...but after last night's season-ending debacle, I read the following from bceagle05, and I'm afraid he is on to something that is staring us all in the face:
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"Pains me to say it but I think the team has quit on Eli. The offensive line sucks, but I'm sure they feel Eli makes them look worse than they are. Skill position guys probably feel the same way, and the defense knows it's hopeless, too. Everyone knows they should've moved on from him."
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How else to explain the inexplicable? In a do-or-die game AT HOME against the hated Eagles, with everything on the line, the Giants raised the white flag very early last night. Last year -- without OBJ and Saquon -- the Giants were at least competitive against a better Eagles team.
Early this morning, Eric at BBI wrote, "We can bitch and moan about the talent level all you want, but this team should not be this uncompetitive."
I think bceagle05 provides an explanation that can no longer be ignored.
At this point I think Lauletta would energize the team if nothing else.
At this point I think Lauletta would energize the team if nothing else.
Lauletta would have his confidence completely destroyed in a couple of games playing behind that awful line.
They want a modern QB who can make plays.
Only one guy currently on the roster won a championship with Eli and that's the long snapper. All of the guys who reached the mountaintop with Eli and would run into hellfire with him are sitting at home watching the game and tweeting. The only guy on the roster who's played with "elite Eli" is so frustrated by their current lack of production that he's losing his mind.
It's certainly not all Eli's fault, but like many others have said, yesterday was the end of the Eli Manning era even if he continues to start games in 2018.
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who believes the lockerroom rumors 100%, I agree and I thought we saw that from OBJ last night.
At this point I think Lauletta would energize the team if nothing else.
Lauletta would have his confidence completely destroyed in a couple of games playing behind that awful line.
Awesome...so let's keep trotting old #10 out there.
There has been since 2015. One constant some do not want to realize.
You are a human stain.
NO doubt about that, the defense game out at halftime looking like it didn't care. I doubt the problem is Eli. My bet is on Dehydration Boy. Signing him to that huge contract may turn out to be a blunder for the ages.
Did you see him on the side line banging his head on stuff? This is not normal behavior.
NO doubt about that, the defense game out at halftime looking like it didn't care. I doubt the problem is Eli. My bet is on Dehydration Boy. Signing him to that huge contract may turn out to be a blunder for the ages.
Did you see him on the side line banging his head on stuff? This is not normal behavior.
"Dehydration boy"? He was thrown 3 passes beyond the first down marker and 2 were horribly inaccurate. Is it Beckham's fault Eli threw a terrible INT on the second play of the game?
I guess everyone needs a scapegoat.
But he just can't function behind the OL's he's had the last few seasons......and the front office could not see this? There is no doubt, the hits, and lack of confidence in his OL, have affected him...
This has to be the worst OL in the NFL....WE paid big bucks for Solder, and he is looking less than average every game.... a rookie playing like a rookie....and the other three are just bad....
The problem is, this OL breaks down at every position...Eli has no idea where the next hit will be coming from...and if you are looking for your next hit, instead of looking downfield, how the hell can you accomplish anything?
15 straight failures on 3rd down.....another game with no td passes.....another fumble on a sack.....another int on a badly thrown ball....another game where we couldn't score 20 points....that's 10 out of the last 13 games.....
Sadly, it looks like the end of an era for Eli Manning.....
I think he could help a team be a winner but they would have to put him behind a great offensive line.
But he just can't function behind the OL's he's had the last few seasons......and the front office could not see this? There is no doubt, the hits, and lack of confidence in his OL, have affected him...
This has to be the worst OL in the NFL....WE paid big bucks for Solder, and he is looking less than average every game.... a rookie playing like a rookie....and the other three are just bad....
The problem is, this OL breaks down at every position...Eli has no idea where the next hit will be coming from...and if you are looking for your next hit, instead of looking downfield, how the hell can you accomplish anything?
15 straight failures on 3rd down.....another game with no td passes.....another fumble on a sack.....another int on a badly thrown ball....another game where we couldn't score 20 points....that's 10 out of the last 13 games.....
Sadly, it looks like the end of an era for Eli Manning.....
This sums up my feelings.
The excuses need to stop.
The excuses need to stop.
What is the one major difference between Wilson and Eli?
It would be risky but the owners need to dump the GM and get someone in tune with the new NFL. Giving him credit for a good draft is ridiculous when he was sitting at No. 2. Look at the free agent decisions, the anointing of Manning immediately despite years of decline and the OL he put together. This guy is the definition of average, as is his coach.
As to Eli, AGAIN, there is nothing physically wrong with the guy. I’ll repeat what I’ve said over and over during the offseason: My only concern about Eli is PTSD from years of abuse.
If they want to go to Lauletta, I would think 8 games (after the bye) would be a decent indicator (but far from definitive) of whether or not he’s our future. I’d rather get a stud for the OL than pick a name college QB if KL could be the guy
As to Eli, AGAIN, there is nothing physically wrong with the guy. I’ll repeat what I’ve said over and over during the offseason: My only concern about Eli is PTSD from years of abuse.
