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Brown Recluse : 10/12/2018 6:53 am
I cant remember the exact moment in the game when I thought I saw this but I know it came after Eli threw his second straight pass to Gallman.

Maybe I read his lips wrong but it sure seemed like he was pissed Eli tossed it to Gallman again instead of looking elsewhere.

Hes not going to throw anyone under the bus publically, but I wonder where his frustration level is with Eli’s performance so far this season and how that will play into a possible benching at some point, assuming ownership will even allow him to do it.
He took this job knowing Eli was their guy  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/12/2018 6:56 am : link
So he doesn’t have much wiggle room.
There is no  
rocco8112 : 10/12/2018 6:58 am : link
doubt Eli will sit this year. The game before the bye will be his last and Lauletta will get the nod coming out of the bye against San Fran I think it is.

The Manning era died last night.
I saw it  
Chris684 : 10/12/2018 6:58 am : link
There’s no doubt Shurmur saw something Eli didn’t there.
Shurmur can be pissed all he wants  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 7:01 am : link
but a lot of the plays people are complaining were designed plays to get the ball out. Especially after the 1st and 20 incident.

You dont want him to check it down, then stop calling those routes/plays.
I don’t think it’s unfair  
Stufftherun : 10/12/2018 7:02 am : link
to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.
yeah he was  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/12/2018 7:05 am : link
pissed
RE: There is no  
M.S. : 10/12/2018 7:06 am : link
In comment 14122995 rocco8112 said:
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doubt Eli will sit this year. The game before the bye will be his last and Lauletta will get the nod coming out of the bye against San Fran I think it is.

The Manning era died last night.


It certainly ended last night. He may still start all the games this season, but in essence his career is over with the Giants.
The stark difference  
section125 : 10/12/2018 7:10 am : link
between Eli and Wentz was Wentz made plays under duress(got lucky on two tipped balls) and Eli did not. There was pressure on Wentz a lot in the 1st half (thanks to OV and Martin) and he was still making plays.
Of course in the 2nd half there was little pressure on Wentz and Eli was swamped.
Definitely over  
commonthe0ry : 10/12/2018 7:10 am : link
Excuses for Eli are over,it is time. Hopefully retires and we see what we have in Lauletta and/or pick up a QB or pash rusher high n the draft
RE: The stark difference  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 7:14 am : link
In comment 14123006 section125 said:
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between Eli and Wentz was Wentz made plays under duress(got lucky on two tipped balls) and Eli did not. There was pressure on Wentz a lot in the 1st half (thanks to OV and Martin) and he was still making plays.
Of course in the 2nd half there was little pressure on Wentz and Eli was swamped.


The play that sums up our season is wentz arm gets hit, the ball goes 30 feet in the air and 30 yards downfield, and we dont have a soul near the ball, yet alone to the receiver. Eli's ball gets deflected (poor throw anyways) and it falls in the defenders lap.
I saw that  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 10/12/2018 7:19 am : link
The weird thing was that it looked like he was pissed after we ran the back to back WR screens after we got to 1st and 20. I'd have to go back and watch, but I don't recall Eli audibling into either one of those plays and WR screens are designed as single option plays so it's not like he had the choice to throw to anyone else. I thought it was really odd that he seemed so fired up when one would assume there is only one way to run those plays.
I think Schurm said that when,  
Doomster : 10/12/2018 7:19 am : link
it was first and 20.....and Eli completed three straight dink passes, that didn't result in a first down....

And then the next series, he was dinking again and the boos started.....

Were the boos for Eli? The playcalling? The effort?

RE: RE: The stark difference  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 10/12/2018 7:22 am : link
In comment 14123013 dep026 said:
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between Eli and Wentz was Wentz made plays under duress(got lucky on two tipped balls) and Eli did not. There was pressure on Wentz a lot in the 1st half (thanks to OV and Martin) and he was still making plays.
Of course in the 2nd half there was little pressure on Wentz and Eli was swamped.



The play that sums up our season is wentz arm gets hit, the ball goes 30 feet in the air and 30 yards downfield, and we dont have a soul near the ball, yet alone to the receiver. Eli's ball gets deflected (poor throw anyways) and it falls in the defenders lap.


