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| In recent years, some individuals inside the organization have believed that Manning is holding the team back. Most have since been fired. |
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| Some thought Manning was the problem as far back as four or five years ago, according to sources with knowledge of the Giants’ thinking. |
“All you have to do is watch him,” one NFL executive said. “Don’t think about what his name is. Just watch him. Don’t make excuses. It’s blatant and obvious.”
Why anyone makes any reference to him or Pat Leonard is scary.
2016 ran slants every down with a horrible line, a horrible coach, horrible running backs, horrible te, and one good skill player.
2017- worst o-line in history of league, worst wrs in history of league, worst running backs in history of league, worst coach in history of league.
2018- they played 5 games with a new line, scheme, etc.
Said people in organization also considered hart, Flowers, donnell, perkins to be nfl players.
Judging Eli in those circumstances can only be limited to "How does Eli Play with the worst surrounding cast ever, only throwing slants?"
Its also akin to saying that Connor of the Steelers is a better running back than Barkley.
Why anyone makes any reference to him or Pat Leonard is scary.
Easier to shoot the messenger than to deal with the substance.
Easier to shoot the messenger than to deal with the substance.
Newsflash. Eli is old and isnt as good as he once was. But when that is the basis of every article you write so you can fit in at ESPN is disgraceful.
I would ask Ranaan why we havent been able to run the ball in 8 years - or why our defense cant make a stop in 4th quarters.... but that would take knowledge and some reseach. Something Ranaan sucks donkey balls at.
We're 1-4. What are the beat writers supposed to be positive about?
He's not coming here.
Get over it.
Just guessing...
- thought Bobby Hart was a starting caliber RT
- thought that it was wise to go into last season with Adam Bisnowaty as the primary backup to two terrible OT's?
- Used the 10th overall pick on Eli Apple
- Allowed Linval Joseph to walk
- Hired Ben McAdoo as head coach
- thought Jennings was a good starting RB
Raanan is right to a point - most things have been changed out in an attempt to resolve the problems, and the results haven't improved. From a logical standpoint, it would be reasonable to assume the next thing you'd change is the QB.
If Eli is just a symptom of a much bigger problem on O, then him having a seat and being replaced by the likes of Geno or Webb (who was obviously not ready for that), would only stand to prove the point that Eli wasn't responsible for the offensive malaise.
Instead, we got one game with Geno against a middling team, and got similar results. Should have left him in there another game or two to prove it out once and for all.
It's not about defending Eli or not defending Eli. The TEAM has been pretty bad the last few seasons aside from the playoff year.
I don't believe that - there are a lot of bad rosters out there.
I don't think the Giants believed that either - they went with a couple of stop gap moves in an attempt to win now. Otherwise, it made no sense handing out big money to Solder and good money to Omameh and Stewart.
Just guessing...
Nothing to do with Eli. Has to do with the shittiness of Ranaan.
The guy threw 30 and 35 touchdowns those years to 14 interceptions both years.
I remember 2015 vividly and he certainly wasn't the problem in either of those two years.
Raanan is right to a point - most things have been changed out in an attempt to resolve the problems, and the results haven't improved. From a logical standpoint, it would be reasonable to assume the next thing you'd change is the QB.
Just because things have changed, doesnt mean it has been for the better. In the last 6 years. We changed the OL from top to bottom. We changed the RB just about every year. We spent a number 2 pick on a sensational RB.
How come we cant run and why doesnt Ranaan say something about that?
The Solder signing is starting left tackle money in this league. What's the difference between 12M and 15M or whatever he got? If you're a decently quality LT in the NFL, you're going to get paid.
I think people still underestimate just how bad McAdoo's scheme was. Calling it vanilla was an insult to vanilla. It was horrible. He did nothing to help his WR's get open, he gave very little help to a disastrous OL in pass pro, his entire game plan was geared to getting Odell open on a slant. It was ridiculous.
At the end of the day, the next NYG QB is not on this roster, so it is up to Eli to right the ship. If we're 1-7 and out of the playoffs, I'd be fine with giving Lauletta some run, but he's not the answer either.
- Turned over about 60% of the roster
- Hired a new coach and GM
- Have a completely different OL
- Drafted Barkley at #2
But it is only "stop gap" because they retained Eli and hired Gettleman??
Do you guys really believe the shit you write or are you just so frustrated with losing that it doesn't matter if you sound like fucking morons?
So true, it's weird...
He posted that pic showing Eli having "good protection" but failing to find the open guy. Never mind that we were keeping 8 guys in to block 4, meaning we had 2 WR's out in coverage against seven defenders.... But he had time!
But these problems are magnified by Eli's complete immobility. He can't extend plays. That is a must in today's NFL. NFL DEs are just so much faster than they were even 10 years ago. OL play has also deteriorated because many college teams use spread offenses where the ball comes out quickly. The end result is that a mobile QB is an absolute necessity.
Time runs out for everyone.
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along the lines of posters defending Eli and others not.
Just guessing...
Nothing to do with Eli. Has to do with the shittiness of Ranaan.
But offended because eli is the subject by the reporter...
But these problems are magnified by Eli's complete immobility. He can't extend plays. That is a must in today's NFL. NFL DEs are just so much faster than they were even 10 years ago. OL play has also deteriorated because many college teams use spread offenses where the ball comes out quickly. The end result is that a mobile QB is an absolute necessity.
