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Ereck Flowers is set to visit Jacksonville

Jay on the Island : 10/10/2018 5:17 pm
When word broke Monday that the Giants were going to trade or release tackle Ereck Flowers, the trade option wasn’t taken too seriously given the $1.69 million Flowers was still set to make this season under the terms of his rookie deal with the Giants.

That proved to be the right reaction as Flowers wound up on the waiver wire Tuesday. That contract would have moved to any team that claimed him off of waivers, so there’s equally little surprise to hear multiple reports that Flowers cleared waivers on Wednesday.

At a lower price, there is reportedly interest in his services. Adam Schefter of ESPN reports multiple teams have reached out to Flowers and that he is set to visit the Jaguars on Thursday.
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Coach and Coach Killer reunited  
ghost718 : 10/10/2018 10:10 pm : link
like peas and carrots
Why would anyone think that Flowers will develop into a premier LT  
GeofromNJ : 10/10/2018 10:25 pm : link
with Jacksonville, or any other team? Will his clumsy footwork improve by orders of magnitude? Will he ultimately be able to anticipate the feints and moves of defensive linemen and be quick enough to react appropriately? I kinda doubt it. I also have my doubts that he will become a dedicated student of the game and a film enthusiast. In short, the selection remains a mistake and a monumental reach whether it was a Reese call or a joint Reese/Coughlin pick.
RE: Here....  
widmerseyebrow : 10/11/2018 12:55 am : link
In comment 14118121 Britt in VA said:
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Pat Flaherty, the offensive line coach for two Giants Super Bowl-winning teams, was fired mostly because he could not get through to Flowers, which was a disgrace and sent an awful message.



From three weeks ago...
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And Gilbride was fired because he couldn't "get through" to Reuben Randal and Jerrel Jernigan, two more losers.
LOL  
Leg of Theismann : 10/11/2018 3:10 am : link
So many saying that this ruins Coughlin’s credibility. Right, just one visit from Flowers indicates that Coughlin does not have an eye for talent and in fact the Jaguars are not a supremely talented team. The fact they almost went to the Super Bowl last year was actually just a mirage.
I avoided this thread today for some reason  
Mike from SI : 10/11/2018 3:36 am : link
but people are on here stanning for Ereck Flowers? Wtf is going on? It was a not-so-well-kept secret that the rest of the OL didn't like him. The guy will, at the very best, be a serviceable tackle or maybe a better-than-average guard, but the chances of that are very low.
RE: LOL  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 7:02 am : link
In comment 14118503 Leg of Theismann said:
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So many saying that this ruins Coughlin’s credibility. Right, just one visit from Flowers indicates that Coughlin does not have an eye for talent and in fact the Jaguars are not a supremely talented team. The fact they almost went to the Super Bowl last year was actually just a mirage.


Right, because the rest of our roster was in such good shape, other than Flowers.
This was my..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2018 8:57 am : link
take as well:

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I avoided this thread today for some reason
Mike from SI : 3:36 am : link : reply
but people are on here stanning for Ereck Flowers? Wtf is going on? It was a not-so-well-kept secret that the rest of the OL didn't like him


Years of losing have made some posters just go nuts with shitting on the team over every move.

You can turn over half a roster, jettison a bunch of guys who were roundly criticized for playing like crap and having poor attitudes, bring in new pieces of the Front Office and coaching staff and you'll have people acting like keeping Eli and hiring Gettleman is the "Mara way" of keeping things status quo.

To the point that some of these fuckers are acting like Flowers is a pawn or fall guy.
RE: This was my..  
Big Blue '56 : 10/11/2018 9:10 am : link
In comment 14118603 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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take as well:



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I avoided this thread today for some reason
Mike from SI : 3:36 am : link : reply
but people are on here stanning for Ereck Flowers? Wtf is going on? It was a not-so-well-kept secret that the rest of the OL didn't like him



Years of losing have made some posters just go nuts with shitting on the team over every move.

You can turn over half a roster, jettison a bunch of guys who were roundly criticized for playing like crap and having poor attitudes, bring in new pieces of the Front Office and coaching staff and you'll have people acting like keeping Eli and hiring Gettleman is the "Mara way" of keeping things status quo.

To the point that some of these fuckers are acting like Flowers is a pawn or fall guy.


