I keep seeing the game thread littered with people saying that there are a bunch of posters who don't think Eli is part of the problem and all they are doing is attacking "Eli haters".
Who doesn't think Eli is part of the problem? Seriously? The vast majority of posts tonight are acting like Eli is fucking up what otherwise is a win.
Eli is part of the problem. "Eli haters" think he's the only fucking problem. There are several problems on this team but simple-minded nimwits keep trying to pigeon-hole it into a debate that if you don't want Eli tarred and feathered, you are a "fanboy" and the stance that Eli is the problem with this team has to be acknowledged.
It doesn't. The team stinks right now is all aspects.
Why is this so fucking hard to understand??
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Calling out his play does not make someone an Eli hater. That is a bullshit narrative.
It's the notion that Eli is the sole reason why we're not winning games
And that there was another QB available in the draft or free agency who'd be doing better at the moment.
Josh - accept that we drafted Barkley.
Why the fuck is that so difficult to get over?? The guy is fucking amazing.
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Calling out his play does not make someone an Eli hater. That is a bullshit narrative.
It's the notion that Eli is the sole reason why we're not winning games
Where is anyone saying he's the sole reason we're losing?
You cannot play football at any level if you don’t have an OL. This offense sucks and it sucks for one reason. It is the clear worst OL in football for the second straight season. Maybe Manning is a negative. But it’s a moot point since they would be 1-5 regardless of who was playing QB.
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This team def has other issues but Eli has been consistently horrendous for 6 years straight and that’s the one constant. Accept it.
Josh - accept that we drafted Barkley.
Why the fuck is that so difficult to get over?? The guy is fucking amazing.
Not sure where this one came from either, as Josh has been blaming Eli for the team's offensive woes since Barkley was in high school.
I don't think anyone is saying this is a 5-1 roster. But this is a god awful 1-5 team.
29 other QBs could make this a respectable 1-5
20 other QBs could make this a 3-3 team
IMO
he just simply can not move, and he is not accurate whem he gets time
We are so far from compteting I genuinely genuinely think we should try and trade many of our biggest supposed assets. Beckham, Collins, Jenkins, and Vernon to name a few. Sure their contracts make it tough, but I would entertain offers for sure.
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this is exactly the shit that gets said:
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This team def has other issues but Eli has been consistently horrendous for 6 years straight and that’s the one constant. Accept it.
Josh - accept that we drafted Barkley.
Why the fuck is that so difficult to get over?? The guy is fucking amazing.
Not sure where this one came from either, as Josh has been blaming Eli for the team's offensive woes since Barkley was in high school.
Yep, I’ve been blaming eli for this team’s offensive woes since eli started deserving the blame for this team’s offensive woes. The rest of you guys are finally starting to realize that maybe I was right. As much as I love him for those two super bowl runs, smart fans can’t be blinded by bias and have to admit what their eyes tell them. Not what the heart wants to believe.
Not everyone. Just a select few. Must have ring hime a little bit for you.
Fix the line, Eli would be better, put a mobile quarterback like Wentz behind that line, and the offense would probably be better.
There's plenty of blame to go around.
The posts that totally absolve or blame Eli, are equally ridiculous.
Fix the line, Eli would be better, put a mobile quarterback like Wentz behind that line, and the offense would probably be better.
There's plenty of blame to go around.
The posts that totally absolve or blame Eli, are equally ridiculous.
the offensive line would need to be a brick wall
I do not, however, agree with the tone that this post uses to attack those with a differing opinion. This seems to be like the pot calling the kettle black. I believe that both "sides" of the Eli debate use hyperbole and attack the character of posters instead of using stats and logic. I can understand how short sighted view points can get annoying, but I've never seen anybody win a debate or prove a point during a discussion just by insulting another person.
