than it appears.
a gambler's best friend is the ability to walk away after a loss. The casino's best friend are people who think they can beat the house and stay in that chair until they do or they go broke.
If you play any casino game with a hard stop point, you limit your loss, but will have sessions where you inevitably win. But the free drinks. The glitz. The euphoria from getting a blackjack, they all contribute to keep people playing.
I don't even play table games anymore unless I'm with a group of friends who want to, I stick to the poker room, but the resolve to walk away when losing, even in poker, can turn a losing player into a winning one, especially in a game like blackjack where the house's edge is a lot thinner than say roulette.
Casinos have zero benefit to not taking your bet Â
disagree all you want but that part is ridiculous.
I still would double down that helps. And as I said I played 20 sometimes before my 5K experience. Also helped to have other gambling winnings. Felt like I wasn’t risking my money in martindale.
I get it isn’t for you but it is for some. And for me it was a great thing to play with friends and a great way to not lose money while spending time gambling with my friends. It was fun for all of us for me to do it.
RE: Casinos have zero benefit to not taking your bet Â
disagree all you want but that part is ridiculous.
I still would double down that helps. And as I said I played 20 sometimes before my 5K experience. Also helped to have other gambling winnings. Felt like I wasn’t risking my money in martindale.
I get it isn’t for you but it is for some. And for me it was a great thing to play with friends and a great way to not lose money while spending time gambling with my friends. It was fun for all of us for me to do it.
Forgive me if I think you are full of shit, if for nothing else than you can't even keep simple things straight. It's MartinGale not MartinDale. One is a betting system that is doomed to failure in the long term though can produce small wins in the short term, the other is a game show host.
ok mr. gambling investigator, i'm not a student of his. I literally googled doubling bets system at the start of the thread because I did not remember and I wanted to properly attribute the system to someone other than myself.
I think I was actually told of it originally as like a mathematical "paradox" that I also forgot the name of.
I've posted in poker threads over the years if you'd like to continue your investigation.
cripples you when you are on a losing streak, have doubled your bet a few times, and then get a perfect double-down or split opportunity and then either bet too much to capitalize on it, or go for it and lose that hand as well.
Hand 1: $10 lose
Hand 2: $20 lose
Hand 3: $40, get Aces and dealer has a 6. Obviously, you split, where you get AA, A6. So now you have to split again (A4, A5), and then double down on all three hands if you want to take advantage of your situation where you have the edge. This is a great opportunity for you!! Now you have three hands going at $80 a hand.
Hand 3a:$80 A4+K (15)
Hand 3b:$80) A5+4 (20)
hand 3c:$80 A6+2 (19)
Dealer goes 6,5,Q. 21.
So now, in just 3 deals using a $10 Martingale strategy, you've lose $270.
It's a good thing that happened on hand 3, because if it happened on Hand 4, you would be down $550.
And all of that was in under five minutes at a full table where you only sat down for $10!!
Martingale philosophy is fool's gold and in a casino, a fool and his money are soon parted.
I wouldn't use it for blackjack because it's not a pure game of chance like roulette or craps, it requires decisions to be made by you and other people.
My buddies system is he only bets black.
He starts out and bets $200. And every win he continues to bet $200.
Evey loss he doubles it, so when he eventually wins, he's not breaking even, he's winning the amount of his standard bet.
I've seen him have to get pit boss approval to exceed the table limit and bet $6400 on the spin of a roulette wheel (for standard 5k limit tables).
You would need 6 non-black spins in a row to lose, it happens, but rarely, but more importantly you need to have a lot of cash and balls of steel (or stupidity).
Or he has to go to the high roller tables (which he usually does anyway).
I tried his system with $100 instead of $200.
I lost spin one, I put down $200, I lost spin two, and said "i'm out" I value money too much to put $400 on the spin of a roulette wheel.
he gets rooms comped regularly and is a VIP at Mohegan Sun. I've seen him get cracked, but more often than not he leaves there up a few grand.
and again if you have the capital, which is what i've said from the start (like i'm saying especially in my case where I have won money in other forms of gambling) it's fine for me. Willy Wonka meme be damned. Also gambling is about having fun, this was fun for me when I was younger.
This was not my career, I wasn't looking for ideal statistical analysis or game theory, especially because like I said I just wanted to hang out with my friends and play black jack continuously. Even in poker you can calculate all the pot odds you want but you are still putting people on hands too. Good, again, it's not for you, but i'm no fool. There isn't a wrong way to gamble, there is only a right way, the way you want.
I know plenty of people that don't mind burning through 500 on a craps table per night and they consider that just a cost of playing and going to Vegas. Not everyone is even playing to win.
I wouldn't use it for blackjack because it's not a pure game of chance like roulette or craps, it requires decisions to be made by you and other people.
My buddies system is he only bets black.
He starts out and bets $200. And every win he continues to bet $200.
Evey loss he doubles it, so when he eventually wins, he's not breaking even, he's winning the amount of his standard bet.
I've seen him have to get pit boss approval to exceed the table limit and bet $6400 on the spin of a roulette wheel (for standard 5k limit tables).
You would need 6 non-black spins in a row to lose, it happens, but rarely, but more importantly you need to have a lot of cash and balls of steel (or stupidity).
Or he has to go to the high roller tables (which he usually does anyway).
I tried his system with $100 instead of $200.