Get this straight, buster! The ONLY reason Shurmur was hired because he promised Mara he would keep Eli and not draft a first round QB!
RE: LOL  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2018 9:36 am : link
In comment 14118503 Leg of Theismann said:
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So many saying that this ruins Coughlin’s credibility. Right, just one visit from Flowers indicates that Coughlin does not have an eye for talent and in fact the Jaguars are not a supremely talented team. The fact they almost went to the Super Bowl last year was actually just a mirage.


Most of their talent was there before Coughlin was hired.
RE: I avoided this thread today for some reason  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2018 9:39 am : link
In comment 14118504 Mike from SI said:
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but people are on here stanning for Ereck Flowers? Wtf is going on? It was a not-so-well-kept secret that the rest of the OL didn't like him. The guy will, at the very best, be a serviceable tackle or maybe a better-than-average guard, but the chances of that are very low.


a)what the hell does stanning mean?

b)This isn't a comment on Flowers so much as it is the notion, heavily pushed by some, that poor St. Tommy had Flowers, a player he didn't want, foisted on him by Emmanuel Goldstein Reese. Which is pretty well blown up by Coughlin's Jaguars bringing in Flowers for a look.
RE: I avoided this thread today for some reason  
jcn56 : 10/11/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 14118504 Mike from SI said:
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but people are on here stanning for Ereck Flowers? Wtf is going on? It was a not-so-well-kept secret that the rest of the OL didn't like him. The guy will, at the very best, be a serviceable tackle or maybe a better-than-average guard, but the chances of that are very low.


He's actually a pretty bad player - that nobody is debating, and nobody is standing up for him.

The thread turned because someone that for years has been used to exonerate TC/Flaherty, someone who was entirely the responsibility of Reese and Ross, is now headed down to Jax to try out. The main point is people still don't get that the whole thing needed to be torn down, that neither the coaching nor the FO were getting the job done anymore and everyone needed to go.

That should have included an overhaul of the scouting department and someone with a new perspective coming in. Instead, we got back a guy who had been here for a very long time, and most of our scouts were retained. To paraphrase Parcells, we have the same people picking the groceries, but we're expecting better meals.

Meanwhile, BBI has devolved into two camps - people who are fed up with all the losing, and people who snicker at them. And the trolls, but those guys were always here. Not fun times, but then again, when you're 1-4 and not looking good, that's how it is.
.It wasn't one player....  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 9:44 am : link
that people said was foisted on him, it was a sieve of a line.

It was a failure to a. address the o line concerns early enough, and b. not adequately rebuilding it going on five years.
That was in response to Greg's b.  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 9:45 am : link
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Oh, and by the way...  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 9:46 am : link
Flowers DID have his best season under Coughlin and Flaherty.
Did they sign him  
section125 : 10/11/2018 9:54 am : link
or let him walk?
RE: Did they sign him  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 14118736 section125 said:
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or let him walk?


I think he's visiting today.
Flowers  
crick n NC : 10/11/2018 10:16 am : link
Didn't make it to Jax, he had his head down the whole way there and got lost
RE: RE: Did they sign him  
section125 : 10/11/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 14118747 Britt in VA said:
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or let him walk?



I think he's visiting today.


I'll be waiting with bated breath.....
maybe  
spike : 10/11/2018 10:18 am : link
he can sign with th e hurricane
RE: .It wasn't one player....  
jcn56 : 10/11/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 14118706 Britt in VA said:
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that people said was foisted on him, it was a sieve of a line.

It was a failure to a. address the o line concerns early enough, and b. not adequately rebuilding it going on five years.


And here we are, you continue to believe that TC and Flaherty, who deserve all the credit for when the line was performing well during the early years of the SB run, somehow deserve none of the blame for when it all went downhill.

Because you figure TC/Flaherty didn't have any input as to whether they should retain Diehl/Snee, whether they should have signed Baas, or drafted Flowers.

But here we are, with the guy that supposedly had a fight with Flaherty in his rookie season (and was the reason Flaherty was fired for 'not being able to get through to him'), is bringing him in for a tryout today.
Good luck Ereck.  
Beezer : 10/11/2018 10:26 am : link
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TOLD YA SO! Flowers was a Coughlin pick  
TD : 10/11/2018 10:39 am : link
This just confirms what was already obvious.