Love Eli but he stinks right now. You can’t shake the feeling that if a GM was brought in from “outside the box” that they would have pushed strongly for some kind of move in the offseason. The coach literally yelled “throw the ball” and waved his hand down the field. Our o line sucks, our defense sucks, but unfortunately right now the quarterback sucks.
He cannot make a play. The first Wentz TD pass is something Eli absolutely wouldn’t be able to do under any circumstances right now. The precious few times he does get solid protection, he’s looking to dump the ball off, which is what set Shurmur off on the sideline. It won’t help because the team is broken but I bet the wheels are turning for some kind of move (whether it’s the “we’re gonna get Lauletta some time in the second half of games if the score permits” or something more drastic).
That’s not what he said. At all. It’s people saying he’s the ONLY reason the team sucks, there are plenty here.
How to straighten all this ...how? Is the big question. After trying year after year now. Major problem
Disingenuous.
Everyone WANTED Eli to succeed but many SAW that he likely was done. They at the same time as wanting Eli to succeed, wanted to draft his replacement. They probably also love Saquon (as I do - I mean, how can you not) but realize this is a QB driven league and great RBs can only do so much and, importantly, can only last so long.
This is what happens when you're old, immobile and play behind a line that allows you to be hit 10-12 times a game.
It's over for Eli, LAST week was his last hurrah , but when Eli threw it directly to the Saint coverage...TWICE, it was over.
I may be giving Beckham to much credit here but I think he's mad at the same things we are, the D has given up and walks through the plays, this Oline is abysmal and Eli's play has deteriorated
More than you think.
Eli was called a "clown" by someone who only posts on BBI when the Giants are bad and hides when they're good.
So, yes, hater.
This is literally and figuratively what holding onto a player one year too long looks like.
It's the epitome of what lots of people feared was going to going to happen and it's unfolding like a terrible joke.
When Patrick Omameh, or Nate Solder, or Cody Latimer, or Jenoris Jenkins, or Kareem Martin or anyone else has a dreadful stretch of games there isn't a chorus of the same posters lining up excuses.
You have posters on this site saying Manning has earned the right to play however long he wants because he won 2 Super Bowls.
There was an off-season of the same suspects saying they were (and they have) going to gloat that they were right about Manning returning.
So I hope the crew in their Manning footie jammies, holding their Manning commemorable teddy bears are really enjoying this.
This is exactly the type of post I'm referring to in the OP. Josh has been blaming Eli for the team's woes for 6 years. Patting himself on the back to say Eli is a shitty QB.
Yet, what changed from yesterday to last year? Nothing. But we lose against Philly and it is like a funeral dirge is going on with snickers about Checkdown Charlie and acting as if Eli is just crumbling in the face of phantom pressure.
While it is borne out of frustration, exactly what led so many to conclude on the threads last night, "AHA!! ELi is the cause of this disaster"? This is a poor football team. On my screen, when the giants had a couple 3rd and longs early on, did you guys also see the Eagles in a defensive formation where the front 4 was visible and everyone else was so far back in coverage that they were off the screen, so we threw short and I go to the game thread and you literally have people flipping out that we aren't throwing it deep!
Frustration that gives a platform for snark. I wanted the Giants to draft a QB and I have said for several years that Eli is part of the problem because his lack of mobility isn't a good fit on a team with a terrible OL. But because I call out fucking asswipes like Les who call people "Eli fanboys", or bw who acts like Manning shit on his duvet on draft day and admits holding that against Eli since, I'm looked at as an apologist or even the rather funny "Archie Manning in Charlotte"?
Even Josh used this thread to say, "I was right all along. Finally people are seeing it". No I'm not seeing it. Replace the QB on this team and we are still a bad team. We're still a frustrated team with a few players who look terrible when frustrated. We have some pieces, and I actually think we'll have a OL fix with parts of the current group. But it will be more for Barkley's team and a new signal caller when it comes together.
I'll say it again - I keep getting called an Eli apologist, but I'm just being what I've always been on BBI - a counter-point to terrible posts and takes. And since so many shitty takes are made regarding Eli, that's where you see the crap being thrown.
