What are you guys thoughts on drafting Barkley second? He looks like a generational talent/HOF to me and if healthy at 21 has so much more time for us to build a winner around him. Why are soo many saying it was a huge mistake? It is obvious Eli needs to be replaced, but people are acting like we cant use other picks in the future to take a QB, odds weren't any better in 2018 Draft were they of finding our guy (and even if we took QB this season wouldn't be playing any different). What are your thoughts on this line of thinking?
You lost me right after Boomer said.
There’s more than one way to build a team and whether we took Darnold or Barkley it was going to be a multi year process.
This organization failed, to upgrade it's OL since 2010.....and we are have no end in sight for this problem....
Provided that they move on from Eli some time between now and Week 1 2019, I think there’s a good chance that we’ll look back and be thankful that we took the RB and endured this season with Eli in a year where the Giants were bound to suck anyhow.
I’ve been a proponent that the Giants should have leaned a little bit harder into the rebuild as far as Eli’s contract is concerned, but I fear that the alternative paths wouldn’t have lead to Barkley as a Giant. That’s just my belief.
Man it’s about more than this season.
By the way Boomer also reiterated the idea that Gettleman hire was contingent upon keeping Eli which would be a much bigger concern if true.
By the way Boomer also reiterated the idea that Gettleman hire was contingent upon keeping Eli which would be a much bigger concern if true.
No one that said they thought it was time to move on from Eli was getting the job.
If any of them do, and they don't manage to get a good or better QB in 2019, they lose.
That said. You bite the bullet next draft with OL as a major priority and then feed betcher playmakers. Solder can play RT if the new one is better.
New offensive coordinator and offensive line coach, new safety coach.
In order, T,RG/C, defensive playmakers for any back 6 spots and bobs your uncle.
And force the new O coaches to adjust and make better use of such as WR Evan engram, etc.
No more O skinny talent until you show you can use them.
This organization failed, to upgrade it's OL since 2010.....and we are have no end in sight for this problem....
I keep reading snot like this. Outside of a fluke injury what exactly are you talking about and where is the precedence? I posted yesterday that since 2011 (I believe) all 1st round RBs are still in the league but 3. 2 because they stink but are still playing (Richardson and Sankey) and David Wilson.
What RB who’s ever been this good has simply stopped being good after 2 years without it being due to a career ending injury.
This is such a lazy, baseless argument.
I have no regrets on Barkley. Barring injury he's likely going to the hall. That's always a good return.
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So say for a minute the Giants drafted Darnold. Is Darnold starting? Probably not. Even if he is, this team is no better, and maybe worse. Which may not be an indictment of Darnold, but just the team in general.
Man it’s about more than this season.
So why force a pick on a QB the front office didn't love as a prospect? You force picks and you get Ereck Flowers.
As a RB that can do it all (on and off the field), he's going to immensely help the development of Eli's heir.
We'd be picking top 5 again next year even if we selected Darnold. But it's unlikely that we'd get a player anywhere close to Barkley's level.
It takes two to tango. Teams know ahead of time who is willing to make a move, especially at the top of the draft. It does not come from DG, but rather there are back channels between scouts. If Jets had indicated they were not moving up from 3 because they had 3 guys they liked what are the Giants to do?
It’s bizarre to me too. I get wanting immediate dividends but I’m fine waiting to see what’s built.
If you watch Barkley and think that the Giants made a colossal mistake instead of enjoying the guy instantly look fantastic, I don't know what to say.
but then again - on this thread, you still have at least two posters who think that everything the team has done has been to preserve the legacy of Eli, including hiring a GM and coach who were mandated to keep him.
Fucking morons.
This guy will be a beast for years to come
This organization failed, to upgrade it's OL since 2010.....and we are have no end in sight for this problem....
+1 Love Eli, but he isn't a fit for this offense especially with this line in front of him. I think in another system, on a different team, he would play very well.
But you can’t underestimate the Sean McVay factor. That guy seems to have a batch of magic dust that no one else can order or make...
It's over with, SB is a tremendous talent out there. Open the eyes and soak him in, and know the QB isn't far behind him.
Running back is a non essential complimentary position.
QB's win championships.
Barkley is as advertised but he'll just be a side show until they get him a very good QB. They better get that QB fast because RB's have a short shelf life.
By the way Boomer also reiterated the idea that Gettleman hire was contingent upon keeping Eli which would be a much bigger concern if true.
Running back is a non essential complimentary position.
QB's win championships.
Barkley is as advertised but he'll just be a side show until they get him a very good QB. They better get that QB fast because RB's have a short shelf life.
Keep restructuring, but replacing the guy under center will actually make it move faster...
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career record was 78-82 with 1 playoff win for his career.
Running back is a non essential complimentary position.
QB's win championships.
With a QB - 2nd pick overall - you'd have a 10 year run. You could have gotten a good rb in rd 2 or 3 etc.
