Eli Manning: I've never re-posted someone else's comments...

It is becoming clear that the culture is not what it should be, but as to that concern, let’s see if it worsens or improves the next 10 games.

As to Eli, AGAIN, there is nothing physically wrong with the guy. I’ll repeat what I’ve said over and over during the offseason: My only concern about Eli is PTSD from years of abuse.

If they want to go to Lauletta, I would think 8 games (after the bye) would be a decent indicator (but far from definitive) of whether or not he’s our future. I’d rather get a stud for the OL than pick a name college QB if KL could be the guy

of blocking if Tom Brady was the QB.

In comment 14123139 Big Blue '56 said:

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It is becoming clear that the culture is not what it should be, but as to that concern, let’s see if it worsens or improves the next 10 games. As to Eli, AGAIN, there is nothing physically wrong with the guy. I’ll repeat what I’ve said over and over during the offseason: My only concern about Eli is PTSD from years of abuse. If they want to go to Lauletta, I would think 8 games (after the bye) would be a decent indicator (but far from definitive) of whether or not he’s our future. I’d rather get a stud for the OL than pick a name college QB if KL could be the guy

I hear ya and for the most part agree but to say his arm is the same would not be accurate. His short comings LONG ball strength and accuracy when hurried are magnified now that he is in is late 30's. Eli has not been a GREAT QB for years and now isn't even a good QB. Yes, the Oline is a problem but damnit, we can't say you need to keep people from even getting close to him in order for him to play well.

The first interception was all on Eli. The LB was right there to the TE's right shoulder (with the TE facing Eli) and instead of Eli throwing the ball to his chest or left shoulder he throws it to the right shoulder exactly where the LB is. I know, we will blame the route on the TE etc. but this isn't a timing route, the TE was facing ELI. It is a bad throw and a horrible way to start the game.

In comment 14123143 SHO'NUFF said:

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of blocking if Tom Brady was the QB.

Well, I see your point, and it’s a fair point. But I think what people are saying is that if we had Mahomes or Wilson or Watson or Rodgers back there that those are the kinds of QBs that could at least move around and make it interesting.

Because there is no accountability at the QB spot. They saw it last year. They see it now.

In comment 14123157 ajr2456 said:

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Because there is no accountability at the QB spot. They saw it last year. They see it now.

Bullshit, they all get paid as pros. If you pack it in that is on you as a player and a critical failure as a HC.

This team sucks, every single part of it. Eli can no longer get it done, but that is no reason for players to quit. The Giants are rock bottom now and it will take a lot to rebuild.

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In comment 14123157 ajr2456 said: Quote: Because there is no accountability at the QB spot. They saw it last year. They see it now. Bullshit, they all get paid as pros. If you pack it in that is on you as a player and a critical failure as a HC. This team sucks, every single part of it. Eli can no longer get it done, but that is no reason for players to quit. The Giants are rock bottom now and it will take a lot to rebuild.

They see through the bullshit and now their season is being wasted. Right or wrong, I can’t blame them.

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In comment 14123070 mittenedman said: Quote: who believes the lockerroom rumors 100%, I agree and I thought we saw that from OBJ last night. At this point I think Lauletta would energize the team if nothing else. Lauletta would have his confidence completely destroyed in a couple of games playing behind that awful line.

Thats ok.. If he is going to lose his confidence that easily then we can just move on from him and draft a QB with our number 1 pick.. its not like we have to baby him.. we didn't baby Eli back in 2004 either..

I don't want to hear this "his confidence will be crushed" nonsense. He has an all word RB and WR to play with as well as a potential weapon in Engram and a nice complimentary guy in Sheppard. This isn't David Carr 2002 in Houston. Sure the O-line is a problem still,but like others have said you could see from the angles last night especially from behind that the opportunities were there to step up in the pocket and avoid the rush. Unlike the last few years the rush is coming more from the edges than up the gut. People around here forget how bad things were for Eli is a rookie. Remember the back to back Beltway games in DC and Baltimore? The Ravens game Deion and their secondary were laughing at Eli. I think he threw for about 8 net yds.

