1. OL needs work next year. Not just a guy or two. They need quality.
2. The defense needs play makers. They need pass rushers in the worst way.
3. The corners on this team can’t tackle worth a shit. They can’t fight through blocks worth a shit.
4. Sterling Sheppard is a mediocre WR. Invisible when it matters.
5. Barkley is the best back in the league.
Barkley is damn good. Fox was comparing him to Barry Sanders early in the game. Lion fans will tell you he was awesome in the late 80’s-mid 90’s. They’ll also tell you the team blew ass in that time period.
It’s a different era.
I think the organization is a year away from being in the mix. They’re just going to have to be sharp in FA and have another good draft.
OL is worse. No Pugh, Jones, Fluker, or Richburg. Highest paid LT i n the league, solder, is mediocre to bad. Using $90M man to return punts because Gettleman dumps Sharp? Andrew Adams, who started in 2016, in a defense that was far superior to this one, replaced with Riley? Riley would not be on any other roster, let alone starting. The talent level on this team, with the obvious exception of Barkley, is worse than the past two years. Gettlebelly and Shurmur are not rebuilding or playing for immediate success; they eliminated much of the superior talent and replaced it with inferior talent. This “game” is insulting to Giants fans.
The season is over in mid-October, and the team as it is cannot beat anyone. So....play some hungry players like Lauletta. Bring back Martin as RB and try pkayers whom Gettleman and Shurmur summarily dumped from the roster. Play them. This roster is terrible, and the front office and coaches are even worse.
the OL sucks i agree and up until this point i am an eli defender to death but he just doesnt have it anymore...he is slow, has accuracy issues, doesnt trust arm, doesnt trust OL. he just overall doesnt look like he has it anymore....
i think 2019 they go hard after the QB of their choice, altho may not have to do anything, we could be picking #1
Are there really? I’m beginning to have my doubts.
More than doubt. Talent? This team is the worst in the NFL. We have a lot of overrated players.
Landon Collins and Sterling Shepard are JAGs.
Omameh is worse than John Jerry. Jaguar fans were laughing at us the same way we laugh at the Bengals for starting Bobby Hart.
Bill Belichick knows when to get rid of players. Nate Solder is in decline.
Odell Beckham isn't the same player. He's lost a step. He has a lot of empty stats this year.
Janoris Jenkins has checked out of this team.
okay collins isnt a jag thats insane. obj hasnt lost a step, he is being double covered and no other WR scares the defense so he sees doubles all day....manning cant make the tight throws anymore....there is more to this ythan just beckhams ability...
Beckham is not injured. We added what looks to be the best RB in the league added the highest paid Offensive lineman in the league and have legitimately the best rookie lineman in the league. Oh and added an “offensive guru” somehow this offense is worse. That’s offensive.
Pitiful performance. Oline terrible, Receivers couldn’t get open, CBs couldn’t cover a cold, STs couldn’t tackle. Rinse, repeat.....same thing every week.
Don't give me that "receivers don't get open" horseshit. There was an open receiver (Shepard) on the 2nd play of the game when Eli decided to jam the ball into the TE, leading to the INT.
- They threw 3 passes beyond the first down marker to Odell and 2 of them were terrible passes.
- They had 1st & 20 after the Shepard penalty and proceeded to throw 3 passes a grand total of 4 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.
The offensive line looks exactly the same as last year, but with 5 new starters. How is that even possible?
this is the game that pretty much ends Eli's career as a Giant. They're more than likely going to have a top 5 pick again this offseason so they'll be even more of a laughing stock if they don't take a QB..
Offensive line couldn't pass block at all ..
Eli got the crap beat out of him and I don't recall anyone
wide open . With no TE we were hampered .
Barkley OBJ 22 targets
So they double up OBJ and Barkley got mostly dump-offs
With no TE to worry about and getting down two TD's Early
we abandoned the run .If Lattimer is gonna continue to start they have to use him more .
Wentz is a great QB and he had all night to throw .
They beat us in the trenches every damn game .
Pitiful performance. Oline terrible, Receivers couldn’t get open, CBs couldn’t cover a cold, STs couldn’t tackle. Rinse, repeat.....same thing every week.
Don't give me that "receivers don't get open" horseshit. There was an open receiver (Shepard) on the 2nd play of the game when Eli decided to jam the ball into the TE, leading to the INT.
- They threw 3 passes beyond the first down marker to Odell and 2 of them were terrible passes.
- They had 1st & 20 after the Shepard penalty and proceeded to throw 3 passes a grand total of 4 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.
The offensive line looks exactly the same as last year, but with 5 new starters. How is that even possible?
but when your hits & sacks are in double figures - you're going to struggle.
