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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/12/2018 12:48 am
I'm not sure I see a way out of this right now.

The team last year became infected with a loser mentality, and despite casting off a great deal of the roster, the core players still seem to have that same mentality. We can bitch and moan about the talent level all you want, but this team should not be this uncompetitive. It appears to me to be more than that... they looked disinterested tonight. Can Shurmur already be losing this team after just six games?

This is a very alarming situation. We are entering Cleveland Browns territory (at least the pre-2018 version of the Browns).
You could see  
uconngiant : 10/12/2018 12:52 am : link
Some players just gave up and that is what bothers me most of all. It is going to be a long year
Yes how long did Cleveland go without a QB.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/12/2018 12:52 am : link
We are just at the beginning of our misery
Yes.. we are worse than the Bills and Browns..  
chuckydee9 : 10/12/2018 12:52 am : link
I can't believe this..
It's what happens when you  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/12/2018 12:54 am : link
make decisions in response to fans throwing a temper tantrum. Color me not surprised in the least.
Eric, you are dead on  
M.S. : 10/12/2018 12:55 am : link
And it is indeed very alarming.

Team was flat as all get out... very troubling sign.

with the eexception of Dallas  
bc4life : 10/12/2018 12:57 am : link
Giants have been in evry game. They lost last week by a 65 yard friggin FG.

The most important part of tonight was - their starength (D-Line) was pitted against our weakness O-Line.

That and Giants need another consistent pass rusher. JPP wasn't dominant - but you had to respect him as a pass rusher. No one has stepped up as of yet to replace him.

Keep in mind, with the exception fo Dallas - last year's 3-13 team has played a playoff schedule so far this year.
Exactly  
EJJ : 10/12/2018 12:57 am : link
What I saw. When The O started screwing up the D looked like they just gave up especially the secondary. That's why I ranted about trading players. There is a serous attitude issue that I never witnessed on a Giants D. We had many teams with average to bad Os but the D would always play hard but never quit. This team like last years is infected with a serous cancer.
I think they are losing the team for two reasons  
Vanzetti : 10/12/2018 12:57 am : link
1. Sticking with Eli way too long and letting the fans basically make a personnel decision

2. Fining and punishing guys if they get frustrated with Eli being granted a free pass

Lack of discipline generally arises from a lack of respect. I do t think the players respect ownership and the front office for the way they have handled things

Flowers, Hart, DRC, Odell, Apple, JenkinsóToo many guys acting up to say its just a few bad apples, and really Pugh and Richburg belong on the list as well
Lauletta  
Dodge : 10/12/2018 12:58 am : link
Can throw check downs and hand the ball off too. What's there to prepare for?
This is what a 1-5 team looks like  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 10/12/2018 12:58 am : link
Losing begets losing. You can talk about professionalism all you want, but the players are still human and losing affects them like it does anyone.

It's clear that the ownership did not want to look at the handwriting on the wall. There isn't enough talent on this team to compete.

2018 should have been a rebuilding year. Instead they splurged on shiny toys like Barkley.
This might be the worst team in football  
The_Boss : 10/12/2018 12:58 am : link
The culture of losing is strong here. Our best player, thus far, is a losing player in this league. I really think every player except this yearís draft class needs to be purged to fully get the stink out of the locker room; ďcoreĒ guys included.
The game plan  
mattyblue : 10/12/2018 12:59 am : link
seems non existent. Eli is checking down very quick which may or may not be on purpose. The defense is getting gassed and is letting receivers get wide open if the QB breaks the pocket. Itís not looking good for Shurmur right now.
I think the disinterest that we see  
Simpleman in Tx : 10/12/2018 12:59 am : link
Is coming from frustration of not having a functioning offense. The defense started off playing well but then folded when the offense continued to misfire. I believe that if the offense comes together and succeeds, new life will be injected into the team all around. However, i dont see that happening this year.
would give anything  
bc4life : 10/12/2018 12:59 am : link
to be a fly on the wall when OLIne watches game film
Let's also remember the Eagles did not look good at all  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/12/2018 12:59 am : link
in their first five games prior to tonight.
I don't think they were flat or disinterested.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2018 1:00 am : link
The early interception was a calamitous play and the resulting short field and TD presented a hole they never could recover from.

