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The Next Wentz? Justin Herbert Is Turning Heads

Anakim : 10/11/2018 10:29 pm
I'm not watching the game anymore. It's making me physically ill.


Good article on Herbert. Breaks down some concerns, but also explains why he could be so special.


“He has all the tools, all the traits,” says one AFC exec. “He’s a bigger [Marcus] Mariota to me. He could use another year in school, another year of maturing. But I could definitely see him going high, just based on talent and traits, if he came out.”
Good article on our potential future QB - ( New Window )
Him or Grier  
jeff57 : 10/11/2018 10:31 pm : link
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The Giants are god awful  
illmatic : 10/11/2018 10:31 pm : link
but I still doubt they're worst-team-in-the-NFL type of awful. We'll see but I think it'll require benching Eli for the year and Beckham going crazy or resting Barkley a lot more for them to have the worst record at the end of the year.
Well  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/11/2018 10:32 pm : link
Looks like Giants will get to pick whoever they want
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arcarsenal : 10/11/2018 10:33 pm : link
I definitely like Herbert more than Grier at this point.

I don't see it with Drew Lock at all.
RE: The Giants are god awful  
rocco8112 : 10/11/2018 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14121440 illmatic said:
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but I still doubt they're worst-team-in-the-NFL type of awful. We'll see but I think it'll require benching Eli for the year and Beckham going crazy or resting Barkley a lot more for them to have the worst record at the end of the year.


This team is clearly one of the worst three in league and I think a good case could be made it is the worst team in the NFL.

The Giants suck and now there will be the destruction of the team with distractions and endless media hounding etc.

Giants may certainly get top overall pick, I think this team may be a lock for a top four pick.
Giants  
pjcas18 : 10/11/2018 10:33 pm : link
tied the game up
RE: The Giants are god awful  
FStubbs : 10/11/2018 10:41 pm : link
In comment 14121440 illmatic said:
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but I still doubt they're worst-team-in-the-NFL type of awful. We'll see but I think it'll require benching Eli for the year and Beckham going crazy or resting Barkley a lot more for them to have the worst record at the end of the year.


I've got news for you:

This team was the 2nd worst in the NFL last year. The only team that was worse was literally one of the worst teams in NFL history.

That team has improved a lot while this team is at best no better.

This team is the worst in the NFL.
At this stage, I'm zeroed in on two guys:  
Anakim : 10/11/2018 10:44 pm : link
1) Justin Herbert, who I consider a better QB prospect than Rosen, Darnold and Allen. I'd also be more comfortable taking him than Baker Mayfield, but Mayfield is the more polished passer, IMO.

2) Dwayne Haskins Jr. of Ohio State, but I have to say, I thought he looked absolutely AWFUL against Penn State. The stats won't necessarily show it, but I think he only threw one or two good balls. He didn't have a good game by any means and it gave me some pause. I need to see more.
RE: The Giants are god awful  
Toth029 : 10/11/2018 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14121440 illmatic said:
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but I still doubt they're worst-team-in-the-NFL type of awful. We'll see but I think it'll require benching Eli for the year and Beckham going crazy or resting Barkley a lot more for them to have the worst record at the end of the year.

Who else will be bad that needs a QB?

Maybe Oakland and Denver. Tampa? Miami?
I like him the best out of this 2019 group  
montanagiant : 10/11/2018 11:17 pm : link
But being compared to Mariota does not elicit any real good feelings
RE: At this stage, I'm zeroed in on two guys:  
Kyle in NY : 10/11/2018 11:26 pm : link
In comment 14121614 Anakim said:
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1) Justin Herbert, who I consider a better QB prospect than Rosen, Darnold and Allen. I'd also be more comfortable taking him than Baker Mayfield, but Mayfield is the more polished passer, IMO.

2) Dwayne Haskins Jr. of Ohio State, but I have to say, I thought he looked absolutely AWFUL against Penn State. The stats won't necessarily show it, but I think he only threw one or two good balls. He didn't have a good game by any means and it gave me some pause. I need to see more.


You must have been watching a different game with Haskins. “Awful” is a complete exaggeration. He led his team back from a two score efecit in maybe the most difficult road environment in the country. Stop it
RE: RE: At this stage, I'm zeroed in on two guys:  
Anakim : 10/11/2018 11:35 pm : link
In comment 14122115 Kyle in NY said:
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1) Justin Herbert, who I consider a better QB prospect than Rosen, Darnold and Allen. I'd also be more comfortable taking him than Baker Mayfield, but Mayfield is the more polished passer, IMO.

2) Dwayne Haskins Jr. of Ohio State, but I have to say, I thought he looked absolutely AWFUL against Penn State. The stats won't necessarily show it, but I think he only threw one or two good balls. He didn't have a good game by any means and it gave me some pause. I need to see more.



You must have been watching a different game with Haskins. “Awful” is a complete exaggeration. He led his team back from a two score efecit in maybe the most difficult road environment in the country. Stop it


Dude, shut up. He didn't do anything well that game. All he did were dump-offs, short passes, screens, and scrambles. It was the epitome of a game-manager game. His 3 TDs were due to his receivers making phenomenal plays after the catch (especially the Victor one).