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In comment 14123059 Rflairr said: Quote: A statue back there. And he’s calling out the protections. He’s done folks You are a human stain.

Truth hurts

In comment 14123139 Big Blue '56 said:

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It is becoming clear that the culture is not what it should be, but as to that concern, let’s see if it worsens or improves the next 10 games.

With due respect, do you not look to your leaders to help establish that culture? The things we saw last year and continuing into this year --under new staff-- would never have been tolerated by the likes of Carl Banks and the '80's team. Where is leadership applied to Odell, the Oline and D secondary guys last year, the effort we saw last night?

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In comment 14123139 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: It is becoming clear that the culture is not what it should be, but as to that concern, let’s see if it worsens or improves the next 10 games. With due respect, do you not look to your leaders to help establish that culture? The things we saw last year and continuing into this year --under new staff-- would never have been tolerated by the likes of Carl Banks and the '80's team. Where is leadership applied to Odell, the Oline and D secondary guys last year, the effort we saw last night?

And not only under a new staff, but 60% of the roster purged. How can that happen of there is leadership in the locker room?

In comment 14123139 Big Blue '56 said:

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As to Eli, AGAIN, there is nothing physically wrong with the guy. I�ll repeat what I�ve said over and over during the offseason: My only concern about Eli is PTSD from years of abuse.

BB, I agree that he is shellshocked and have been saying it for some time. However, I will disagree that physically he has some issues that kill an offense in the modern game: first, lack of mobility and the ability to extend plays, and second his accuracy (average at best) has gotten worse as the years have gone on.

Why is it so hard for Giants' fans to see what the rest of the NFL fans see in terms of Eli's decline? Who cares whether it is his fault, the line's fault, the coach or the scheme. Simple truth, this team cannot succeed with Eli now and he cannot possibly succeed with the team he has been given--for whatever reason. Move on now. If he is still as good as his advocates think, there will be another team clamoring for him and he should go and perform to the best of his ability. He would deserve that chance.

to move on from Eli Manning. It was a decision that the coach and the gm wanted and ownership was on board with.

That decision was reversed, not for football reasons, but because of the backlash from the fans and the media. The coach and the gm were then fired (rightly so, but for other reasons) and ownership tried to plead ignorance. The new gm and coach were hired either explicitly or implicitly under the condition that they accept Eli as the starting quarterback.

That should tell you everything you need to know about the thought process going on in the organization that lead to Eli being brought back this season. He was not brought back out of a conviction that he could still play. He was brought back for public relations reasons. And here we are now ... completely lost.

In comment 14123243 eugibs said:

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to move on from Eli Manning. It was a decision that the coach and the gm wanted and ownership was on board with. That decision was reversed, not for football reasons, but because of the backlash from the fans and the media. The coach and the gm were then fired (rightly so, but for other reasons) and ownership tried to plead ignorance. The new gm and coach were hired either explicitly or implicitly under the condition that they accept Eli as the starting quarterback. That should tell you everything you need to know about the thought process going on in the organization that lead to Eli being brought back this season. He was not brought back out of a conviction that he could still play. He was brought back for public relations reasons. And here we are now ... completely lost.

The problem was the messengers and the replacement. If they had said "We're going to give Davis Webb some looks, it's time," there wouldn't have been a backlash. But fans did not want Geno Smith, a garbage player from the Jets. And dumb-ass McAdoo botched the messaging and the Maras let him twist in the wind.

In comment 14123139 Big Blue '56 said:

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It is becoming clear that the culture is not what it should be, but as to that concern, let’s see if it worsens or improves the next 10 games. As to Eli, AGAIN, there is nothing physically wrong with the guy. I’ll repeat what I’ve said over and over during the offseason: My only concern about Eli is PTSD from years of abuse. If they want to go to Lauletta, I would think 8 games (after the bye) would be a decent indicator (but far from definitive) of whether or not he’s our future. I’d rather get a stud for the OL than pick a name college QB if KL could be the guy

Oh come on. It’s painfully clear (even dep has come to the realization) that Eli is now a very limited QB. He’s not starter material anymore folks. The rationalizations are starting to become so paper thin and stale it’s provoking rage on this site from both sides.