Of course, the St. Coughlin crowd will perpetuate the narrative thst all good things that happened in the past 12 years were Coughlin’s doing and all bad things were Reese’s doing.

Sorry to bust your narrative but Coughlin was both a part of our success and a part of the failure. His in-game coaching flat sucked the last two years and cost us 3-4 wins and a possible playoff berth the last year, and YES, he did have a hand in the bad personnel decisions.
RE: RE: .It wasn't one player....  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 14118811 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14118706 Britt in VA said:


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that people said was foisted on him, it was a sieve of a line.

It was a failure to a. address the o line concerns early enough, and b. not adequately rebuilding it going on five years.



And here we are, you continue to believe that TC and Flaherty, who deserve all the credit for when the line was performing well during the early years of the SB run, somehow deserve none of the blame for when it all went downhill.

Because you figure TC/Flaherty didn't have any input as to whether they should retain Diehl/Snee, whether they should have signed Baas, or drafted Flowers.

But here we are, with the guy that supposedly had a fight with Flaherty in his rookie season (and was the reason Flaherty was fired for 'not being able to get through to him'), is bringing him in for a tryout today.


And here we are again, too.... Where you imply a lot of thing with basically no evidence, just like everything else on this thread, and then I come back with quotes from Kevin Gilbride that he went to Reese as early as 2009 with concerns over the decaying O-line only to have them dismissed...

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“Back in 2009 I started to argue that the line was getting old and 2010 we were getting beat up, we were still winning because we were still good enough. In 2011 even when we won the Super Bowl there were multiple guys getting hurt and banged up, and by 2012 we went 9-7 but we were hanging on by dear life,” Gilbride said. “We were hanging onto that windowsill with our fingernails. When 2013 happened and there were six different starters at running back, three different at right guard, four different at center, three at left guard. That stuff’s been going on for a while now.

“This isn’t just an overnight thing. People are acting like this just happened. This has been a buildup that needed to be addressed for a while.”


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Kevin Gilbride has absolutely no reason to misrepresent anything  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2018 10:57 am : link
None whatsoever. Every word he says should be taken as gospel truth.
As opposed to Greg and jcn?  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 10:58 am : link
Yeah, I'd say it has a little more weight.
Again...  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 11:00 am : link
you talk and talk and talk...

Whether you choose to believe it or not, I have provided quote after quote after quote from people that were there, that lived it, that are qualified to have an educated opinion on that matter....

All dismissed. Even funnier, I get accused of bending "facts".

Where are your "facts"?
Kevin Gilbride's quotes are "facts"?  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2018 11:01 am : link
Interesting definition of the word.
I'm not the one that brought up "facts".  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 11:02 am : link
I was accused of bending them.
However, quotes from coaches and players are about as close....  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 11:03 am : link
to any sort of facts that we could ever have in this discussion.
the one absolute fact here is that Jacksonville is bringing Flowers in  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2018 11:04 am : link
for a look. That's indisputable. If, as some claim, Flowers was all Reese's fault and Coughlin had no input into his selection, then it's kind of strange for his very first workout to be with the team Coughlin works for.

IOW, same old story for Tom Coughlin - all of the credit for the Giants' successes, none of the blame for their failures.
All I know, Greg....  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 11:10 am : link
is the Giants have done everything you've wanted them to do, almost to the t....

Fired Gilbride, fired Coughlin, fired Flaherty, let Jerry Reese stay on and pick his own coach and gave him 200 million to spend on the roster...

It all was a complete failure.
Meanwhile,  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 11:11 am : link
Coughlin and Flaherty have landed just fine down in Jacksonville...

and McAdoo and Reese are... where?
RE: All I know, Greg....  
jcn56 : 10/11/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 14118940 Britt in VA said:
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is the Giants have done everything you've wanted them to do, almost to the t....

Fired Gilbride, fired Coughlin, fired Flaherty, let Jerry Reese stay on and pick his own coach and gave him 200 million to spend on the roster...

It all was a complete failure.


Of course it was - the results are obvious.

Did they really have another way to go, though? Either way - what had been working wasn't anymore, and it needed to change.
RE: Meanwhile,  
jcn56 : 10/11/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 14118941 Britt in VA said:
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Coughlin and Flaherty have landed just fine down in Jacksonville...

and McAdoo and Reese are... where?