He's had better games, but that game left a sour taste in my mouth. It didn't show me franchise QB. It showed me an efficient game-manager.
Here are his "top plays" from that game. Care to tell me anything he did special in that game? - ( New Window )
Anak  
B in ALB : 10/11/2018 11:38 pm : link
Don't you know by now that any OSU player or coach is untouchable here on the BBI? Kyle will White Knight that shit every time! Innocent! Innocent, I say!
The hell with any of them  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2018 11:40 pm : link
Tua 2020 or bust
Shut up?  
Kyle in NY : 10/11/2018 11:40 pm : link
Good response. He dealt with a number of drops from his receivers early, took what the defense gave him late and led a come back victory on the road. Showed me more in a game like that when he wasn’t at his best and still won against a great team than in a blowout with 400 yards against a lesser team.

RE: Anak  
Kyle in NY : 10/11/2018 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14122286 B in ALB said:
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Don't you know by now that any OSU player or coach is untouchable here on the BBI? Kyle will White Knight that shit every time! Innocent! Innocent, I say!


Haha I don’t wanna hear anything from you! And I’m only talking on the field. Who the boys got tomorrow night?
RE: Shut up?  
Anakim : 10/11/2018 11:47 pm : link
In comment 14122311 Kyle in NY said:
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Good response. He dealt with a number of drops from his receivers early, took what the defense gave him late and led a come back victory on the road. Showed me more in a game like that when he wasn’t at his best and still won against a great team than in a blowout with 400 yards against a lesser team.


He was thoroughly average. Can you agree on that? He didn't do anything special that made you go, "Wow! THAT guy looks like a franchise QB." Other games, yes. He looked phenomenal against Rutgers (like that's hard) and Tulane. But Penn State is a different beast.

And I don't want to hear that Happy Valley is the hardest place to play in college football. They're Ohio State and Dwayne Haskins Jr. is a top prospect. If Haskins wants to be a top draft pick in 2019, he better be able to thrive in that environment because going to the Line and beating the Eagles won't be any easier.
*Linc  
Anakim : 10/11/2018 11:48 pm : link
Fucking autocorrect
Sure he was average, you said awful  
Kyle in NY : 10/11/2018 11:51 pm : link
It was his fifth career start. He’s a damn sophomore. And he came through when it mattered most. My only point is that game shouldnt be held as a mark against him. He’s immensely talented, he’s not a finished product, but he’s shown a lot.

And despite what our beloved Syracuse legend B says, I am capable of being rational when it comes to OSU. Haskins has done nothing but impress though
RE: The hell with any of them  
Sean : 10/11/2018 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14122305 Greg from LI said:
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Tua 2020 or bust


2020 is an eternity away. In 2016 the Giants were 11-5 & we all thought McAdoo was a long term coach here.
PSU  
MookGiants : 10/11/2018 11:59 pm : link
has a great atmosphere for big games, but they are below .500 in "white out" games at their stadium. Opponents have had a lot of success in Beaver Stadium for big games.

OSU may have come back down 2 scores in that game, but Haskins didn't impress me for even a second that entire game. The comeback basically consisted of bubble screens. I thought he was at the very best mediocre in that game, the only thing he did well was throw a bubble screen.
Certainly looking forward though  
Kyle in NY : 10/12/2018 12:00 am : link
to getting a better look at Herbert going forward now that our season is toast. Despite my affinity for Haskins, I don’t think he’s NFL ready yet and will likely be at OSU for another year barring a heisman/national championship run.

Hopefully JH is our guy
RE: Sure he was average, you said awful  
Anakim : 10/12/2018 12:02 am : link
In comment 14122452 Kyle in NY said:
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It was his fifth career start. He’s a damn sophomore. And he came through when it mattered most. My only point is that game shouldnt be held as a mark against him. He’s immensely talented, he’s not a finished product, but he’s shown a lot.

And despite what our beloved Syracuse legend B says, I am capable of being rational when it comes to OSU. Haskins has done nothing but impress though


Where did I say that? I said he's impressed for most of the season, but the Penn State game did give me pause. Why wouldn't it? It was his toughest game of the season and he didn't play well. Period. Ohio State won the game, but it wasn't because of how he played.

I need to see more. Yes, he's a RS Sophomore, but because of that and because of where we will be picking and the fact that we need a franchise QB, I wan to see him continue to impress like he did against the Rutgers and Tulanes of the world instead of disappoint like he did against Penn State.

That's all.
We  
Jerry in DC : 10/12/2018 12:08 am : link
Are going to be beer goggling these 2019 QBs. I sure hope we get a high pick and one of them turns out good.
RE: RE: Sure he was average, you said awful  
Kyle in NY : 10/12/2018 12:14 am : link
In comment 14122574 Anakim said:
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It was his fifth career start. He’s a damn sophomore. And he came through when it mattered most. My only point is that game shouldnt be held as a mark against him. He’s immensely talented, he’s not a finished product, but he’s shown a lot.

