Eli Manning: I've never re-posted someone else's comments...

Phil Simmms was shown the door at the end, it's not always
pretty at the end. Eli is appreciated for what he did in the past, but that's just it, it's in the PAST.

..the team, or the offense, has given up on Eli, particularly after a game versus Carolina where he led them back (provided it was surely a team effort).

I think yesterday, the Giants were a tired football team, plain and simple, and got beat up by a better defensive front.

Manning can still play in the league, but not with this type of offensive line. It's just not a match....at least it wasn't last night.

In comment 14123360 BillKo said:

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..the team, or the offense, has given up on Eli, particularly after a game versus Carolina where he led them back (provided it was surely a team effort). I think yesterday, the Giants were a tired football team, plain and simple, and got beat up by a better defensive front. Manning can still play in the league, but not with this type of offensive line. It's just not a match....at least it wasn't last night.

eli needs a brick wall

In comment 14123300 mittenedman said:

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Eli's a family man who's signed up for $17M next year. He's not going to walk away from that. Someone's going to have to ask him to leave. There is a $5M bonus due to him the 5th day of the league year. Should be interesting.

Sad to say... but that will be Eli Manning's last day as a Giant.

In comment 14123322 eugibs said:

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They all knew he was done last year, but it was a pile on because Eli is well-liked and well-respected in the league and Reese and McAdoo were easy targets. This whole last 12 months have been about public relations for everyone. Not football.

Great point. The media was ready for years to get Reese and McAdoo was easy. At the same time, I love Pat Hanlon, but the communications efforts out of E. Rutherford have been bad for the last year and a half.

In comment 14123365 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14123360 BillKo said: Quote: ..the team, or the offense, has given up on Eli, particularly after a game versus Carolina where he led them back (provided it was surely a team effort). I think yesterday, the Giants were a tired football team, plain and simple, and got beat up by a better defensive front. Manning can still play in the league, but not with this type of offensive line. It's just not a match....at least it wasn't last night. eli needs a brick wall

Well, he doesn't need a brick wall. He actually move around find in Carolina, even Bob Papa and Banks commented on that.

If you had a mobile QB, you would have seen him flushed out of the pocket consistently last night. Maybe some plays would have been made.......some not.

The way I look at it. We got the best player - right now it looks - in the draft.

A QB will be the pick next year, as we'll probably be at or near the top of the draft.

that Eli is in decline. This is the nicest way I can say it. He is becoming the reason we aren't winning games far too often. I have the feeling that management has a plan. If we shit the bed this season, so be it. There are pieces in place. We can end up with a great draft pick again in 2019 and it looks like there are some very good QB's that will be available. Seems like a real "trust the process" type of plan.

In comment 14123128 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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that was every bit as bad as what we see from the Giants now. He led the NFL in TD passes anyway. The excuses need to stop.

I agree on the Eli is done theory, but to compare him to Russell Wilson is silly, the guy makes most of his plays outside the pocket!

You don t see a difference in Eli s arm?

Wow

I don’t think it’s about Eli at all, but I do think his time here is finished. It would be best for both to part ways now. The makeup of the team is no longer a fit with their QB. Fans and media are rabid throwing unneeded insults at him, even Odell taking these passive aggressive shots at the entire team and coaches.

It’s stomach turning to see this great Giant get kicked to the ground and have everyone come in for their turn. In addition, I see the entire team still fighting and just getting their hearts broken every week. I wouldn’t be surprised if many on the team felt they were failing Eli, not quitting on him.

says it all:

"He was the first read and it looked like the LB was fading back."

The guy is just too damn mechanical. This his how Chip Kelly so thoroughly dismantled him when he coached PHI. Eli is like a computer algorithm and once you figure out what his reads are you can completely crash his hard drive.

He had the best player in the league - Barkley - wide open for a quick swing pass but no....Simonson is his first read and he was "open". Same as the D dropped so I'm checking it down. Eli cannot, or will not, break free from the X's and O's and DC's have figured out how to destroy him.

In comment 14123546 gmenatlarge said:

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I agree on the Eli is done theory, but to compare him to Russell Wilson is silly, the guy makes most of his plays outside the pocket!

The question was whether anyone could function behind a bad offensive line. I gave an example of a guy who did. Obviously, not everyone is Russell Wilson.