With a QB - 2nd pick overall - you'd have a 10 year run. You could have gotten a good rb in rd 2 or 3 etc.
Todd Gurley doesn't look like he's fading...
It's over with, SB is a tremendous talent out there. Open the eyes and soak him in, and know the QB isn't far behind him.
He really is a beast. He's really the only reason to watch this team right now.
With a QB - 2nd pick overall - you'd have a 10 year run. You could have gotten a good rb in rd 2 or 3 etc.
Ereck Flowers
If any of them do, and they don't manage to get a good or better QB in 2019, they lose.
It’s not that simple. Not only do one of the QBs have to pan out, we would have to have picked the right one.
I wanted to draft a QB and still want a new QB, but it was not a mistake to draft Barkley, who may very well become the best offensive player in the league. Who knows, it’s possible. That is a great draft pick.
If you watch Barkley and think that the Giants made a colossal mistake instead of enjoying the guy instantly look fantastic, I don't know what to say.
but then again - on this thread, you still have at least two posters who think that everything the team has done has been to preserve the legacy of Eli, including hiring a GM and coach who were mandated to keep him.
Fucking morons.
You have to admit this sucks. I wish he would have retired. Every week, every national pregame, this will be a lead story. They have played this poorly before some of team starts making business decisions. You can't blame them. They know the expected career span of an NFL player. At least Earl Thomas is set. We can expect blowouts and teammates eventually throwing Eli under the bus(started already)This is going to get a lot worse. It was very easy to predict considering the state of the roster.
I am not even mad. I am sad. Our division has the book on Eli and we do not even look competitive in our own division when our rivals are playing like shit. Honestly, it hurts to think about the rest of the season. I just hope Barkley doesn't get hurt trying to be superman in a lost season because that kid is the real deal. Nothing to even argue about anymore. I suppose you can rail against the 2 people that seem to take joy in Eli's demise, but that's nothing to look forward to.
Keep restructuring, but replacing the guy under center will actually make it move faster...
Yep, and in a perfect world, Lauletta proves to be a good backup who you can maybe flip in the future. Key is getting him reps this year - and not screwing it up like the regime did it last year. Have a plan. This is the extended off week - start planning to move him to #2.
I've posted this on other threads...we got the very best player in the draft as of right now. Barkley looks simply awesome.
We'll be in position to draft a QB next year........
But you can’t underestimate the Sean McVay factor. That guy seems to have a batch of magic dust that no one else can order or make...
Also, Gurley was coming off an ACL surgery.
It was only about 6 months after his surgery.
So they took him at No. 10 I believe, it has worked out, but there was risk involved there at No. 10.
It's not like he was a second round pick.
How many people on here were calling Goff a bust
after his rookie year as well, you can't judge a QB
in one year.
Running back is a non essential complimentary position.
QB's win championships.
Barkley is as advertised but he'll just be a side show until they get him a very good QB. They better get that QB fast because RB's have a short shelf life.
Just a putrid post. They have their franchise QB and still can’t win, so is it the franchise or your shitty argument that’s the problem - or both?
a rookie potential franchise qb having weapons like barkley/beckham is pretty appealing
I think the one thing to keep in mind is, Gettleman can't worry about what was done in the past - and essentially try to speed things up to satisfy the fans.
Having another lost season sucks for everyone - including him - but he's not sitting there saying wow we have been bad since 2013..........
I believe he has a plan, sure they wanted to contend this year but it's not working out. No one more than him realizes it's a multi year rebuilding plan - due to those bad drafts.
We'll be in position to draft a QB next year........
this is indisputable...
Running back is a non essential complimentary position.
QB's win championships.
Barkley is as advertised but he'll just be a side show until they get him a very good QB. They better get that QB fast because RB's have a short shelf life.
So your saying we won the last two championships based primarily on Eli?
By the way Boomer also reiterated the idea that Gettleman hire was contingent upon keeping Eli which would be a much bigger concern if true.
Lol Boomer Esiason.
Know who else did that? LT. Flash back to that draft.
Should the Giants have picked a QB instead of LT in that draft? Rich Campbell went to the GB Packers @ 6. Would that have been the better move? If you think about positional value, given that Simms was coming off a 48% comp percentage, 15TD/19INT season, why was picking a LB in that situation the right choice?
When you have a chance to get a guy who changes the game you take him. Positions be damned.
SB may not have the career we all want for him, but he is absolutely the game-changer at this point and picking him was absolutely the best choice. Yes, it involves risk. But you don't become a GREAT team by taking the avoiding risk.
I still would have traded back and started a serious rebuild.
Francesa and Sommers, the two old farts, are the only ones at that station that actually follow the Giants or do not root against them.
I still would have traded back and started a serious rebuild.
Myself I'd rather have a small number of great to a lot of middlings.
