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Is our season on the line tonight?

EJJ : 10/11/2018 1:02 pm
I think it all comes down to night. If the Giants can win tonight beating the Eagles the defending Super bowl champs who have owned the Giants for a decade the Division is there for the taking.
My keys to the game are IMHO our O line at least holding their own with the Eagles front seven. Stick with the run all night at least 25 attempts and plat-action.
Biggest factor is Eli. Will Eli revert to the deer in the head lights fumbling turn over machine or LEAD this team to a victory!
On D Shut down their second rate back up Running back lead running game. Some how cover TE Zack Ertiz.
Time for the Giants to take control of their season, man up Beat the crap out of the Eagles in the trenches!!!
I think I need a drink already....


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not likely  
Thegratefulhead : 10/11/2018 1:48 pm : link
But, if they win tonight I could conceivably see them still competing for the division after Thanksgiving. Better than nothing.
RE: Let's just say  
ron mexico : 10/11/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14119266 Gman11 said:
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that the Giants win and go 2-5.

That means they would have to go 8-1 or at worst 7-2 the rest of the way.

It ain't happnin.


8-8 could take the division this year
I have a hard time  
Gman11 : 10/11/2018 1:54 pm : link
envisioning the Eagles as a lousy team after winning the Super Bowl last season.

But, the Giants are the poster boys for crapping the bed after a Super Bowl season.

1987 (the non-replacement games) and 1991 were just plain ugly.
It's absolutely over  
Metnut : 10/11/2018 1:57 pm : link
if they lose tonight.

Still an uphill fight with a win, but we'd be technically ahead of the super bowl champs if that happened, so hope would be alive.
There season is not on the line  
UberAlias : 10/11/2018 2:00 pm : link
They are in the race for the division, and will remain in the hunt... until they aren't.

I'd be looking more for signs along lines of is PS the right guy for the job then I would be eying division title and playoffs.
RE: RE: ...  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14119272 allstarjim said:
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The Eagles are all of a sudden a bad team? The defending Super Bowl Champions? I don't like the Eagles, but they lost to a very good Minnesota team by 2 points, to the Titans in Nashville by 3 points, and to Fitzmagic and the Bucs in Tampa by one score without Wentz.


The Eagles could very easily be 0-5 right now. They barely squeaked by the Falcons and Colts in games where the opponent had the ball inside the ten yard line at the end of the game. FWIW I thought they were a team that played wayyyyy over their heads last year and expected a big fall.

Still much better than the Giants, of course, but that ain't saying much.
RE: It's not parading  
Toth029 : 10/11/2018 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14119250 JonC said:
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just watch.

Not saying Giants won't lose. Just saying Philly aren't good either.
Philly has a pelt  
JonC : 10/11/2018 2:08 pm : link
and plenty of talent, they'll get it going at least enough to win the division.
RE: Philly has a pelt  
dep026 : 10/11/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14119324 JonC said:
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and plenty of talent, they'll get it going at least enough to win the division.


I dont know if they have plenty of talent outside their front 4. Wentz is still struggling with movement and their OL has taken a huge step backwards. Jeffrey is a very good WR, but I like Jenkins matching up with him. Ertz should be the main focus for us. They have average RBs.

And their secondary is awful. I know its easier said than done, but contain their front 4 and you can put a lot of points on the board against them. With their OL struggling, I dont see the dominating force that took them to a title last year.
They just need a reason  
JonC : 10/11/2018 2:14 pm : link
and NYG is usually a good one for them. They're not a world beater but ...
RE: They just need a reason  
dep026 : 10/11/2018 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14119331 JonC said:
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and NYG is usually a good one for them. They're not a world beater but ...


I got you though.

Philly's biggest strength is our weakness. Dl vs. OL. The problem is our DL good enough to take advantage of their worsen OL? Last year Philly probably had one of the 3 best OLs in football. This year, its been near the bottom.

A win against them is gonaa be a huge step forward for this team. Sometimes all it takes is a win to change things. We have probably already played the toughest teams on our schedule already. Look at who we have left...