That's part of the problem. People actually don't mind seeing the team fail to rub it in poster's faces.
What are we allowed to say about
the owners?
the GM?
the coaches?
feel free to add to the list. it's hard for some of us to know all the state run talking points. It will prevent the independent thought or non sanctioned opinions that seem to drive you into a rage.
So, even improving the OL a little more right now may not yield the results that we are expecting out of Eli.
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So I hope the crew in their Manning footie jammies, holding their Manning commemorable teddy bears are really enjoying this.
That's part of the problem. People actually don't mind seeing the team fail to rub it in poster's faces.
You couldn't be any more wrong. This season is an absolute punch to the gut. It literally makes me sad.
But you are right -- I absolutely don't think it's wrong to get a chuckle out of the the lengths both the fans and organization have gone to, to hold onto an aging and declining QB.
With this total heap of shit strewn on the field every week, it's either laugh or cry.
It may be the same for awhile, and may even get worse for a bit. But it will ultimately get better, and if we find the right guy it may go quicker.
But this is a waste of time...
You replace eli and behind this line, any QB, including a mobile one will struggle. People are seeing what they want anymore. Eli fumbled at the 1 yard line and there were several posts saying he could've stepped up and made a throw, on a play where Solder was beaten immediately.
Heck, you even have one guy saying that all 31 other 31 QB's wouldn't have been sacked there (and no, I'm not making that up).
Let’s see what w have in KL, BEFORE we rush to take one of the “name” college QBs in lieu of much needed help elsewhere, starting with the OL, should a stud be available
You replace eli and behind this line, any QB, including a mobile one will struggle. People are seeing what they want anymore. Eli fumbled at the 1 yard line and there were several posts saying he could've stepped up and made a throw, on a play where Solder was beaten immediately.
Heck, you even have one guy saying that all 31 other 31 QB's wouldn't have been sacked there (and no, I'm not making that up).
Giants fans fit the Bell Curve very neatly... 10% crazy at both polar opposites of the "Eli spectrum" and 80% people who see a bunch of problems that can't be fixed overnight, or with a single position player.
You replace eli and behind this line, any QB, including a mobile one will struggle.
I agree with you that another QB would also struggle and would add that the offense still would not look great. However, other QBs would have a "chance" to make a play here and there.
The league has evolved as it always is. Right now, we are watching the pass rushers often dominate the OLs. They are much more athletic and even guys we thought were good OLs are getting beaten. Fans want the Eagles to move on from Jason Peters in case people here are not hearing that. So with that said, today's QBs cannot just sit back there anymore. It does not mean he cannot make a play or two and win a game or two... but what it means is your chances for success are going to be reduced because the comfort of your pocket is not what it used to be.
At least we have one thing entertaining about this team and hope we don’t waste too many of his years while we rebuild. It would be a shame to be a later day Detroit Lions in the Barry Sanders years. Those fans got entertained but never won anything.
At least we have one thing entertaining about this team and hope we don’t waste too many of his years while we rebuild. It would be a shame to be a later day Detroit Lions in the Barry Sanders years. Those fans got entertained but never won anything.
At least we have one thing entertaining about this team and hope we don’t waste too many of his years while we rebuild. It would be a shame to be a later day Detroit Lions in the Barry Sanders years. Those fans got entertained but never won anything.
Last night should do it to everyone. Eagles fans chanting an encore on national TV after laying the lumber on the Giants is the worst.
The fans should be pissed. The point of rooting and investing in the team is in the hopes of being entertained in the pursuit of winning.
It's not some ephemeral, esoteric concept of Eli Manning (or any player), or that player's supporters feeling respected.
The Giants suck and the quarterback they are dragging out there is shot. It's the worst quarterback play the Giants have witnessed this century.
The fans forgiving this nostalgia act are complicit. The most visible vote of no confidence is not showing up.