The defense isn't good, so we should never really be surprised when they fail. Problem is the offense and special teams put the defense in a major hole leading to the first 2 TDs.

I will admit they don't look any better coached than they did last year, even at positions with mostly new players like OL.
Especially troubling on the heels of management releasing Flowers  
baadbill : 10/12/2018 1:01 am : link
apparently because he just didnít give a shit. What do DG and Shurmur do now? If they do nothing, they risk losing the respect of those players who are making an honest effort.
not eenough talent to compete?  
bc4life : 10/12/2018 1:01 am : link
probalem with that theory is that they've competed in just about every game. Dallas and tonight, were the exception
Pains me to say it  
bceagle05 : 10/12/2018 1:02 am : link
but I think the team has quit on Eli. The offensive line sucks, but I'm sure they feel Eli makes them look worse than they are. Skill position guys probably feel the same way, and the defense knows it's hopeless, too. Everyone knows they should've moved on from him.
This team  
Jerry in DC : 10/12/2018 1:02 am : link
Was never going anywhere. Bad ol and bad qb gives you no chance. Might as well go 1-15. Things are breaking well for a top pick - that's the only thing that matters this season
RE: Let's also remember the Eagles did not look good at all  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2018 1:02 am : link
In comment 14122832 Dave in Hoboken said:
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in their first five games prior to tonight.


It's amazing what spotting a team 7 points thirty seconds into a game will do for their confidence.
Things are really bad right now  
terz22 : 10/12/2018 1:04 am : link
But the ship can get turned rather quickly in today's NFL. Remember the roster turnover from the last year was around 60% of new players and an entirely new offensive lone. That's crazy. Reese left the team with almost nothing.

It's just super depressing to see Eli a shell of his former self and years wasted when he should of been going to the playoffs. I figured it take a year or two to finally get back on track but no where did I think we'd suck this bad this year. So far judge still out on Gettleman but with another offseason under his belt think we can get back to being competitive.
terz22  
bc4life : 10/12/2018 1:06 am : link
In large part because they ignored Gilbraide's waring about teh OLine and/or drafted OLine very poorly. They were sending Snee out their on less than fumes in his tank
Someone said it here  
NewBlue : 10/12/2018 1:09 am : link
Tonight Manning crapped the bed even before pressure came, what a demoralizing impact that has on the OL and the rest of the team. We know the OL sucks, OK...but there are always opportunities, Manning was as bad as it gets tonight.
I'm afraid that until this franchise  
kelsto811 : 10/12/2018 1:10 am : link
Fully commits to a rebuild strategy, this is what we can expect to see
RE: This is what a 1-5 team looks like  
HomerJones45 : 10/12/2018 1:10 am : link
In comment 14122827 Gary from The East End said:
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Losing begets losing. You can talk about professionalism all you want, but the players are still human and losing affects them like it does anyone.

It's clear that the ownership did not want to look at the handwriting on the wall. There isn't enough talent on this team to compete.

2018 should have been a rebuilding year. Instead they splurged on shiny toys like Barkley.
There's nothing wrong with making a RB the center of your offense. That's what the Rams did with Gurley, Dallas did with Elliot and Jacksonville did with Fournette.

But if you are going in that direction, every other decision flows from the direction- you look for o-linemen who can run block, you pick up a FB, you design an offense with a passing game built around play action and go down the field, you get wideouts willing to block, you build a stout defense etc etc.

