I think most of us are in agreement that Eli is done. It's a sad realization, but it's one that we must face. He simply doesn't have it anymore. In addition, if we cut Eli in the offseason, we'll save $17 million dollars. Needless to say, that's a HUGE chunk of change, especially for a team that doesn't have a ton of cap room to begin with (at least compared to other teams).
So let's look at next year. Say we take a QB like Herbert or Haskins with our first round pick. Both guys probably won't be ready to start right away, which is fine as they each need seasoning and time to develop. Now, I'm saying this 11 months out. Things can change obviously. Josh Allen was considered as green as green can be, but he's starting (albeit not playing particularly well.)
But if we are to go the orthodox route and start a veteran QB until our neophyte is ready, who will that veteran QB be?
I think the most likely option would be Sam Bradford given his experience with Pat Shurmur.
I think Teddy Bridgewater would be a fantastic option, but it's likely he'll be retained in New Orleans.
Tyrod Taylor would certainly bring mobility and would bring that short-to-immediate passing game that Shurmur likes.
Nick Foles will probably look to be a longterm starter somewhere.
Ryan Fitzpatrick would be the true definition of a stopgap.
And we'll see if guys like Jameis Winston and Derek Carr break free.
But who would you prefer to start for the Giants in 2019?
I thought you were a lawyer - you really want to be responsible for so many people jumping to their deaths?
i agree...
herbert will be a giant though....
I thought you were a lawyer - you really want to be responsible for so many people jumping to their deaths?
lmao
giants were never trading for bridgewater, wouldnt want to piss eli off..
I thought you were a lawyer - you really want to be responsible for so many people jumping to their deaths?
Hey, he may be able to play two games before he gets injured and we have to trot out our rookie QB
Back-to-back-to-back top-3 picks
It's like Sam Hinkie became GM
Then his contract needs to be restructured at the very least
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Herbert will be our starting QB from day 1 next season. We are winning 3 games tops.
Back-to-back-to-back top-3 picks
It's like Sam Hinkie became GM
nah herb will win a few games....another year of OL rebuild, barkley, engram, beckham, shep....they be good
Maybe Case Keenum when he's cut in Denver.
It better be a young guy like Lauletta, or a rookies who has a chance to be the next guy.
Tyrod sucked (and got injured but mostly sucked) so they put in Mayfield
Darnold played well in preseason so he won the job right out of camp.
Cardinals were winless so they put in Rosen to get a jolt
Nathan Peterman was atrocious in the one half he played so they put in Josh Allen
Sorry, but I don't want the veteran QB to suck and lose games. Yes, he'd be keeping the seat warm for the young QB, but I also would like to win some games under him.
Maybe Case Keenum when he's cut in Denver.
I could see this happening and the giants drafting a kid as well. Keenum starts the season off the rookie comes when the team is 1-6.
Yessir
Maybe Case Keenum when he's cut in Denver.
Yep. Keenum is another option as he's familiar with Shurmur's offense. We'll see if Elway cuts him. Maybe Tannehill, Flacco, Bortles (God help us) or Mariota will shake loose as well. Would certainly be interesting having both Mariota AND Herbert.
And speaking of the Broncos, Elway is an absolutely horrible GM and a horrible drafter.
Here are the options:
1. Draft a QB high if the Giants are in that position and either let Eli play out the last year or cut him and let the rookie start from day 1.
2. Build the rest of the roster and revisit the QB situation after the ‘19 season.
Here are the options:
1. Draft a QB high if the Giants are in that position and either let Eli play out the last year or cut him and let the rookie start from day 1.
2. Build the rest of the roster and revisit the QB situation after the ‘19 season.
+1. There's no point in cutting Eli and signing an equally mediocre guy with his cap savings. I'm still 100% on board with cutting Eli though. Draft a guy and start him from Day 1 or scrape the bottom of the barrel in FA and let him duke it out with Lauletta. We're going to get shit QB play in 2019 regardless, put the money into the OL.
They won’t be 10 mil cheaper. There’s the dead money hit from cutting Eli plus the cost of signing one of these hapless vets.
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Would you have Eli at his cap or a guy like Bradford and Keenum who would be, let's say, 10 million dollars cheaper?
They won’t be 10 mil cheaper. There’s the dead money hit from cutting Eli plus the cost of signing one of these hapless vets.
If memory serves (I'm not near a computer), the dead money would be 6 million and the cap savings would be 17 million.
I actually don't think we're drafting a qb next year. Our pick probably won't be as high and this class is weaker than 18 and 20. I see a lineman as our top pick - either side of the ball.
I dont see eli walking away from the millions on his contract and I'm not sure our leadership has the stones to cut him in favor of a journeyman. I hope he retires and has as dignified an exit as possible but I'm not sure it's going to happen
Put anyone under center (except Bradford) and this team is already better.
If we pick Top 10, I expect Jonas Williams to be in consideration.
Those pounding the table for a QB should brace yourself to be disappointed.
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Just retool that OL
Then his contract needs to be restructured at the very least
How do you propose restructuring a deal with 1 year remaining? If you are proposing that Eli will tear up the final year of his contract to make less than $17M, you aren't paying attention to QB salaries.
Sam Bradford will have $20M in cash earnings this year. Keenum will have $18M in cash earnings this year and 2019.
Eli will have 17M in cash earnings for 2019.
You're a lawyer, but bad at math. How do you propose the math works out that it will be $10M cheaper.
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Just retool that OL
Then his contract needs to be restructured at the very least
How do you propose restructuring a deal with 1 year remaining? If you are proposing that Eli will tear up the final year of his contract to make less than $17M, you aren't paying attention to QB salaries.
Then he shouldn't be the QB. Period. There's no way you can justify keeping Eli at his current salary, especially when cutting him would get us 17M in desperately-needed cap space.
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Would you have Eli at his cap or a guy like Bradford and Keenum who would be, let's say, 10 million dollars cheaper?
Sam Bradford will have $20M in cash earnings this year. Keenum will have $18M in cash earnings this year and 2019.
Eli will have 17M in cash earnings for 2019.
You're a lawyer, but bad at math. How do you propose the math works out that it will be $10M cheaper.
And you think Bradford is going to get 20M next year on a new team? He's going to get cut. He'd be lucky to get half of that on a one-year deal. My guess is he's going to sign a one-year deal in the neighborhood of 7-8M.
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For less than 11M? I don't know. I don't know who will be available. I can conjure a guess that Bradford will be because I can't see how the Cardinals will keep him when they have Rosen. I also can't see how Bradford will get anything more than 8M.
Fitzpatrick would definitely sign for less than 11M. Hell, the guy is making 3.3M now.