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Let's get something crystal clear on Eli..

FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2018 10:33 pm
I keep seeing the game thread littered with people saying that there are a bunch of posters who don't think Eli is part of the problem and all they are doing is attacking "Eli haters".

Who doesn't think Eli is part of the problem? Seriously? The vast majority of posts tonight are acting like Eli is fucking up what otherwise is a win.

Eli is part of the problem. "Eli haters" think he's the only fucking problem. There are several problems on this team but simple-minded nimwits keep trying to pigeon-hole it into a debate that if you don't want Eli tarred and feathered, you are a "fanboy" and the stance that Eli is the problem with this team has to be acknowledged.

It doesn't. The team stinks right now is all aspects.

Why is this so fucking hard to understand??
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Great post  
dep026 : 10/11/2018 10:34 pm : link
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The O-Line is awful  
Bockman : 10/11/2018 10:35 pm : link
Eli is average at best with a good O-Line.

Therefore both are the problem.
The team is a joke  
UESBLUE : 10/11/2018 10:37 pm : link
the QB is washed up the star WR is a nut job and the season is over. Any questions?
Well said, Fat Man  
Anakim : 10/11/2018 10:37 pm : link
Football is a team sport. Yes, the QB is the most important position on a team, but it's not the only position. And let's also not pretend like our defense is elite.


Eli is a problem. A big problem. Perhaps he's the weak link. But he's far from the only problem.
It’s psychologically easier  
family progtitioner : 10/11/2018 10:38 pm : link
To blame one guy than it is to accept the fact that the giants are the new browns.
I do not know what  
rocco8112 : 10/11/2018 10:38 pm : link
constitutes a fanboy, but I would identify as a huge Eli fan as I would think all Giants fans are, but he is not looking good and now has been the starting QB for what is maybe the worst offense in the NFL. This is during a football era where EVERYONE is scoring. This makes is very difficult to defend his starting job now.

He is also football old and has been punished physically for one and one half decades.
Who are the Eli haters?  
Sean : 10/11/2018 10:42 pm : link
Calling out his play does not make someone an Eli hater. That is a bullshit narrative.
Meh  
bigbluehoya : 10/11/2018 10:45 pm : link
The people who are getting primarily called out are the same ones who were adamant in the offseason that that Giants would and SHOULD keep Eli.

Obviously a ton of the posts are asinine and unfair. Maybe even most of the posts. But there’s some small amount of it that’s deserved.
RE: Who are the Eli haters?  
Anakim : 10/11/2018 10:46 pm : link
In comment 14121586 Sean said:
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Calling out his play does not make someone an Eli hater. That is a bullshit narrative.


It's the notion that Eli is the sole reason why we're not winning games
Eli is not  
MagicManning : 10/11/2018 10:54 pm : link
the only problem. He is a big part of the problem though. You can't be a 20 million dollar QB and miss open guys consistently, or not throw it to somebody who is in single coverage. Or turn the ball over every time you get tackled.
Spot on  
Thegratefulhead : 10/11/2018 10:54 pm : link
Everything you say here is accurate except one. The Eli apologists have a similar misconception. There is not one person on the it was the right time to move on from Eli side who doesn't understand the entire team stinks. We know it and that was the largest reason why we thought it was time to draft a quarterback. However I think I was wrong I knew Barkley was going to be good if he can stay healthy he might end up being the greatest running back to ever play, his physical tools are that impressive. If they actually do get him a dominant offensive line this kid is going to be an absolute joy to watch. I thought hand of God was hyperbole I was wrong.
RE: RE: Who are the Eli haters?  
Mdgiantsfan : 10/11/2018 10:55 pm : link
In comment 14121649 Anakim said:
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In comment 14121586 Sean said:


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Calling out his play does not make someone an Eli hater. That is a bullshit narrative.



It's the notion that Eli is the sole reason why we're not winning games

The fact remains he is part of the problem. An immobile, shell shocked QB on this team is a recipe for disaster! And him being as experienced as he is playing the most important position in football makes his impact on the game larger than most. And he just cant lead this team any more.

