When word broke Monday that the Giants were going to trade or release tackle Ereck Flowers, the trade option wasn’t taken too seriously given the $1.69 million Flowers was still set to make this season under the terms of his rookie deal with the Giants.
That proved to be the right reaction as Flowers wound up on the waiver wire Tuesday. That contract would have moved to any team that claimed him off of waivers, so there’s equally little surprise to hear multiple reports that Flowers cleared waivers on Wednesday.
At a lower price, there is reportedly interest in his services. Adam Schefter of ESPN reports multiple teams have reached out to Flowers and that he is set to visit the Jaguars on Thursday.
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Pat Flaherty, the offensive line coach for two Giants Super Bowl-winning teams, was fired mostly because he could not get through to Flowers, which was a disgrace and sent an awful message.
From three weeks ago...
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And Gilbride was fired because he couldn't "get through" to Reuben Randal and Jerrel Jernigan, two more losers.
Right, because the rest of our roster was in such good shape, other than Flowers.
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but people are on here stanning for Ereck Flowers? Wtf is going on? It was a not-so-well-kept secret that the rest of the OL didn't like him
Years of losing have made some posters just go nuts with shitting on the team over every move.
You can turn over half a roster, jettison a bunch of guys who were roundly criticized for playing like crap and having poor attitudes, bring in new pieces of the Front Office and coaching staff and you'll have people acting like keeping Eli and hiring Gettleman is the "Mara way" of keeping things status quo.
To the point that some of these fuckers are acting like Flowers is a pawn or fall guy.
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I avoided this thread today for some reason
Mike from SI : 3:36 am : link : reply
but people are on here stanning for Ereck Flowers? Wtf is going on? It was a not-so-well-kept secret that the rest of the OL didn't like him
Years of losing have made some posters just go nuts with shitting on the team over every move.
You can turn over half a roster, jettison a bunch of guys who were roundly criticized for playing like crap and having poor attitudes, bring in new pieces of the Front Office and coaching staff and you'll have people acting like keeping Eli and hiring Gettleman is the "Mara way" of keeping things status quo.
To the point that some of these fuckers are acting like Flowers is a pawn or fall guy.
Get this straight, buster! The ONLY reason Shurmur was hired because he promised Mara he would keep Eli and not draft a first round QB!
Most of their talent was there before Coughlin was hired.
a)what the hell does stanning mean?
b)This isn't a comment on Flowers so much as it is the notion, heavily pushed by some, that poor St. Tommy had Flowers, a player he didn't want, foisted on him by Emmanuel Goldstein Reese. Which is pretty well blown up by Coughlin's Jaguars bringing in Flowers for a look.
He's actually a pretty bad player - that nobody is debating, and nobody is standing up for him.
The thread turned because someone that for years has been used to exonerate TC/Flaherty, someone who was entirely the responsibility of Reese and Ross, is now headed down to Jax to try out. The main point is people still don't get that the whole thing needed to be torn down, that neither the coaching nor the FO were getting the job done anymore and everyone needed to go.
That should have included an overhaul of the scouting department and someone with a new perspective coming in. Instead, we got back a guy who had been here for a very long time, and most of our scouts were retained. To paraphrase Parcells, we have the same people picking the groceries, but we're expecting better meals.
Meanwhile, BBI has devolved into two camps - people who are fed up with all the losing, and people who snicker at them. And the trolls, but those guys were always here. Not fun times, but then again, when you're 1-4 and not looking good, that's how it is.
It was a failure to a. address the o line concerns early enough, and b. not adequately rebuilding it going on five years.
I think he's visiting today.
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or let him walk?
I think he's visiting today.
I'll be waiting with bated breath.....
It was a failure to a. address the o line concerns early enough, and b. not adequately rebuilding it going on five years.
And here we are, you continue to believe that TC and Flaherty, who deserve all the credit for when the line was performing well during the early years of the SB run, somehow deserve none of the blame for when it all went downhill.
Because you figure TC/Flaherty didn't have any input as to whether they should retain Diehl/Snee, whether they should have signed Baas, or drafted Flowers.
But here we are, with the guy that supposedly had a fight with Flaherty in his rookie season (and was the reason Flaherty was fired for 'not being able to get through to him'), is bringing him in for a tryout today.