He threw an awful pick on the second play of the game. The hits and sacks hadn't even occurred yet. Enough excuses... he simply isn't good enough right now.
and talk about getting Lauletta ready to play following the BYE week.
Trade deadline is October 30th and Gettleman should explore moving any and everyone not named Saquon Barkley out of here.
Suspend Beckham a week for conduct detrimental to the team.
Play this out and lock up another top pick.
Beckham should be the first guy up for trade.
We just gave Odell a huge contract....money well spent...lol
I agree, trade him.... and get someone in who might think about the team before their self....
He not the spotlight of this offense anymore and it's starting to show in his "play making ability". Eagles secondary were ripe for the picking and he didn't show up...
He got more out of the Browns. Let that sink in for a minute and fight the urge to chug some bleach
What on earth prompted Mara and Tisch to hire Shurmur? He was 9-23 as the Browns’ HC, and his teams scored points in bottom 1/2 and 1/4 of the league more often than not. His best success was 2 years under Chip Kelly. Did the owners think that another unsuccessful OC (and HC), who also calls plays from a diner menu during the game and also prefers to have the defense appear to be the culprit in losses, would somehow improve team?
He got more out of the Browns. Let that sink in for a minute and fight the urge to chug some bleach
What on earth prompted Mara and Tisch to hire Shurmur? He was 9-23 as the Browns’ HC, and his teams scored points in bottom 1/2 and 1/4 of the league more often than not. His best success was 2 years under Chip Kelly. Did the owners think that another unsuccessful OC (and HC), who also calls plays from a diner menu during the game and also prefers to have the defense appear to be the culprit in losses, would somehow improve team?
Maybe he said what Mara wanted to hear: that he thought they could still win with Eli?
RE: It's not a question whether or not the Giants Â
which was essentially a pick 6, had an enormous negative effect on the morale of the team - especially the defense. They never really recovered from it. I think you can mark that point (at the very start of the game) as what was the beginning of the end.
which was essentially a pick 6, had an enormous negative effect on the morale of the team - especially the defense. They never really recovered from it. I think you can mark that point (at the very start of the game) as what was the beginning of the end.
Then that’s really sad. If one bad plays has that effect on a team.... then we are going to suck for years. I think the defense just looks for excuses to hide their ineptness.
which was essentially a pick 6, had an enormous negative effect on the morale of the team - especially the defense. They never really recovered from it. I think you can mark that point (at the very start of the game) as what was the beginning of the end.
Then that’s really sad. If one bad plays has that effect on a team.... then we are going to suck for years. I think the defense just looks for excuses to hide their ineptness.
The int was a big play. Fall behind 7-0 right out of the box. But agree plenty of time to regroup.
I do agree though that that the defense (and even some players on offense) are playing down to the level of the ineffectiveness they see in Eli. The defense was never really going to be a strong unit this year, particularly the LBs and Secondary so that margin of difference in their play is not wildly off.
saying again, 2017 and 2018 are a colossal waste of time other than picking up draft collateral...
which was essentially a pick 6, had an enormous negative effect on the morale of the team - especially the defense. They never really recovered from it. I think you can mark that point (at the very start of the game) as what was the beginning of the end.
I agree. Then the fumble deep in their own end was the exclamation point even though they recovered it.
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and that's why he left the field.
Hmmmmmmmmm
Sorry...I cant believe that...excuse
where are you watching?
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He's the only one.
where are you watching?
WFAN radio postgame online.
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1. OL needs work next year. Not just a guy or two. They need quality.
2. The defense needs play makers. They need pass rushers in the worst way.
3. The corners on this team can’t tackle worth a shit. They can’t fight through blocks worth a shit.
4. Sterling Sheppard is a mediocre WR. Invisible when it matters.
5. Barkley is the best back in the league.
Barkley is damn good. Fox was comparing him to Barry Sanders early in the game. Lion fans will tell you he was awesome in the late 80’s-mid 90’s. They’ll also tell you the team blew ass in that time period.
It’s a different era.
I think the organization is a year away from being in the mix. They’re just going to have to be sharp in FA and have another good draft.
The season is over in mid-October, and the team as it is cannot beat anyone. So....play some hungry players like Lauletta. Bring back Martin as RB and try pkayers whom Gettleman and Shurmur summarily dumped from the roster. Play them. This roster is terrible, and the front office and coaches are even worse.
Lol I was thinking the same thing! The only silver lining.
guys...its eli....
the OL sucks i agree and up until this point i am an eli defender to death but he just doesnt have it anymore...he is slow, has accuracy issues, doesnt trust arm, doesnt trust OL. he just overall doesnt look like he has it anymore....
i think 2019 they go hard after the QB of their choice, altho may not have to do anything, we could be picking #1
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and talk about getting Lauletta ready to play following the BYE week.
