I'm not sure I see a way out of this right now.
The team last year became infected with a loser mentality, and despite casting off a great deal of the roster, the core players still seem to have that same mentality. We can bitch and moan about the talent level all you want, but this team should not be this uncompetitive. It appears to me to be more than that... they looked disinterested tonight. Can Shurmur already be losing this team after just six games?
This is a very alarming situation. We are entering Cleveland Browns territory (at least the pre-2018 version of the Browns).
You don't know that for sure. It looked like Simonsen, making his first start, kept going instead of stopping. It would not surprise me to learn that he and manning were not on the same page.
He should not have thrown Simonsen the ball there under any circumstances. The LB was right on top of him. There was no pressure requiring an immediate pass there. Shepard was open on a curl route to his left. Eli completely shit the bed on that play. Let's not even discuss it anymore and move onto something else.
I think this is the closest thing to the truth.looks like the team is hoping for the best but as soon as adversity hits they have zero belief in the offense ie Eli to do enough on a consistent basis for them to realistically win the game.
Honestly at this point there is no reason for Lauletta not to be the second string prepping to show something in the next month.
if you wanted to draft a QB fine - but that wouldn't chnage a thing
Giants have the best running back in the league and they're 1-5. If you have the best QB in the league you're not 1-5. If you have a top 10 QB you're not 1-5.
Time to root for them to lose all their games so we can get a QB a year late and Barkley too.
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I'll give you that. But Barkley is not just a "shiny toy", he's a building block to a championship. If you feel the NYG should move on from Eli, I understand. But I'm not convinced that Darnold or any other QB in the 2018 draft would have helped this franchise more.
Giants have the best running back in the league and they're 1-5. If you have the best QB in the league you're not 1-5. If you have a top 10 QB you're not 1-5.
Time to root for them to lose all their games so we can get a QB a year late and Barkley too.
I agree having a top 10 QB will absolutely help but there are always exceptions to that rule. Just look no further than the Colts, Falcons, and Seahawks.
Might be?
Laughable dysfunctional offense..poorly constructed team..who put all their chips in on an aging declining, immobile, quarterback (if that's what he is even now being shell shocked by pos constructed offensive line year after year)
A fucking embarrassment..PERIOD!!
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The culture of losing is strong here. Our best player, thus far, is a losing player in this league. I really think every player except this year’s draft class needs to be purged to fully get the stink out of the locker room; “core” guys included.
Might be?
I was trying to be nice. This is the worst football team in all the land.
You can not overstate how PATHETIC this team is. Home Thursday night game that hey must win and they put on a shit show.
I'm afraid your diagnosis dovetails with Eric's thread starter, which includes the following ominous words:
"The team last year became infected with a loser mentality, and despite casting off a great deal of the roster, the core players still seem to have that same mentality."
"We can bitch and moan about the talent level all you want, but this team should not be this uncompetitive. It appears to me to be more than that... they looked disinterested tonight."
All I can say after last night's season-ending debacle is that we will be in a position to draft QB Justin Herbert out of Oregon. Maybe that will change the sad dynamic that both you and Eric have identified.
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but I think the team has quit on Eli. The offensive line sucks, but I'm sure they feel Eli makes them look worse than they are. Skill position guys probably feel the same way, and the defense knows it's hopeless, too. Everyone knows they should've moved on from him.
THIS. What I saw in the second half was the defense making "business decisions". Barkley is the best RB I have ever laid eyes on. But he was the wrong pick then, and he's the wrong pick now. All of you who wanted Barkley over a QB - many because you thought Eli had "years left" and bought that narrative from DSG - are now getting what you deserve.
Quick fixes never work. We have a team that can't break the Cover 2. The Eagles are not even a cover 2 team, yet they go out and play it, and we all of a sudden can't make plays, even against bad, injured secondaries. it's comical. Our amazing RB put up 229 total yards tonight. And we scored 13 points and got blown out.
This. Barkley is proof of the fact that an all world RB is in the end not that valuable in terms of wins and losses. Drafting him was a mistake. In terms of team progress we're right where we were last year at best.
Like the 70s the Maras are making personnel decisions.
It's clear that the ownership did not want to look at the handwriting on the wall. There isn't enough talent on this team to compete.
2018 should have been a rebuilding year. Instead they splurged on shiny toys like Barkley.
The splurge was on OBJ. By the time the Giants are better....he will be long gone by injury or trade.
I don’t know how many times this needs repeating. The majority of fans weren’t mad about benching Eli last year. They were mad at benching Eli for Geno freaking Smith. Who stinks. Period. Way way way worse than Eli on his worst day. Eli’s era is coming to an end but if Geno Smith is the answer, no thanks. That was the issue.
Not suggesting finding them is simple, but it's not "I see now way out" territory.
I'll leave you with a poem.....
all the fears and anxiety
...which are so
inherently symptomatic...
...of a losing team.
The mind is a strange thing, men.
We must begin by asking it...
..."What is losing?"
Losing is a disease...
...as contagious as polio.
Losing is a disease...
...as contagious as syphilis.
Losing is a disease...
...as contagious as bubonic plague...
... attacking one...
... but infecting all.
Ah, but curable.
Now, I want you to imagine...
...you are on a ship at sea...
...on a vast...
...calm ocean...
...gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking
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make decisions in response to fans throwing a temper tantrum. Color me not surprised in the least.
I don’t know how many times this needs repeating. The majority of fans weren’t mad about benching Eli last year. They were mad at benching Eli for Geno freaking Smith. Who stinks. Period. Way way way worse than Eli on his worst day. Eli’s era is coming to an end but if Geno Smith is the answer, no thanks. That was the issue.
