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LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/10/2018 3:53 pm
I don't want to read a 100 page book about blackjack ettiquete. Figured I'd get a few pointers from some of you guys on what to do/not do to piss off the other players at the table?

When to hit/not hit, dealer shows XX, etc.
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I have a friend who uses a modified  
pjcas18 : 10/11/2018 12:15 pm : link
version of Martingale for roulette.

I wouldn't use it for blackjack because it's not a pure game of chance like roulette or craps, it requires decisions to be made by you and other people.

My buddies system is he only bets black.

He starts out and bets $200. And every win he continues to bet $200.

Evey loss he doubles it, so when he eventually wins, he's not breaking even, he's winning the amount of his standard bet.

I've seen him have to get pit boss approval to exceed the table limit and bet $6400 on the spin of a roulette wheel (for standard 5k limit tables).

You would need 6 non-black spins in a row to lose, it happens, but rarely, but more importantly you need to have a lot of cash and balls of steel (or stupidity).

Or he has to go to the high roller tables (which he usually does anyway).
I tried his system with $100 instead of $200.

I lost spin one, I put down $200, I lost spin two, and said "i'm out" I value money too much to put $400 on the spin of a roulette wheel.

he gets rooms comped regularly and is a VIP at Mohegan Sun. I've seen him get cracked, but more often than not he leaves there up a few grand.

That is a very specific scenario  
NoGainDayne : 10/11/2018 12:17 pm : link
and again if you have the capital, which is what i've said from the start (like i'm saying especially in my case where I have won money in other forms of gambling) it's fine for me. Willy Wonka meme be damned. Also gambling is about having fun, this was fun for me when I was younger.

This was not my career, I wasn't looking for ideal statistical analysis or game theory, especially because like I said I just wanted to hang out with my friends and play black jack continuously. Even in poker you can calculate all the pot odds you want but you are still putting people on hands too. Good, again, it's not for you, but i'm no fool. There isn't a wrong way to gamble, there is only a right way, the way you want.

I know plenty of people that don't mind burning through 500 on a craps table per night and they consider that just a cost of playing and going to Vegas. Not everyone is even playing to win.
Sorry should modify the last part  
NoGainDayne : 10/11/2018 12:20 pm : link
everyone is playing to win. Not everyone is playing expecting to win.
RE: I have a friend who uses a modified  
NoGainDayne : 10/11/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14119094 pjcas18 said:
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version of Martingale for roulette.

I wouldn't use it for blackjack because it's not a pure game of chance like roulette or craps, it requires decisions to be made by you and other people.

My buddies system is he only bets black.

He starts out and bets $200. And every win he continues to bet $200.

Evey loss he doubles it, so when he eventually wins, he's not breaking even, he's winning the amount of his standard bet.

I've seen him have to get pit boss approval to exceed the table limit and bet $6400 on the spin of a roulette wheel (for standard 5k limit tables).

You would need 6 non-black spins in a row to lose, it happens, but rarely, but more importantly you need to have a lot of cash and balls of steel (or stupidity).

Or he has to go to the high roller tables (which he usually does anyway).
I tried his system with $100 instead of $200.

I lost spin one, I put down $200, I lost spin two, and said "i'm out" I value money too much to put $400 on the spin of a roulette wheel.

he gets rooms comped regularly and is a VIP at Mohegan Sun. I've seen him get cracked, but more often than not he leaves there up a few grand.


Yes this is also a perk. I'm not here to brag. In fact i'm trying to avoid it but the casino detectives really want to take apart my case. He was asking for alternative ideas and again, I prefaced it by saying if you have the capital and discipline.
your original post about the Martingale  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2018 12:32 pm : link
strategy was that you used it because winning money is fun even if the system takes the fun out of it.

My response is more of a PSA to those not familiar with it who think it's a sound strategy for making money.
But as YAJ said, Martingale is a way to go broke chasing $10 at a time (if that's the minimum bet).

It's Vegas, so the house always has an edge. But most people trade off that edge for the fun and adrenaline of playing.

But the Martingale strategy increases the size of your initial risk exponentially (when you are already disadvantaged) until you finally come close to breaking even (if you lose multiple hands in a row and then win, you're still down what you lost in those earlier hands), or lose so much that you can't afford or won't risk wagering twice as much as that. What people doing Martingale fail to consider is how often splitting and doubling happen, and how that only accelerates the pace of your play at the table.



I said some and I was speaking more generally  
NoGainDayne : 10/11/2018 12:43 pm : link
some people like to play more fast and loose. I ended with I found it fun.

I don't double down when i'm down. And you can absolutely play the probabilities on your splits to be in your favor, especially if you know what's been played as I've said I have some aptitude for.
OP, please don't do martingale betting  
Metnut : 10/11/2018 12:44 pm : link
It's a great way to either go broke or win small amounts. It's just a matter of time until you take a massive loss. Casinos salivate when they see someone trying martingale.
That's not how martingale  
pjcas18 : 10/11/2018 12:46 pm : link
works (at least as I understand it).