I was about to say the same thing. Eli Manning throws a poor pass, but one that is at worst just a pass breakup 99% of the time, but of course there is an Eagles defender in perfect position to get the deflection. We have a play defensively that is an interception against us 100% of the time, but Landon Collins falls down and somehow Agholor magically appears out of nowhere to turn that into a 20-30 yard gain. Take those two plays and repeat for 60 minutes. That was last night's game.
RE: I don’t think it’s unfair  
chuckydee9 : 10/12/2018 7:23 am : link
In comment 14123000 Stufftherun said:
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to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.


I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..
This was a game when I alternately  
section125 : 10/12/2018 7:25 am : link
despised Eli and the line. Both we equally bad.

And Nate Solder is actually no better than Flowers and Omameh is actually worse than Jerry.

And why does Shula pull Barkley every time he breaks off a big run to get them to the red zone? Winded, BFD, call a play away from him but keep him on the field. But keep him on the field.
RE: RE: I don’t think it’s unfair  
Stufftherun : 10/12/2018 7:34 am : link
In comment 14123026 chuckydee9 said:
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to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.



I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..


You can disagree all you want but as I alluded to, this team has deeper issues than just the QB position. And honestly, if there is a change at the
QB position this season, do you really think Lauletta makes them an instant contender?
RE: RE: I don’t think it’s unfair  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 10/12/2018 7:35 am : link
In comment 14123026 chuckydee9 said:
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to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.



I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..


Why is so much made of this play? Solder barely manages to get in the way and Eli is blindsided by an essentially free rusher. He should hold onto the ball, but we recovered the fumble anyway at the point where he dropped it.
Yup Said this in the game thread  
Rflairr : 10/12/2018 7:36 am : link
They had protection and Eli dumps the ball to the RB before the WRs could run the ball. He’s a scared QB now. Doesn’t trust his arm or eyes.

Shurmur was pissed that play
It's all over  
SHO'NUFF : 10/12/2018 7:41 am : link
Twitter
Why do we go from  
joeinpa : 10/12/2018 7:51 am : link
It a probably good to see to Lauletta this season, to "So you really feel Lauletta will make Giants a contender "

Who the hell thinks that. Lauletta should play because he might be the better option than Eli at this point n
Being at the game the  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/12/2018 7:57 am : link
Damn Eagles fans were sarcastically rooting for Eli. It was brutal.
RE: Why do we go from  
nygiants16 : 10/12/2018 7:59 am : link
In comment 14123101 joeinpa said:
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It a probably good to see to Lauletta this season, to "So you really feel Lauletta will make Giants a contender "

Who the hell thinks that. Lauletta should play because he might be the better option than Eli at this point n


this, if lauletta sucks than he sucks how is it any diffrrent than what is happening right now
RE: Why do we go from  
Blue21 : 10/12/2018 8:00 am : link
In comment 14123101 joeinpa said:
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It a probably good to see to Lauletta this season, to "So you really feel Lauletta will make Giants a contender "

Who the hell thinks that. Lauletta should play because he might be the better option than Eli at this point n


This. And might get some experience. Good or bad. Look what's happening now.This team is getting worse. New coaches new OL . Same QB
Lauletta  
Doomster : 10/12/2018 8:04 am : link
should get into games like last night, where we are just not in the game....get his feet wet, not necessarily start him...

You have to know what the guy has, to make a decision on the future of this team.....

Otherwise, he shouldn't have been drafted in the first place....
Lauletta....  
EricJ : 10/12/2018 8:08 am : link
should start the rest of the season once we are basically eliminated. We need to see the kid in real game action before the draft. We ARE drafting a QB if Lauletta does not show that he can be a starter.

Before anyone says "behind our line how can you tell?", just look at Cleveland. We were all watching that game and it looked like the line was horrible and Tyrod was running for his life getting sacked. Mayfield comes in and it is like someone flipped a light switch. Suddenly a guy is making plays and they come back and win.

So, you just need to get him in there ONCE the season is essentially over.
RE: Lauletta  
SHO'NUFF : 10/12/2018 8:11 am : link
In comment 14123144 Doomster said:
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should get into games like last night, where we are just not in the game....get his feet wet, not necessarily start him...

You have to know what the guy has, to make a decision on the future of this team.....

Otherwise, he shouldn't have been drafted in the first place....


