I'm not sure I see a way out of this right now.
The team last year became infected with a loser mentality, and despite casting off a great deal of the roster, the core players still seem to have that same mentality. We can bitch and moan about the talent level all you want, but this team should not be this uncompetitive. It appears to me to be more than that... they looked disinterested tonight. Can Shurmur already be losing this team after just six games?
This is a very alarming situation. We are entering Cleveland Browns territory (at least the pre-2018 version of the Browns).
Team was flat as all get out... very troubling sign.
The most important part of tonight was - their starength (D-Line) was pitted against our weakness O-Line.
That and Giants need another consistent pass rusher. JPP wasn't dominant - but you had to respect him as a pass rusher. No one has stepped up as of yet to replace him.
Keep in mind, with the exception fo Dallas - last year's 3-13 team has played a playoff schedule so far this year.
2. Fining and punishing guys if they get frustrated with Eli being granted a free pass
Lack of discipline generally arises from a lack of respect. I do t think the players respect ownership and the front office for the way they have handled things
Flowers, Hart, DRC, Odell, Apple, Jenkins—Too many guys acting up to say its just a few bad apples, and really Pugh and Richburg belong on the list as well
It's clear that the ownership did not want to look at the handwriting on the wall. There isn't enough talent on this team to compete.
2018 should have been a rebuilding year. Instead they splurged on shiny toys like Barkley.
The defense isn't good, so we should never really be surprised when they fail. Problem is the offense and special teams put the defense in a major hole leading to the first 2 TDs.
I will admit they don't look any better coached than they did last year, even at positions with mostly new players like OL.
It's amazing what spotting a team 7 points thirty seconds into a game will do for their confidence.
It's just super depressing to see Eli a shell of his former self and years wasted when he should of been going to the playoffs. I figured it take a year or two to finally get back on track but no where did I think we'd suck this bad this year. So far judge still out on Gettleman but with another offseason under his belt think we can get back to being competitive.
It's clear that the ownership did not want to look at the handwriting on the wall. There isn't enough talent on this team to compete.
2018 should have been a rebuilding year. Instead they splurged on shiny toys like Barkley.
But if you are going in that direction, every other decision flows from the direction- you look for o-linemen who can run block, you pick up a FB, you design an offense with a passing game built around play action and go down the field, you get wideouts willing to block, you build a stout defense etc etc.
In may be that this is the direction where we are headed and that the roster needs to be further molded to head in that direction. Wouldn't surprise me if that is the case and many of the players on the current roster won't be here next season. Also don't know that Shurmur is the right guy to head in that direction although Minnesota was a good running team last season. We shall see.
Exactly the drafting of bad oline this last decade is staggering. Really did eli no favors.
They really need to take a hard look at the QBs this year. Think a mobile QB could really jumpstart the offense. Eli obviously cant extend plays at all. I can only imagine how a guy like mahommes would look on this team.
THIS. What I saw in the second half was the defense making "business decisions". Barkley is the best RB I have ever laid eyes on. But he was the wrong pick then, and he's the wrong pick now. All of you who wanted Barkley over a QB - many because you thought Eli had "years left" and bought that narrative from DSG - are now getting what you deserve.
Quick fixes never work. We have a team that can't break the Cover 2. The Eagles are not even a cover 2 team, yet they go out and play it, and we all of a sudden can't make plays, even against bad, injured secondaries. it's comical. Our amazing RB put up 229 total yards tonight. And we scored 13 points and got blown out.
You don't know that for sure. It looked like Simonsen, making his first start, kept going instead of stopping. It would not surprise me to learn that he and manning were not on the same page.
He should not have thrown Simonsen the ball there under any circumstances. The LB was right on top of him. There was no pressure requiring an immediate pass there. Shepard was open on a curl route to his left. Eli completely shit the bed on that play. Let's not even discuss it anymore and move onto something else.
I think this is the closest thing to the truth.looks like the team is hoping for the best but as soon as adversity hits they have zero belief in the offense ie Eli to do enough on a consistent basis for them to realistically win the game.
Honestly at this point there is no reason for Lauletta not to be the second string prepping to show something in the next month.
if you wanted to draft a QB fine - but that wouldn't chnage a thing
Giants have the best running back in the league and they're 1-5. If you have the best QB in the league you're not 1-5. If you have a top 10 QB you're not 1-5.
Time to root for them to lose all their games so we can get a QB a year late and Barkley too.
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I'll give you that. But Barkley is not just a "shiny toy", he's a building block to a championship. If you feel the NYG should move on from Eli, I understand. But I'm not convinced that Darnold or any other QB in the 2018 draft would have helped this franchise more.
Giants have the best running back in the league and they're 1-5. If you have the best QB in the league you're not 1-5. If you have a top 10 QB you're not 1-5.
Time to root for them to lose all their games so we can get a QB a year late and Barkley too.
I agree having a top 10 QB will absolutely help but there are always exceptions to that rule. Just look no further than the Colts, Falcons, and Seahawks.
Might be?
Laughable dysfunctional offense..poorly constructed team..who put all their chips in on an aging declining, immobile, quarterback (if that's what he is even now being shell shocked by pos constructed offensive line year after year)
A fucking embarrassment..PERIOD!!
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The culture of losing is strong here. Our best player, thus far, is a losing player in this league. I really think every player except this year’s draft class needs to be purged to fully get the stink out of the locker room; “core” guys included.
Might be?
I was trying to be nice. This is the worst football team in all the land.
You can not overstate how PATHETIC this team is. Home Thursday night game that hey must win and they put on a shit show.
I'm afraid your diagnosis dovetails with Eric's thread starter, which includes the following ominous words:
"The team last year became infected with a loser mentality, and despite casting off a great deal of the roster, the core players still seem to have that same mentality."
"We can bitch and moan about the talent level all you want, but this team should not be this uncompetitive. It appears to me to be more than that... they looked disinterested tonight."
All I can say after last night's season-ending debacle is that we will be in a position to draft QB Justin Herbert out of Oregon. Maybe that will change the sad dynamic that both you and Eric have identified.
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but I think the team has quit on Eli. The offensive line sucks, but I'm sure they feel Eli makes them look worse than they are. Skill position guys probably feel the same way, and the defense knows it's hopeless, too. Everyone knows they should've moved on from him.
THIS. What I saw in the second half was the defense making "business decisions". Barkley is the best RB I have ever laid eyes on. But he was the wrong pick then, and he's the wrong pick now. All of you who wanted Barkley over a QB - many because you thought Eli had "years left" and bought that narrative from DSG - are now getting what you deserve.
Quick fixes never work. We have a team that can't break the Cover 2. The Eagles are not even a cover 2 team, yet they go out and play it, and we all of a sudden can't make plays, even against bad, injured secondaries. it's comical. Our amazing RB put up 229 total yards tonight. And we scored 13 points and got blown out.
This. Barkley is proof of the fact that an all world RB is in the end not that valuable in terms of wins and losses. Drafting him was a mistake. In terms of team progress we're right where we were last year at best.
Like the 70s the Maras are making personnel decisions.
It's clear that the ownership did not want to look at the handwriting on the wall. There isn't enough talent on this team to compete.
2018 should have been a rebuilding year. Instead they splurged on shiny toys like Barkley.
The splurge was on OBJ. By the time the Giants are better....he will be long gone by injury or trade.