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Eli is done.

Britt in VA : 10/12/2018 8:13 am
He can still play, IMO, but he can no longer help this team win football games.

So go ahead, replace him. But be prepared that replacing Eli is not going to fix this mess. Just like simply firing Coughlin didn't solve anything. Those six and seven win seasons that ended his tenure don't even look so bad anymore in comparison.

Aside from Barkley, this is not a very likable team for me. Very unlikable. Looked like a bunch of quitters to me.

Hell, maybe the NFL is becoming an unlikable game/league. I'm unsure. The game has evolved and Eli and those like him are like him are dinosaurs. You've got to run in this league now. It is a spread offense league. You gotta be able to run around and throw 3 plus TD's every week. The chess matches are over. Score, score, score.

So bash away. Call me a fanboy, an apologist, whatever.
You got your wish. Eli is done here, no more need to get your pitchforks and run the guy out of town. I'm just going to take the rest of the season and mourn the passing of a golden era of Giants football in Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning. Welcome to the Odell Beckham leadership era.

It's a big "meh" from me.
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Sorry  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2018 9:25 am : link
Somewhere, Eli knows he has loyal fans like you. He has had a storybook career and made a fuckton of money, has a great family. I like your post, it captures my feelings perfectly, I share your sorrow.
The question about if he could play under better circumstances  
UberAlias : 10/12/2018 9:27 am : link
Is immaterial. I think he could, but this team is too far away from that and with his age he is not the long term solution. So maybe that all comes together for a year, then what? We've been bad for years. We need to rebuild towards something that can provide sustained success.
RE: RE: No team  
Danny Kanell : 10/12/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 14123447 WillVAB said:
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is bringing in Eli after this year. He’s turning 38 in January and is not starter material for even a marginal team. Brady and Brees are not fair markers to compare and assume for Eli to be the same.

This is a very ugly end of his career.



I actually think he could play well in Dallas behind a healthy version of their OL.


This post made me throw up in my mouth.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Bitching about Odell Beckham isn't intelligent either.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 14123265 jvm52106 said:
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Well, I will say this, if Odell were on another team (pick anyone doesn't matter) and he pulled the antics that we have seen the last few years, we as a collective BBI would be roasting him here ala Moss, Owens etc.. Why do we ignore behaviors because he plays for us?


What antics? Are we really comparing him to Terrell Owens? For more than 70% of Odell's career, the defense has been an abomination. The o-line has been an embarrassment. Now the QB is washed up, but the problem is "behaviors"?

I guess it's just easier to focus on scapegoats and things that aren't really important than it is on those other things because those are much more difficult issues and take longer to solve.
Folks may not want to hear it, but hopefully Eli comes  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2018 9:29 am : link
to the realization that he can't get it done anymore and its better off for the franchise if he just retire at end of the year. Versus clinging on and everybody wasting more time/seasons.

While nobody wants to leave on a downward trend, it would be the best for all.

And he could leave with class just as he has always acted as a player and teammate...
RE: nobody is happy Eli is done  
Section331 : 10/12/2018 9:31 am : link
In comment 14123193 hitdog42 said:
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he was done a few years ago.
a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m
Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.


This.
Tank  
Harvest Blend : 10/12/2018 9:31 am : link
city. 1-15 or bust.
RE: RE: RE: No team  
WillVAB : 10/12/2018 9:50 am : link
In comment 14123496 Danny Kanell said:
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is bringing in Eli after this year. He’s turning 38 in January and is not starter material for even a marginal team. Brady and Brees are not fair markers to compare and assume for Eli to be the same.

This is a very ugly end of his career.



I actually think he could play well in Dallas behind a healthy version of their OL.



This post made me throw up in my mouth.


Actually makes some sense. Prescott sucks. Eli would give them a bridge to the next guy without being forced to back up the truck for Prescott. Great OL when healthy, good running game.
RE: You know what will happen in the next couple of years...  
smshmth8690 : 10/12/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 14123203 SHO'NUFF said:
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we'll get a new QB... but at the same time, we'll draft/sign some decent linemen and get rid of trash like Omameh... then our offense will be humming along with the new QB and people will use this to justify blaming Eli as the main problem all these years.