In may be that this is the direction where we are headed and that the roster needs to be further molded to head in that direction. Wouldn't surprise me if that is the case and many of the players on the current roster won't be here next season. Also don't know that Shurmur is the right guy to head in that direction although Minnesota was a good running team last season. We shall see.
RE: terz22  
terz22 : 10/12/2018 1:10 am : link
In comment 14122845 bc4life said:
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In large part because they ignored Gilbraide's waring about teh OLine and/or drafted OLine very poorly. They were sending Snee out their on less than fumes in his tank


Exactly the drafting of bad oline this last decade is staggering. Really did eli no favors.

They really need to take a hard look at the QBs this year. Think a mobile QB could really jumpstart the offense. Eli obviously cant extend plays at all. I can only imagine how a guy like mahommes would look on this team.
RE: Someone said it here  
HomerJones45 : 10/12/2018 1:11 am : link
In comment 14122847 NewBlue said:
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Tonight Manning crapped the bed even before pressure came, what a demoralizing impact that has on the OL and the rest of the team. We know the OL sucks, OK...but there are always opportunities, Manning was as bad as it gets tonight.
You don't know that for sure. It looked like Simonsen, making his first start, kept going instead of stopping. It would not surprise me to learn that he and manning were not on the same page.
Ownership is a big problem  
moespree : 10/12/2018 1:17 am : link
They have made mistake after mistake after mistake these last few years and inspire zero confidence that they can turn it around in the years to come.
RE: Pains me to say it  
Giants34 : 10/12/2018 1:21 am : link
In comment 14122836 bceagle05 said:
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but I think the team has quit on Eli. The offensive line sucks, but I'm sure they feel Eli makes them look worse than they are. Skill position guys probably feel the same way, and the defense knows it's hopeless, too. Everyone knows they should've moved on from him.


THIS. What I saw in the second half was the defense making "business decisions". Barkley is the best RB I have ever laid eyes on. But he was the wrong pick then, and he's the wrong pick now. All of you who wanted Barkley over a QB - many because you thought Eli had "years left" and bought that narrative from DSG - are now getting what you deserve.

Quick fixes never work. We have a team that can't break the Cover 2. The Eagles are not even a cover 2 team, yet they go out and play it, and we all of a sudden can't make plays, even against bad, injured secondaries. it's comical. Our amazing RB put up 229 total yards tonight. And we scored 13 points and got blown out.
RE: RE: Someone said it here  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2018 1:21 am : link
In comment 14122852 HomerJones45 said:
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You don't know that for sure. It looked like Simonsen, making his first start, kept going instead of stopping. It would not surprise me to learn that he and manning were not on the same page.


He should not have thrown Simonsen the ball there under any circumstances. The LB was right on top of him. There was no pressure requiring an immediate pass there. Shepard was open on a curl route to his left. Eli completely shit the bed on that play. Let's not even discuss it anymore and move onto something else.
RE: Pains me to say it  
King Quis : 10/12/2018 1:27 am : link
In comment 14122836 bceagle05 said:
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but I think the team has quit on Eli. The offensive line sucks, but I'm sure they feel Eli makes them look worse than they are. Skill position guys probably feel the same way, and the defense knows it's hopeless, too. Everyone knows they should've moved on from him.



I think this is the closest thing to the truth.looks like the team is hoping for the best but as soon as adversity hits they have zero belief in the offense ie Eli to do enough on a consistent basis for them to realistically win the game.

Honestly at this point there is no reason for Lauletta not to be the second string prepping to show something in the next month.
moved on and did what  
bc4life : 10/12/2018 1:30 am : link
start a rookie behind a rebuilding OLine - they'd have less chance than Eli and they'd be takinga chance on ruining a rookie QB.

