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| In recent years, some individuals inside the organization have believed that Manning is holding the team back. Most have since been fired. |
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| Some thought Manning was the problem as far back as four or five years ago, according to sources with knowledge of the Giants’ thinking. |
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the plain fact is the team has been struggling for years
there is one constant
Eli Manning
Actually there have been a lot of constants.
OBJ has been a constant on the team
Poor OLs have been constant
Inconsistent run game
Bad Special teams
Questionable coachign decisions
Sans 2016, bad defense
But go ahead...
Zak DeOssie, he's the problem...
Don't use that fucking tool sxcda's research. It sounds like that's what you've done here.
Being ignorant about a defensive scheme is one thing. Going and researching it and still not having a fucking clue about the scheme ratchets it up to a whole new level of absurdity
Second, and this is unconscionable, IMO, Ranaan pretty much says, at worst he disingenuously implies, that people were fired because they criticized Eli.
Reese and Mac were fired (staffs too). But they were unarguably fired because of a) team performance and b) a slew of personnel and coaching decisions having nothing to do with the QB. Also, many on the staff were also fired. But, when you fired heads, the underlings invariable are canned as well.
It's just so freaking dishonest.
Second, and this is unconscionable, IMO, Ranaan pretty much says, at worst he disingenuously implies, that people were fired because they criticized Eli.
Reese and Mac were fired (staffs too). But they were unarguably fired because of a) team performance and b) a slew of personnel and coaching decisions having nothing to do with the QB. Also, many on the staff were also fired. But, when you fired heads, the underlings invariable are canned as well.
It's just so freaking dishonest.
It's raanan. Substance doesnt matter. Clicks do.
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Why does this bother some of you so much? All the OP did was show a few quotes and a link to an article.
Then after that, one particular poster is saying he needs to "delete this ****"....
Hmmm why are some of you so controlling? In fact its showing me and everyone else here how controlling your behavior is.
Who are you to tell what others can and cannot post here?
My thing with Jeff is that he's a bad poster. 'Tis all. Take it from someone who has looked like a jackass on many occasions, he doesn't want to be known as the guy who thinks his word is gospel. If much smarter football minds like B in ALB and Fat Man can be loquacious and not give one-sentence answers, Jeff can too.
To be fair, he sicked way worse when we had some of the more controversial NFT's.
Teach us more jerry reese jr
I am fairly certain any type of defense give Eli & Co. trouble...
Cue the clown music.
When you hadnt thought the show reached a new low.... in comes rflairr.
Lets see what the facts are...
Gettleman traded away the Giants 4th and 6th round picks THIS YEAR, for LB Alec Ogletree. They also took on his 42 million dollar contract.
Gettleman traded away the Giants 2019 3rd round pick for CB Sam Beal.
Gettleman signed LT Nate Solder to a 5 year 62 million dollar contract.
Gettleman resigned WR Odell Beckham Jr to a 95 million dollar contract.
Gettleman signed Kareem Martin to a 3 year 15 million dollar contract
Gettleman signed OT Patrick Omameh to a 3 year 15 million dollar contract.
Gettleman used the #2 overall pick in the draft for what he believed was a generational talent at RB. 4 year 31 million dollar contract.
All in all, Gettleman used up 173 million out of 177 million dollars in cap the Giants had in 2018. That leaves the team with only 4 million in cap space, this year.
If you actually believe what this poster is attempting to spin, that this isn't a win now team, then I feel sorry for you.
Do not believe him, he is delusional, and a liar. Even if the Giants are 1-15 on the year, he will find a way to spin that narrative as well.
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The Panthers were wobbly ducks with no velocity behind them
When you hadnt thought the show reached a new low.... in comes rflairr.
Yeah, I mean Sam Beal who was projected to be a first rounder next year draft and getting him for a 3rd means we are going for the SUPER BOWL BABY!
God forbid DG try to revamp the OL and repaying our best player. JFC, when will this shit stop?
Cap space is fungible from year to year and what you have left in 2018 has little bearing on what will happen in 2019.
