Barkley - Reflection on using 2nd Pick

He is not another Jerry Reese bust. By the looks of how it is going we will be picking fairly high and if there is a worth QB we will take him. With virtually no cap space unless Eli retires. It will be tough to fix next year.

They look dumber and dumber by the week for passing on Darnold.

In comment 14123031 The_Boss said:

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They look dumber and dumber by the week for passing on Darnold.

You lost me right after Boomer said.

Darnold has done nothing yet... Barkley is clearly the best talent from the draft.. the only QB that seems to have more impact than Barkley so far was unavailable at 2nd pick..

Quarterback next year it will turn out to be the correct move

but I feel just fine with it, he’s easily been the best player on both sides of the ball. It’s clear we need to move on from Eli as well and hopefully that gets handled in the off season, but that doesn’t mean Barkley wasn’t a good pick and/or the right pick.

There’s more than one way to build a team and whether we took Darnold or Barkley it was going to be a multi year process.

by the time he gets an OL in front of him, and a new qb, he could be a shell of what he is now...

This organization failed, to upgrade it's OL since 2010.....and we are have no end in sight for this problem....

and I was in the draft a QB camp—big time. I think I went as far as to say it would be one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history not taking one. I was wrong, Barkley is a special player that doesn’t come along every year. The qbs that were in last years draft with the possible exception of Mayfield, who we couldn’t get because he went first, will be around this year

because that's what it would take for any QB to survive this o-line.

So say for a minute the Giants drafted Darnold. Is Darnold starting? Probably not. Even if he is, this team is no better, and maybe worse. Which may not be an indictment of Darnold, but just the team in general.

But it was stupid to draft a RB when you have an old QB that hasn’t been good in several seasons.

I’m glad the Giants ended up with Barkley. We’re talking about a generational talent.

Provided that they move on from Eli some time between now and Week 1 2019, I think there’s a good chance that we’ll look back and be thankful that we took the RB and endured this season with Eli in a year where the Giants were bound to suck anyhow.

I’ve been a proponent that the Giants should have leaned a little bit harder into the rebuild as far as Eli’s contract is concerned, but I fear that the alternative paths wouldn’t have lead to Barkley as a Giant. That’s just my belief.

In comment 14123061 smokeybandit said:

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So say for a minute the Giants drafted Darnold. Is Darnold starting? Probably not. Even if he is, this team is no better, and maybe worse. Which may not be an indictment of Darnold, but just the team in general.

Man it’s about more than this season.

The opinion of a guy like Boomer Eaison because he s a "Giants Hater" is silly

By the way Boomer also reiterated the idea that Gettleman hire was contingent upon keeping Eli which would be a much bigger concern if true.

but this team needs so much more that we're years away from being good. Might as well take the best player in the draft and I have no doubt that is Barkley.

Barkley and Herbert, I would say that is making the best of a really bad situation.

In comment 14123075 joeinpa said:

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The opinion of a guy like Boomer Eaison because he s a "Giants Hater" is silly By the way Boomer also reiterated the idea that Gettleman hire was contingent upon keeping Eli which would be a much bigger concern if true.

No one that said they thought it was time to move on from Eli was getting the job.

longer term, so long as none of the '18 QBs (save for Mayfield) turn out to be good to great, they win.

If any of them do, and they don't manage to get a good or better QB in 2019, they lose.

time will tell if he was the right pick. If the Giants languish in QB hell for 5 years while Darnold shines for the Jets....it may have been a mistake.

But the extreme minority position of trade down is looking more rational right now.

That said. You bite the bullet next draft with OL as a major priority and then feed betcher playmakers. Solder can play RT if the new one is better.

New offensive coordinator and offensive line coach, new safety coach.

In order, T,RG/C, defensive playmakers for any back 6 spots and bobs your uncle.

And force the new O coaches to adjust and make better use of such as WR Evan engram, etc.

No more O skinny talent until you show you can use them.

In comment 14123049 Doomster said:

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by the time he gets an OL in front of him, and a new qb, he could be a shell of what he is now... This organization failed, to upgrade it's OL since 2010.....and we are have no end in sight for this problem....

