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Greatest challenge against Eagles tonight...

M.S. : 10/11/2018 6:55 am
...aside from the fact that we can't ever seem to beat this team, is that we are facing a team that is second in the NFL in allowing rushing yards (per carry) at 3.4.

The Giants are in the bottom third in offensive yards per carry at 3.9 yards, and everyone on BBI knows that the figure is inflated by a half dozen magical "Super Mario" runs by Saquon Barkley. In the vast majority of his touches, the best back in the NFL (there, I said it) is stoned the nano-second he touches the ball.

So, if things go as they probably will, Eli is gonna have to pass the ball to move this team tonight, and that means he'll face a pass rush that has sacked him at a scary, alarming rate.

This game will be on the O-line and Eli. That is the biggest challenge.
Fletcher Cox is going to murder Eli tonight  
BlueHurricane : 10/11/2018 7:10 am : link
O-line will once again be exposed just as the Cowboys exposed it.
Eagles may just  
Foobarbaz : 10/11/2018 7:14 am : link
Put the nail in the coffin. If we lose, season is over
I expect the GIants to use a 2 TE set as their base offense tonight  
truebluelarry : 10/11/2018 7:26 am : link
where they only send 2-3 receivers out, and lots of pass catching opportunities for Barkley.

I think this game is winnable for the Giants. As always, this Philadelphia team holds a mental hex over the Giants. I think that is their biggest obstacle, the belief that they can win.
RE: Fletcher Cox is going to murder Eli tonight  
Tuckrule : 10/11/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 14118523 BlueHurricane said:
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O-line will once again be exposed just as the Cowboys exposed it.


Their secondary is trash. Today is goin to be a lot of quick passes and probably a pass heavy offense.
Only concern is holding on to the ball and stupid  
Big Blue '56 : 10/11/2018 7:44 am : link
penalties. Otherwise, we should be fine. 31-10
Ageed  
rocco8112 : 10/11/2018 7:53 am : link
the Eagles defensive front has dominated the Giants on offense for many seasons now and that is why they have kicked the Giants ass for so long.

Last year the Giants did have success moving the ball through the air. Hopefully the o line comes to play.

People on this board seem very optimistic about tonight, I hope they are correct and can't wait to watch and root for the Giants, but I do not expect a win at all. and think it is very likely the Giants get steamrolled in their own stadium. The main reason being as you stated the Giants will get owned up front when they have the ball.


.  
Capt. Don : 10/11/2018 7:55 am : link
Their two biggest strengths against our two biggest weaknesses.

Our offensive line vs their defensive line

Their pass protection vs. our pass rush

I am not optimistic.
RE: Only concern is holding on to the ball and stupid  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 10/11/2018 7:56 am : link
In comment 14118534 Big Blue '56 said:
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penalties. Otherwise, we should be fine. 31-10


I have no idea where BB'56 finds his perpetual optimism, but I wish I had some of it. Perhaps it's our recent 4-16 record or the fact that the same friends are coming to visit from out of state who were here when the Eagles beat the Giants 27-0 and essentially ended Victor Cruz's career in October of 2014, but I'm taking the opposite approach.

Our OL won't be able to handle their DL, Eli will look as bad or worse than he did against Dallas and probably throw a Pick 6 like he seems to do annually against the Eagles, and even Saquon's best magical Madden-style jukes won't allow him to consistently gain any yardage to negate that. We'll have to revert to short dump off passes, and Wentz will come alive and eat our defense up starting in the mid-to late 3rd Quarter and continuing the abuse through the 4th.

I'll take BB'56's score and invert it. Eagles 31 Giants 10.
In most games  
joeinpa : 10/11/2018 7:58 am : link
It has seemed that the Opposition' s defensive line matched up better against the Giants O line, than the Giants D line matched up with them.

Until this trend changes it will continue to feel like an up hill battle.

But hopefully tonight they find a way to win and keep themselves in the conversation for the division.
RE: .  
dep026 : 10/11/2018 7:58 am : link
In comment 14118541 Capt. Don said:
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Their two biggest strengths against our two biggest weaknesses.

Our offensive line vs their defensive line

Their pass protection vs. our pass rush

I am not optimistic.


Eagles pass protection has been horrendous this year.

The rain is going to be a huge factor.
RE: RE: Fletcher Cox is going to murder Eli tonight  
RottenApple : 10/11/2018 7:58 am : link
In comment 14118531 Tuckrule said:
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In comment 14118523 BlueHurricane said:


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O-line will once again be exposed just as the Cowboys exposed it.



Their secondary is trash. Today is goin to be a lot of quick passes and probably a pass heavy offense.