I lost spin one, I put down $200, I lost spin two, and said "i'm out" I value money too much to put $400 on the spin of a roulette wheel.
he gets rooms comped regularly and is a VIP at Mohegan Sun. I've seen him get cracked, but more often than not he leaves there up a few grand.
Yes this is also a perk. I'm not here to brag. In fact i'm trying to avoid it but the casino detectives really want to take apart my case. He was asking for alternative ideas and again, I prefaced it by saying if you have the capital and discipline.
strategy was that you used it because winning money is fun even if the system takes the fun out of it.
My response is more of a PSA to those not familiar with it who think it's a sound strategy for making money.
But as YAJ said, Martingale is a way to go broke chasing $10 at a time (if that's the minimum bet).
It's Vegas, so the house always has an edge. But most people trade off that edge for the fun and adrenaline of playing.
But the Martingale strategy increases the size of your initial risk exponentially (when you are already disadvantaged) until you finally come close to breaking even (if you lose multiple hands in a row and then win, you're still down what you lost in those earlier hands), or lose so much that you can't afford or won't risk wagering twice as much as that. What people doing Martingale fail to consider is how often splitting and doubling happen, and how that only accelerates the pace of your play at the table.
some people like to play more fast and loose. I ended with I found it fun.
I don't double down when i'm down. And you can absolutely play the probabilities on your splits to be in your favor, especially if you know what's been played as I've said I have some aptitude for.
It's a great way to either go broke or win small amounts. It's just a matter of time until you take a massive loss. Casinos salivate when they see someone trying martingale.
Once you break a losing streak you are up the amount of your initial bet, you don't "lose" earlier hands.
In roulette for example, in my buddies case:
he bets $200 each initial bet, when he wins he continues with $200.
He doubles it after each loss.
So when he breaks a losing streak he wins $200.
Assume these are losses (the running amount he's down will be in parenthesis)
Spin 1: $200 (200)
Spin 2: $400 (600)
Spin 3: $800 (1400)
Spin 3: $1600 (3000)
Spin 4: $3200 ** win** he's now up $200 and he starts over his system of betting $200 each spin.
Not sure if NGD is doing something different, but as I understand it, martingale is flawless if you have enough money, enough balls, and don't hit a table limit - on the pure chance games like roulette.
Usually people run out of money or hit a table limit that prevents them from coming out ahead.
Once you break a losing streak you are up the amount of your initial bet, you don't "lose" earlier hands.
In roulette for example, in my buddies case:
he bets $200 each initial bet, when he wins he continues with $200.
He doubles it after each loss.
So when he breaks a losing streak he wins $200.
Assume these are losses (the running amount he's down will be in parenthesis)
Spin 1: $200 (200)
Spin 2: $400 (600)
Spin 3: $800 (1400)
Spin 3: $1600 (3000)
Spin 4: $3200 ** win** he's now up $200 and he starts over his system of betting $200 each spin.
Not sure if NGD is doing something different, but as I understand it, martingale is flawless if you have enough money, enough balls, and don't hit a table limit - on the pure chance games like roulette.
Usually people run out of money or hit a table limit that prevents them from coming out ahead.
How much does your buddy buy in at the table with? In your scenario, he would have had to have at least 6,200.
NGD would have had to have at least 10,230 for the time he got to the 5,120 bet and apparently have up to 40,950 since he's prepared to lose the 20K bet.
Once you break a losing streak you are up the amount of your initial bet, you don't "lose" earlier hands.
In roulette for example, in my buddies case:
he bets $200 each initial bet, when he wins he continues with $200.
He doubles it after each loss.
So when he breaks a losing streak he wins $200.
Assume these are losses (the running amount he's down will be in parenthesis)
Spin 1: $200 (200)
Spin 2: $400 (600)
Spin 3: $800 (1400)
Spin 3: $1600 (3000)
Spin 4: $3200 ** win** he's now up $200 and he starts over his system of betting $200 each spin.
Not sure if NGD is doing something different, but as I understand it, martingale is flawless if you have enough money, enough balls, and don't hit a table limit - on the pure chance games like roulette.
Usually people run out of money or hit a table limit that prevents them from coming out ahead.
How much does your buddy buy in at the table with? In your scenario, he would have had to have at least 6,200.
NGD would have had to have at least 10,230 for the time he got to the 5,120 bet and apparently have up to 40,950 since he's prepared to lose the 20K bet.
Not sure, I think he buys in $10k
RE: I said some and I was speaking more generally Â
some people like to play more fast and loose. I ended with I found it fun.
I don't double down when i'm down. And you can absolutely play the probabilities on your splits to be in your favor, especially if you know what's been played as I've said I have some aptitude for.
It's your money and you can obviously do whatever you want with it. But this doesn't really make sense to me.
So if you lose Hand 1, you'll double your wager on Hand 2. And if you lose Hand 2, you'll double your wager on Hand 3, etc. So you're willing to double your bet "the next hand" during a losing streak where you are going into that hand with no information and are a slight dog (house edge).
But you won't double your wager during a hand during a losing streak (by doubling down) where you have the edge over the house?
RE: RE: If you insist of playing a system here's a good one Â
It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
Did you just completely plagiarize the Labourchere System?
You're hilarious.
Don't be an idiot as you usually are. Where did I say I invented this system? Waiting...
RE: RE: I said some and I was speaking more generally Â
some people like to play more fast and loose. I ended with I found it fun.