if you wanted to draft a QB fine - but that wouldn't chnage a thing
It was bad tonight  
NBGblue : 10/12/2018 1:31 am : link
I'll give you that. But Barkley is not just a "shiny toy", he's a building block to a championship. If you feel the NYG should move on from Eli, I understand. But I'm not convinced that Darnold or any other QB in the 2018 draft would have helped this franchise more.
Yup  
Trainmaster : 10/12/2018 1:55 am : link
BBI after a 3-13 team  
montanagiant : 10/12/2018 2:05 am : link
That has had a massive overhaul from top to bottom 5 games into the season
RE: It was bad tonight  
Reese's Pieces : 10/12/2018 4:15 am : link
In comment 14122876 NBGblue said:
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I'll give you that. But Barkley is not just a "shiny toy", he's a building block to a championship. If you feel the NYG should move on from Eli, I understand. But I'm not convinced that Darnold or any other QB in the 2018 draft would have helped this franchise more.


Giants have the best running back in the league and they're 1-5. If you have the best QB in the league you're not 1-5. If you have a top 10 QB you're not 1-5.

Time to root for them to lose all their games so we can get a QB a year late and Barkley too.
RE: RE: It was bad tonight  
terz22 : 10/12/2018 4:46 am : link
In comment 14122905 Reese's Pieces said:
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In comment 14122876 NBGblue said:


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I'll give you that. But Barkley is not just a "shiny toy", he's a building block to a championship. If you feel the NYG should move on from Eli, I understand. But I'm not convinced that Darnold or any other QB in the 2018 draft would have helped this franchise more.



Giants have the best running back in the league and they're 1-5. If you have the best QB in the league you're not 1-5. If you have a top 10 QB you're not 1-5.

Time to root for them to lose all their games so we can get a QB a year late and Barkley too.


I agree having a top 10 QB will absolutely help but there are always exceptions to that rule. Just look no further than the Colts, Falcons, and Seahawks.
This is still Eli's team and he seems to be losing it.  
wgenesis123 : 10/12/2018 5:09 am : link
This team goes where Eli goes and that was not very good despite an amazing game from Barkley last night. Its sad to watch Eli play at this level. As long as Eli is at the helm this team will be as dysfunctional as Eli's level of play. It is still a quarterback driven league and Eli has to drive this team at a higher level for the Giants to improve. I am ready to concede that its time for Eli to hang it up.
RE: This might be the worst team in football  
rocco8112 : 10/12/2018 5:12 am : link
In comment 14122828 The_Boss said:
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The culture of losing is strong here. Our best player, thus far, is a losing player in this league. I really think every player except this yearís draft class needs to be purged to fully get the stink out of the locker room; ďcoreĒ guys included.


Might be?
They are a clown show  
micky : 10/12/2018 5:56 am : link
And nationally you see the "star wr" bashing his body parts year to year on sideline equipment

Laughable dysfunctional offense..poorly constructed team..who put all their chips in on an aging declining, immobile, quarterback (if that's what he is even now being shell shocked by pos constructed offensive line year after year)


A fucking embarrassment..PERIOD!!
This organization is a joke  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/12/2018 6:18 am : link
right now.
RE: RE: This might be the worst team in football  
The_Boss : 10/12/2018 6:24 am : link
In comment 14122908 rocco8112 said:
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In comment 14122828 The_Boss said:


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The culture of losing is strong here. Our best player, thus far, is a losing player in this league. I really think every player except this yearís draft class needs to be purged to fully get the stink out of the locker room; ďcoreĒ guys included.



Might be?


I was trying to be nice. This is the worst football team in all the land.
As someone who lived with this team through  
Bubba : 10/12/2018 6:34 am : link
the 70's I can't help but see the similarities. Hopefully this current reign will not last as long. I don't have that much time left. Granted there was no social media in those days but we did have planes with banners. I'm sure the current Mara regime gets the message and will make the right moves soon.
Iím good with another tank  
aimrocky : 10/12/2018 6:38 am : link
We need a QB... If throwing away another season means we get a core of Barkley & Herbert than itís worth it. Ericís point is my #1 concern. We cannot become the Knicks and spend a decade tanking.
Let the Meltdown Begin  
ZogZerg : 10/12/2018 6:40 am : link
Time for BBI to discuss the 2019 draft for the next 6 months. Maybe they will be able to draft that QB after all. Who would have thunk they would suck this bad on O with both Barkly and OBJ.