If they want to go to Lauletta, I would think 8 games (after the bye) would be a decent indicator (but far from definitive) of whether or not he’s our future. I’d rather get a stud for the OL than pick a name college QB if KL could be the guy
I hear ya and for the most part agree but to say his arm is the same would not be accurate. His short comings LONG ball strength and accuracy when hurried are magnified now that he is in is late 30's. Eli has not been a GREAT QB for years and now isn't even a good QB. Yes, the Oline is a problem but damnit, we can't say you need to keep people from even getting close to him in order for him to play well.
The first interception was all on Eli. The LB was right there to the TE's right shoulder (with the TE facing Eli) and instead of Eli throwing the ball to his chest or left shoulder he throws it to the right shoulder exactly where the LB is. I know, we will blame the route on the TE etc. but this isn't a timing route, the TE was facing ELI. It is a bad throw and a horrible way to start the game.
Well, I see your point, and it’s a fair point. But I think what people are saying is that if we had Mahomes or Wilson or Watson or Rodgers back there that those are the kinds of QBs that could at least move around and make it interesting.
Bullshit, they all get paid as pros. If you pack it in that is on you as a player and a critical failure as a HC.
This team sucks, every single part of it. Eli can no longer get it done, but that is no reason for players to quit. The Giants are rock bottom now and it will take a lot to rebuild.
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Because there is no accountability at the QB spot. They saw it last year. They see it now.
Bullshit, they all get paid as pros. If you pack it in that is on you as a player and a critical failure as a HC.
This team sucks, every single part of it. Eli can no longer get it done, but that is no reason for players to quit. The Giants are rock bottom now and it will take a lot to rebuild.
They see through the bullshit and now their season is being wasted. Right or wrong, I can’t blame them.
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who believes the lockerroom rumors 100%, I agree and I thought we saw that from OBJ last night.
At this point I think Lauletta would energize the team if nothing else.
Lauletta would have his confidence completely destroyed in a couple of games playing behind that awful line.
Thats ok.. If he is going to lose his confidence that easily then we can just move on from him and draft a QB with our number 1 pick.. its not like we have to baby him.. we didn't baby Eli back in 2004 either..
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A statue back there. And he’s calling out the protections. He’s done folks
You are a human stain.
Truth hurts
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It is becoming clear that the culture is not what it should be, but as to that concern, let’s see if it worsens or improves the next 10 games.
With due respect, do you not look to your leaders to help establish that culture? The things we saw last year and continuing into this year --under new staff-- would never have been tolerated by the likes of Carl Banks and the '80's team. Where is leadership applied to Odell, the Oline and D secondary guys last year, the effort we saw last night?
BB, I agree that he is shellshocked and have been saying it for some time. However, I will disagree that physically he has some issues that kill an offense in the modern game: first, lack of mobility and the ability to extend plays, and second his accuracy (average at best) has gotten worse as the years have gone on.
That decision was reversed, not for football reasons, but because of the backlash from the fans and the media. The coach and the gm were then fired (rightly so, but for other reasons) and ownership tried to plead ignorance. The new gm and coach were hired either explicitly or implicitly under the condition that they accept Eli as the starting quarterback.
That should tell you everything you need to know about the thought process going on in the organization that lead to Eli being brought back this season. He was not brought back out of a conviction that he could still play. He was brought back for public relations reasons. And here we are now ... completely lost.
That decision was reversed, not for football reasons, but because of the backlash from the fans and the media. The coach and the gm were then fired (rightly so, but for other reasons) and ownership tried to plead ignorance. The new gm and coach were hired either explicitly or implicitly under the condition that they accept Eli as the starting quarterback.
That should tell you everything you need to know about the thought process going on in the organization that lead to Eli being brought back this season. He was not brought back out of a conviction that he could still play. He was brought back for public relations reasons. And here we are now ... completely lost.
The problem was the messengers and the replacement. If they had said "We're going to give Davis Webb some looks, it's time," there wouldn't have been a backlash. But fans did not want Geno Smith, a garbage player from the Jets. And dumb-ass McAdoo botched the messaging and the Maras let him twist in the wind.
As to Eli, AGAIN, there is nothing physically wrong with the guy. I’ll repeat what I’ve said over and over during the offseason: My only concern about Eli is PTSD from years of abuse.
If they want to go to Lauletta, I would think 8 games (after the bye) would be a decent indicator (but far from definitive) of whether or not he’s our future. I’d rather get a stud for the OL than pick a name college QB if KL could be the guy
Oh come on. It’s painfully clear (even dep has come to the realization) that Eli is now a very limited QB. He’s not starter material anymore folks. The rationalizations are starting to become so paper thin and stale it’s provoking rage on this site from both sides.
The locker room is going to turn on Eli and then tune out for the rest of the year unless this magically turns around, which it likely won’t.
Come on. We all see it. I’m sad about Eli. This is not what I want to see, but stubbornness is one of his traits that served him well when he was in his prime, now it’s just prolonging the pain for him and us of what most superstars experience which is a downfall and decline.
Not everybody gets to go out like Elway and a Strahan.
If he's a quiet lead by example type of guy (like Snacks) he isn't the leader.