They had Geno Smith and Davis Webb on the roster. It's not as if they could bench Eli for Aaron Rodgers, they had to play one of the guys they had. And they should have, except the Giants org is a bunch of chickenshits that caved when fans got upset.
What to do about the defense then? Lost in the offense suckitude.... is that theybsuck almost as bad.
ok.. and this shitty players we keep talking about are worth what exactly in a trade?
Even OBJ is not going to return what you think after he has pulled his pants down and exposed himself.
You cannot say this team has quit in games this year. The players and the scheme are just not a good combination.
What to do about the defense then? Lost in the offense suckitude.... is that theybsuck almost as bad.
I know you don’t want to hear it but the Eagles OL played like crap too yesterday and they steam rolled us. Why? Wentz can move and is simply much better than Eli at this point.
In sum, put Eli on the Eagles and I really don’t think he plays that much better. Give us Wentz and we become a dynamic offense.
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make decisions in response to fans throwing a temper tantrum. Color me not surprised in the least.
I don’t know how many times this needs repeating. The majority of fans weren’t mad about benching Eli last year. They were mad at benching Eli for Geno freaking Smith. Who stinks. Period. Way way way worse than Eli on his worst day. Eli’s era is coming to an end but if Geno Smith is the answer, no thanks. That was the issue.
They had Geno Smith and Davis Webb on the roster. It's not as if they could bench Eli for Aaron Rodgers, they had to play one of the guys they had. And they should have, except the Giants org is a bunch of chickenshits that caved when fans got upset.
Nope. Again one is a journey man QB who is god awful. One is young and could be the future. If you thought Geno would help this team then I don’t know what to say. If you want to put Webb in there to see what he has, fine. But Geno freaking Smith. Come on. We all know he stinks. That’s not the answer. And a coach who thinks Geno is better than Eli, even old Eli, should not be a head coach. And that’s exactly what happened.
the QB is washed up the star WR is a nut job and the season is over. Any questions?
+1. In the end, this is better than 6-10 or 7-9.
Jon, is Hebert the target if we end up with the first pick?
Which is particularly telling in that the better you know the giants the easier it is to throttle this offense, except for Barkley! What’s next? A redskin beat down?
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they're looking like prime candidates for the #1 overall pick and a shot at the best QB in the class.
Jon, is Hebert the target if we end up with the first pick?
Way too early.
I am onboard getting a QB high now, either the Oregon or West Virginia kid, whichever the coaches think is the best. I also do not believe the OL is as bad as it looks. Other teams lines aren't "top" either. The team has no confidence in Eli, and I'm sure the line feels they are doing better than it looks.
Unfortunately I think OBJ's comments, which I don't like by the way, might reflect the teams overall feelings.
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make decisions in response to fans throwing a temper tantrum. Color me not surprised in the least.
I don’t know how many times this needs repeating. The majority of fans weren’t mad about benching Eli last year. They were mad at benching Eli for Geno freaking Smith. Who stinks. Period. Way way way worse than Eli on his worst day. Eli’s era is coming to an end but if Geno Smith is the answer, no thanks. That was the issue.
They had Geno Smith and Davis Webb on the roster. It's not as if they could bench Eli for Aaron Rodgers, they had to play one of the guys they had. And they should have, except the Giants org is a bunch of chickenshits that caved when fans got upset.
Nope. Again one is a journey man QB who is god awful. One is young and could be the future. If you thought Geno would help this team then I don’t know what to say. If you want to put Webb in there to see what he has, fine. But Geno freaking Smith. Come on. We all know he stinks. That’s not the answer. And a coach who thinks Geno is better than Eli, even old Eli, should not be a head coach. And that’s exactly what happened.
The objective wasn't to see whether Geno Smith was the future. That much seems to continue to escape people. It was to see how the offense changed when it wasn't Eli in there. That would have given them some idea how much of it was Eli being done, and how much of it was attributable to personnel issues on offense.
And I would rather have seen Webb as well, but the overall point was you needed someone else in there for a couple of games to fairly evaluate Eli. That didn't happen, we retained him for an extra year, and we got this.
The Giants just slipped from appointment TV to DVR.
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they're looking like prime candidates for the #1 overall pick and a shot at the best QB in the class.
Jon, is Hebert the target if we end up with the first pick?
Bosa.
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At this point the only player that would be safe is Barkley. And I mean literally every player would be up for trade if the right offer came through. The only guy that looked like he cared was Barkley.
ok.. and this shitty players we keep talking about are worth what exactly in a trade?
Even OBJ is not going to return what you think after he has pulled his pants down and exposed himself.
Get what we can. We could definitely get someone to over pay for a few of our “stars”.
THIS. What I saw in the second half was the defense making "business decisions". Barkley is the best RB I have ever laid eyes on. But he was the wrong pick then, and he's the wrong pick now. All of you who wanted Barkley over a QB - many because you thought Eli had "years left" and bought that narrative from DSG - are now getting what you deserve.
Quick fixes never work. We have a team that can't break the Cover 2. The Eagles are not even a cover 2 team, yet they go out and play it, and we all of a sudden can't make plays, even against bad, injured secondaries. it's comical. Our amazing RB put up 229 total yards tonight. And we scored 13 points and got blown out.
Totally disagree. Barkley was the correct pick. No rookie QB could stem this pressure.
The Mara’s are Back in total control. So yeah. Expect more of this since their utter lack of football acumen led to that era and this one. Deja Vu all Over again
That's a defeatist mentality. Mayfield doesn't look overwhelmed. This OL is workable with a better QB. Or even one that simply isn't damaged goods and doesn't know better than to take chances. Assuming nobody else could have done better isn't a good path to take.