The locker room is going to turn on Eli and then tune out for the rest of the year unless this magically turns around, which it likely won’t.

Come on. We all see it. I’m sad about Eli. This is not what I want to see, but stubbornness is one of his traits that served him well when he was in his prime, now it’s just prolonging the pain for him and us of what most superstars experience which is a downfall and decline.

Not everybody gets to go out like Elway and a Strahan.

But it's over.

Eli is the Captain and leader of the team. And the lockerroom is in disarray. It's not unreasonable to ask WTF he's doing leadership-wise if that's the case.

If he's a quiet lead by example type of guy (like Snacks) he isn't the leader.

In fact, if you go back through time Eli has always needed more leadership, whether it be Strahan, Osi, Tuck, JPP, Rolle - there has always been people implored to step up as leaders during rudderless ship times.

I'm fine that he's not a rah-rah guy, but he's not leading anyone anywhere anymore, and hasn't for a long time.

I also do not care for the "he can still play under the right circumstances" argument. There isn't a '95 Cowboys anywhere. It's a different game and not even one that's particularly appealing, as Aikman said numerous times last night. The NFL quality of play is pretty much gone.

In comment 14123186 Rflairr said:

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In comment 14123091 McNally's_Nuts said: Quote: In comment 14123059 Rflairr said: Quote: A statue back there. And he’s calling out the protections. He’s done folks You are a human stain. Truth hurts

What hurts is your lack of knowledge, even simple knowledge about the game. Your information about football seems to have derived from video games which you consider suitable to spread your knowledge like an STD

In comment 14123185 Stu11 said:

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I don't want to hear this "his confidence will be crushed" nonsense. He has an all word RB and WR to play with as well as a potential weapon in Engram and a nice complimentary guy in Sheppard. This isn't David Carr 2002 in Houston. Sure the O-line is a problem still,but like others have said you could see from the angles last night especially from behind that the opportunities were there to step up in the pocket and avoid the rush. Unlike the last few years the rush is coming more from the edges than up the gut. People around here forget how bad things were for Eli is a rookie. Remember the back to back Beltway games in DC and Baltimore? The Ravens game Deion and their secondary were laughing at Eli. I think he threw for about 8 net yds.

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I would agree, by the time they are 2-10 or 3-9,
let Lauletta play the last quarter of the season.
That was the mistake they made last year, playing Geno
instead of Webb. I think the Giants need to eat the
6.2 mill. in dead money and move on from Eli after the season already.
It's obvious he can't help this team anymore, regardless of what some might think. He is a skitterish QB now.
The way they are going this year, looks like a top 5 pick is certainly doable yet again.

In comment 14123272 Sammo85 said:

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Oh come on. It’s painfully clear (even dep has come to the realization) that Eli is now a very limited QB. He’s not starter material anymore folks. The rationalizations are starting to become so paper thin and stale it’s provoking rage on this site from both sides. The locker room is going to turn on Eli and then tune out for the rest of the year unless this magically turns around, which it likely won’t. Come on. We all see it. I’m sad about Eli. This is not what I want to see, but stubbornness is one of his traits that served him well when he was in his prime, now it’s just prolonging the pain for him and us of what most superstars experience which is a downfall and decline. Not everybody gets to go out like Elway and a Strahan.

I completely agree with all of this.

Eli's a family man who's signed up for $17M next year. He's not going to walk away from that. Someone's going to have to ask him to leave.

There is a $5M bonus due to him the 5th day of the league year. Should be interesting.

The defense absolutely quit yesterday after the offense couldn't get anything going. Its gotta be demoralizing. IT's not ok, it tells us a lot about the character of guys like Snacks and Jenkins, but it is what it is. I think the team and most people outside the organization knew that Eli was done.