Ideally, you want to be up against the cap each year - provided you are making the right moves.
You can argue some of the moves, but to indicate it is bad use of the cap to be right up against it indicates a lack of awareness about the cap.
It is what it is.
I am sorry but harping on the same thing in every article is not good journalism - whether its true or not. he ius the beat reprorter of an NFL team and does nothing but create articles (ones that are factually incorrect as well) just so people can read them.
There is nothing wrong with pointing out shitty journalism.
Is that "win now"? In a vein, sure, but win now doesn't mean expect to contend for a playoff spot or more.
It's not black and white.
And yet, just Sunday Eli threw a very good ball to Sheppard that led to the winning score.
People see what they want to see.
Is that "win now"? In a vein, sure, but win now doesn't mean expect to contend for a playoff spot or more.
It's not black and white.
That's right, it's not.
The goal is always to "win now". Every season, with what you have. A couple of bounces, some strokes of luck, and a healthy roster late in the season and who knows what can happen, year in, year out.
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I get it, it's ugly and hard to sit through another shitter given how precious football season is to us.
Reality is, I thought we would need considerable fortune and health and the bounces to go our way to win 7 games in 2018. In that vein, I suppose my moderate expectations have kept me from getting bent about this team.
Also expected to need 2-3 offseaons to get the talent level of the roster up to where they should be a winner. Signing Solder, drafting SB, etc didn't change my mind about their chances or strategy in 2018.
Whatever they believed, the reckoning is here and it will force more changes, and they're needed.
It's hard to believe that the timeline is so extensive. Save for the Browns, that doesn't seem to be the case very often in the NFL.
And I was one who had managed expectations coming in. I didn't think they'd go past 6 wins. In part because I thought the roster was flawed, and in part because I didn't have faith in the management changes. But for a team that managed to win 11 games 2 years ago to finish 3-13 last season with a slew of injuries and some malcontents to shed some of those problematic players, get a draft of high picks, sign a couple of FAs and get players back healthy to open up 1-4 is alarming.
The poor drafting is killing them and is really visible now. The roster is a somewhat top heavy and lacking in depth. They're still deficient on the OL and the pass rush (which I really warned the forum about), thin in the secondary, etc.
Factor in the system changes, youth, new coaches, and more than 50% roster turnover and we're faced with a lot of moving parts to pull together. Let's see what the next 11 games delivers.
Jon C, the drafting is some of the worst drafting ever. Since 2007 ( which may have been the best class of Reese's ) the drafting has been God awful. This years draft is a thing of beauty ( McIntosh not so much ). It will take time for all the moving parts to come together. I like the Coach, I like the DC, I am hoping OV can help with the pass rush.
By biggest issue with what Gettlemen has done or not done was give Omameh all that money and not retain Fluker who I feel was a pretty good mover of men. I wish they drafted a Center or OT but like you said, you can't fix everything in one offseason.
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I hear things like, Eli throws a great deep ball. To be honest, we haven't seen that in years
And yet, just Sunday Eli threw a very good ball to Sheppard that led to the winning score.
People see what they want to see.
Hes thrown some good ones this year. Latimer against Dallas. OBJ/Shepard against Carolina. He threw a dandy to Engram that got called back.
People only remember the ones that are missed though.
Nothing but a hack
Eli can win if his defense plays lights out as they did during the two runs. So could Trent Dilfer Brad Johnson or Jim McMahon
Eli has been called out since 2007..... there have been brief lapses when he won the SB.... but the national media really has never been behind him.
Eli can win if his defense plays lights out as they did during the two runs. So could Trent Dilfer Brad Johnson or Jim McMahon
Yeah the 25th ranked defense in 2011 carried us.
God damn, man. What the hell has this board come to?
Eli can win if his defense plays lights out as they did during the two runs. So could Trent Dilfer Brad Johnson or Jim McMahon
When is the last time you can recall learning something new about football?
Are you of the mindset that you have obtained all there is to know by simply becoming familiar with the basics of the game?