I don't double down when i'm down. And you can absolutely play the probabilities on your splits to be in your favor, especially if you know what's been played as I've said I have some aptitude for.
It's your money and you can obviously do whatever you want with it. But this doesn't really make sense to me.
So if you lose Hand 1, you'll double your wager on Hand 2. And if you lose Hand 2, you'll double your wager on Hand 3, etc. So you're willing to double your bet "the next hand" during a losing streak where you are going into that hand with no information and are a slight dog (house edge).
But you won't double your wager during a hand during a losing streak (by doubling down) where you have the edge over the house?
Even if you double your wager, you never have an edge over the house from martindale or similar types of silly strategies. You're on a ticking clock until you take a HUGE loss.
Also, who the hell wants to carry $10K+ to a blackjack table to win $20 bets? It's asinine. What happens if you lose 7 hands in a row and then get a pair of 8s, and then two more 8s after that, you're going to be $40K in the hole or pass up massive amounts of +ev because you're over your bankroll.
The whole idea behind the system is ridiculous. Just keep making bigger double sized bets with negative EV until you win. LOL
whether you have the edge or not during a hand at the point of a double-down situation, the point remains that it is still the point during the game where you have your best chances of beating the house.
So it makes little sense to not be willing to double a wager in that case, but double the wager on the next hand when the odds are worse.
for "basic blackjack strategy card" and memorize as much as you can. It'll be more efficient to just study that than try to remember a bunch of odd tips you get on BBI.
People who get mad at moves made by other players at a blackjack table are idiots and likely have a gambling problem.
Good nature ribbing is fine, but I've seen people completely lose their shit and start cursing/yelling because some dude hits a 16 against a 5 and "takes" the crazy dude's card. Totally ruins any fun vibe.
This is the kind of thing that kills blackjack. I always wonder if the people who do this are gambling with the grocery money.
whether you have the edge or not during a hand at the point of a double-down situation, the point remains that it is still the point during the game where you have your best chances of beating the house.
So it makes little sense to not be willing to double a wager in that case, but double the wager on the next hand when the odds are worse.
I completely agree and was trying to make that point (looks like I didn't write it well).
RE: RE: RE: If you insist of playing a system here's a good one Â
It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
Did you just completely plagiarize the Labourchere System?
You're hilarious.
Don't be an idiot as you usually are. Where did I say I invented this system? Waiting...
Didn't say you invented it, you old fuck. But you definitely cut and pasted this from a website and tried to pass it off as your own.
You're an old, deluded troll cuck who gets called out constantly for Bullshit. You're pathetic.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If you insist of playing a system here's a good one Â
It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
Did you just completely plagiarize the Labourchere System?
You're hilarious.
Don't be an idiot as you usually are. Where did I say I invented this system? Waiting...
Didn't say you invented it, you old fuck. But you definitely cut and pasted this from a website and tried to pass it off as your own.
You're an old, deluded troll cuck who gets called out constantly for Bullshit. You're pathetic.
Wrong again Moosebreath. Go find the website where I cut and pasted it from.
I only hit 16 when the dealer is showing an ace and stay otherwise.
I double down on any 11 if the dealer doesn't have a 10 and I double down on any 10 if the dealer has 9 or less showing
People who get mad at moves made by other players at a blackjack table are idiots and likely have a gambling problem.
People who get mad at moves made by other players at a blackjack table are idiots and likely have a gambling problem.
Good nature ribbing is fine, but I've seen people completely lose their shit and start cursing/yelling because some dude hits a 16 against a 5 and "takes" the crazy dude's card. Totally ruins any fun vibe.
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You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Again, it does take some of the adrenaline / fun out of it. But winning money is also fun.
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for "basic blackjack strategy card" and memorize as much as you can. It'll be more efficient to just study that than try to remember a bunch of odd tips you get on BBI.
People who get mad at moves made by other players at a blackjack table are idiots and likely have a gambling problem.
Good nature ribbing is fine, but I've seen people completely lose their shit and start cursing/yelling because some dude hits a 16 against a 5 and "takes" the crazy dude's card. Totally ruins any fun vibe.
I don't play much. In fact, not in years, but if I do go to the casino I prefer craps. It's more friendly and bad players don't impact the table. They do in bj however. I'm not the type to start an argument at a table, but when I see someone splitting tens and other silly stuff I have to walk away before I get burned by their bad moves.
I only hit 16 when the dealer is showing an ace and stay otherwise.
I double down on any 11 if the dealer doesn't have a 10 and I double down on any 10 if the dealer has 9 or less showing
That doesn't make any sense. You're sitting on a losing hand.
You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Again, it does take some of the adrenaline / fun out of it. But winning money is also fun.
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The Martingale "system" is a system for going broke.
You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Again, it does take some of the adrenaline / fun out of it. But winning money is also fun.
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Casinos LOVE gamblers with your mindset.
NoGainDayne : 4:05 pm : link : reply
it changed my time in Vegas. It isn't even really complicated. You are using kind of oppositional psychology to increase your odds as the inclination is to bet more when you are up. This is how they "get you." It's not as fun and requires some capital but using it I come out winning more often than losing.
First off, I never have more than $200 to start and if I lose it, I lose it. I only play $10 or $15 tables. I bet the minimum and if I lose the hand, I bet the minimum again. If I win, I add $5 to the bet. And continue to do so until I lose. Then I bet the minimum again. And repeat.