In comment 14123139 Big Blue '56 said:

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It is becoming clear that the culture is not what it should be, but as to that concern, let’s see if it worsens or improves the next 10 games. As to Eli, AGAIN, there is nothing physically wrong with the guy. I’ll repeat what I’ve said over and over during the offseason: My only concern about Eli is PTSD from years of abuse. If they want to go to Lauletta, I would think 8 games (after the bye) would be a decent indicator (but far from definitive) of whether or not he’s our future. I’d rather get a stud for the OL than pick a name college QB if KL could be the guy

I love your optimism and I agree with your PTSD or as I call it David Carr Syndrome.

But I have to disagree with you on Eli's physical abilities.

He was never going to win a race but his pocket mobility was very good at one point. Not Tom Brady, but very good. Right now, the guy is a traffic cone back there. He cant move and when he gets touched he folds like a cheap suit.

I think his arm still has lots of throws but he cant move AT ALL and behind unless conditions are perfect for him, it will not be a good play.

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The defense absolutely quit yesterday after the offense couldn't get anything going. Its gotta be demoralizing. IT's not ok, it tells us a lot about the character of guys like Snacks and Jenkins, but it is what it is. I think the team and most people outside the organization knew that Eli was done.

see this is hilarious to me, everyone knew he was done but those same people cried bloody murder when they benched him last year..

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The defense absolutely quit yesterday after the offense couldn't get anything going. Its gotta be demoralizing. IT's not ok, it tells us a lot about the character of guys like Snacks and Jenkins, but it is what it is. I think the team and most people outside the organization knew that Eli was done.

I just think it's human nature (in the game of professional football) more than it's a character flaw. Look at the Denver Broncos under their current head coach. With all of the talent they have on defense, they've had quite a few "check out" games since the start of 2017. It would be great if everyone gave 100% regardless of circumstances, but it's unlikely.

In comment 14123264 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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In comment 14123243 eugibs said: Quote: to move on from Eli Manning. It was a decision that the coach and the gm wanted and ownership was on board with. That decision was reversed, not for football reasons, but because of the backlash from the fans and the media. The coach and the gm were then fired (rightly so, but for other reasons) and ownership tried to plead ignorance. The new gm and coach were hired either explicitly or implicitly under the condition that they accept Eli as the starting quarterback. That should tell you everything you need to know about the thought process going on in the organization that lead to Eli being brought back this season. He was not brought back out of a conviction that he could still play. He was brought back for public relations reasons. And here we are now ... completely lost. The problem was the messengers and the replacement. If they had said "We're going to give Davis Webb some looks, it's time," there wouldn't have been a backlash. But fans did not want Geno Smith, a garbage player from the Jets. And dumb-ass McAdoo botched the messaging and the Maras let him twist in the wind.

It probably could have been handled better. But it was always going to be ugly because Eli is beloved and the organization, being 2-10 at that point with a coach and gm having their own serious warts, wasn't exactly in a position of strength with the fanbase.

At the time, the move to Geno Smith seemed extremely stupid and pointless, even for people like me who were ready to move on from Eli. However, knowing what we know now about Davis Webb, even the decision to go to Geno Smith seems more defensible in retrospect as he was apparently the only other professional quarterback on the roster.

My real anger is not with the fans who love Eli and rightly saw a lot of other problems on the roster. My real anger is with the media and people in the NFL who almost unanimously rushed to Eli's defense last year and legitimized and fueled the anger of the fanbase. Now those same media and NFL types, not even a year later, are almost all saying Eli is done. Are we really supposed to believe now that Eli has lost it in the last 10 months? Come on. They all knew he was done last year, but it was a pile on because Eli is well-liked and well-respected in the league and Reese and McAdoo were easy targets. This whole last 12 months have been about public relations for everyone. Not football.

Think it’s more likely the D just isn’t any good than that they checked out.

Other than the one series where OV/Martin took over, they generated very little pass rush. With today’s rules setup the way they are, you have to do that to win. We don’t have the horses right now on that side of the ball.

Phil Simmms was shown the door at the end, it's not always
pretty at the end. Eli is appreciated for what he did in the past, but that's just it, it's in the PAST.

..the team, or the offense, has given up on Eli, particularly after a game versus Carolina where he led them back (provided it was surely a team effort).

I think yesterday, the Giants were a tired football team, plain and simple, and got beat up by a better defensive front.

