I cant remember the exact moment in the game when I thought I saw this but I know it came after Eli threw his second straight pass to Gallman.
Maybe I read his lips wrong but it sure seemed like he was pissed Eli tossed it to Gallman again instead of looking elsewhere.
Hes not going to throw anyone under the bus publically, but I wonder where his frustration level is with Eli’s performance so far this season and how that will play into a possible benching at some point, assuming ownership will even allow him to do it.
The Manning era died last night.
You dont want him to check it down, then stop calling those routes/plays.
The Manning era died last night.
It certainly ended last night. He may still start all the games this season, but in essence his career is over with the Giants.
Of course in the 2nd half there was little pressure on Wentz and Eli was swamped.
Of course in the 2nd half there was little pressure on Wentz and Eli was swamped.
The play that sums up our season is wentz arm gets hit, the ball goes 30 feet in the air and 30 yards downfield, and we dont have a soul near the ball, yet alone to the receiver. Eli's ball gets deflected (poor throw anyways) and it falls in the defenders lap.
And then the next series, he was dinking again and the boos started.....
Were the boos for Eli? The playcalling? The effort?
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between Eli and Wentz was Wentz made plays under duress(got lucky on two tipped balls) and Eli did not. There was pressure on Wentz a lot in the 1st half (thanks to OV and Martin) and he was still making plays.
Of course in the 2nd half there was little pressure on Wentz and Eli was swamped.
The play that sums up our season is wentz arm gets hit, the ball goes 30 feet in the air and 30 yards downfield, and we dont have a soul near the ball, yet alone to the receiver. Eli's ball gets deflected (poor throw anyways) and it falls in the defenders lap.
I was about to say the same thing. Eli Manning throws a poor pass, but one that is at worst just a pass breakup 99% of the time, but of course there is an Eagles defender in perfect position to get the deflection. We have a play defensively that is an interception against us 100% of the time, but Landon Collins falls down and somehow Agholor magically appears out of nowhere to turn that into a 20-30 yard gain. Take those two plays and repeat for 60 minutes. That was last night's game.
I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..
And Nate Solder is actually no better than Flowers and Omameh is actually worse than Jerry.
And why does Shula pull Barkley every time he breaks off a big run to get them to the red zone? Winded, BFD, call a play away from him but keep him on the field. But keep him on the field.
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to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.
I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..
You can disagree all you want but as I alluded to, this team has deeper issues than just the QB position. And honestly, if there is a change at the
QB position this season, do you really think Lauletta makes them an instant contender?
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to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.
I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..
Why is so much made of this play? Solder barely manages to get in the way and Eli is blindsided by an essentially free rusher. He should hold onto the ball, but we recovered the fumble anyway at the point where he dropped it.
Shurmur was pissed that play
Who the hell thinks that. Lauletta should play because he might be the better option than Eli at this point n
Who the hell thinks that. Lauletta should play because he might be the better option than Eli at this point n
this, if lauletta sucks than he sucks how is it any diffrrent than what is happening right now
Who the hell thinks that. Lauletta should play because he might be the better option than Eli at this point n
This. And might get some experience. Good or bad. Look what's happening now.This team is getting worse. New coaches new OL . Same QB
You have to know what the guy has, to make a decision on the future of this team.....
Otherwise, he shouldn't have been drafted in the first place....
Before anyone says "behind our line how can you tell?", just look at Cleveland. We were all watching that game and it looked like the line was horrible and Tyrod was running for his life getting sacked. Mayfield comes in and it is like someone flipped a light switch. Suddenly a guy is making plays and they come back and win.
So, you just need to get him in there ONCE the season is essentially over.
You have to know what the guy has, to make a decision on the future of this team.....
Otherwise, he shouldn't have been drafted in the first place....
Lauletta can't come in if he isn't activated... hell, he can't even play unless he gets moved up the depth chart ahead of Tanney.
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It a probably good to see to Lauletta this season, to "So you really feel Lauletta will make Giants a contender "
Who the hell thinks that. Lauletta should play because he might be the better option than Eli at this point n
this, if lauletta sucks than he sucks how is it any diffrrent than what is happening right now
Yep.. you can't hide behind a bad Eli Manning any more.. Who cares is Lauletta sucks.. its not like Eli is inspiring wins right now.. who cares if Lauletta is scared shit behind this OL.. at least we will know that he is weak sauce and then we can draft someone else.. At this point, we need to get Lauletta in there and see if we need to draft a QB come May...
Yet again, different GM and different coach - and we still have our rookie QB not activated. Thus not eligible to play, even in garbage time of blowout... what’s the common denominator?
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to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.
I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..
Why is so much made of this play? Solder barely manages to get in the way and Eli is blindsided by an essentially free rusher. He should hold onto the ball, but we recovered the fumble anyway at the point where he dropped it.