I like Eli but his time up.
God bless you  
Russ in Queens, NYC : 10/11/2018 10:56 pm : link
FMiC
RE: I do not know what  
Bill L : 10/11/2018 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14121531 rocco8112 said:
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constitutes a fanboy, but I would identify as a huge Eli fan as I would think all Giants fans are, but he is not looking good and now has been the starting QB for what is maybe the worst offense in the NFL. This is during a football era where EVERYONE is scoring. This makes is very difficult to defend his starting job now.

He is also football old and has been punished physically for one and one half decades.

I don’t think the Giants are the new Browns. I still don’t. I approach every game as if the Giants can win it, even though they might not. I don’t think that the Browns fans ever thought that.
Its funny FMiC  
dep026 : 10/11/2018 10:57 pm : link
you make an awesome thread.... that a few minutes later one of our finest starts using Fanboys. This place is getting worse by the day.
Eli is a major problem  
Josh in the City : 10/11/2018 10:57 pm : link
No way around it and now even some of the Eli diehards are forced to come around (even a little). If the offense got some momentum and scored some points and sustained some drives you’d be shocked to see what kind of impact that could have on the defense. This team def has other issues but Eli has been consistently horrendous for 6 years straight and that’s the one constant. Accept it.
Can we just get  
Pete in MD : 10/11/2018 10:59 pm : link
an option QB and run with SB and jet sweeps with Odell?
Applause for Fatman  
BBelle21 : 10/11/2018 11:01 pm : link
It’s unbelievable to witness
RE: RE: Who are the Eli haters?  
BlackLight : 10/11/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14121649 Anakim said:
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In comment 14121586 Sean said:


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Calling out his play does not make someone an Eli hater. That is a bullshit narrative.



It's the notion that Eli is the sole reason why we're not winning games


And that there was another QB available in the draft or free agency who'd be doing better at the moment.
Yep..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2018 11:04 pm : link
this is exactly the shit that gets said:

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This team def has other issues but Eli has been consistently horrendous for 6 years straight and that’s the one constant. Accept it.


Josh - accept that we drafted Barkley.

Why the fuck is that so difficult to get over?? The guy is fucking amazing.
RE: RE: Who are the Eli haters?  
jcn56 : 10/11/2018 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14121649 Anakim said:
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In comment 14121586 Sean said:


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Calling out his play does not make someone an Eli hater. That is a bullshit narrative.



It's the notion that Eli is the sole reason why we're not winning games


Where is anyone saying he's the sole reason we're losing?
Look..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2018 11:07 pm : link
at the game thread.
The Giants have a horrible offense with maybe the best WR in football,  
baadbill : 10/11/2018 11:08 pm : link
the best RB in football, and one of the best TEs. I have no idea if Manning is a positive or a negative because I’m convinced you could add any QB in history to this team and they’d still be 1-5 and the worst offense in football.

You cannot play football at any level if you don’t have an OL. This offense sucks and it sucks for one reason. It is the clear worst OL in football for the second straight season. Maybe Manning is a negative. But it’s a moot point since they would be 1-5 regardless of who was playing QB.
RE: Yep..  
jcn56 : 10/11/2018 11:08 pm : link
In comment 14121847 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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this is exactly the shit that gets said:



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This team def has other issues but Eli has been consistently horrendous for 6 years straight and that’s the one constant. Accept it.



Josh - accept that we drafted Barkley.

Why the fuck is that so difficult to get over?? The guy is fucking amazing.


Not sure where this one came from either, as Josh has been blaming Eli for the team's offensive woes since Barkley was in high school.
RE: It’s psychologically easier  
V.I.G. : 10/11/2018 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14121527 family progtitioner said:
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To blame one guy than it is to accept the fact that the giants are the new browns.

I don't think anyone is saying this is a 5-1 roster. But this is a god awful 1-5 team.

29 other QBs could make this a respectable 1-5
20 other QBs could make this a 3-3 team

IMO
the oline is bad  
nygiants16 : 10/11/2018 11:10 pm : link
but eli can not move, he can not even feel the pressure anymore, he cant even simply step up...

he just simply can not move, and he is not accurate whem he gets time
There is no team on the field...  
bradshaw44 : 10/11/2018 11:24 pm : link
There is Barkley and some other guys wearing white that I think are supposed to help him.