And despite what our beloved Syracuse legend B says, I am capable of being rational when it comes to OSU. Haskins has done nothing but impress though



Where did I say that? I said he's impressed for most of the season, but the Penn State game did give me pause. Why wouldn't it? It was his toughest game of the season and he didn't play well. Period. Ohio State won the game, but it wasn't because of how he played.

I need to see more. Yes, he's a RS Sophomore, but because of that and because of where we will be picking and the fact that we need a franchise QB, I wan to see him continue to impress like he did against the Rutgers and Tulanes of the world instead of disappoint like he did against Penn State.

That's all.


Dude your 10:44 post literally says he looked awful. Which I contended. It’s not a big deal, tonight sucked so I’m not looking to argue, I don’t think he disappointed in that game but I do agree he still has to show more before he’s considered first round caliber. But the tools are there. It’s still very early for him. Herbert is the one to focus on right now
RE: RE: RE: Sure he was average, you said awful  
Anakim : 10/12/2018 12:22 am : link
In comment 14122657 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 14122452 Kyle in NY said:


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It was his fifth career start. He’s a damn sophomore. And he came through when it mattered most. My only point is that game shouldnt be held as a mark against him. He’s immensely talented, he’s not a finished product, but he’s shown a lot.

And despite what our beloved Syracuse legend B says, I am capable of being rational when it comes to OSU. Haskins has done nothing but impress though



Where did I say that? I said he's impressed for most of the season, but the Penn State game did give me pause. Why wouldn't it? It was his toughest game of the season and he didn't play well. Period. Ohio State won the game, but it wasn't because of how he played.

I need to see more. Yes, he's a RS Sophomore, but because of that and because of where we will be picking and the fact that we need a franchise QB, I wan to see him continue to impress like he did against the Rutgers and Tulanes of the world instead of disappoint like he did against Penn State.

That's all.



Dude your 10:44 post literally says he looked awful. Which I contended. It’s not a big deal, tonight sucked so I’m not looking to argue, I don’t think he disappointed in that game but I do agree he still has to show more before he’s considered first round caliber. But the tools are there. It’s still very early for him. Herbert is the one to focus on right now


Yes, I said he looked awful IN THAT GAME. I guess in the sense that he didn't do anything to help his team win. For someone who was excited to see him play against a quality opponent like Penn State, I came away disappointed. I didn't say he looked awful all season. He's impressed for most of the season.
Yes  
Kyle in NY : 10/12/2018 12:35 am : link
I've been talking about the penn state game the whole time. He wasn't awful in that game. He was up and down, ultimately about average, but he got the win and it wasn't all on screen passes. It's fine, plenty of big games coming up to see what he's got
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Anakim : 10/12/2018 10:06 am : link
In comment 14122759 Kyle in NY said:
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I've been talking about the penn state game the whole time. He wasn't awful in that game. He was up and down, ultimately about average, but he got the win and it wasn't all on screen passes. It's fine, plenty of big games coming up to see what he's got


Yep. I think Minnesota will be a decent test for Haskins.
If we end up with the pick...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/12/2018 10:09 am : link
I'll be happy. I don't watch as much CFB as I'd like, but have watched him play. He's big, can move, has a strong and accurate arm. Not sure about the rest of it, but if Shurmur and crew like him and want him to be the next pick, I'd be ecstatic.

Hate that it's only October 12th and I'm excited for next April's draft.
I want to see Lauletta first  
Go Terps : 10/12/2018 10:11 am : link
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Biggest  
DanMetroMan : 10/12/2018 10:12 am : link
mistake they can make is use a very high pick on a QB they don't think is going to be a top notch guy. Yes, it's going to really suck watching Tyrod Taylor etc as our QB as we win 6-7 games but if you don't think a Herbert or Grier is worthy of a top 5 selection and are taking him because Eli is "done" over a guy like Bosa etc then you only made things worse than they already are
RE: I want to see Lauletta first  
Anakim : 10/12/2018 10:12 am : link
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Which we probably will in the coming months, but let's be honest: unless Lauletta absolutely lights it up and really shows something, it shouldn't preclude us from drafting a potentially better QB.
RE: Biggest  
Anakim : 10/12/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 14123694 DanMetroMan said:
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mistake they can make is use a very high pick on a QB they don't think is going to be a top notch guy. Yes, it's going to really suck watching Tyrod Taylor etc as our QB as we win 6-7 games but if you don't think a Herbert or Grier is worthy of a top 5 selection and are taking him because Eli is "done" over a guy like Bosa etc then you only made things worse than they already are


Correct, which is what I argued all last winter. I wasn't convinced that Darnold, Rosen and Allen would be franchise QBs. If I did, I would've been on board with drafting one of them instead of Saquon, who I believed was head-and-shoulders the best prospect in the Draft and the only guy worthy of a pick that high.
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