I like the Barkley pick. He' a building block and a dynamic player for years to come. Yes lets get a QB in the draft (whichever one they think is the best), and keep improving the OL.
We are in year 1 of a 2-3 year rebuild
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bu history full of lousy teams with great RBs.
I still would have traded back and started a serious rebuild.
I suppose quantity over quality is a philosophical question that applies to so many things.
Myself I'd rather have a small number of great to a lot of middlings.
Unless there was no offer to trade back. I may be mistaken, but wasn't it the case that the Jets overpaid for #3, and since there were so many QBs in the draft anyway, nobody was offering what the Jets were offering. How pissed would this board have been in Gettleman took less than what the Colts got to trade down so that we could draft for need, and Barkley was inevitably shredding the league even worse with another team (which he would be, since there are about 30 offensive lines in the NFL better than our's), while the Giants now sit at 0-6, since Saquon is literally 90% of our production?
On the other side, we saw the Eagles with no names at running back and an extremely talented qb move the ball very well, and most importantly, score points.
Now, as many of you point out, if the Giants come away with Herbert and Barkley, I think we all have to be happy. The more I watch Herbert play, the more I think he transcends the Oregon qb stigma. He makes throws in tight windows that Oregon qbs before simply wouldn't.
This may sound awful, but I am not sure the Giants winning another game this year does much for the franchise beyond 2018. I believe Herbert will declare, so it could all work out in the end.
I like the Barkley pick. He' a building block and a dynamic player for years to come. Yes lets get a QB in the draft (whichever one they think is the best), and keep improving the OL.
We are in year 1 of a 2-3 year rebuild
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But Barkley is The Show; and the fans can still be entertained and still fill the seats. And watch Barkley make incredible run after incredible run.
So for John Mara the message is this - ignore the scoreboard and watch 26. And thanks for coming and paying for concessions.
But Barkley is The Show; and the fans can still be entertained and still fill the seats. And watch Barkley make incredible run after incredible run.
So for John Mara the message is this - ignore the scoreboard and watch 26. And thanks for coming and paying for concessions.
I kind of get that though. I mean, I get upset about the W-L of each individual game, but I'm not employed by the team and I make no money or derive any other benefit from their ultimate positioning. I want to be entertained and, while a losing team full of drek isn't entertaining, I can still derive pleasure (within the angst of losing the game itself) from seeing unusual or incredible pieces.
Detroit had the same type of “ROI” with Sanders.
He's one of the best players in the league right now and they aren't even using him enough in the pass game (although he is on pace to break the NFL record for receptions by a RB ;).
Darnold and Rosen look really good too. But QBs are harder to evaluate even after a year or two or three. Yes these 2 look very good but that can change.
Barkley? He's a guaranteed elite player for many years. There isn't anything else to see. He has everything to be elite.
The QBs? We have to see a lot more and they have a lot of developing to go. You see guys look great early at QB and then suck for 5+ seasons.
Similar logic led us to picking SB, and the results on the field show he's the same kind of talent. Game-altering.
You absolutely have to trust the process and accept that we are in a multi-year rebuild where we collect the best players available to make a dominant team.
Hopefully we get our future QB next year. If not, we better not pass up any generational talent we get a chance to pick.
yes - I think darnold has this team at 3-3, 2-4. but who cares. let's move forward and hopefully find our QB for the next decade next year.
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believe if Darnold was are QB without Barkley we would be winning games? I don't think so at all if fact he probably would be sitting on the bench and we would all be screaming for them to play him.
yes - I think darnold has this team at 3-3, 2-4. but who cares. let's move forward and hopefully find our QB for the next decade next year.
That's selling Darnold short. I think that we would be undefeated.
And stars would shoot out of our asses on the sideline. Cotton candy clouds would rain grape nehi down upon our heads.
With pure speculative fantasy, anything is possible and everything is equal.
On the other side, we saw the Eagles with no names at running back and an extremely talented qb move the ball very well, and most importantly, score points.
Now, as many of you point out, if the Giants come away with Herbert and Barkley, I think we all have to be happy. The more I watch Herbert play, the more I think he transcends the Oregon qb stigma. He makes throws in tight windows that Oregon qbs before simply wouldn't.
This may sound awful, but I am not sure the Giants winning another game this year does much for the franchise beyond 2018. I believe Herbert will declare, so it could all work out in the end.
Imagine how bad last nights game would of looked without Barkley.
He's one of the best players in the league right now and they aren't even using him enough in the pass game (although he is on pace to break the NFL record for receptions by a RB ;).
Darnold and Rosen look really good too. But QBs are harder to evaluate even after a year or two or three. Yes these 2 look very good but that can change.
Barkley? He's a guaranteed elite player for many years. There isn't anything else to see. He has everything to be elite.
The QBs? We have to see a lot more and they have a lot of developing to go. You see guys look great early at QB and then suck for 5+ seasons.
Spot on