We are so far from compteting I genuinely genuinely think we should try and trade many of our biggest supposed assets. Beckham, Collins, Jenkins, and Vernon to name a few. Sure their contracts make it tough, but I would entertain offers for sure.
RE: RE: Yep..  
Josh in the City : 10/11/2018 11:26 pm : link
In comment 14121908 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14121847 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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this is exactly the shit that gets said:



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This team def has other issues but Eli has been consistently horrendous for 6 years straight and that’s the one constant. Accept it.



Josh - accept that we drafted Barkley.

Why the fuck is that so difficult to get over?? The guy is fucking amazing.



Not sure where this one came from either, as Josh has been blaming Eli for the team's offensive woes since Barkley was in high school.


Yep, I’ve been blaming eli for this team’s offensive woes since eli started deserving the blame for this team’s offensive woes. The rest of you guys are finally starting to realize that maybe I was right. As much as I love him for those two super bowl runs, smart fans can’t be blinded by bias and have to admit what their eyes tell them. Not what the heart wants to believe.
Eli sucks  
BigK : 10/11/2018 11:30 pm : link
Defense sucks, oline sucks. Terrible team
a mobile QB would really help with the other players we have,  
Del Shofner : 10/11/2018 11:35 pm : link
and Eli ain't mobile. So it's a bad fit. I love Eli but, big picture, it's time to start moving on in our thinking. Good OLs aren't growing on trees in college ball any more either, so I think mobility is going to be a need going forward.
Nice to see...  
bw in dc : 10/11/2018 11:40 pm : link
Archie Manning in Charlotte leading the charge to protect Eli.
Did you  
Jerry in DC : 10/11/2018 11:42 pm : link
Really ask who doesn't think eli is part of the problem? On bbi? Seriously? You could probably find 100s of posts that literally say eli is not the problem.
So glad we have Dep and FMIC  
oldutican : 10/11/2018 11:44 pm : link
to tell everyone how stupid they are. Never mind that there is no one who doesn’t realize that both Eli and the line are bad and the reasons the offense sucks.
He is just part of the problem..  
EricJ : 10/11/2018 11:52 pm : link
and I have said he is the worst QB for THIS OL. Other QBs would struggle for sure playing behind these guys. Eli has no shot really when they play like this while someone else can use his athleticism to still make some plays.
RE: So glad we have Dep and FMIC  
dep026 : 10/11/2018 11:53 pm : link
In comment 14122379 oldutican said:
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to tell everyone how stupid they are. Never mind that there is no one who doesn’t realize that both Eli and the line are bad and the reasons the offense sucks.


Not everyone. Just a select few. Must have ring hime a little bit for you.
The offensive line  
joeinpa : 10/12/2018 12:18 am : link
is a sieve, and Eli is an immobile quarterback who can not be consistently successful behind it.

Fix the line, Eli would be better, put a mobile quarterback like Wentz behind that line, and the offense would probably be better.

There's plenty of blame to go around.

The posts that totally absolve or blame Eli, are equally ridiculous.

RE: The offensive line  
nygiants16 : 10/12/2018 12:20 am : link
In comment 14122679 joeinpa said:
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is a sieve, and Eli is an immobile quarterback who can not be consistently successful behind it.

Fix the line, Eli would be better, put a mobile quarterback like Wentz behind that line, and the offense would probably be better.

There's plenty of blame to go around.

The posts that totally absolve or blame Eli, are equally ridiculous.


the offensive line would need to be a brick wall
I 100% agree with the contents of this post regarding Eli.  
JustaDiscussion : 10/12/2018 12:40 am : link
He is part of a failing complex system with multiple problems. His spot on the overall Pareto of problems can be debated in many ways.