I dont think so. People are glued to one position. But we need major overhaul in other areas and hopefully DG is working on those areas.
He's trying to fix the OL. We have our skilled players for a number of years. We have our DL. Just need depth and a couple more playmakers on defense.
Who? Odell, Demarcus Lawrence and Jalen Ramsey? Big whoop.
And is that why Ben McAdoo, the "great offensive mind," and Jerry Reese, the "architect of two Super Bowls," are sitting at home with no prospects on the horizon?
No they understood it's a work in progress with an obvious 2-3 year window to get things back on track from that goatfuck mess they inherited. But you don't sell tickets and merchandise saying that. We the fans are the ones that over estimated the talent on the team.
We are 5 games into a massive overhaul in every single aspect of the team. Yet we have had a brutal schedule and every single game but vs the Saints we have been competitive in. A situation like ours needs a bit of time to jell.
That makes sense, wasn't the defense ranked 31st in 2011? Yeah they carried the team or was it the 32nd ranked running game? Jesus christ the stupidity here sometimes is just overwhelming.
And that is when we are executing double teams!
The next game, look at the personnel of the defense and how few guys they are sending after Eli. And, yet, with minimal commitment, the defensive line is stuffing the run completely. Only finally are they not also causing turnstile protection.
The fewer guys rushing the QB, the more that sit in coverage.
Eli is near the end of his career. But he was always a pure pocket QB with limited mobility. And for several years now, he is undercut by an offensive line that doesn't allow the team to run the ball against defensive schemes that are asking us to run the ball while they keep more guys in coverage.
They take it to the level of feeling personally insulted by the losing and they always need a punching bag. So many in this fan base have made Eli that punching bag for years now.
When he was winning Super Bowls with more pedestrian stats they wanted him to put up better stats.
When he personally put up his best statistical seasons and the team started to go down the tubes, it's his fault they're not winning.
At this point now it's the combination of everything plus the fact that many had fallen in love with a bunch of QBs of which no one could definitively tell you was a "sure thing" prospect.
So now we live in a fantasy world where Eli has sucked retroactively to 5 years ago. False.
The franchise has been set back 15 years by passing on a QB. False.
We are destined for QB hell. False.
A lot of people on here take criticism of Eli as almost a personal insult. They have this emotional attachment to him that nothing can shake. Outside this bubble, football people seem to take a very different view. It's not personal, strictly business.
Yes, and how honest are they being with themselves ... a chunk of the fanbase is pissed off at it either way.
What really burns me though is the narrative that Eli has sucked since 2013. Bullshit, the passing game carried the team until McAdoo took over in 16. Since then the offense has sucked. Although Eli looked pretty good in Green Bay that year when the shirtless idiots he was throwing to let him down with drop after drop. But they were showing "passion".
Also, can we stop labeling Engram as a top talent until he produces on a consistent basis. He is hurt now, looks soft to me when he has the ball and drops everything. in sight. I plant him firmly in the overrated category right now.
This will be Eli's last year here, I hope the team can keep him above a winning career win loss record. I also hope the team sucks less so less articles like this will be written. Then everyone will get their wish and see how the shiny new QB works out when he is subjected to the NY media and a Beckham's tantrums when he is not force fed the ball. At least there will be passion.
One final note, want to help Eli, get a below average run game going. This will allow better down and distance and might actually show the league this unit has a pair and can smack some teams in the mouth. Slow down their rush a bit. Now it is always third and forever and they tee off on a pass rush since they are never challenged physically from the pillow soft NYG. I hope they win tonight, but that is my heart, my head expects a two score loss since this team sucks.
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Did this team overestimate how close they are to winning.
Yes, and how honest are they being with themselves ... a chunk of the fanbase is pissed off at it either way.
Well, that MIGHT be considered a win now move only because of the lack of CB depth we had. I mean Jackrabbit was fine, but he had that shit with his brother, which we didn't know how it would play out. Eli Apple was a GIGANTIC question mark. And then behind them was a bunch of mysteries.
But yes, Beal was drafted to be a starter in the future.