Torrential downpours may cripple any passing attack.
We're going to win 31-10? LMAO ummmm ok  
Jints in Carolina : 10/11/2018 7:59 am : link
RE: We're going to win 31-10? LMAO ummmm ok  
Big Blue '56 : 10/11/2018 8:03 am : link
In comment 14118548 Jints in Carolina said:
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😂😂
The offensive line  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 10/11/2018 8:05 am : link
More specifically, Cox vs. the interior of our OL is the game. Cox won't do it by himself, but with the havoc he can cause on his own freeing up other rushers, I can see the Eagles matching our single season sack total in this game alone.
Ummm "best back in the NFL"  
micky : 10/11/2018 8:06 am : link
Lol..o k.
A loss  
JonC : 10/11/2018 8:07 am : link
puts us one step closer to our choice of #1 prospect next April.

There is a silver lining ...
RE: I expect the GIants to use a 2 TE set as their base offense tonight  
robbieballs2003 : 10/11/2018 8:21 am : link
In comment 14118528 truebluelarry said:
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where they only send 2-3 receivers out, and lots of pass catching opportunities for Barkley.

I think this game is winnable for the Giants. As always, this Philadelphia team holds a mental hex over the Giants. I think that is their biggest obstacle, the belief that they can win.


I hope not. This is playing into the Eagles hand. Bringing more people into the box is what kills us in the running game.

I hope we spread the Eagles out forcing them to put more defensive backs on the field and open up the running lanes. I hope we see a lot of 4 wide tonight with Barkley as the lone back. The Eagles are really weak in the secondary. We need to take advantage of that. That doesn't mean pass a ton. It means getting them in nickel and dime defenses and running out of that. Give Barkley creases to run. If we are going to win this game we need to stick with the run. It is the only way to keep their pass rush honest. And there is no better way to run than to run against nickel and dime defenses because their secondary is not good.

Going with a loaded box increases the odds that one of our blockers fucks up and the whole play goes to shit. And when that happens everything is so tight that it is hard to find another lane. If you keep the defense spread out the lanes are much wider and they will be weaker up the middle because they may only be able to keep 5 or 6 in the box. If a guy gets beat then Barkley has more room to work with as long as he doesn't try to bounce it outside.

Obviously we need to mix it up but all I am saying is that we are not at an advantage by going with 2 TEs and/or a FB. Our players are not better than their players are so it dramatically hurts us. This allows them to double Beckham easily while still being able to load up against the run.
RE: .  
robbieballs2003 : 10/11/2018 8:22 am : link
In comment 14118541 Capt. Don said:
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Their two biggest strengths against our two biggest weaknesses.

Our offensive line vs their defensive line

Their pass protection vs. our pass rush

I am not optimistic.


I guess you haven't seen the Eagles this year. Their offensive line has played horrible.
RE: Only concern is holding on to the ball and stupid  
Diver_Down : 10/11/2018 8:24 am : link
In comment 14118534 Big Blue '56 said:
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penalties. Otherwise, we should be fine. 31-10


Love the optimism. One thing we do know is that Doc was first with the "What are we drinking?" meme.
RE: RE: .  
Capt. Don : 10/11/2018 8:28 am : link
In comment 14118566 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14118541 Capt. Don said:


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Their two biggest strengths against our two biggest weaknesses.

Our offensive line vs their defensive line

Their pass protection vs. our pass rush

I am not optimistic.



I guess you haven't seen the Eagles this year. Their offensive line has played horrible.


Actually, you and Dep are correct. I have watched them from flipping through the channels but nothing extended and it does appear that their 2018 O-line has been quite bad with pass protection.

I guess I just assumed it was a strength because it was one of the best in the league last year. Mea culpa

Unfortunately, our pass rush might be worse than their pass protection.
And by the way good luck passing in  
Carl in CT : 10/11/2018 8:30 am : link
The rain.
RE: A loss  
Les in TO : 10/11/2018 8:44 am : link
In comment 14118557 JonC said:
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puts us one step closer to our choice of #1 prospect next April.

There is a silver lining ...
Bradley Cooper would agree
Lets shake it up  
ChicagoMarty : 10/11/2018 8:52 am : link
What do we have to lose?

How about Eli with a couple of RPO's on third and one?

How about Barkley throws one or two to OBJ?

How about we come out throwing to OBJ against sorry Darby with Eli rolling out?

How about we come out in nickel and dime and stay that way the whole game and dare Philly to run with their dinged up backup runners?
The Giants offense will move the ball today.  
Spider56 : 10/11/2018 8:56 am : link
The key to winning will be stopping Zach Ertz and not be fooled by a trick play, fake kick, etc. Itís usually the bullshit that does us in.
Out of..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2018 9:01 am : link
this entire thread, this is what you latch onto??

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Ummm "best back in the NFL"
micky : 8:06 am : link : reply
Lol..o k.


Your streak of producing shitty post after shitty post continues.