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When you talk about Eli Manning and that Giants offense, he needs the perfect storm. He needs everything, the environment, perfect. He needs the protection to be perfect. He has the weapons. He has the running back. He has all those things. But that is not the nature of the National Football League. There are going to be times when you need to make plays off-platform, off-schedule. That is what the really good quarterbacks do.
Time runs out for everyone.
Lol. Pathetic.
But offended because eli is the subject by the reporter...
If you enjoy articles like these.... then what else can we say about you.
- Turned over about 60% of the roster
- Hired a new coach and GM
- Have a completely different OL
- Drafted Barkley at #2
But it is only "stop gap" because they retained Eli and hired Gettleman??
Do you guys really believe the shit you write or are you just so frustrated with losing that it doesn't matter if you sound like fucking morons?
Outside of the OL, how many of those changes were to starters? We shipped away JPP who's having a great year, didn't resign Kennard who's doing very well in Detroit, and for some inexplicable reason Hart's actually working as a serviceable RT in Cincinnati on a team that's winning. There was some talent on the roster as the core of the D was good enough to be one of the top ranked units in 2016, we have one of the best WRs in the league, and some good young talent in Engram and Shepard.
Obviously, the stop-gap reference was made very clear about the FA signings, but hey, why would you let the truth interfere with your nonsensical rantings? Nobody thought that the GM or HC hires were stop-gap or intended to be short term fixes, and obviously the guy you draft at #2 overall isn't going to be that either.
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should delete this shit. If he isnt shitting on Eli or OBJ - he was hiding from Flowers kicking the shit out of him.
Why anyone makes any reference to him or Pat Leonard is scary.
Easier to shoot the messenger than to deal with the substance.
Are you serious, Jeff? I mean given your posts, are you serious?
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Manning is 32nd in the NFL with an average of 10.31 yards per completion. He's tied for 28th with a touchdown on 3.2 percent of his pass attempts. His 7.02 air yards per attempt put him 29th among quarterbacks.
“All you have to do is watch him,” one NFL executive said. “Don’t think about what his name is. Just watch him. Don’t make excuses. It’s blatant and obvious.”
I don't know where JR gets his stats. I get them from ESPN. Eli is 19th in the league in 7.39 yards per attempt behind an o-line that hasn't given him much time. And that's one of his worst stats. With regard to the unnamed NFL exec, I do watch him and see a qb that does well when he's not constantly under attack by unblocked pass rushers.
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Hart - who may have been the worst OL in football and has been at best below average.
Kennard - who was constantly hurt and didnt produce and just because he has a few sacks - he was worth keeping.
JPP - a guy who literally quit playing and is on the WORST defense in the NFL.
Yeah, I am not losing sleep over it. The same people who are bitching these guys werent kept were probably the same ones who were bitching when they played here.
Those 3 players here arent difference makers whatsover.
On O, we have 6.
So 50% of our starters are different.
Stop gap my ass.
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they made some "stop-gap" moves!
- Turned over about 60% of the roster
- Hired a new coach and GM
- Have a completely different OL
- Drafted Barkley at #2
But it is only "stop gap" because they retained Eli and hired Gettleman??
Do you guys really believe the shit you write or are you just so frustrated with losing that it doesn't matter if you sound like fucking morons?
Outside of the OL, how many of those changes were to starters? We shipped away JPP who's having a great year, didn't resign Kennard who's doing very well in Detroit, and for some inexplicable reason Hart's actually working as a serviceable RT in Cincinnati on a team that's winning. There was some talent on the roster as the core of the D was good enough to be one of the top ranked units in 2016, we have one of the best WRs in the league, and some good young talent in Engram and Shepard.
Obviously, the stop-gap reference was made very clear about the FA signings, but hey, why would you let the truth interfere with your nonsensical rantings? Nobody thought that the GM or HC hires were stop-gap or intended to be short term fixes, and obviously the guy you draft at #2 overall isn't going to be that either.
jcn, I think DG knew the team would have its limits in 2018, and while some decisions look to be made to bolster 2018, it seems clear it would not be a quick turnaround either.
Letting JPP and DRC go were locker room culture changes.
I don't know where JR gets his stats. I get them from ESPN. Eli is 19th in the league in 7.39 yards per attempt behind an o-line that hasn't given him much time. And that's one of his worst stats. With regard to the unnamed NFL exec, I do watch him and see a qb that does well when he's not constantly under attack by unblocked pass rushers. Link - ( New Window )
and there you go, someone jsut proved that even his research sucks fucking donkey balls. So now he is just making up shit as he goes to express a shitty view from shitty ESPN.
The only thing that needed to be learned that Jordan is shitty.
Sucks that we've lost the Mike G's and Neil Bests of the world and we're stuck with the shit we have now.
Here's a tip, Jeff: it doesn't make you look smart when you're that terse. You don't have the clout for BBI to take your word as gospel. It makes you look like a lazy know-it-all. I'm not asking you to be verbose, but you look like a complete jackass with your 6-word posts.
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Outside of the OL, how many of those changes were to starters?
On O, we have 6.
So 50% of our starters are different.
Stop gap my ass.
ding ding....and the winner is fatman
You can usually figure out where the throw is supposed to go based on the coverage package. For the first few games, Eli was going to his checkdowns before allowing the deeper patterns to develop, even when not pressured. That isn't even arguable. Now there may have been other explanations for it, my guess is that Eli was still getting acclimated to Shurmer's system, but we shouldn't ignore that the problem exists.