Trade deadline is October 30th and Gettleman should explore moving any and everyone not named Saquon Barkley out of here.
Suspend Beckham a week for conduct detrimental to the team.
Play this out and lock up another top pick.
Beckham should be the first guy up for trade.
This team without Beckham won't go far.. you can't give up on his kind of talent
Hmmmmmmmmm
I have a feeling some in the media won’t buy that. Francesa in particular.
Oline is most pressing need.
"Love the effort"
-Jay Cutler
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but the team is less than the sum of its parts
Are there really? I’m beginning to have my doubts.
More than doubt. Talent? This team is the worst in the NFL. We have a lot of overrated players.
Landon Collins and Sterling Shepard are JAGs.
Omameh is worse than John Jerry. Jaguar fans were laughing at us the same way we laugh at the Bengals for starting Bobby Hart.
Bill Belichick knows when to get rid of players. Nate Solder is in decline.
Odell Beckham isn't the same player. He's lost a step. He has a lot of empty stats this year.
Janoris Jenkins has checked out of this team.
He got more out of the Browns. Let that sink in for a minute and fight the urge to chug some bleach
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and talk about getting Lauletta ready to play following the BYE week.
Trade deadline is October 30th and Gettleman should explore moving any and everyone not named Saquon Barkley out of here.
Suspend Beckham a week for conduct detrimental to the team.
Play this out and lock up another top pick.
Beckham should be the first guy up for trade.
This team without Beckham won't go far.. you can't give up on his kind of talent
We're 1-5 so we aren't going anywhere with him so is.
And my point is I'm not seeing that talent this year. I think he's lost a step.
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but the team is less than the sum of its parts
Are there really? I’m beginning to have my doubts.
More than doubt. Talent? This team is the worst in the NFL. We have a lot of overrated players.
Landon Collins and Sterling Shepard are JAGs.
Omameh is worse than John Jerry. Jaguar fans were laughing at us the same way we laugh at the Bengals for starting Bobby Hart.
Bill Belichick knows when to get rid of players. Nate Solder is in decline.
Odell Beckham isn't the same player. He's lost a step. He has a lot of empty stats this year.
Janoris Jenkins has checked out of this team.
okay collins isnt a jag thats insane. obj hasnt lost a step, he is being double covered and no other WR scares the defense so he sees doubles all day....manning cant make the tight throws anymore....there is more to this ythan just beckhams ability...
Don't give me that "receivers don't get open" horseshit. There was an open receiver (Shepard) on the 2nd play of the game when Eli decided to jam the ball into the TE, leading to the INT.
- They threw 3 passes beyond the first down marker to Odell and 2 of them were terrible passes.
- They had 1st & 20 after the Shepard penalty and proceeded to throw 3 passes a grand total of 4 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.
The offensive line looks exactly the same as last year, but with 5 new starters. How is that even possible?
And my point is I'm not seeing that talent this year. I think he's lost a step.
No one thought that after week 1 when he whipped Jalen Ramsey's ass.
Eli got the crap beat out of him and I don't recall anyone
wide open . With no TE we were hampered .
Barkley OBJ 22 targets
So they double up OBJ and Barkley got mostly dump-offs
With no TE to worry about and getting down two TD's Early
we abandoned the run .If Lattimer is gonna continue to start they have to use him more .
Wentz is a great QB and he had all night to throw .
They beat us in the trenches every damn game .
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Pitiful performance. Oline terrible, Receivers couldn’t get open, CBs couldn’t cover a cold, STs couldn’t tackle. Rinse, repeat.....same thing every week.
Don't give me that "receivers don't get open" horseshit. There was an open receiver (Shepard) on the 2nd play of the game when Eli decided to jam the ball into the TE, leading to the INT.
- They threw 3 passes beyond the first down marker to Odell and 2 of them were terrible passes.
- They had 1st & 20 after the Shepard penalty and proceeded to throw 3 passes a grand total of 4 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.
The offensive line looks exactly the same as last year, but with 5 new starters. How is that even possible?
Our scouts and Chris Mara evaluating playere
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but the team is less than the sum of its parts
Are there really? I’m beginning to have my doubts.
If the team is less than the sum of its parts, the problem has to be coaching.
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and that's why he left the field.
Hmmmmmmmmm
Sorry...I cant believe that...excuse
And you can prove that he didn't, how?
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and talk about getting Lauletta ready to play following the BYE week.