Once you break a losing streak you are up the amount of your initial bet, you don't "lose" earlier hands.

In roulette for example, in my buddies case:

he bets $200 each initial bet, when he wins he continues with $200.

He doubles it after each loss.

So when he breaks a losing streak he wins $200.

Assume these are losses (the running amount he's down will be in parenthesis)
Spin 1: $200 (200)
Spin 2: $400 (600)
Spin 3: $800 (1400)
Spin 3: $1600 (3000)
Spin 4: $3200 ** win** he's now up $200 and he starts over his system of betting $200 each spin.

Not sure if NGD is doing something different, but as I understand it, martingale is flawless if you have enough money, enough balls, and don't hit a table limit - on the pure chance games like roulette.

Usually people run out of money or hit a table limit that prevents them from coming out ahead.
RE: That's not how martingale  
YAJ2112 : 10/11/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14119155 pjcas18 said:
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works (at least as I understand it).

Once you break a losing streak you are up the amount of your initial bet, you don't "lose" earlier hands.

In roulette for example, in my buddies case:

he bets $200 each initial bet, when he wins he continues with $200.

He doubles it after each loss.

So when he breaks a losing streak he wins $200.

Assume these are losses (the running amount he's down will be in parenthesis)
Spin 1: $200 (200)
Spin 2: $400 (600)
Spin 3: $800 (1400)
Spin 3: $1600 (3000)
Spin 4: $3200 ** win** he's now up $200 and he starts over his system of betting $200 each spin.

Not sure if NGD is doing something different, but as I understand it, martingale is flawless if you have enough money, enough balls, and don't hit a table limit - on the pure chance games like roulette.

Usually people run out of money or hit a table limit that prevents them from coming out ahead.


How much does your buddy buy in at the table with? In your scenario, he would have had to have at least 6,200.

NGD would have had to have at least 10,230 for the time he got to the 5,120 bet and apparently have up to 40,950 since he's prepared to lose the 20K bet.
pjcas  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2018 1:16 pm : link
ignore that part in my post. Brainfart.


RE: RE: That's not how martingale  
pjcas18 : 10/11/2018 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14119215 YAJ2112 said:
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In comment 14119155 pjcas18 said:


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works (at least as I understand it).

Once you break a losing streak you are up the amount of your initial bet, you don't "lose" earlier hands.

In roulette for example, in my buddies case:

he bets $200 each initial bet, when he wins he continues with $200.

He doubles it after each loss.

So when he breaks a losing streak he wins $200.

Assume these are losses (the running amount he's down will be in parenthesis)
Spin 1: $200 (200)
Spin 2: $400 (600)
Spin 3: $800 (1400)
Spin 3: $1600 (3000)
Spin 4: $3200 ** win** he's now up $200 and he starts over his system of betting $200 each spin.

Not sure if NGD is doing something different, but as I understand it, martingale is flawless if you have enough money, enough balls, and don't hit a table limit - on the pure chance games like roulette.

Usually people run out of money or hit a table limit that prevents them from coming out ahead.



How much does your buddy buy in at the table with? In your scenario, he would have had to have at least 6,200.

NGD would have had to have at least 10,230 for the time he got to the 5,120 bet and apparently have up to 40,950 since he's prepared to lose the 20K bet.

Not sure, I think he buys in $10k
RE: I said some and I was speaking more generally  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14119149 NoGainDayne said:
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some people like to play more fast and loose. I ended with I found it fun.

I don't double down when i'm down. And you can absolutely play the probabilities on your splits to be in your favor, especially if you know what's been played as I've said I have some aptitude for.


It's your money and you can obviously do whatever you want with it. But this doesn't really make sense to me.

So if you lose Hand 1, you'll double your wager on Hand 2. And if you lose Hand 2, you'll double your wager on Hand 3, etc. So you're willing to double your bet "the next hand" during a losing streak where you are going into that hand with no information and are a slight dog (house edge).

But you won't double your wager during a hand during a losing streak (by doubling down) where you have the edge over the house?
RE: RE: If you insist of playing a system here's a good one  
Stan in LA : 10/11/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14118319 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14118165 Stan in LA said:


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It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.

Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:

5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5

Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.

In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"

Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.

Try it at home flipping a coin and see...



Did you just completely plagiarize the Labourchere System?

You're hilarious.


Don't be an idiot as you usually are. Where did I say I invented this system? Waiting...
RE: RE: I said some and I was speaking more generally  
Metnut : 10/11/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14119256 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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In comment 14119149 NoGainDayne said:


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some people like to play more fast and loose. I ended with I found it fun.

I don't double down when i'm down. And you can absolutely play the probabilities on your splits to be in your favor, especially if you know what's been played as I've said I have some aptitude for.