You can easily make a case that Barkley is the best back in the NFL - moreso than making the case that you are a fucking competent poster.
If Giants can score more points than them  
Jimmy Googs : 10/11/2018 9:02 am : link
I like our chances...
RE: Out of..  
dep026 : 10/11/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 14118611 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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You can easily make a case that Barkley is the best back in the NFL - moreso than making the case that you are a fucking competent poster.


Shit, you can make a case that I am the best back in the NFL in that comparison...haha
Giants D comes out on fire  
giants#1 : 10/11/2018 9:12 am : link
rally behind Boger's incompetence (keeping things PG) and play with a passion we haven't seen in years.

Beckham then takes a 5 yard slant to the house, getting the tuna can rockin' and starting a debate between dep and the anti-Eli brigade about whether it was a perfectly thrown pass or if Beckham just continues to make Eli look better than he is!

Giants roll the rest of the game and Barkley gets a heavy workload: 25 carries for 150 and 4 receptions for 50 and adds another TD to his total. Go Terps still claims that players like Barkley don't help win games and that there is no plan.
Last Year  
Archer : 10/11/2018 9:22 am : link
The Giants offense played well enough to win in both games last year.

They gained 504 yards and 415 yards against the Eagles defense last year.

The defense has to be better. For the Giants to win the defense has to step play their best game this year.

RE: Ummm  
Capt. Don : 10/11/2018 9:31 am : link
In comment 14118556 micky said:
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Lol..o k.


Assuming equal offensive line play, who is better?
Philly  
WillVAB : 10/11/2018 9:35 am : link
Has been shredded by opposing WRs all year. Eli/OBJ/Shep need to have a big game tonight.
I think defensively, the Eagles mirror Carolina  
Section331 : 10/11/2018 9:45 am : link
to a large degree. Talented front 7, play a lot of cover 3 with a single high safety. I think Shurmer will look to throw more to open up the run. I read somewhere that CB Jalen Mills has given up 25 completions on 35 targets. I'd look to work on him, especially if we can get him on Odell.
RE: I expect the GIants to use a 2 TE set as their base offense tonight  
Section331 : 10/11/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 14118528 truebluelarry said:
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where they only send 2-3 receivers out, and lots of pass catching opportunities for Barkley.


I hope not, the 12 package plays right into the Eagles' strengths. I'd play mostly 11, and spread them out, force their LB's to cover.
Eagles always play tougher in the trenches and  
Jimmy Googs : 10/11/2018 9:50 am : link
their playmakers make plays against Giants, including special teams.

Add in fairly regular pick-6 throw by Eli, or some type of odd bounce of the ball that goes Philly's way, and you typically have a NYG loss.

Maybe that hand of god guy turns the tide...

RE: Last Year  
NikkiMac : 10/11/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 14118656 Archer said:
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The Giants offense played well enough to win in both games last year.

They gained 504 yards and 415 yards against the Eagles defense last year.

The defense has to be better. For the Giants to win the defense has to step play their best game this year.


I agree every game is on the Oline but this game is on the defense

Can the Giants defense hold anybody after we hit the go ahead FG or Touchdown .....game is more on the defense imv
RE: Giants D comes out on fire  
Go Terps : 10/11/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 14118634 giants#1 said:
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rally behind Boger's incompetence (keeping things PG) and play with a passion we haven't seen in years.

Beckham then takes a 5 yard slant to the house, getting the tuna can rockin' and starting a debate between dep and the anti-Eli brigade about whether it was a perfectly thrown pass or if Beckham just continues to make Eli look better than he is!

Giants roll the rest of the game and Barkley gets a heavy workload: 25 carries for 150 and 4 receptions for 50 and adds another TD to his total. Go Terps still claims that players like Barkley don't help win games and that there is no plan.


Some posters love bringing me up out of the blue.
Key to game  
rdt288 : 10/11/2018 3:34 pm : link
As always will be if we can establish run w the eagles blitzing like crazy
Robbie +1  
idiotsavant : 10/11/2018 4:12 pm : link
I would only add. Split barkely out wide and use gallman setback.

If Latimer is back use him a bit and don't forget Ellison.

If their DBs suck you force the issue by splitting barks out wide. And gallman ain't chop liver either.
With barks out wide  
idiotsavant : 10/11/2018 4:17 pm : link
They must move over a lb and/or maybe a safety from somewhere, because he can truck or shuck a db .

Which move helps either gallman, or Ellison, or Beck's or somebody.
Biggest challenge is staying healthy  
Adirondack GMen : 10/11/2018 5:27 pm : link
The turf will be wet and I hope we donít lose anyone to a serious injury. Running the ball may be our safe way out. Throwing the wet rock may cause turnovers and worst yet a injury on YAC.
I know we have to get tough and play hard and earn our $. But, this weather reminds me of the game that I played back in Ď68 which ended my career. I now have a 9Ē plate and 8 screws keeping my right arm in place.
Play hard, play safe and play to win..
Go Gímen...
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