Manning can still play in the league, but not with this type of offensive line. It's just not a match....at least it wasn't last night.

In comment 14123360 BillKo said:

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..the team, or the offense, has given up on Eli, particularly after a game versus Carolina where he led them back (provided it was surely a team effort). I think yesterday, the Giants were a tired football team, plain and simple, and got beat up by a better defensive front. Manning can still play in the league, but not with this type of offensive line. It's just not a match....at least it wasn't last night.

eli needs a brick wall

In comment 14123300 mittenedman said:

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Eli's a family man who's signed up for $17M next year. He's not going to walk away from that. Someone's going to have to ask him to leave. There is a $5M bonus due to him the 5th day of the league year. Should be interesting.

Sad to say... but that will be Eli Manning's last day as a Giant.

In comment 14123322 eugibs said:

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They all knew he was done last year, but it was a pile on because Eli is well-liked and well-respected in the league and Reese and McAdoo were easy targets. This whole last 12 months have been about public relations for everyone. Not football.

Great point. The media was ready for years to get Reese and McAdoo was easy. At the same time, I love Pat Hanlon, but the communications efforts out of E. Rutherford have been bad for the last year and a half.

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In comment 14123360 BillKo said: Quote: ..the team, or the offense, has given up on Eli, particularly after a game versus Carolina where he led them back (provided it was surely a team effort). I think yesterday, the Giants were a tired football team, plain and simple, and got beat up by a better defensive front. Manning can still play in the league, but not with this type of offensive line. It's just not a match....at least it wasn't last night. eli needs a brick wall

Well, he doesn't need a brick wall. He actually move around find in Carolina, even Bob Papa and Banks commented on that.

If you had a mobile QB, you would have seen him flushed out of the pocket consistently last night. Maybe some plays would have been made.......some not.

The way I look at it. We got the best player - right now it looks - in the draft.

A QB will be the pick next year, as we'll probably be at or near the top of the draft.

that Eli is in decline. This is the nicest way I can say it. He is becoming the reason we aren't winning games far too often. I have the feeling that management has a plan. If we shit the bed this season, so be it. There are pieces in place. We can end up with a great draft pick again in 2019 and it looks like there are some very good QB's that will be available. Seems like a real "trust the process" type of plan.

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that was every bit as bad as what we see from the Giants now. He led the NFL in TD passes anyway. The excuses need to stop.

I agree on the Eli is done theory, but to compare him to Russell Wilson is silly, the guy makes most of his plays outside the pocket!

You don t see a difference in Eli s arm?

Wow

I don’t think it’s about Eli at all, but I do think his time here is finished. It would be best for both to part ways now. The makeup of the team is no longer a fit with their QB. Fans and media are rabid throwing unneeded insults at him, even Odell taking these passive aggressive shots at the entire team and coaches.

It’s stomach turning to see this great Giant get kicked to the ground and have everyone come in for their turn. In addition, I see the entire team still fighting and just getting their hearts broken every week. I wouldn’t be surprised if many on the team felt they were failing Eli, not quitting on him.

says it all:

"He was the first read and it looked like the LB was fading back."

The guy is just too damn mechanical. This his how Chip Kelly so thoroughly dismantled him when he coached PHI. Eli is like a computer algorithm and once you figure out what his reads are you can completely crash his hard drive.

He had the best player in the league - Barkley - wide open for a quick swing pass but no....Simonson is his first read and he was "open". Same as the D dropped so I'm checking it down. Eli cannot, or will not, break free from the X's and O's and DC's have figured out how to destroy him.

In comment 14123546 gmenatlarge said:

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I agree on the Eli is done theory, but to compare him to Russell Wilson is silly, the guy makes most of his plays outside the pocket!

The question was whether anyone could function behind a bad offensive line. I gave an example of a guy who did. Obviously, not everyone is Russell Wilson.

My issue is I think the o-line stinks AND Eli is not capable of being a good NFL QB at this point in his career because he's too inconsistent week to week and even throw to throw. He threw a back-breaking INT 30 seconds into yesterday's game that had absolutely nothing to do with the offensive line.