I rarely play games of chance anymore and focus on poker, but over my lifetime of playing blackjack, I'm up slightly over $10K. That also includes sessions playing single hand where I count cards though.
I've heard the old saying that not hitting 16 against a 10 is a losing hand, but the math really isn't too strong either way on it.
also for a betting strategy. bet in units not money, press your bets after you win but double your bet
i bet 2, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc. if you keep winning, once you lose go back to 2 and start all over. you protect some of your winnings that way
So if you're at a $10 table, you bet $20, $20, $30, $40, $50 and keep pressing 1 unit as you win. once you lose go back to 20.
it works
also for a betting strategy. bet in units not money, press your bets after you win but double your bet
i bet 2, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc. if you keep winning, once you lose go back to 2 and start all over. you protect some of your winnings that way
But DONT double your bet each time....
So if you're at a $10 table, you bet $20, $20, $30, $40, $50 and keep pressing 1 unit as you win. once you lose go back to 20.
it works
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for "basic blackjack strategy card" and memorize as much as you can. It'll be more efficient to just study that than try to remember a bunch of odd tips you get on BBI.
People who get mad at moves made by other players at a blackjack table are idiots and likely have a gambling problem.
Good nature ribbing is fine, but I've seen people completely lose their shit and start cursing/yelling because some dude hits a 16 against a 5 and "takes" the crazy dude's card. Totally ruins any fun vibe.
I don't play much. In fact, not in years, but if I do go to the casino I prefer craps. It's more friendly and bad players don't impact the table. They do in bj however. I'm not the type to start an argument at a table, but when I see someone splitting tens and other silly stuff I have to walk away before I get burned by their bad moves.
You're just as likely to benefit by their bad moves as you are to get burned.
That said, it's your money and you can gamble it how you see fit.
I like to play in the fifth or sixth position so I can get a good view of the cards coming out of the shoe. Just a personal preference of mine, plus I can clock the other players quickly and find out if I need to get up. Takes me about two minutes to figure out if I want to stay.
Always ask the people sitting at the table if it's ok if you jump in. It's the polite thing to do. And if someone is on a serious heater, they don't want to fuck with the cards.
If you're doing well, be sure to tip your dealer.
If I'm on a heater, I will occasionally play the side bet. I played a few weeks ago and absolutely killed it playing that sucker bet when I was painting the table.
Don't be scared to hit on 16 - it's the right play if the dealer is showing a face card. Can't stand people who waffle back and forth. Just fucking hit!
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NoGainDayne : 4:05 pm : link : reply
it changed my time in Vegas. It isn't even really complicated. You are using kind of oppositional psychology to increase your odds as the inclination is to bet more when you are up. This is how they "get you." It's not as fun and requires some capital but using it I come out winning more often than losing.
First off, I never have more than $200 to start and if I lose it, I lose it. I only play $10 or $15 tables. I bet the minimum and if I lose the hand, I bet the minimum again. If I win, I add $5 to the bet. And continue to do so until I lose. Then I bet the minimum again. And repeat.
I rarely play games of chance anymore and focus on poker, but over my lifetime of playing blackjack, I'm up slightly over $10K. That also includes sessions playing single hand where I count cards though.
I've heard the old saying that not hitting 16 against a 10 is a losing hand, but the math really isn't too strong either way on it.
I have a similar system where I'll only gamble what I start with. I literally color my chips when I win and put them in my pocket. I don't touch them and I'll continue to bet with what is on the table. All my winnings are put away. I love to color out and find a couple handfuls of $50s and $100s when I'm ready to bounce.
I was winning so much a couple weeks ago, the pit boss came over and told the dealer not to color me out anymore for anything less then blacks. We got into an argument and I ended up getting a comped room from the floor boss. The PB shouldn't be telling people how to bet. Seen and not heard, lady.
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it changed my time in Vegas. It isn't even really complicated. You are using kind of oppositional psychology to increase your odds as the inclination is to bet more when you are up. This is how they "get you." It's not as fun and requires some capital but using it I come out winning more often than losing.
You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Again, it does take some of the adrenaline / fun out of it. But winning money is also fun.
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Casinos LOVE gamblers with your mindset.
Well other people must lack the discipline or capital. I've never lost big in all my years doing this. And i've one big a few times.
Sometimes I get bored and lose like under $100 because I just want to bet.
I don't play single deck unless I can get the other players at the table to turn their cards over while being dealt. If you can't see the cards then single deck is pointless.
I usually do not hit on 16. All things equal and without having the benefit if counting how many face cards have been dealt... There are more cards in a deck that will hurt you vs help you. In fact if the dealer is showing a low card I will often hold at 13 or 14 too.
I like playing at the lowest minimum table possible so I can reduce my bets if the dealer is on a run or I am not feeling lucky
I don't get pissed off when others hit or stay. The idea that someone else took your card or the dealer would have busted is bullshit. If you think it matters so much and you are such a blackjack expert then go get yourself a private table so you have nobody to blame but yourself when you lose everything.
You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Well other people must lack the discipline or capital. I've never lost big in all my years doing this. And i've one big a few times.
Sometimes I get bored and lose like under $100 because I just want to bet.
You’ve been fortunate. Eventually it’s going to bite you in the ass.