I do not, however, agree with the tone that this post uses to attack those with a differing opinion. This seems to be like the pot calling the kettle black. I believe that both "sides" of the Eli debate use hyperbole and attack the character of posters instead of using stats and logic. I can understand how short sighted view points can get annoying, but I've never seen anybody win a debate or prove a point during a discussion just by insulting another person.
I've seen people suggest extending Eli  
AcesUp : 10/12/2018 1:25 am : link
More than a few. That's not "he's part of the problem talk". I could only speak for myself but I feel the need to criticize Eli because he's the only weakness on this team that people defend. I don't see anybody caping for the OL.
RE: Nice to see...  
Les in TO : 10/12/2018 5:51 am : link
In comment 14122312 bw in dc said:
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Archie Manning in Charlotte leading the charge to protect Eli.
lol
The problem is, at his salary  
mattnyg05 : 10/12/2018 6:15 am : link
and with these results, it is a tough pill to swallow.

Love Eli but he stinks right now. You can’t shake the feeling that if a GM was brought in from “outside the box” that they would have pushed strongly for some kind of move in the offseason. The coach literally yelled “throw the ball” and waved his hand down the field. Our o line sucks, our defense sucks, but unfortunately right now the quarterback sucks.

He cannot make a play. The first Wentz TD pass is something Eli absolutely wouldn’t be able to do under any circumstances right now. The precious few times he does get solid protection, he’s looking to dump the ball off, which is what set Shurmur off on the sideline. It won’t help because the team is broken but I bet the wheels are turning for some kind of move (whether it’s the “we’re gonna get Lauletta some time in the second half of games if the score permits” or something more drastic).
The OL sucks. No disputing that.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/12/2018 6:23 am : link
But Eli is done. I love the man, but it's time to move on.
RE: Who are the Eli haters?  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/12/2018 6:25 am : link
In comment 14121586 Sean said:
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Calling out his play does not make someone an Eli hater. That is a bullshit narrative.


That’s not what he said. At all. It’s people saying he’s the ONLY reason the team sucks, there are plenty here.
I think most recognize the OL sucks, D is mediocre & it’s not ALL Eli  
TD : 10/12/2018 6:26 am : link
But there are a number of posters (not to mention, our GM) who in the offseason thought Eli had a few good years left and also thought we could be competitive this year. I think a lot of the Eli “hate” is directed at them.
As can see it's many parts that are the problem..many not just the qb  
micky : 10/12/2018 6:33 am : link
Yes.

How to straighten all this ...how? Is the big question. After trying year after year now. Major problem
If hate needs to spread to  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 6:34 am : link
Posters who wanted Eli to succeed, then that’s sad.
RE: If hate needs to spread to  
TD : 10/12/2018 6:47 am : link
In comment 14122963 dep026 said:
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Posters who wanted Eli to succeed, then that’s sad.


Disingenuous.

Everyone WANTED Eli to succeed but many SAW that he likely was done. They at the same time as wanting Eli to succeed, wanted to draft his replacement. They probably also love Saquon (as I do - I mean, how can you not) but realize this is a QB driven league and great RBs can only do so much and, importantly, can only last so long.
RE: Eli is a major problem  
Matt M. : 10/12/2018 7:06 am : link
In comment 14121782 Josh in the City said:
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No way around it and now even some of the Eli diehards are forced to come around (even a little). If the offense got some momentum and scored some points and sustained some drives you’d be shocked to see what kind of impact that could have on the defense. This team def has other issues but Eli has been consistently horrendous for 6 years straight and that’s the one constant. Accept it.
It really helps when people don't make shit up. In 2014 and 2015 Eli had probably his 2 best seasons. That was with virtually the same OL he had the last 2 years. So 6 years straight is ridiculously wrong.
Eli will be gone after this year....  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 7:08 am : link
I just wonder who the next whipping boy is gonna be when we suck again next year.

Eli  
liteamorn : 10/12/2018 7:52 am : link
Is shell shocked, He's looking for pressure before it's there. He's throwing the ball early and he's throwing it late and when he does let it go he's missing his receivers.
This is what happens when you're old, immobile and play behind a line that allows you to be hit 10-12 times a game.
It's over for Eli, LAST week was his last hurrah , but when Eli threw it directly to the Saint coverage...TWICE, it was over.
I may be giving Beckham to much credit here but I think he's mad at the same things we are, the D has given up and walks through the plays, this Oline is abysmal and Eli's play has deteriorated
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