The offensive line has been as dogshit this year as they were last year. So when did this quitting on Eli happen? Every single guy on the offensive line is different from last season-- so they couldn't have quit on him last season.

Game 1? Game 2? 3? 4? 5? middle of last night? When was the quitting on Eli?

Nate Solder is a high-character, veteran guy. He's quitting on his new team where he was brought in to be a leader of the line?

Will Hernandez is a rookie trying to learn the ropes of the NFL. When did he quit on the team with a vote of no confidence in a 2-time Super Bowl MVP QB?

John Greco was a JAG starter for several years, went on IR in 2016, didn't start a single game in 2017, and finally got a chance to be a starter again because Halapio got hurt. So when did Greco, who is on a one-year deal at the vet minimum decide to not play hard and compromise his chance to play next year just to quit on the QB?


Patrick Omameh is on his 5th team in 6 seasons. He just signed a decent deal with the Giants, but has not had a lasting impact anywhere to show that he's a guy a team wants to stick with. When did he decide to make himself look bad because he wanted to quit on the QB?

Chad Wheeler is an undrafted player in his second season who just got his chance to start a few games ago because the team moved on from their highly-drafted bust Flowers. So when did Wheeler, who has EVERYTHING to prove, decide to suck on purpose because he quit on the QB?

Regarding Paul's point, I'm not saying the OL quit on him in the sense they're not gonna go out there and compete for him, but there must be frustration knowing his immobility makes them look worse than they actually are. They're human beings. QBs should reasonably be expected to sidestep some rushers every now and then.

Odell has one TD in six games? I'm sure he feels with adequate QB play he'd be in the end zone every week, like he was earlier in his career with an effective Eli. You saw Shurmur cursing Eli out on the sidelines last night. Top to bottom, I think the frustration over his ineffectiveness is starting to boil over and really affect the whole team. All the booing last night shows the fans are even starting to turn on the QB. It's heartbreaking to see, but Eli will be the fall guy for this.

In comment 14123589 BBelle21 said:

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I don’t think it’s about Eli at all, but I do think his time here is finished. It would be best for both to part ways now. The makeup of the team is no longer a fit with their QB. Fans and media are rabid throwing unneeded insults at him, even Odell taking these passive aggressive shots at the entire team and coaches. It’s stomach turning to see this great Giant get kicked to the ground and have everyone come in for their turn. In addition, I see the entire team still fighting and just getting their hearts broken every week. I wouldn’t be surprised if many on the team felt they were failing Eli, not quitting on him.

Their hearts broken every week? The Giants have developed a very nasty weekly pattern this season:

Jax played respectably
Dallas played like shit
Houston played respectably
New Orleans played like shit
Carolina played respectably
Eagle played like shit

Eli will not make it past his roster bonus, and there will be a different QB starter to begin next season.

for his lack of TD production, he should look squarely at an Oline that gets dominanted by 4-man fronts such that defenses have so many guys in coverage.

and he still lived in the end zone, so he's not gonna buy that theory. He knows his QB is toast.

if he played behind this line. Brady can't run either.

The offensive line doesn't create any holes to run through and offers disastrous-to-sometimes below average pass protection against the minimum amount of commitment from the defense to rush the QB.

A mobile QB would be better, obviously. But only exceptionally mobile QBs could play well behind this line.

Everyone brings up Russell Wilson, which is insanity. Of course Russell Wilson can perform better behind a horrific offensive line. He's one of the best at scrambling while keeping his eyes down the field that that the league has ever seen.

He played in Coughlin’s offense. I remember him complaint about Coughlin too. Teams are also not allowing him to beat them. Combine that with poor protection. Odell needs to look at himself before anyone else.

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He played in Coughlin’s offense. I remember him complaint about Coughlin too. Teams are also not allowing him to beat them. Combine that with poor protection. Odell needs to look at himself before anyone else.

Please point us to the quotes of Odell complaining about Coughlins offense while totaling 187 catches, 2755 yards and 25 tds.

You're making stuff up.

Do you follow the Giants? Odell complained about how hard Coughlin was on him, and not really understanding it. Dont tell me I’m making things up, I don’t do that.