I keep reading snot like this. Outside of a fluke injury what exactly are you talking about and where is the precedence? I posted yesterday that since 2011 (I believe) all 1st round RBs are still in the league but 3. 2 because they stink but are still playing (Richardson and Sankey) and David Wilson.

What RB who’s ever been this good has simply stopped being good after 2 years without it being due to a career ending injury.

This is such a lazy, baseless argument.

I was middle of the road when it was draft time... I could have went either way. I'm now absolutely positive that Barkley was the best pick. A rookie QB, with this line, would have PTSD after his first season. Fuck that. Continue to upgrade the line, move on from Eli in the off-season and draft his replacement in the draft. Herbert looks good to me.

we made the right pick the kid is a stud. We look dumber and dumber playing Eli and not addressing the issue already.

As of now the only QB from the 2018 Draft who has shown anything is Baker Mayfield and Cleveland selected him first overall. Darnold has shown flashes, but overall he has looked like a QB who needed to sit behind a veteran and learn rather than be thrown into the fire right away. Whoever is the next Giants QB will have an elite talent in Barkley. If we could have the OL to protect our QB (see Rams again) this has the potential to be a dominant offense.

You have to trade down. Even to 3 with the Jets. The fact that DG admitted that he didn’t even make a call is malpractice.

Barkley is going to aid their development so much. The question, as others on this thread have pointed out, is will we be able to get a comparable QB to Darnold.

I have no regrets on Barkley. Barring injury he's likely going to the hall. That's always a good return.

In comment 14123068 Rflairr said:

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In comment 14123061 smokeybandit said: Quote: So say for a minute the Giants drafted Darnold. Is Darnold starting? Probably not. Even if he is, this team is no better, and maybe worse. Which may not be an indictment of Darnold, but just the team in general. Man it’s about more than this season.

So why force a pick on a QB the front office didn't love as a prospect? You force picks and you get Ereck Flowers.

and likely better than anyone in next years draft.

As a RB that can do it all (on and off the field), he's going to immensely help the development of Eli's heir.

We'd be picking top 5 again next year even if we selected Darnold. But it's unlikely that we'd get a player anywhere close to Barkley's level.

Continue, why act like there's no other prospects coming in 2019? You don't need a top 5 pick QB to be successful. Are Mariota and Winston pushing their teams to the contendership? Mahomes is the hot ticket and he was chosen in the early teens.

In comment 14123198 Justlurking said:

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You have to trade down. Even to 3 with the Jets. The fact that DG admitted that he didn’t even make a call is malpractice.

It takes two to tango. Teams know ahead of time who is willing to make a move, especially at the top of the draft. It does not come from DG, but rather there are back channels between scouts. If Jets had indicated they were not moving up from 3 because they had 3 guys they liked what are the Giants to do?

In comment 14123223 Toth029 said:

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Continue, why act like there's no other prospects coming in 2019? You don't need a top 5 pick QB to be successful. Are Mariota and Winston pushing their teams to the contendership? Mahomes is the hot ticket and he was chosen in the early teens.

It’s bizarre to me too. I get wanting immediate dividends but I’m fine waiting to see what’s built.

will be our next QB...

to do to look at the Rams to see what they did drafting a RB then a QB to see that not all is lost.

If you watch Barkley and think that the Giants made a colossal mistake instead of enjoying the guy instantly look fantastic, I don't know what to say.

but then again - on this thread, you still have at least two posters who think that everything the team has done has been to preserve the legacy of Eli, including hiring a GM and coach who were mandated to keep him.

Fucking morons.

believe if Darnold was are QB without Barkley we would be winning games? I don't think so at all if fact he probably would be sitting on the bench and we would all be screaming for them to play him.

probably won’t for quite some time. Barkley, even after 6 games is exactly, (if not more) as advertised. I would take this guy over and over and over again over ANY player available this year.