Where was Coughlin for the season after he was fired? Not Jacksonville. You're going to need to wait a bit before you can use that one.
I wanted Reese fired along with Coughlin, so, no  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2018 11:14 am : link
And, again, no matter what glad-handing bullshit Shad Khan says in a puff piece, most of Jacksonville's talent was in place the day he hired Coughlin.
Kahn said he gave full control to Coughlin over the entire roster....  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 11:16 am : link
and didn't care if it hurt the feelings or egos of the GM and Coach.

That is not a puff quote.
Btw, jcn is a terrific poster with loads of credibility through  
Big Blue '56 : 10/11/2018 11:16 am : link
the years. He is frustrated. And, he’s angry. Yes, he was not happy that we took Barkley over the other QBs albeit he thinks SB is a terrific talent.

I’ve disagreed OF LATE with his POVs, but he’s always a must read for me. Most of this board should be as “bad” as he is.
But again....  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 11:17 am : link
Actual quotes from the owners, coaches, and players involved are not admissible here.
That's swell  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2018 11:18 am : link
Still doesn't erase the fact that most of the starting lineup predates Coughlin.
I know, I know....  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 11:21 am : link
the owner said "I give Tom Coughlin full credit for this team's turnaround", but Greg says no.
Sorry Tom, no soup for you.  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 11:22 am : link
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He can say whatever he wants  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2018 11:23 am : link
Doesn't mean it's true, or that Shad Khan knows his asshole from his elbow when it comes to football, but hey, self-serving quotes are always good enough for Britt.
But your opinion does hold weight in comparison?  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2018 11:25 am : link
?
RE: RE: LOL  
HomerJones45 : 10/11/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 14118685 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14118503 Leg of Theismann said:


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So many saying that this ruins Coughlin’s credibility. Right, just one visit from Flowers indicates that Coughlin does not have an eye for talent and in fact the Jaguars are not a supremely talented team. The fact they almost went to the Super Bowl last year was actually just a mirage.



Most of their talent was there before Coughlin was hired.
Yeah, supremely talented team that hadn't had won more than 5 games in a season in 6 years. Won 3 games the year before. Yep tons of talent.

Nothing to see here. Flowers, a former multi-year starter and #9 pick in the draft being brought in for due diligence by a team down to its 3rd string LT. Same being done by other teams who are bringing Flowers in. They signed Nassib for a week too. Of course, won't prevent the Gang that Couldn't Shoot Straight here from proposing a narrative attempting to justify the foolishness of their failed prescriptions for team improvement.
Some of the people now shitting on Reese  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/11/2018 11:42 am : link
are the same people who were defending him all the way up until 0-4 last year.

Just saying.
RE: Meanwhile,  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/11/2018 11:43 am : link
In comment 14118941 Britt in VA said:
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Coughlin and Flaherty have landed just fine down in Jacksonville...

and McAdoo and Reese are... where?


Reese us rich AF. He was a scout for us for like 20 years before he became the GM.

He has 2 rings, and really has no need to be a GM ever again.

The time commitment involved in being a GM is taxing on the family conditions as well.

I'm pretty sure he even said he would be taking a year off after he was canned.

Not everyone is Tom Coughlin and wants to work to the day they die.
RE: Some of the people now shitting on Reese  
Jay on the Island : 10/11/2018 11:47 am : link
In comment 14119021 Dave in Hoboken said:
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are the same people who were defending him all the way up until 0-4 last year.

Just saying.

I defended him up until Coughlin was fired. I thought Reese should have been let go when Coughlin was fired but the Giants made a huge mistake in sticking with him.
RE: Meanwhile,  
TD : 10/11/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14118941 Britt in VA said:
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Coughlin and Flaherty have landed just fine down in Jacksonville...

and McAdoo and Reese are... where?


Uhhh Coughlin was looking for a HC job and there were no takers. Nobody was willing to hire him as a coach after we canned him. What does that say about him?

And the Jax roster was stacked when he got there. They continued to add good pieces when he joined but this wasn’t a roster rebuild by Coughlin.. or should I say, St. Coughlin.
Huh, that's interesting, Gene  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2018 12:14 pm : link
You were mighty impressed with all of Jacksonville's talent when they beat St. Tommy's squad in 2014. Wonder why your opinion changed in the meantime?
Best of luck, Ereck.  
NoPeanutz : 10/11/2018 3:09 pm : link
Sorry it didn't work out here.
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