Because Eli does nothing to help his OL.. Solder was the only OL to give up pressure on that play.. and there is no reason that should've been a sack.. you simply move up and there is a lot of space to look for WR or throw the ball away.. instead we are stuck at the 1/2 yard line.. OL is bad.. but Eli makes them look horrible.. Solder is an average LT, playing like an average LT.. Eli makes him looks like one of the worst LT in the league.. Watching games around the league most qb's get pressured quite often..
The Manning era died last night.
i have plenty of doubt
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to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.
I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..
Why is so much made of this play? Solder barely manages to get in the way and Eli is blindsided by an essentially free rusher. He should hold onto the ball, but we recovered the fumble anyway at the point where he dropped it.
Because Eli does nothing to help his OL.. Solder was the only OL to give up pressure on that play.. and there is no reason that should've been a sack.. you simply move up and there is a lot of space to look for WR or throw the ball away.. instead we are stuck at the 1/2 yard line.. OL is bad.. but Eli makes them look horrible.. Solder is an average LT, playing like an average LT.. Eli makes him looks like one of the worst LT in the league.. Watching games around the league most qb's get pressured quite often..
wtf? Eli is supposed to see and sidestep an untouched rusher from his blindside? maybe his Spidey-sense is malfunctioning?
Eli was awful last night, but QBs get sacked and fumble all the time when there is an essentially free rusher from the blindside. Eli was hit on that play as he reaches the end of his drop. There are plenty of plays to criticize Eli for in yesterday's "performance", but that's not one of them.
You dont want him to check it down, then stop calling those routes/plays.
Come on dep, almost every passing play has a checkdown. Don't let your Eli fandom blind you. This has been a problem for at least a year, Eli is not getting through his progressions before going to his checkdown. He is Sam Bradford at this point.
And then the next series, he was dinking again and the boos started.....
Were the boos for Eli? The playcalling? The effort?
The 2nd series a couple of those plays were designed screens, so that is on Shurmur. But one of the big problems with this team has been 1st down penalties. You can't sustain drives when you're 1st & 20 all the time.
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to say Eli’s shell shocked but I don’t care who you put behind center with the state of this OL, it won’t make the impact they need to be truly competitive. Sure, you put a mobile QB back there and he might make a few more plays with his legs but they need a hell of a lot more than just a few plays a game to turn this disaster of a season around.
I am sorry but I don't think thats true.. that fumble play near the goalline.. 25+ other starting QB move up in the pocket or move around.. 31 other starting QB don't fumble there.. Eli fumbles too much.. if we had a few more plays in Carolina or Jags.. we are tied for the best record in NFC east..
Why is so much made of this play? Solder barely manages to get in the way and Eli is blindsided by an essentially free rusher. He should hold onto the ball, but we recovered the fumble anyway at the point where he dropped it.
Because Eli does nothing to help his OL.. Solder was the only OL to give up pressure on that play.. and there is no reason that should've been a sack.. you simply move up and there is a lot of space to look for WR or throw the ball away.. instead we are stuck at the 1/2 yard line.. OL is bad.. but Eli makes them look horrible.. Solder is an average LT, playing like an average LT.. Eli makes him looks like one of the worst LT in the league.. Watching games around the league most qb's get pressured quite often..
wtf? Eli is supposed to see and sidestep an untouched rusher from his blindside? maybe his Spidey-sense is malfunctioning?
his pocket presence is malfunctioning
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but a lot of the plays people are complaining were designed plays to get the ball out. Especially after the 1st and 20 incident.
You dont want him to check it down, then stop calling those routes/plays.
Come on dep, almost every passing play has a checkdown. Don't let your Eli fandom blind you. This has been a problem for at least a year, Eli is not getting through his progressions before going to his checkdown. He is Sam Bradford at this point.
It isnt fandom. I dont want Eli to check it down. But there are too many patterns (which includes OBJ and SS too) where we are running routes, turning our back on the defender, short of the marker. My point is simple, if you dont want your QB to check it down, then stop calling for routes that give him that option.
Of course in the 2nd half there was little pressure on Wentz and Eli was swamped.
Agree other QBs run for at least 2 or 3 first downs a game Eli very rarely if
at all.......
It isnt fandom. I dont want Eli to check it down. But there are too many patterns (which includes OBJ and SS too) where we are running routes, turning our back on the defender, short of the marker. My point is simple, if you dont want your QB to check it down, then stop calling for routes that give him that option.
Come on, nearly every pass play is going to have a checkdown. It is the QB's responsibility to use it only as a last resort, and not to go to it right away. This has been a problem for more than a year now, pre-Shurmur. It is Eli's issue, not Shurmur's.
But can occasionally check it down (sarcasm off). ;)
That said, Eli's successor likely isn't on the roster.