Trade deadline is October 30th and Gettleman should explore moving any and everyone not named Saquon Barkley out of here.
Suspend Beckham a week for conduct detrimental to the team.
Play this out and lock up another top pick.
Beckham should be the first guy up for trade.
Just stop. They aren't trading Beckham.
He threw an awful pick on the second play of the game. The hits and sacks hadn't even occurred yet. Enough excuses... he simply isn't good enough right now.
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and talk about getting Lauletta ready to play following the BYE week.
Trade deadline is October 30th and Gettleman should explore moving any and everyone not named Saquon Barkley out of here.
Suspend Beckham a week for conduct detrimental to the team.
Play this out and lock up another top pick.
Beckham should be the first guy up for trade.
We just gave Odell a huge contract....money well spent...lol
I agree, trade him.... and get someone in who might think about the team before their self....
He not the spotlight of this offense anymore and it's starting to show in his "play making ability". Eagles secondary were ripe for the picking and he didn't show up...
Collins runs around like a chicken with his head chopped off and has trouble covering (well we knew that).
Beckham may need a psychiatrist.....
I alternately feel bad for Eli and then wish he retired (what was he trying to do on the pass to Simonsen that was picked off?)
I thought Bettcher was a defensive guru???
Only reason to watch the Giants is Barkley. What would he do with a line that can block?
Boy did OV look good.
and thanks to all that recommended watching with the mute button on.
Did Dep get hacked?
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He got more out of the Browns. Let that sink in for a minute and fight the urge to chug some bleach
What on earth prompted Mara and Tisch to hire Shurmur? He was 9-23 as the Browns’ HC, and his teams scored points in bottom 1/2 and 1/4 of the league more often than not. His best success was 2 years under Chip Kelly. Did the owners think that another unsuccessful OC (and HC), who also calls plays from a diner menu during the game and also prefers to have the defense appear to be the culprit in losses, would somehow improve team?
They are.
The real question is how many years will it take to develop a playoff caliber team?
I once waited from 1964-1981.
Sure hope we're not in for that sort of repetition.
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He got more out of the Browns. Let that sink in for a minute and fight the urge to chug some bleach
What on earth prompted Mara and Tisch to hire Shurmur? He was 9-23 as the Browns’ HC, and his teams scored points in bottom 1/2 and 1/4 of the league more often than not. His best success was 2 years under Chip Kelly. Did the owners think that another unsuccessful OC (and HC), who also calls plays from a diner menu during the game and also prefers to have the defense appear to be the culprit in losses, would somehow improve team?
Maybe he said what Mara wanted to hear: that he thought they could still win with Eli?
They are.
The real question is how many years will it take to develop a playoff caliber team?
I once waited from 1964-1981.
Sure hope we're not in for that sort of repetition.
Need to find us a new QB soon. That’s going to be key in turning this thing around. Of course we need to continue to fix this abysmal Oline as well.
Collins runs around like a chicken with his head chopped off and has trouble covering (well we knew that).
Beckham may need a psychiatrist.....
I alternately feel bad for Eli and then wish he retired (what was he trying to do on the pass to Simonsen that was picked off?)
I thought Bettcher was a defensive guru???
Only reason to watch the Giants is Barkley. What would he do with a line that can block?
Boy did OV look good.
and thanks to all that recommended watching with the mute button on.
I give Jack Rabbit a pass. He's dealing with some real life stuff. It's probably hard for him to 100% focus on football
Then that’s really sad. If one bad plays has that effect on a team.... then we are going to suck for years. I think the defense just looks for excuses to hide their ineptness.
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which was essentially a pick 6, had an enormous negative effect on the morale of the team - especially the defense. They never really recovered from it. I think you can mark that point (at the very start of the game) as what was the beginning of the end.
Then that’s really sad. If one bad plays has that effect on a team.... then we are going to suck for years. I think the defense just looks for excuses to hide their ineptness.
The int was a big play. Fall behind 7-0 right out of the box. But agree plenty of time to regroup.
I do agree though that that the defense (and even some players on offense) are playing down to the level of the ineffectiveness they see in Eli. The defense was never really going to be a strong unit this year, particularly the LBs and Secondary so that margin of difference in their play is not wildly off.
saying again, 2017 and 2018 are a colossal waste of time other than picking up draft collateral...
I agree. Then the fumble deep in their own end was the exclamation point even though they recovered it.
The only positive I can see moving forward is this.
We are obviously going to have a top pick this year...and draft a QB.
Let's say we land Justin Herbert (Oregon) and he turns out to be just as good as Baker Mayfield, Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold....
Then you have your QB, all world RB and star WR for the next 10 years...
Yea?