5 division games
TB
Atl
SF
Tenn
Indy
Chicago

Chicago is probably the best team left on the schedule. There are winnable games left. It starts tonight.

GET IT DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or DL is good  
JonC : 10/11/2018 2:21 pm : link
our LBs are disappointing. Listen, I want to believe in NYG but they've got to get it done. None of this should have won in Carolina BS, finish a game against a quality opponent.
RE: Or DL is good  
dep026 : 10/11/2018 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14119338 JonC said:
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our LBs are disappointing. Listen, I want to believe in NYG but they've got to get it done. None of this should have won in Carolina BS, finish a game against a quality opponent.


it starts tonight buddy, it starts tonight.
Absolutely on the line  
Vanzetti : 10/11/2018 2:25 pm : link
A win tonight and they are alive in a weak division

If they go 1-5, then Gettlemen/Shurmur starts looking like a disaster.
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Danny Kanell : 10/11/2018 2:26 pm : link
All I am hoping for is meaningful November Giant games. A win tonight will likely get us that. That’s where I’m at. Gun to my head, I think we lose badly tonight.
It was "on the line" last week  
ZogZerg : 10/11/2018 2:26 pm : link
This week it is all about a complete team melt down....
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Go Terps : 10/11/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14119343 Danny Kanell said:
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All I am hoping for is meaningful November Giant games. A win tonight will likely get us that. That’s where I’m at. Gun to my head, I think we lose badly tonight.


Think about how sad your first sentence is. We have been beaten into a fog of low expectations.
Hopefully  
Toth029 : 10/11/2018 2:29 pm : link
With Vernon back, Kareem Martin sees fewer snaps.
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Kyle in NY : 10/11/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14119345 Go Terps said:
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All I am hoping for is meaningful November Giant games. A win tonight will likely get us that. That’s where I’m at. Gun to my head, I think we lose badly tonight.



Think about how sad your first sentence is. We have been beaten into a fog of low expectations.


It's unfortunate but that's where my mindset is as well. Would just like to see some meaningful games after the bye week. That'd be a start
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Danny Kanell : 10/11/2018 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14119345 Go Terps said:
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All I am hoping for is meaningful November Giant games. A win tonight will likely get us that. That’s where I’m at. Gun to my head, I think we lose badly tonight.



Think about how sad your first sentence is. We have been beaten into a fog of low expectations.


Yep
Don't want to make a new thread  
Giants in 07 : 10/11/2018 2:45 pm : link
Do you guys think the rain helps the Giants tonight when it comes to Eagles DL vs Giants OL?
Expect a tough tight game ....  
Bluesbreaker : 10/11/2018 2:52 pm : link
I think were gonna win tonight . We are over to catch some breaks . We will hit 30 again the defense will do enough
limit the scoring .
31-23 Giants ..
At least I will be at a bar ..in case it gets ugly but
i'm not seeing Philly dominating ..
RE: RE: Is there something that happened  
gmenatlarge : 10/11/2018 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14119274 Marvin Across The sea said:
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in the NO game that I missed? A few people have mentioned it recently. We got severely outplayed.



Sean Peyton disagrees....hence if fake punt in a game that was about to get away from him.


A fake punt that was obvious I might add.


How was it obvious? deep in your own end, early in the game, face it no one expected it and it was brilliant! Changed the whole game around as the giants could have gotten a two score lead early!
RE: Let's just say  
YAJ2112 : 10/11/2018 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14119266 Gman11 said:
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that the Giants win and go 2-5.

That means they would have to go 8-1 or at worst 7-2 the rest of the way.

It ain't happnin.


The Giants would be 2-4 not 2-5 with a win tonight. The way this division is going, 9-7 could win it so a 7-3 finish would be needed with at least 3 more wins in the division. IF IF IF this team were to win tonight, it wouldn't feel that impossible to think they could go 7-3 the rest of the way.
already a thread  
UESBLUE : 10/11/2018 3:03 pm : link
and it was mine.
Link - ( New Window )
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Marvin Across The sea : 10/11/2018 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14119372 gmenatlarge said:
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in the NO game that I missed? A few people have mentioned it recently. We got severely outplayed.