This guy will be a beast for years to come

In comment 14123049 Doomster said:

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by the time he gets an OL in front of him, and a new qb, he could be a shell of what he is now... This organization failed, to upgrade it's OL since 2010.....and we are have no end in sight for this problem....

+1 Love Eli, but he isn't a fit for this offense especially with this line in front of him. I think in another system, on a different team, he would play very well.

Yes, they chose Gurley then Goff.

But you can’t underestimate the Sean McVay factor. That guy seems to have a batch of magic dust that no one else can order or make...

and the best QB prospect in the next draft.

It's over with, SB is a tremendous talent out there. Open the eyes and soak him in, and know the QB isn't far behind him.

the best talented RB in the league. Just on eye test alone. The guy has sick talent.

career record was 78-82 with 1 playoff win for his career.

Running back is a non essential complimentary position.

QB's win championships.

Barkley is as advertised but he'll just be a side show until they get him a very good QB. They better get that QB fast because RB's have a short shelf life.

In comment 14123075 joeinpa said:

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The opinion of a guy like Boomer Eaison because he s a "Giants Hater" is silly By the way Boomer also reiterated the idea that Gettleman hire was contingent upon keeping Eli which would be a much bigger concern if true.

In all likelihood he's just picking up Ranaan's dross and trying to make it sound like he knows something. That's generally how these things work...someone makes something up, somebody else repeats it, soon it becomes gospel and treated as fact. Nobody ever goes and checks on the truth of things.

In comment 14123339 arniefez said:

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career record was 78-82 with 1 playoff win for his career. Running back is a non essential complimentary position. QB's win championships. Barkley is as advertised but he'll just be a side show until they get him a very good QB. They better get that QB fast because RB's have a short shelf life.

You can play that same game with tons of talented QB's. Anecdotes make the basis for poor policy.

with Lauletta. See if you can land another OL in free agency and another in Rd 2.

Keep restructuring, but replacing the guy under center will actually make it move faster...

this must be very comforting to Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton, Philip Rivers, Cam Newton, Boomer Esiason or even those stellar to draft QB's like Ryan Leaf, JeMarcus Russell, Rick Mirer and RGIII.

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Barry Sanders arniefez : 8:54 am : link : reply career record was 78-82 with 1 playoff win for his career. Running back is a non essential complimentary position. QB's win championships.

By the time they get an offensive line, get a pass rusher and we can see teh secondary isn't very good - and get a decent to very good QB -- how long before Barkley begins to fade?

With a QB - 2nd pick overall - you'd have a 10 year run. You could have gotten a good rb in rd 2 or 3 etc.

In comment 14123368 giantstock said:

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By the time they get an offensive line, get a pass rusher and we can see teh secondary isn't very good - and get a decent to very good QB -- how long before Barkley begins to fade? With a QB - 2nd pick overall - you'd have a 10 year run. You could have gotten a good rb in rd 2 or 3 etc.

Todd Gurley doesn't look like he's fading...

In comment 14123320 JonC said:

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and the best QB prospect in the next draft. It's over with, SB is a tremendous talent out there. Open the eyes and soak him in, and know the QB isn't far behind him.

He really is a beast. He's really the only reason to watch this team right now.

In comment 14123368 giantstock said:

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By the time they get an offensive line, get a pass rusher and we can see teh secondary isn't very good - and get a decent to very good QB -- how long before Barkley begins to fade? With a QB - 2nd pick overall - you'd have a 10 year run. You could have gotten a good rb in rd 2 or 3 etc.

Ereck Flowers

that get hurt the most and have very short primes. We might be able to build a winner with Barkley but we're looking at another top 3 pick with this awful QB play.

In comment 14123081 jcn56 said:

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longer term, so long as none of the '18 QBs (save for Mayfield) turn out to be good to great, they win. If any of them do, and they don't manage to get a good or better QB in 2019, they lose.

It’s not that simple. Not only do one of the QBs have to pan out, we would have to have picked the right one.

I wanted to draft a QB and still want a new QB, but it was not a mistake to draft Barkley, who may very well become the best offensive player in the league. Who knows, it’s possible. That is a great draft pick.