You can not overstate how PATHETIC this team is. Home Thursday night game that hey must win and they put on a shit show.
RE: Pains me to say it  
M.S. : 10/12/2018 7:02 am : link
In comment 14122836 bceagle05 said:
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but I think the team has quit on Eli. The offensive line sucks, but I'm sure they feel Eli makes them look worse than they are. Skill position guys probably feel the same way, and the defense knows it's hopeless, too. Everyone knows they should've moved on from him.


I'm afraid your diagnosis dovetails with Eric's thread starter, which includes the following ominous words:

"The team last year became infected with a loser mentality, and despite casting off a great deal of the roster, the core players still seem to have that same mentality."

"We can bitch and moan about the talent level all you want, but this team should not be this uncompetitive. It appears to me to be more than that... they looked disinterested tonight."

All I can say after last night's season-ending debacle is that we will be in a position to draft QB Justin Herbert out of Oregon. Maybe that will change the sad dynamic that both you and Eric have identified.


RE: RE: Pains me to say it  
FStubbs : 10/12/2018 7:10 am : link
In comment 14122864 Giants34 said:
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In comment 14122836 bceagle05 said:


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but I think the team has quit on Eli. The offensive line sucks, but I'm sure they feel Eli makes them look worse than they are. Skill position guys probably feel the same way, and the defense knows it's hopeless, too. Everyone knows they should've moved on from him.



THIS. What I saw in the second half was the defense making "business decisions". Barkley is the best RB I have ever laid eyes on. But he was the wrong pick then, and he's the wrong pick now. All of you who wanted Barkley over a QB - many because you thought Eli had "years left" and bought that narrative from DSG - are now getting what you deserve.

Quick fixes never work. We have a team that can't break the Cover 2. The Eagles are not even a cover 2 team, yet they go out and play it, and we all of a sudden can't make plays, even against bad, injured secondaries. it's comical. Our amazing RB put up 229 total yards tonight. And we scored 13 points and got blown out.


This. Barkley is proof of the fact that an all world RB is in the end not that valuable in terms of wins and losses. Drafting him was a mistake. In terms of team progress we're right where we were last year at best.
RE: As someone who lived with this team through  
FStubbs : 10/12/2018 7:11 am : link
In comment 14122964 Bubba said:
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the 70's I can't help but see the similarities. Hopefully this current reign will not last as long. I don't have that much time left. Granted there was no social media in those days but we did have planes with banners. I'm sure the current Mara regime gets the message and will make the right moves soon.


Like the 70s the Maras are making personnel decisions.
RE: This is what a 1-5 team looks like  
AnnapolisMike : 10/12/2018 7:37 am : link
In comment 14122827 Gary from The East End said:
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Losing begets losing. You can talk about professionalism all you want, but the players are still human and losing affects them like it does anyone.

It's clear that the ownership did not want to look at the handwriting on the wall. There isn't enough talent on this team to compete.

2018 should have been a rebuilding year. Instead they splurged on shiny toys like Barkley.


The splurge was on OBJ. By the time the Giants are better....he will be long gone by injury or trade.
RE: It's what happens when you  
map7711 : 10/12/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 14122816 Dave in Hoboken said:
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make decisions in response to fans throwing a temper tantrum. Color me not surprised in the least.


I donít know how many times this needs repeating. The majority of fans werenít mad about benching Eli last year. They were mad at benching Eli for Geno freaking Smith. Who stinks. Period. Way way way worse than Eli on his worst day. Eliís era is coming to an end but if Geno Smith is the answer, no thanks. That was the issue.
I would fire sale the whole team for draft picks.  
bradshaw44 : 10/12/2018 7:42 am : link
At this point the only player that would be safe is Barkley. And I mean literally every player would be up for trade if the right offer came through. The only guy that looked like he cared was Barkley.
People are very dramatic on here  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2018 7:49 am : link
things can turn around quickly with a couple OL and a QB.