It's your money and you can obviously do whatever you want with it. But this doesn't really make sense to me.

So if you lose Hand 1, you'll double your wager on Hand 2. And if you lose Hand 2, you'll double your wager on Hand 3, etc. So you're willing to double your bet "the next hand" during a losing streak where you are going into that hand with no information and are a slight dog (house edge).

But you won't double your wager during a hand during a losing streak (by doubling down) where you have the edge over the house?


Even if you double your wager, you never have an edge over the house from martindale or similar types of silly strategies. You're on a ticking clock until you take a HUGE loss.

Also, who the hell wants to carry $10K+ to a blackjack table to win $20 bets? It's asinine. What happens if you lose 7 hands in a row and then get a pair of 8s, and then two more 8s after that, you're going to be $40K in the hole or pass up massive amounts of +ev because you're over your bankroll.

The whole idea behind the system is ridiculous. Just keep making bigger double sized bets with negative EV until you win. LOL
And keep in mind..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2018 1:52 pm : link
that the floor can refuse to take a bet over the table limit.

I've seen them do it a lot of times before, especially if one person at the table complains.

If the floor knows he can take a guy who has lost $4K from trying to eventually win it back, they most definitely can do that.
Metnut  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/11/2018 1:55 pm : link
whether you have the edge or not during a hand at the point of a double-down situation, the point remains that it is still the point during the game where you have your best chances of beating the house.

So it makes little sense to not be willing to double a wager in that case, but double the wager on the next hand when the odds are worse.
RE: RE: Do a google search  
TJ : 10/11/2018 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14117968 Metnut said:
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In comment 14117965 Metnut said:


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for "basic blackjack strategy card" and memorize as much as you can. It'll be more efficient to just study that than try to remember a bunch of odd tips you get on BBI.

People who get mad at moves made by other players at a blackjack table are idiots and likely have a gambling problem.



Good nature ribbing is fine, but I've seen people completely lose their shit and start cursing/yelling because some dude hits a 16 against a 5 and "takes" the crazy dude's card. Totally ruins any fun vibe.


This is the kind of thing that kills blackjack. I always wonder if the people who do this are gambling with the grocery money.
RE: Metnut  
Metnut : 10/11/2018 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14119313 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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whether you have the edge or not during a hand at the point of a double-down situation, the point remains that it is still the point during the game where you have your best chances of beating the house.

So it makes little sense to not be willing to double a wager in that case, but double the wager on the next hand when the odds are worse.


I completely agree and was trying to make that point (looks like I didn't write it well).

RE: RE: RE: If you insist of playing a system here's a good one  
B in ALB : 10/11/2018 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14119262 Stan in LA said:
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In comment 14118319 B in ALB said:


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In comment 14118165 Stan in LA said:


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It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.

Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:

5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5

Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.

In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"

Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.

Try it at home flipping a coin and see...



Did you just completely plagiarize the Labourchere System?

You're hilarious.



Don't be an idiot as you usually are. Where did I say I invented this system? Waiting...


Didn't say you invented it, you old fuck. But you definitely cut and pasted this from a website and tried to pass it off as your own.

You're an old, deluded troll cuck who gets called out constantly for Bullshit. You're pathetic.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If you insist of playing a system here's a good one  
Stan in LA : 10/11/2018 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14119393 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14119262 Stan in LA said:


Quote:


In comment 14118319 B in ALB said:


Quote:


In comment 14118165 Stan in LA said:


Quote:


It's short term of course but have never lost with it(used it maybe a dozen times) and some dealer's have said it's pretty good.

Start with a series of numbers, say 5's. Look like this:

5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5

Bet the 2 outside numbers every bet. If you win cross off those numbers. If you lose add the loss(in this case 10) to the number series. Over time you will be crossing out 2 numbers when you win and only adding 1 when you lose. In a 50-50 bet eventually you will cross out all the numbers and you will win the total of the original numbers. At that point either quit or start another series.

In the short term, you will usually win always win without risk associated the double your bet system advocated above. In practice, in addition to the dealers liking it above, a couple of pit bosses liked it as well and even said kiddingly, "Don't you think it's time to go now?"

Of course, over time you will hit that 'lose a whole bunch in a row' streak, but I haven't yet because I usually quit after a few series.

Try it at home flipping a coin and see...



Did you just completely plagiarize the Labourchere System?

You're hilarious.



Don't be an idiot as you usually are. Where did I say I invented this system? Waiting...



Didn't say you invented it, you old fuck. But you definitely cut and pasted this from a website and tried to pass it off as your own.

You're an old, deluded troll cuck who gets called out constantly for Bullshit. You're pathetic.

Wrong again Moosebreath. Go find the website where I cut and pasted it from.

Waiting...
It was a pdf  
B in ALB : 10/11/2018 7:49 pm : link
from a university study on probability.

How about you get Fucking lost? No one wants you here bc you're always laughably wrong about everything. Waiting...
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