My issue is I think the o-line stinks AND Eli is not capable of being a good NFL QB at this point in his career because he's too inconsistent week to week and even throw to throw. He threw a back-breaking INT 30 seconds into yesterday's game that had absolutely nothing to do with the offensive line.

The offensive line has been as dogshit this year as they were last year. So when did this quitting on Eli happen? Every single guy on the offensive line is different from last season-- so they couldn't have quit on him last season.

Game 1? Game 2? 3? 4? 5? middle of last night? When was the quitting on Eli?

Nate Solder is a high-character, veteran guy. He's quitting on his new team where he was brought in to be a leader of the line?

Will Hernandez is a rookie trying to learn the ropes of the NFL. When did he quit on the team with a vote of no confidence in a 2-time Super Bowl MVP QB?

John Greco was a JAG starter for several years, went on IR in 2016, didn't start a single game in 2017, and finally got a chance to be a starter again because Halapio got hurt. So when did Greco, who is on a one-year deal at the vet minimum decide to not play hard and compromise his chance to play next year just to quit on the QB?


Patrick Omameh is on his 5th team in 6 seasons. He just signed a decent deal with the Giants, but has not had a lasting impact anywhere to show that he's a guy a team wants to stick with. When did he decide to make himself look bad because he wanted to quit on the QB?

Chad Wheeler is an undrafted player in his second season who just got his chance to start a few games ago because the team moved on from their highly-drafted bust Flowers. So when did Wheeler, who has EVERYTHING to prove, decide to suck on purpose because he quit on the QB?

Regarding Paul's point, I'm not saying the OL quit on him in the sense they're not gonna go out there and compete for him, but there must be frustration knowing his immobility makes them look worse than they actually are. They're human beings. QBs should reasonably be expected to sidestep some rushers every now and then.

Odell has one TD in six games? I'm sure he feels with adequate QB play he'd be in the end zone every week, like he was earlier in his career with an effective Eli. You saw Shurmur cursing Eli out on the sidelines last night. Top to bottom, I think the frustration over his ineffectiveness is starting to boil over and really affect the whole team. All the booing last night shows the fans are even starting to turn on the QB. It's heartbreaking to see, but Eli will be the fall guy for this.

In comment 14123589 BBelle21 said:

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I don’t think it’s about Eli at all, but I do think his time here is finished. It would be best for both to part ways now. The makeup of the team is no longer a fit with their QB. Fans and media are rabid throwing unneeded insults at him, even Odell taking these passive aggressive shots at the entire team and coaches. It’s stomach turning to see this great Giant get kicked to the ground and have everyone come in for their turn. In addition, I see the entire team still fighting and just getting their hearts broken every week. I wouldn’t be surprised if many on the team felt they were failing Eli, not quitting on him.

Their hearts broken every week? The Giants have developed a very nasty weekly pattern this season:

Jax played respectably
Dallas played like shit
Houston played respectably
New Orleans played like shit
Carolina played respectably
Eagle played like shit

Eli will not make it past his roster bonus, and there will be a different QB starter to begin next season.

for his lack of TD production, he should look squarely at an Oline that gets dominanted by 4-man fronts such that defenses have so many guys in coverage.

and he still lived in the end zone, so he's not gonna buy that theory. He knows his QB is toast.

if he played behind this line. Brady can't run either.

The offensive line doesn't create any holes to run through and offers disastrous-to-sometimes below average pass protection against the minimum amount of commitment from the defense to rush the QB.

A mobile QB would be better, obviously. But only exceptionally mobile QBs could play well behind this line.

Everyone brings up Russell Wilson, which is insanity. Of course Russell Wilson can perform better behind a horrific offensive line. He's one of the best at scrambling while keeping his eyes down the field that that the league has ever seen.

He played in Coughlin’s offense. I remember him complaint about Coughlin too. Teams are also not allowing him to beat them. Combine that with poor protection. Odell needs to look at himself before anyone else.

In comment 14123906 BBelle21 said:

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He played in Coughlin’s offense. I remember him complaint about Coughlin too. Teams are also not allowing him to beat them. Combine that with poor protection. Odell needs to look at himself before anyone else.

Please point us to the quotes of Odell complaining about Coughlins offense while totaling 187 catches, 2755 yards and 25 tds.

You're making stuff up.

Do you follow the Giants? Odell complained about how hard Coughlin was on him, and not really understanding it. Dont tell me I’m making things up, I don’t do that.