Lauletta can't come in if he isn't activated... hell, he can't even play unless he gets moved up the depth chart ahead of Tanney.
Well  
mdthedream : 10/12/2018 8:19 am : link
move him up. There are 4 rookie QBs playing so lets get it done already. Eli is surviving don't tell me Kyle can't. He moves a hell of a lot better than Eli.
RE: RE: Why do we go from  
chuckydee9 : 10/12/2018 8:25 am : link
In comment 14123134 nygiants16 said:
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It a probably good to see to Lauletta this season, to "So you really feel Lauletta will make Giants a contender "

Who the hell thinks that. Lauletta should play because he might be the better option than Eli at this point n



this, if lauletta sucks than he sucks how is it any diffrrent than what is happening right now


Yep.. you can't hide behind a bad Eli Manning any more.. Who cares is Lauletta sucks.. its not like Eli is inspiring wins right now.. who cares if Lauletta is scared shit behind this OL.. at least we will know that he is weak sauce and then we can draft someone else.. At this point, we need to get Lauletta in there and see if we need to draft a QB come May...
Yep  
mdthedream : 10/12/2018 8:27 am : link
Just like Webb him sitting didn't do a thing for us.
Lauletta  
Shecky : 10/12/2018 8:30 am : link
Interesting that new GM. New coach. Yet we are in the EXACT same position as last year. Clearly a lost season now. Eli isn’t playing well. We have a rookie QB (Webb, now Lauletta). Looking back at last year and EVERYONE thinks it was a mistake that Webb never saw the field, to be evaluated.

Yet again, different GM and different coach - and we still have our rookie QB not activated. Thus not eligible to play, even in garbage time of blowout... what’s the common denominator?
RE: RE: RE: I don’t think it’s unfair  
chuckydee9 : 10/12/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 14123048 Cap'n Bluebeard said:
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to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.



I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..



Why is so much made of this play? Solder barely manages to get in the way and Eli is blindsided by an essentially free rusher. He should hold onto the ball, but we recovered the fumble anyway at the point where he dropped it.


Because Eli does nothing to help his OL.. Solder was the only OL to give up pressure on that play.. and there is no reason that should've been a sack.. you simply move up and there is a lot of space to look for WR or throw the ball away.. instead we are stuck at the 1/2 yard line.. OL is bad.. but Eli makes them look horrible.. Solder is an average LT, playing like an average LT.. Eli makes him looks like one of the worst LT in the league.. Watching games around the league most qb's get pressured quite often..
RE: There is no  
V.I.G. : 10/12/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 14122995 rocco8112 said:
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doubt Eli will sit this year. The game before the bye will be his last and Lauletta will get the nod coming out of the bye against San Fran I think it is.

The Manning era died last night.

i have plenty of doubt
We  
mdthedream : 10/12/2018 8:56 am : link
need to find out if Kyle is the guy.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don’t think it’s unfair  
SHO'NUFF : 10/12/2018 9:17 am : link
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to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.



I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..



Why is so much made of this play? Solder barely manages to get in the way and Eli is blindsided by an essentially free rusher. He should hold onto the ball, but we recovered the fumble anyway at the point where he dropped it.



Because Eli does nothing to help his OL.. Solder was the only OL to give up pressure on that play.. and there is no reason that should've been a sack.. you simply move up and there is a lot of space to look for WR or throw the ball away.. instead we are stuck at the 1/2 yard line.. OL is bad.. but Eli makes them look horrible.. Solder is an average LT, playing like an average LT.. Eli makes him looks like one of the worst LT in the league.. Watching games around the league most qb's get pressured quite often..


wtf? Eli is supposed to see and sidestep an untouched rusher from his blindside? maybe his Spidey-sense is malfunctioning?
yeah  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 10/12/2018 9:32 am : link
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Because Eli does nothing to help his OL.. Solder was the only OL to give up pressure on that play.. and there is no reason that should've been a sack.. you simply move up and there is a lot of space to look for WR or throw the ball away.. instead we are stuck at the 1/2 yard line.. OL is bad.. but Eli makes them look horrible.. Solder is an average LT, playing like an average LT.. Eli makes him looks like one of the worst LT in the league.. Watching games around the league most qb's get pressured quite often.