Of course, the St. Coughlin crowd will perpetuate the narrative thst all good things that happened in the past 12 years were Coughlin’s doing and all bad things were Reese’s doing.
Sorry to bust your narrative but Coughlin was both a part of our success and a part of the failure. His in-game coaching flat sucked the last two years and cost us 3-4 wins and a possible playoff berth the last year, and YES, he did have a hand in the bad personnel decisions.
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that people said was foisted on him, it was a sieve of a line.
It was a failure to a. address the o line concerns early enough, and b. not adequately rebuilding it going on five years.
And here we are, you continue to believe that TC and Flaherty, who deserve all the credit for when the line was performing well during the early years of the SB run, somehow deserve none of the blame for when it all went downhill.
Because you figure TC/Flaherty didn't have any input as to whether they should retain Diehl/Snee, whether they should have signed Baas, or drafted Flowers.
But here we are, with the guy that supposedly had a fight with Flaherty in his rookie season (and was the reason Flaherty was fired for 'not being able to get through to him'), is bringing him in for a tryout today.
And here we are again, too.... Where you imply a lot of thing with basically no evidence, just like everything else on this thread, and then I come back with quotes from Kevin Gilbride that he went to Reese as early as 2009 with concerns over the decaying O-line only to have them dismissed...
“This isn’t just an overnight thing. People are acting like this just happened. This has been a buildup that needed to be addressed for a while.”
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Whether you choose to believe it or not, I have provided quote after quote after quote from people that were there, that lived it, that are qualified to have an educated opinion on that matter....
All dismissed. Even funnier, I get accused of bending "facts".
Where are your "facts"?
IOW, same old story for Tom Coughlin - all of the credit for the Giants' successes, none of the blame for their failures.
Fired Gilbride, fired Coughlin, fired Flaherty, let Jerry Reese stay on and pick his own coach and gave him 200 million to spend on the roster...
It all was a complete failure.
and McAdoo and Reese are... where?
Fired Gilbride, fired Coughlin, fired Flaherty, let Jerry Reese stay on and pick his own coach and gave him 200 million to spend on the roster...
It all was a complete failure.
Of course it was - the results are obvious.
Did they really have another way to go, though? Either way - what had been working wasn't anymore, and it needed to change.
and McAdoo and Reese are... where?
Where was Coughlin for the season after he was fired? Not Jacksonville. You're going to need to wait a bit before you can use that one.
That is not a puff quote.
I’ve disagreed OF LATE with his POVs, but he’s always a must read for me. Most of this board should be as “bad” as he is.
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So many saying that this ruins Coughlin’s credibility. Right, just one visit from Flowers indicates that Coughlin does not have an eye for talent and in fact the Jaguars are not a supremely talented team. The fact they almost went to the Super Bowl last year was actually just a mirage.
Most of their talent was there before Coughlin was hired.
Nothing to see here. Flowers, a former multi-year starter and #9 pick in the draft being brought in for due diligence by a team down to its 3rd string LT. Same being done by other teams who are bringing Flowers in. They signed Nassib for a week too. Of course, won't prevent the Gang that Couldn't Shoot Straight here from proposing a narrative attempting to justify the foolishness of their failed prescriptions for team improvement.
Just saying.
and McAdoo and Reese are... where?
Reese us rich AF. He was a scout for us for like 20 years before he became the GM.
He has 2 rings, and really has no need to be a GM ever again.
The time commitment involved in being a GM is taxing on the family conditions as well.
I'm pretty sure he even said he would be taking a year off after he was canned.
Not everyone is Tom Coughlin and wants to work to the day they die.
Just saying.
I defended him up until Coughlin was fired. I thought Reese should have been let go when Coughlin was fired but the Giants made a huge mistake in sticking with him.
and McAdoo and Reese are... where?
Uhhh Coughlin was looking for a HC job and there were no takers. Nobody was willing to hire him as a coach after we canned him. What does that say about him?
And the Jax roster was stacked when he got there. They continued to add good pieces when he joined but this wasn’t a roster rebuild by Coughlin.. or should I say, St. Coughlin.