Not suggesting finding them is simple, but it's not "I see now way out" territory.

I'll leave you with a poem.....

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We review...
all the fears and anxiety
...which are so
inherently symptomatic...
...of a losing team.
The mind is a strange thing, men.
We must begin by asking it...
..."What is losing?"

Losing is a disease...
...as contagious as polio.
Losing is a disease...
...as contagious as syphilis.
Losing is a disease...
...as contagious as bubonic plague...
... attacking one...
... but infecting all.
Ah, but curable.

Now, I want you to imagine...
...you are on a ship at sea...
...on a vast...
...calm ocean...
...gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking
RE: RE: It's what happens when you  
jcn56 : 10/12/2018 7:50 am : link
In comment 14123057 map7711 said:
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In comment 14122816 Dave in Hoboken said:


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make decisions in response to fans throwing a temper tantrum. Color me not surprised in the least.



I donít know how many times this needs repeating. The majority of fans werenít mad about benching Eli last year. They were mad at benching Eli for Geno freaking Smith. Who stinks. Period. Way way way worse than Eli on his worst day. Eliís era is coming to an end but if Geno Smith is the answer, no thanks. That was the issue.


They had Geno Smith and Davis Webb on the roster. It's not as if they could bench Eli for Aaron Rodgers, they had to play one of the guys they had. And they should have, except the Giants org is a bunch of chickenshits that caved when fans got upset.
OL will be a fine with a couple new lineman???  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 7:51 am : link
Havenít we been saying that for nearly a decade?

What to do about the defense then? Lost in the offense suckitude.... is that theybsuck almost as bad.
RE: I would fire sale the whole team for draft picks.  
EricJ : 10/12/2018 7:52 am : link
In comment 14123073 bradshaw44 said:
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At this point the only player that would be safe is Barkley. And I mean literally every player would be up for trade if the right offer came through. The only guy that looked like he cared was Barkley.


ok.. and this shitty players we keep talking about are worth what exactly in a trade?

Even OBJ is not going to return what you think after he has pulled his pants down and exposed himself.
Fragile  
Rjanyg : 10/12/2018 7:53 am : link
That is how I will describe this team. Mentally soft. The long FG vs. Carolina was a heart breaker and it seems based on the performance last night they fold easy.
RE: Fragile  
EricJ : 10/12/2018 8:00 am : link
In comment 14123115 Rjanyg said:
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That is how I will describe this team. Mentally soft. The long FG vs. Carolina was a heart breaker and it seems based on the performance last night they fold easy.


You cannot say this team has quit in games this year. The players and the scheme are just not a good combination.
RE: OL will be a fine with a couple new lineman???  
UConn4523 : 10/12/2018 8:03 am : link
In comment 14123097 dep026 said:
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Havenít we been saying that for nearly a decade?

What to do about the defense then? Lost in the offense suckitude.... is that theybsuck almost as bad.


I know you donít want to hear it but the Eagles OL played like crap too yesterday and they steam rolled us. Why? Wentz can move and is simply much better than Eli at this point.

In sum, put Eli on the Eagles and I really donít think he plays that much better. Give us Wentz and we become a dynamic offense.
And I supported 1 last try with Eli  
UConn4523 : 10/12/2018 8:05 am : link
but itís over. It wonít work, we tried, and we need to move on this off season. Love the guy, but he simply isnít good enough anymore.
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map7711 : 10/12/2018 8:13 am : link
In comment 14123096 jcn56 said:
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make decisions in response to fans throwing a temper tantrum. Color me not surprised in the least.