Eli was awful last night, but QBs get sacked and fumble all the time when there is an essentially free rusher from the blindside. Eli was hit on that play as he reaches the end of his drop. There are plenty of plays to criticize Eli for in yesterday's "performance", but that's not one of them.
RE: Shurmur can be pissed all he wants  
Section331 : 10/12/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 14122998 dep026 said:
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but a lot of the plays people are complaining were designed plays to get the ball out. Especially after the 1st and 20 incident.

You dont want him to check it down, then stop calling those routes/plays.


Come on dep, almost every passing play has a checkdown. Don't let your Eli fandom blind you. This has been a problem for at least a year, Eli is not getting through his progressions before going to his checkdown. He is Sam Bradford at this point.
RE: I think Schurm said that when,  
Section331 : 10/12/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 14123020 Doomster said:
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it was first and 20.....and Eli completed three straight dink passes, that didn't result in a first down....

And then the next series, he was dinking again and the boos started.....

Were the boos for Eli? The playcalling? The effort?


The 2nd series a couple of those plays were designed screens, so that is on Shurmur. But one of the big problems with this team has been 1st down penalties. You can't sustain drives when you're 1st & 20 all the time.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I don’t think it’s unfair  
CromartiesKid21 : 10/12/2018 10:09 am : link
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to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.



I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..



Why is so much made of this play? Solder barely manages to get in the way and Eli is blindsided by an essentially free rusher. He should hold onto the ball, but we recovered the fumble anyway at the point where he dropped it.



Because Eli does nothing to help his OL.. Solder was the only OL to give up pressure on that play.. and there is no reason that should've been a sack.. you simply move up and there is a lot of space to look for WR or throw the ball away.. instead we are stuck at the 1/2 yard line.. OL is bad.. but Eli makes them look horrible.. Solder is an average LT, playing like an average LT.. Eli makes him looks like one of the worst LT in the league.. Watching games around the league most qb's get pressured quite often..



wtf? Eli is supposed to see and sidestep an untouched rusher from his blindside? maybe his Spidey-sense is malfunctioning?


his pocket presence is malfunctioning
RE: RE: Shurmur can be pissed all he wants  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 14123612 Section331 said:
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but a lot of the plays people are complaining were designed plays to get the ball out. Especially after the 1st and 20 incident.

You dont want him to check it down, then stop calling those routes/plays.



Come on dep, almost every passing play has a checkdown. Don't let your Eli fandom blind you. This has been a problem for at least a year, Eli is not getting through his progressions before going to his checkdown. He is Sam Bradford at this point.


It isnt fandom. I dont want Eli to check it down. But there are too many patterns (which includes OBJ and SS too) where we are running routes, turning our back on the defender, short of the marker. My point is simple, if you dont want your QB to check it down, then stop calling for routes that give him that option.
RE: The stark difference  
NikkiMac : 10/12/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 14123006 section125 said:
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between Eli and Wentz was Wentz made plays under duress(got lucky on two tipped balls) and Eli did not. There was pressure on Wentz a lot in the 1st half (thanks to OV and Martin) and he was still making plays.
Of course in the 2nd half there was little pressure on Wentz and Eli was swamped.


Agree other QBs run for at least 2 or 3 first downs a game Eli very rarely if
at all.......
RE: RE: RE: Shurmur can be pissed all he wants  
Section331 : 10/12/2018 11:51 am : link
In comment 14123746 dep026 said:
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It isnt fandom. I dont want Eli to check it down. But there are too many patterns (which includes OBJ and SS too) where we are running routes, turning our back on the defender, short of the marker. My point is simple, if you dont want your QB to check it down, then stop calling for routes that give him that option.


Come on, nearly every pass play is going to have a checkdown. It is the QB's responsibility to use it only as a last resort, and not to go to it right away. This has been a problem for more than a year now, pre-Shurmur. It is Eli's issue, not Shurmur's.
The screen game is getting better  
NikkiMac : 10/12/2018 12:29 pm : link
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RE: The screen game is getting better  
Jim Bur(n)t : 10/12/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14124388 NikkiMac said:
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But can occasionally check it down (sarcasm off). ;)
The difference between this year and last  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/12/2018 12:32 pm : link
is that the fan base will be more accepting.

That said, Eli's successor likely isn't on the roster.
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