One problem: you’re ignoring that there’s not just a table minimum, but a table maximum. At a $10 table, that’s generally $1000. So you can’t mske that $1080 bet after your 7th loss. Much less continue after that if you got the bankroll.
Eventually you’re going to bust big.
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You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Well other people must lack the discipline or capital. I've never lost big in all my years doing this. And i've one big a few times.
Sometimes I get bored and lose like under $100 because I just want to bet.
You’ve been fortunate. Eventually it’s going to bite you in the ass.
One problem: you’re ignoring that there’s not just a table minimum, but a table maximum. At a $10 table, that’s generally $1000. So you can’t mske that $1080 bet after your 7th loss. Much less continue after that if you got the bankroll.
Eventually you’re going to bust big.
I've gone to $5,120 before starting at $20. Since then I've always started at $10, I want the extra multiple. You can always find someone to take the bet. I'd go to the $20,480 level and stop there considering I've made over $10K using this strategy that wouldn't be bad. When I started I said I would be alright losing $10K and my limit has gone up from winning.
And i'm ok with that. I've had many good trips to Vegas. If I ultimately switched from up $10K to down $10K i'd be fine. I'd stop playing, start fresh next trip and be willing to go up to 10K again. I don't play that much. I'd probably just be willing to stop if I lost the other $10K before recouping a lot of my losses.
I guess it's just about discipline. I understand the game i'm playing and what's at stake.
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
Did you just completely plagiarize the Labourchere System?
You're hilarious.
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You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Well other people must lack the discipline or capital. I've never lost big in all my years doing this. And i've one big a few times.
Sometimes I get bored and lose like under $100 because I just want to bet.
You’ve been fortunate. Eventually it’s going to bite you in the ass.
One problem: you’re ignoring that there’s not just a table minimum, but a table maximum. At a $10 table, that’s generally $1000. So you can’t mske that $1080 bet after your 7th loss. Much less continue after that if you got the bankroll.
Eventually you’re going to bust big.
I've gone to $5,120 before starting at $20. Since then I've always started at $10, I want the extra multiple. You can always find someone to take the bet. I'd go to the $20,480 level and stop there considering I've made over $10K using this strategy that wouldn't be bad. When I started I said I would be alright losing $10K and my limit has gone up from winning.
And i'm ok with that. I've had many good trips to Vegas. If I ultimately switched from up $10K to down $10K i'd be fine. I'd stop playing, start fresh next trip and be willing to go up to 10K again. I don't play that much. I'd probably just be willing to stop if I lost the other $10K before recouping a lot of my losses.
I guess it's just about discipline. I understand the game i'm playing and what's at stake.
If you start at $10 a hand, you end up with a net $10 win each time you win at the end of a series of hands doing the Martingale. You would have to run through 1000 sets of hands to win $10000. At 80 hands per hour, even being generous and giving you 40 resolved sets per hour, you'd still have to play for 25 hours to win $10K. You also should hit the 8 straight losses 6 times in that span.
Also, if you got to the 20,480 level and lost - you would have lost 40,950 in that series.
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You essentially bet the minimum or a standard amount for every hand when you are up. If you ever go down you keep doubling the amount you lost until you break even. The odds of losing 8 hands in a row are 1/173 (all things equal, better strategy can increase this) So if you start out with a $10 bet then go, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640, 1,080 that's all the capital you need to give you a high probability of not losing. And more money you can keep doubling and make it an even more minuscule chance.
Well other people must lack the discipline or capital. I've never lost big in all my years doing this. And i've one big a few times.
Sometimes I get bored and lose like under $100 because I just want to bet.
You’ve been fortunate. Eventually it’s going to bite you in the ass.
One problem: you’re ignoring that there’s not just a table minimum, but a table maximum. At a $10 table, that’s generally $1000. So you can’t mske that $1080 bet after your 7th loss. Much less continue after that if you got the bankroll.
Eventually you’re going to bust big.
I've gone to $5,120 before starting at $20. Since then I've always started at $10, I want the extra multiple. You can always find someone to take the bet. I'd go to the $20,480 level and stop there considering I've made over $10K using this strategy that wouldn't be bad. When I started I said I would be alright losing $10K and my limit has gone up from winning.
And i'm ok with that. I've had many good trips to Vegas. If I ultimately switched from up $10K to down $10K i'd be fine. I'd stop playing, start fresh next trip and be willing to go up to 10K again. I don't play that much. I'd probably just be willing to stop if I lost the other $10K before recouping a lot of my losses.
I guess it's just about discipline. I understand the game i'm playing and what's at stake.
If you start at $10 a hand, you end up with a net $10 win each time you win at the end of a series of hands doing the Martingale. You would have to run through 1000 sets of hands to win $10000. At 80 hands per hour, even being generous and giving you 40 resolved sets per hour, you'd still have to play for 25 hours to win $10K. You also should hit the 8 straight losses 6 times in that span.
Also, if you got to the 20,480 level and lost - you would have lost 40,950 in that series.
Lol yes. You are right. Your numbers on the winning are right too, anecdotally and in the experience as I remember it. Definitely bet $1,080 about that many times and with my highest being $5,120. And I've probably played more than 25 hours, maybe 40 is a good guess.
I always had the 20K figure as the most i'd be willing to lose in one hand. I guess i'm a little flip on that profit number because blackjack is what I play with my friends, poker is what I play if i'm trying to win. I could take a 30K hit in just blackjack and still be up in my Vegas trips. That's not even counting all the poker I played online in high school and college. But that blackjack calculation was wrong for sure. And I did preface it by saying you needed the capital. Plenty of people can stomach losing more than 40K in a sitting.