Sean Peyton disagrees....hence if fake punt in a game that was about to get away from him.


A fake punt that was obvious I might add.



How was it obvious? deep in your own end, early in the game, face it no one expected it and it was brilliant! Changed the whole game around as the giants could have gotten a two score lead early!


I predicted it before it happened.

Payton is a gambler, game was getting away from them, they were around the 30. It was obvious. Too me at least.
RE: Is your head or your heart  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/11/2018 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14119188 JonC said:
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suggesting this team's capable of a division crown?


You didn't ask me, but in my case, neither. The standings have dictated they are in the hunt for one. They played a good game last week should've won, so there's that.

Whether they deserve to be or not, a win tonight with a little help from Jacksonville and Carolina on Sunday and we've got as good a shot as anyone else. Our schedule gets very easy down the stretch.
Win, its not, lose it is over  
NYG007 : 10/11/2018 3:07 pm : link
The only question with a Win is, can we win 2 in a row? Then 3, etc.

With a loss, its what date does Kyle L play. If they screw this up again where Alex freaking Tanney or WTF his name is who takes up a roster spot plays - we are doomed.
RE: Absolutely on the line  
UberAlias : 10/11/2018 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14119342 Vanzetti said:
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A win tonight and they are alive in a weak division

If they go 1-5, then Gettlemen/Shurmur starts looking like a disaster.
Yes, but in the end the results will be the same either way. Those of you clinging on to the hope of a division run are not realistic and setting up for disappointment. 2018 is not about 2018.
RE: Ah, optimism  
chopperhatch : 10/11/2018 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14119293 JonC said:
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you elusive beat.


Jon, we are one game out of first place! We have better offensive weapons than anybody in the division. Our defense is already pretty damned good and we are getting our best pass rusher back tonight. Sure we have our warts, but so does every team in our division. A lot can happen in the next 12 weeks. I guess you forgot how the 2007 and 2011 seasons were before the playoffs.

This utterly defeatist attitude is just silly. Really no point in watching if that's the case.
Yep  
Jimmy Googs : 10/11/2018 3:30 pm : link
Uber with some objective reality that many here lack...
Meaningful football in October  
NoPeanutz : 10/11/2018 3:30 pm : link
What more can you ask for!
It will be  
Les in TO : 10/11/2018 3:37 pm : link
Interesting if Vernon’s return will make an impact on defense. If this season has any chance at miraculously turning around it will be due to the formula from 2016 - defensive dominance and some big plays by Beckham (or Barkley)
Besides having a great front 4 that they rotate out the Eagles  
joe48 : 10/11/2018 3:55 pm : link
Know how to win and that is something the NY Giants have had a big problem with since 2011. I am hoping that Coach Shumur can step up because winning only 4 of the last 20 games played against the Eagles is a big hurdle for this team.
RE: Is there something that happened  
Mayhap : 10/11/2018 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14119267 ryanmkeane said:
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in the NO game that I missed? A few people have mentioned it recently. We got severely outplayed.


I could be wrong, but I believe that narrative came from the idea that there was a missed holding penalty in the end zone on the Saints final drive that would have given the Giants the ball back down 6 with a few minutes to play.
I'm not anywhere near declarations like Marvin's ...  
Beezer : 10/11/2018 4:03 pm : link
but while things haven't been great, there have been some glimmers. This is the game where some things would HAVE TO turn a corner, or at least begin to emerge, in order to win this one and at least extend a little bit of hope.

I'm realistic, but I'm an optimist, as well. The Giants were a tick and a couple crap calls from beating the 1-loss Panthers. They were a couple plays from beating the Jags. They lost to the world champ Eagles last year twice in winnable games. Those things give me a small amount of hope that things might gel.