In fact, if you go back through time Eli has always needed more leadership, whether it be Strahan, Osi, Tuck, JPP, Rolle - there has always been people implored to step up as leaders during rudderless ship times.
I'm fine that he's not a rah-rah guy, but he's not leading anyone anywhere anymore, and hasn't for a long time.
I also do not care for the "he can still play under the right circumstances" argument. There isn't a '95 Cowboys anywhere. It's a different game and not even one that's particularly appealing, as Aikman said numerous times last night. The NFL quality of play is pretty much gone.
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A statue back there. And he’s calling out the protections. He’s done folks
You are a human stain.
Truth hurts
What hurts is your lack of knowledge, even simple knowledge about the game. Your information about football seems to have derived from video games which you consider suitable to spread your knowledge like an STD
I would agree, by the time they are 2-10 or 3-9,
let Lauletta play the last quarter of the season.
That was the mistake they made last year, playing Geno
instead of Webb. I think the Giants need to eat the
6.2 mill. in dead money and move on from Eli after the season already.
It's obvious he can't help this team anymore, regardless of what some might think. He is a skitterish QB now.
The way they are going this year, looks like a top 5 pick is certainly doable yet again.
Oh come on. It’s painfully clear (even dep has come to the realization) that Eli is now a very limited QB. He’s not starter material anymore folks. The rationalizations are starting to become so paper thin and stale it’s provoking rage on this site from both sides.
The locker room is going to turn on Eli and then tune out for the rest of the year unless this magically turns around, which it likely won’t.
Come on. We all see it. I’m sad about Eli. This is not what I want to see, but stubbornness is one of his traits that served him well when he was in his prime, now it’s just prolonging the pain for him and us of what most superstars experience which is a downfall and decline.
Not everybody gets to go out like Elway and a Strahan.
I completely agree with all of this.
There is a $5M bonus due to him the 5th day of the league year. Should be interesting.
As to Eli, AGAIN, there is nothing physically wrong with the guy. I’ll repeat what I’ve said over and over during the offseason: My only concern about Eli is PTSD from years of abuse.
If they want to go to Lauletta, I would think 8 games (after the bye) would be a decent indicator (but far from definitive) of whether or not he’s our future. I’d rather get a stud for the OL than pick a name college QB if KL could be the guy
I love your optimism and I agree with your PTSD or as I call it David Carr Syndrome.
But I have to disagree with you on Eli's physical abilities.
He was never going to win a race but his pocket mobility was very good at one point. Not Tom Brady, but very good. Right now, the guy is a traffic cone back there. He cant move and when he gets touched he folds like a cheap suit.
I think his arm still has lots of throws but he cant move AT ALL and behind unless conditions are perfect for him, it will not be a good play.
see this is hilarious to me, everyone knew he was done but those same people cried bloody murder when they benched him last year..
I just think it's human nature (in the game of professional football) more than it's a character flaw. Look at the Denver Broncos under their current head coach. With all of the talent they have on defense, they've had quite a few "check out" games since the start of 2017. It would be great if everyone gave 100% regardless of circumstances, but it's unlikely.
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to move on from Eli Manning. It was a decision that the coach and the gm wanted and ownership was on board with.
That decision was reversed, not for football reasons, but because of the backlash from the fans and the media. The coach and the gm were then fired (rightly so, but for other reasons) and ownership tried to plead ignorance. The new gm and coach were hired either explicitly or implicitly under the condition that they accept Eli as the starting quarterback.
That should tell you everything you need to know about the thought process going on in the organization that lead to Eli being brought back this season. He was not brought back out of a conviction that he could still play. He was brought back for public relations reasons. And here we are now ... completely lost.
The problem was the messengers and the replacement. If they had said "We're going to give Davis Webb some looks, it's time," there wouldn't have been a backlash. But fans did not want Geno Smith, a garbage player from the Jets. And dumb-ass McAdoo botched the messaging and the Maras let him twist in the wind.
It probably could have been handled better. But it was always going to be ugly because Eli is beloved and the organization, being 2-10 at that point with a coach and gm having their own serious warts, wasn't exactly in a position of strength with the fanbase.
At the time, the move to Geno Smith seemed extremely stupid and pointless, even for people like me who were ready to move on from Eli. However, knowing what we know now about Davis Webb, even the decision to go to Geno Smith seems more defensible in retrospect as he was apparently the only other professional quarterback on the roster.
My real anger is not with the fans who love Eli and rightly saw a lot of other problems on the roster. My real anger is with the media and people in the NFL who almost unanimously rushed to Eli's defense last year and legitimized and fueled the anger of the fanbase. Now those same media and NFL types, not even a year later, are almost all saying Eli is done. Are we really supposed to believe now that Eli has lost it in the last 10 months? Come on. They all knew he was done last year, but it was a pile on because Eli is well-liked and well-respected in the league and Reese and McAdoo were easy targets. This whole last 12 months have been about public relations for everyone. Not football.
Other than the one series where OV/Martin took over, they generated very little pass rush. With today’s rules setup the way they are, you have to do that to win. We don’t have the horses right now on that side of the ball.