I also think the odds are a little more in my favor. I won't say I can count all the cards but I've been playing 2 suited hands in pinochle since middle school. I'm not flying blind.
I don't think I've had a losing trip to Vegas since I've started playing poker, but that's grinding out a couple grand playing $2/$4, some $5/$10 and playing mid-stakes tourneys.
It seems like you are investing a ton of money to simply not go broke instead of trying to have a winning session.
If I'm reading it right, you only will ever win the minimum when up and could possibly lose thousands. Isn't it easier (and less risky) to simply set a loss floor and play a system that is likely to produce big wins?
Like I said above, I play the minimum when I lose and press bets when I win - which has resulted in a maximum loss of $200, but several sessions winning $500 or higher. And although the odds for blackjack are against you long-term, I'm up heavily overall
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
I think it is the way you tried to explain it here... but I dont know what the fuck you are saying.
sure, I've seen them allow over the table max before, but I've also seen them put their foot down.
I'd hate to go place that large bet and have them step in and say "No dice".
My very first experience playing blackjack: I was 22 and in Vegas over the summer (not tourist season) and it was during the day. I made it clear I was a novice and everyone at the table and the dealer were extraordinarily nice in helping me to learn the game, but I was losing. I was at a $5 table and down to my last $20. I got two eights and split them. Then I got threes on both eights and of course doubled-down on them (I think the dealer was showing a bust card). I wind up with a 18 and 19 and dealer ultimately gets 20 so I lose both hands. One of the other player tosses me a $20 chip and says, "That was a learning experience so try again." A total stranger gave me $20 to help me keep learning. I lost that, too, unfortunately, but it still an overall positive first experience.
Have fun!
I wasn’t far from Vegas in college, sometimes my friends and I would go randomly. I took a few extended trips where I only played poker. It was never a bad thing to be up in blackjack before playing poker. I always found it easier to be unpredictable with that running start. You could say martindale helped me leverage my poker.
As for the doubling I just did it live and had a max hand loss. That was my system.
Never employed Martingale for blackjack since I usually play blackjack because I enjoy the game, the relaxed nature of the table, etc but I may try it next time.
I've used Martingale to success in sports betting and really loved the strategy of it.
Basically seems like a strategy where you put a lot of money on the 1-500 favorite, collecting your dollar for every win, but then coming up against that massive upset that takes away all the winnings.
When I've used the strategy to add a chip on after every win and only play the minimum after a loss, I rely on winning streaks to build a stack, and I can get 5 hand winning streaks. Sometimes they go much longer.
Using Martingale, it seems like a long losing streak would potentially cripple one, not to mention that the casino might not even let you place the bet to cover the loss.
Furthermore, you might have to bring a suitcase of cash to stem the tide.
I don't really get it.
Blackjack in the end was too much work for me. Played Vegas almost every day (maybe 10-12 total days on three trips several years ago and it always exhausted me. Did what Fat Man recommends at to table stakes (have to get in early or they raise the minimum). Nice dealers are sort of fun, but rare. Others just whip your ass without breaking a smile. Net: probably lost about $300. Memory may be dimming reality here. Switched to craps on last trip and enjoyed it more, but I know zero about the game. Still, with craps winnings, I came out ahead at the tables overall on these trips, but not by much.
Sure, for a night or a weekend. But casinos are in business because the odds are in their favor.
Learn how to play poker. If you get good, you can actually beat people there.
If you play any casino game with a hard stop point, you limit your loss, but will have sessions where you inevitably win. But the free drinks. The glitz. The euphoria from getting a blackjack, they all contribute to keep people playing.
I don't even play table games anymore unless I'm with a group of friends who want to, I stick to the poker room, but the resolve to walk away when losing, even in poker, can turn a losing player into a winning one, especially in a game like blackjack where the house's edge is a lot thinner than say roulette.
I still would double down that helps. And as I said I played 20 sometimes before my 5K experience. Also helped to have other gambling winnings. Felt like I wasn’t risking my money in martindale.
I get it isn’t for you but it is for some. And for me it was a great thing to play with friends and a great way to not lose money while spending time gambling with my friends. It was fun for all of us for me to do it.
I still would double down that helps. And as I said I played 20 sometimes before my 5K experience. Also helped to have other gambling winnings. Felt like I wasn’t risking my money in martindale.
I get it isn’t for you but it is for some. And for me it was a great thing to play with friends and a great way to not lose money while spending time gambling with my friends. It was fun for all of us for me to do it.
Forgive me if I think you are full of shit, if for nothing else than you can't even keep simple things straight. It's MartinGale not MartinDale. One is a betting system that is doomed to failure in the long term though can produce small wins in the short term, the other is a game show host.
I think I was actually told of it originally as like a mathematical "paradox" that I also forgot the name of.
I've posted in poker threads over the years if you'd like to continue your investigation.
Hand 1: $10 lose
Hand 2: $20 lose
Hand 3: $40, get Aces and dealer has a 6. Obviously, you split, where you get AA, A6. So now you have to split again (A4, A5), and then double down on all three hands if you want to take advantage of your situation where you have the edge. This is a great opportunity for you!! Now you have three hands going at $80 a hand.