I donít know how many times this needs repeating. The majority of fans werenít mad about benching Eli last year. They were mad at benching Eli for Geno freaking Smith. Who stinks. Period. Way way way worse than Eli on his worst day. Eliís era is coming to an end but if Geno Smith is the answer, no thanks. That was the issue.



They had Geno Smith and Davis Webb on the roster. It's not as if they could bench Eli for Aaron Rodgers, they had to play one of the guys they had. And they should have, except the Giants org is a bunch of chickenshits that caved when fans got upset.


Nope. Again one is a journey man QB who is god awful. One is young and could be the future. If you thought Geno would help this team then I donít know what to say. If you want to put Webb in there to see what he has, fine. But Geno freaking Smith. Come on. We all know he stinks. Thatís not the answer. And a coach who thinks Geno is better than Eli, even old Eli, should not be a head coach. And thatís exactly what happened.
The team is a joke  
UESBLUE : 10/12/2018 8:19 am : link

the QB is washed up the star WR is a nut job and the season is over. Any questions?
The good news is  
JonC : 10/12/2018 8:49 am : link
they're looking like prime candidates for the #1 overall pick and a shot at the best QB in the class.
RE: The good news is  
Danny Kanell : 10/12/2018 9:15 am : link
In comment 14123314 JonC said:
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they're looking like prime candidates for the #1 overall pick and a shot at the best QB in the class.


+1. In the end, this is better than 6-10 or 7-9.
RE: The good news is  
Rjanyg : 10/12/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 14123314 JonC said:
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they're looking like prime candidates for the #1 overall pick and a shot at the best QB in the class.


Jon, is Hebert the target if we end up with the first pick?
RE: not eenough talent to compete?  
gmenatlarge : 10/12/2018 9:43 am : link
In comment 14122835 bc4life said:
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probalem with that theory is that they've competed in just about every game. Dallas and tonight, were the exception


Which is particularly telling in that the better you know the giants the easier it is to throttle this offense, except for Barkley! Whatís next? A redskin beat down?
RE: RE: The good news is  
JonC : 10/12/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14123527 Rjanyg said:
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they're looking like prime candidates for the #1 overall pick and a shot at the best QB in the class.



Jon, is Hebert the target if we end up with the first pick?


Way too early.
Look at the bright side  
Harvest Blend : 10/12/2018 9:45 am : link
the weather is beautiful for the weekend(hope everyone came through that Hurricane OK) and there's the added bonus of no Giants football for the next 2 Sunday's.
Having a rookie QB would not be changing a thing now  
PatersonPlank : 10/12/2018 9:46 am : link
He'd be on the bench anyway. If he did play he'd be going through a learning curve. I like the Barkley pick, they guy is going to be the top RB in the league for a while.

I am onboard getting a QB high now, either the Oregon or West Virginia kid, whichever the coaches think is the best. I also do not believe the OL is as bad as it looks. Other teams lines aren't "top" either. The team has no confidence in Eli, and I'm sure the line feels they are doing better than it looks.

Unfortunately I think OBJ's comments, which I don't like by the way, might reflect the teams overall feelings.
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jcn56 : 10/12/2018 9:47 am : link
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make decisions in response to fans throwing a temper tantrum. Color me not surprised in the least.



I donít know how many times this needs repeating. The majority of fans werenít mad about benching Eli last year. They were mad at benching Eli for Geno freaking Smith. Who stinks. Period. Way way way worse than Eli on his worst day. Eliís era is coming to an end but if Geno Smith is the answer, no thanks. That was the issue.



They had Geno Smith and Davis Webb on the roster. It's not as if they could bench Eli for Aaron Rodgers, they had to play one of the guys they had. And they should have, except the Giants org is a bunch of chickenshits that caved when fans got upset.



Nope. Again one is a journey man QB who is god awful. One is young and could be the future. If you thought Geno would help this team then I donít know what to say. If you want to put Webb in there to see what he has, fine. But Geno freaking Smith. Come on. We all know he stinks. Thatís not the answer. And a coach who thinks Geno is better than Eli, even old Eli, should not be a head coach. And thatís exactly what happened.