But lose tonight? Eh, ceremonially start Eli a few more games, get over the mid-season mark, just to make sure, then do the necessary evil of starting Lauletta, and beginning to say goodbye to the best quarterback the franchise has had.
The team is a work in progress  
Milton : 10/11/2018 4:07 pm : link
A win tonight would put them at 2-4 and in play for the division title. And then it comes down to how much the Giants improve between now and week 17. It's not unreasonable to believe they can improve a great deal given it's a new system on both sides of the ball. I'm optimistic.
No..not til week 16  
micky : 10/11/2018 4:10 pm : link
Can lose til then ..then week 16 game will be season on the line..do or die game
8-8 could win the division...  
Milton : 10/11/2018 4:13 pm : link
And give the Giants home field vs the wild card team. After that, who knows?
RE: The team is a work in progress  
TMS : 10/11/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14119458 Milton said:
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A win tonight would put them at 2-4 and in play for the division title. And then it comes down to how much the Giants improve between now and week 17. It's not unreasonable to believe they can improve a great deal given it's a new system on both sides of the ball. I'm optimistic.
Hope this is true, We have showed improvement in most games and the NFC East is not very good. A 2/3 game win streak would do wonders for this team. Tall order but, we were in it to the end, in two of our loses. Keeping the faith myself.
The season is basically on the line every game....  
Doomster : 10/11/2018 4:17 pm : link
until you are eliminated....

Now if you think this team is a playoff team, then yes, you are what your record says you are, if we lose...

I am at the point where, I just want to see improvement each week, without taking a step backwards.....

By the end of the season, we should truly know what our strengths/weaknesses are, and can address them in the off season......
RE: The team is a work in progress  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/11/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14119458 Milton said:
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A win tonight would put them at 2-4 and in play for the division title. And then it comes down to how much the Giants improve between now and week 17. It's not unreasonable to believe they can improve a great deal given it's a new system on both sides of the ball. I'm optimistic.


Doesn't this also assume every other team in the division doesn't improve? Dallas maybe, but it's far too early to count out Philadelphia.
RE: RE: Eagles and Redskins will be better  
BigBlueinChicago : 10/11/2018 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14119251 Marvin Across The sea said:
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If the Giants win tonight, they are the clear favorites to win the division.


I am trying to figure out why this statement would be true.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Is there something that happened  
gmenatlarge : 10/11/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14119383 Marvin Across The sea said:
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in the NO game that I missed? A few people have mentioned it recently. We got severely outplayed.



Sean Peyton disagrees....hence if fake punt in a game that was about to get away from him.


A fake punt that was obvious I might add.



How was it obvious? deep in your own end, early in the game, face it no one expected it and it was brilliant! Changed the whole game around as the giants could have gotten a two score lead early!



I predicted it before it happened.

Payton is a gambler, game was getting away from them, they were around the 30. It was obvious. Too me at least.


Ok
Yep  
joeinpa : 10/11/2018 5:32 pm : link
And it would have been a legitimate chance to contend sans a 63 year kick
Wow, what optimism. In reality the Giants season was statistically  
baadbill : 10/11/2018 7:02 pm : link
over once they opened the season 0-2. Moreover, they are probably worse than their record. A team with Beckham and Barkley that is nevertheless one of the worst offenses in football.
Yes,  
AcidTest : 10/11/2018 7:14 pm : link
is definitely on the line.
RE: Yes,  
AcidTest : 10/11/2018 7:20 pm : link
In comment 14119623 AcidTest said:
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is definitely on the line.


it
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arcarsenal : 10/11/2018 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14119345 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14119343 Danny Kanell said:


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All I am hoping for is meaningful November Giant games. A win tonight will likely get us that. That’s where I’m at. Gun to my head, I think we lose badly tonight.



Think about how sad your first sentence is. We have been beaten into a fog of low expectations.


Same thing I keep saying as well.

I remember after that miserable 0-6 start in 2013, the next year rolled around and I was hoping to just at least be back in the playoff mix somehow in 2014.

Then it was like... well, maybe if we're still alive around Thanksgiving it won't be so bad.

Last year our season was over in September.

The standard has become pathetically low. It sucks.
we are done  
mdc1 : 10/11/2018 7:44 pm : link
the key is understanding what one this team can be used to take a bigger step and which need to be culled out at specific positions (offense/defense).
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