Hand 3a:$80 A4+K (15)
Hand 3b:$80) A5+4 (20)
hand 3c:$80 A6+2 (19)
Dealer goes 6,5,Q. 21.
So now, in just 3 deals using a $10 Martingale strategy, you've lose $270.
It's a good thing that happened on hand 3, because if it happened on Hand 4, you would be down $550.
And all of that was in under five minutes at a full table where you only sat down for $10!!
Martingale philosophy is fool's gold and in a casino, a fool and his money are soon parted.
Are you that prepared to make a bet at 100x the size of your original bet in just five minutes at the table?
I wouldn't use it for blackjack because it's not a pure game of chance like roulette or craps, it requires decisions to be made by you and other people.
My buddies system is he only bets black.
He starts out and bets $200. And every win he continues to bet $200.
Evey loss he doubles it, so when he eventually wins, he's not breaking even, he's winning the amount of his standard bet.
I've seen him have to get pit boss approval to exceed the table limit and bet $6400 on the spin of a roulette wheel (for standard 5k limit tables).
You would need 6 non-black spins in a row to lose, it happens, but rarely, but more importantly you need to have a lot of cash and balls of steel (or stupidity).
Or he has to go to the high roller tables (which he usually does anyway).
I tried his system with $100 instead of $200.
I lost spin one, I put down $200, I lost spin two, and said "i'm out" I value money too much to put $400 on the spin of a roulette wheel.
he gets rooms comped regularly and is a VIP at Mohegan Sun. I've seen him get cracked, but more often than not he leaves there up a few grand.
This was not my career, I wasn't looking for ideal statistical analysis or game theory, especially because like I said I just wanted to hang out with my friends and play black jack continuously. Even in poker you can calculate all the pot odds you want but you are still putting people on hands too. Good, again, it's not for you, but i'm no fool. There isn't a wrong way to gamble, there is only a right way, the way you want.
I know plenty of people that don't mind burning through 500 on a craps table per night and they consider that just a cost of playing and going to Vegas. Not everyone is even playing to win.
I wouldn't use it for blackjack because it's not a pure game of chance like roulette or craps, it requires decisions to be made by you and other people.
My buddies system is he only bets black.
He starts out and bets $200. And every win he continues to bet $200.
Evey loss he doubles it, so when he eventually wins, he's not breaking even, he's winning the amount of his standard bet.
I've seen him have to get pit boss approval to exceed the table limit and bet $6400 on the spin of a roulette wheel (for standard 5k limit tables).
You would need 6 non-black spins in a row to lose, it happens, but rarely, but more importantly you need to have a lot of cash and balls of steel (or stupidity).
Or he has to go to the high roller tables (which he usually does anyway).
I tried his system with $100 instead of $200.
I lost spin one, I put down $200, I lost spin two, and said "i'm out" I value money too much to put $400 on the spin of a roulette wheel.
he gets rooms comped regularly and is a VIP at Mohegan Sun. I've seen him get cracked, but more often than not he leaves there up a few grand.
Yes this is also a perk. I'm not here to brag. In fact i'm trying to avoid it but the casino detectives really want to take apart my case. He was asking for alternative ideas and again, I prefaced it by saying if you have the capital and discipline.
My response is more of a PSA to those not familiar with it who think it's a sound strategy for making money.
But as YAJ said, Martingale is a way to go broke chasing $10 at a time (if that's the minimum bet).
It's Vegas, so the house always has an edge. But most people trade off that edge for the fun and adrenaline of playing.
But the Martingale strategy increases the size of your initial risk exponentially (when you are already disadvantaged) until you finally come close to breaking even (if you lose multiple hands in a row and then win, you're still down what you lost in those earlier hands), or lose so much that you can't afford or won't risk wagering twice as much as that. What people doing Martingale fail to consider is how often splitting and doubling happen, and how that only accelerates the pace of your play at the table.
I don't double down when i'm down. And you can absolutely play the probabilities on your splits to be in your favor, especially if you know what's been played as I've said I have some aptitude for.
Once you break a losing streak you are up the amount of your initial bet, you don't "lose" earlier hands.
In roulette for example, in my buddies case:
he bets $200 each initial bet, when he wins he continues with $200.
He doubles it after each loss.
So when he breaks a losing streak he wins $200.
Assume these are losses (the running amount he's down will be in parenthesis)
Spin 1: $200 (200)
Spin 2: $400 (600)
Spin 3: $800 (1400)
Spin 3: $1600 (3000)
Spin 4: $3200 ** win** he's now up $200 and he starts over his system of betting $200 each spin.
Not sure if NGD is doing something different, but as I understand it, martingale is flawless if you have enough money, enough balls, and don't hit a table limit - on the pure chance games like roulette.
Usually people run out of money or hit a table limit that prevents them from coming out ahead.
Once you break a losing streak you are up the amount of your initial bet, you don't "lose" earlier hands.
In roulette for example, in my buddies case:
he bets $200 each initial bet, when he wins he continues with $200.
He doubles it after each loss.
So when he breaks a losing streak he wins $200.
Assume these are losses (the running amount he's down will be in parenthesis)
Spin 1: $200 (200)
Spin 2: $400 (600)
Spin 3: $800 (1400)
Spin 3: $1600 (3000)
Spin 4: $3200 ** win** he's now up $200 and he starts over his system of betting $200 each spin.