The objective wasn't to see whether Geno Smith was the future. That much seems to continue to escape people. It was to see how the offense changed when it wasn't Eli in there. That would have given them some idea how much of it was Eli being done, and how much of it was attributable to personnel issues on offense.

And I would rather have seen Webb as well, but the overall point was you needed someone else in there for a couple of games to fairly evaluate Eli. That didn't happen, we retained him for an extra year, and we got this.
RE: Look at the bright side  
AnnapolisMike : 10/12/2018 9:49 am : link
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the weather is beautiful for the weekend(hope everyone came through that Hurricane OK) and there's the added bonus of no Giants football for the next 2 Sunday's.


The Giants just slipped from appointment TV to DVR.
RE: RE: The good news is  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/12/2018 9:49 am : link
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they're looking like prime candidates for the #1 overall pick and a shot at the best QB in the class.



Jon, is Hebert the target if we end up with the first pick?


Bosa.
RE: RE: I would fire sale the whole team for draft picks.  
bradshaw44 : 10/12/2018 11:17 am : link
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At this point the only player that would be safe is Barkley. And I mean literally every player would be up for trade if the right offer came through. The only guy that looked like he cared was Barkley.



ok.. and this shitty players we keep talking about are worth what exactly in a trade?

Even OBJ is not going to return what you think after he has pulled his pants down and exposed himself.


Get what we can. We could definitely get someone to over pay for a few of our ďstarsĒ.
How many quarterbacks  
blink667 : 10/12/2018 6:07 pm : link
... could actually flourish behind this O line? Eli got killed last night and his receivers were no help. Last week he played well enough to be in the lead near the end of the game.
RE: RE: Pains me to say it  
section125 : 10/12/2018 6:13 pm : link
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THIS. What I saw in the second half was the defense making "business decisions". Barkley is the best RB I have ever laid eyes on. But he was the wrong pick then, and he's the wrong pick now. All of you who wanted Barkley over a QB - many because you thought Eli had "years left" and bought that narrative from DSG - are now getting what you deserve.

Quick fixes never work. We have a team that can't break the Cover 2. The Eagles are not even a cover 2 team, yet they go out and play it, and we all of a sudden can't make plays, even against bad, injured secondaries. it's comical. Our amazing RB put up 229 total yards tonight. And we scored 13 points and got blown out.


Totally disagree. Barkley was the correct pick. No rookie QB could stem this pressure.
RE: As someone who lived with this team through  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/12/2018 6:14 pm : link
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the 70's I can't help but see the similarities. Hopefully this current reign will not last as long. I don't have that much time left. Granted there was no social media in those days but we did have planes with banners. I'm sure the current Mara regime gets the message and will make the right moves soon.


The Maraís are Back in total control. So yeah. Expect more of this since their utter lack of football acumen led to that era and this one. Deja Vu all Over again
omg  
giantfan2000 : 10/12/2018 6:20 pm : link
we still have 10 games to go!
RE: RE: RE: Pains me to say it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/12/2018 8:31 pm : link
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No rookie QB could stem this pressure.


That's a defeatist mentality. Mayfield doesn't look overwhelmed. This OL is workable with a better QB. Or even one that simply isn't damaged goods and doesn't know better than to take chances. Assuming nobody else could have done better isn't a good path to take.
Speculation  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2018 9:10 pm : link
Suppose the film were to be showing Eli in a poor light and Shurmur is not holding Eli accountable. That is about the only thing I can think that would cause Shurmur to begin to lose the team this fast. I am not saying the is what is going on Eric, but it could explain it.
QB change spark  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2018 9:13 pm : link
If the young QB were mobile and were to bail out the OL a time or two by making "off schedule" plays, it might inspire people and give them a spark? This is not a crazy idea as I have seen it happen.
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