The erosion of Eli

He never had a rocket for an arm, an instantaneous release, or was at all mobile (though he can still shift in the pocket). The difference between Eli today and Eli during the SB years is simple. In those years, the offensive line enabled Eli to take a five step drop and he had terrific receivers and a running backs who could both run and block. A more mobile quarterback would be able to succeed with the Giants current offensive line, but IMO the Eli of 2011 would be no different than the Eli of 2018.

In comment 14119534 GeofromNJ said:

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He never had a rocket for an arm, an instantaneous release, or was at all mobile (though he can still shift in the pocket). The difference between Eli today and Eli during the SB years is simple. In those years, the offensive line enabled Eli to take a five step drop and he had terrific receivers and a running backs who could both run and block. A more mobile quarterback would be able to succeed with the Giants current offensive line, but IMO the Eli of 2011 would be no different than the Eli of 2018.

Then you need to rewatch 2011 because Eli was sensational that year. The Giants had the worst running game, a terrible declining offensive line, and 31st ranked defense. Eli single handedly got them into the playoffs and he continued to dominate in the playoffs. He took a beating in the NFC championship game versus SF but kept getting up.

That is second all time in career earnings(His brother number 1) Whatever happens this year or next, Eli has been respected in the most important way possible by the Giants. I think this is the central point of jealousy of people like Warner and other NFL players that seem to have a grudge against Eli..FWIW those 2 SB runs make him worth it. Good luck tonight Eli, I hope you pull through. If this is the end, you'll be aight.

At the general backlash to Eli’s benching last season. And I think every decision after that - major decisions that set a course for the franchise - started with a thesis of “Eli is fine and he’s our guy”.

I completely believe that Gettleman and Shurmur were hired because they bought into that line of thinking.

All things end badly otherwise they wouldn’t end. It is ending badly with Eli, that’s unavoidable, but hopefully management understands this is the last year.

In comment 14118795 ryanmkeane said:

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needed a wake up call and Beckham gave it to him...who knows. But he looked like the Eli we know last week. Hopefully it continues.

Eli looked OK to me, he still throws a lot of high balls to his receivers. Can’t figure out why he can’t keep them down

In comment 14119570 OBJRoyal said:

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In comment 14118795 ryanmkeane said: Quote: needed a wake up call and Beckham gave it to him...who knows. But he looked like the Eli we know last week. Hopefully it continues. Eli looked OK to me, he still throws a lot of high balls to his receivers. Can’t figure out why he can’t keep them down

A critique of him even in college was that missed high. One thing to always consider when a qb throws high is to consider the position of the coverage, which includes underneath defenders.

In comment 14119449 Jimmy Googs said:

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season certainly has hurt DG's chances to pick high again in the next draft. Maybe he did watch more than last year's Eagles game...

Not that it matters, but technically at the moment the Giants hold the #1 pick in the 2019 NFL Draft.

Eli throws high simply because he mistakenly throws high...

In comment 14119582 FStubbs said:

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In comment 14119449 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: season certainly has hurt DG's chances to pick high again in the next draft. Maybe he did watch more than last year's Eagles game... Not that it matters, but technically at the moment the Giants hold the #1 pick in the 2019 NFL Draft.

sarcasm...

In comment 14119568 Oscar said:

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At the general backlash to Eli’s benching last season. And I think every decision after that - major decisions that set a course for the franchise - started with a thesis of “Eli is fine and he’s our guy”. I completely believe that Gettleman and Shurmur were hired because they bought into that line of thinking. All things end badly otherwise they wouldn’t end. It is ending badly with Eli, that’s unavoidable, but hopefully management understands this is the last year.

Unless you have evidence, there’s nothing separating what you believe from the kids at the mall asking Santa for gifts.

is that Eli has definitely improved his accuracy on throws in the short game. To be honest, I was a bit worried about his ability to hit SB coming out of the backfield because he always seemed to struggle to hit the RB in stride on screens, etc.

This year he seems much improved. To be fair, I think his improvements there began before this year but this year it's been evident to me that he is much, much improved in that aspect of his game.

Everyone is so frustrated with losing year after year, we assume a mob mentality when the season starts to go down the drain.

- Here is the reality (in my opinion of course)
- The rebuild already started, per the logic of FMIC
- They know its over with Eli, but it made more sense to ride him for 1 more year.
- People mentioned the firing of Gettleman and Shurmur in other posts. It is not happening. For better or worse, they will be shown a lot of patience (i think this is good)

I think they want to build this roster up a considerable amount and then get a franchise guy - it'll increase the chances of hitting - he won't need to be paid for a few years

Of course he is eroding the guy has played in the NFL for 15 years and he has taken some licks over the years. It is ok, his career was bound to end. He helped win us 2 super bowls against the leagues greatest dynasty ever. That is AWESOME.

After years of mediocrity, the last thing this organization wanted to do was announce it expected a few more years of mediocrity. That makes no sense. Maybe i am wrong. Would not be a shock. To me, looking at the moves they have made...we've begun the purge. Good. It was needed.

That the minute his stats were disproved he turtled and disappeared off of this thread.

The guy is a PoS fucking hack who is the epitome of "Fake News". All he cares about is clicks