Not sure if NGD is doing something different, but as I understand it, martingale is flawless if you have enough money, enough balls, and don't hit a table limit - on the pure chance games like roulette.
Usually people run out of money or hit a table limit that prevents them from coming out ahead.
How much does your buddy buy in at the table with? In your scenario, he would have had to have at least 6,200.
NGD would have had to have at least 10,230 for the time he got to the 5,120 bet and apparently have up to 40,950 since he's prepared to lose the 20K bet.
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works (at least as I understand it).
Once you break a losing streak you are up the amount of your initial bet, you don't "lose" earlier hands.
In roulette for example, in my buddies case:
he bets $200 each initial bet, when he wins he continues with $200.
He doubles it after each loss.
So when he breaks a losing streak he wins $200.
Assume these are losses (the running amount he's down will be in parenthesis)
Spin 1: $200 (200)
Spin 2: $400 (600)
Spin 3: $800 (1400)
Spin 3: $1600 (3000)
Spin 4: $3200 ** win** he's now up $200 and he starts over his system of betting $200 each spin.
Not sure if NGD is doing something different, but as I understand it, martingale is flawless if you have enough money, enough balls, and don't hit a table limit - on the pure chance games like roulette.
Usually people run out of money or hit a table limit that prevents them from coming out ahead.
How much does your buddy buy in at the table with? In your scenario, he would have had to have at least 6,200.
NGD would have had to have at least 10,230 for the time he got to the 5,120 bet and apparently have up to 40,950 since he's prepared to lose the 20K bet.
Not sure, I think he buys in $10k
I don't double down when i'm down. And you can absolutely play the probabilities on your splits to be in your favor, especially if you know what's been played as I've said I have some aptitude for.
It's your money and you can obviously do whatever you want with it. But this doesn't really make sense to me.
So if you lose Hand 1, you'll double your wager on Hand 2. And if you lose Hand 2, you'll double your wager on Hand 3, etc. So you're willing to double your bet "the next hand" during a losing streak where you are going into that hand with no information and are a slight dog (house edge).
But you won't double your wager during a hand during a losing streak (by doubling down) where you have the edge over the house?
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It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
Did you just completely plagiarize the Labourchere System?
You're hilarious.
Don't be an idiot as you usually are. Where did I say I invented this system? Waiting...
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some people like to play more fast and loose. I ended with I found it fun.
I don't double down when i'm down. And you can absolutely play the probabilities on your splits to be in your favor, especially if you know what's been played as I've said I have some aptitude for.
It's your money and you can obviously do whatever you want with it. But this doesn't really make sense to me.
So if you lose Hand 1, you'll double your wager on Hand 2. And if you lose Hand 2, you'll double your wager on Hand 3, etc. So you're willing to double your bet "the next hand" during a losing streak where you are going into that hand with no information and are a slight dog (house edge).
But you won't double your wager during a hand during a losing streak (by doubling down) where you have the edge over the house?
Even if you double your wager, you never have an edge over the house from martindale or similar types of silly strategies. You're on a ticking clock until you take a HUGE loss.
Also, who the hell wants to carry $10K+ to a blackjack table to win $20 bets? It's asinine. What happens if you lose 7 hands in a row and then get a pair of 8s, and then two more 8s after that, you're going to be $40K in the hole or pass up massive amounts of +ev because you're over your bankroll.
The whole idea behind the system is ridiculous. Just keep making bigger double sized bets with negative EV until you win. LOL
I've seen them do it a lot of times before, especially if one person at the table complains.
If the floor knows he can take a guy who has lost $4K from trying to eventually win it back, they most definitely can do that.
So it makes little sense to not be willing to double a wager in that case, but double the wager on the next hand when the odds are worse.
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for "basic blackjack strategy card" and memorize as much as you can. It'll be more efficient to just study that than try to remember a bunch of odd tips you get on BBI.
People who get mad at moves made by other players at a blackjack table are idiots and likely have a gambling problem.
Good nature ribbing is fine, but I've seen people completely lose their shit and start cursing/yelling because some dude hits a 16 against a 5 and "takes" the crazy dude's card. Totally ruins any fun vibe.
This is the kind of thing that kills blackjack. I always wonder if the people who do this are gambling with the grocery money.
So it makes little sense to not be willing to double a wager in that case, but double the wager on the next hand when the odds are worse.
I completely agree and was trying to make that point (looks like I didn't write it well).
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It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
Did you just completely plagiarize the Labourchere System?
You're hilarious.
Don't be an idiot as you usually are. Where did I say I invented this system? Waiting...
Didn't say you invented it, you old fuck. But you definitely cut and pasted this from a website and tried to pass it off as your own.
You're an old, deluded troll cuck who gets called out constantly for Bullshit. You're pathetic.
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It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.
Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.
In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"
Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.
Try it at home flipping a coin and see...
Did you just completely plagiarize the Labourchere System?
You're hilarious.
Don't be an idiot as you usually are. Where did I say I invented this system? Waiting...
Didn't say you invented it, you old fuck. But you definitely cut and pasted this from a website and tried to pass it off as your own.
You're an old, deluded troll cuck who gets called out constantly for Bullshit. You're pathetic.
Wrong again Moosebreath. Go find the website where I cut and pasted it from.
Waiting...
How about you get Fucking lost? No one wants you here bc you're always laughably wrong about everything. Waiting...