Eli getting the blame would suck, but as a fan I'll take it.
My thoughts and feelings about Eli Manning  
Beezer : 10/12/2018 9:55 am : link
have pretty much coincided with yours, Britt.

Last night, it was as if a proclamation had been read at mid-field. This is it. That was great, but it's time to move forward. With appreciation. Sadly.
i think eli  
japanhead : 10/12/2018 10:05 am : link
will retire at the end of the year.. he's said multiple times he's always wanted to finish his career where he started it.. he's got to be able to see that he's not the answer anymore.. i love him and have defended him through even last year, but he was embarrassingly bad last night and completely cooked.. most of his non-checkdown passes were terribly inaccurate. the INT was terrible.
RE: RE: The fans that are going  
crick n NC : 10/12/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 14123333 Jimmy Googs said:
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To be the most sore are the ones that dismiss how really awful the OL is, while thinking replacing the qb with a young scrambling qb will immediately make this offense consistent.



And for some reason you know it won't? Take immediate out of it as fans want to see better at some point...


Jimmy this OL is really bad. I don't know for fact of course not. But what do your eyes tell you about the OL? Consistency with this OL more than likely won't happen. A mobile qb will make more things happen, but blindside pressure is blindside pressure. Manning isn't getting it done, but a lot has to Chang with this line in terms of simple man on man execution for this offense to ha've consistency.
I agree with the entire post  
bradshaw44 : 10/12/2018 11:06 am : link
And have been saying this exact thing for 3 or so weeks. It’s over for him here, and probably the NFL. The league is young, fast and very little defense. I too am questioning weather or not the league is moving in a direction I want to follow. It’s beginning to feel like arena football. And I already don’t watch arena football.
Who gives a shit  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/12/2018 11:08 am : link
We all knew this before the season started. The problem is that the leadership of the Giants, Mara, DG, Shurmur was as deluded as you were. That’s why we’re here. No present, murky future.
Bortles needs to tear an ACL or achilles...  
Milton : 10/12/2018 11:11 am : link
The Giants then trade Eli to Jacksonville and everyone goes home happy.
RE: RE: RE: The fans that are going  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 14123910 crick n NC said:
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To be the most sore are the ones that dismiss how really awful the OL is, while thinking replacing the qb with a young scrambling qb will immediately make this offense consistent.



And for some reason you know it won't? Take immediate out of it as fans want to see better at some point...



Jimmy this OL is really bad. I don't know for fact of course not. But what do your eyes tell you about the OL? Consistency with this OL more than likely won't happen. A mobile qb will make more things happen, but blindside pressure is blindside pressure. Manning isn't getting it done, but a lot has to Chang with this line in terms of simple man on man execution for this offense to ha've consistency.


Yes, OL is bad and we have to change the guy under center. And until we do the latter we are wasting time...
We have had our battles over the past year Britt..  
NYG07 : 10/12/2018 12:13 pm : link
I am not here to pile on Eli or say I told you so. Eli will always be a legend in NY. It does suck that it has to end like this. Here is to the future and a new era, one that we can all collectively be behind.
RE: RE: nobody is happy Eli is done  
jcn56 : 10/12/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14123507 Section331 said:
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he was done a few years ago.
a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m
Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.



This.


Another +1.

Nobody wanted to end up here, but let's face it - for all but a very small population of players, the end usually isn't pretty.
He's going to retire  
Giants in 07 : 10/12/2018 12:20 pm : link
Or at least I hope he does.
Put the drafting a RB thing aside,  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/12/2018 12:25 pm : link
and quite a few people here were very excited about the direction of the team with DG and the many moves he made in the offseason. It's not the fans fault that those moves didn't work out and this was all a big mistake. This was the direction a bunch of people wanted this past offseason, and they got it.
RE: i think eli  
mittenedman : 10/12/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14123662 japanhead said:
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will retire at the end of the year.. he's said multiple times he's always wanted to finish his career where he started it.. he's got to be able to see that he's not the answer anymore.. i love him and have defended him through even last year, but he was embarrassingly bad last night and completely cooked.. most of his non-checkdown passes were terribly inaccurate. the INT was terrible.



He changed that tune pretty quickly and, like TC, basically gave the Giants an FU last year and said he’d keep playing elsewhere.
RE: Folks may not want to hear it, but hopefully Eli comes  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2018 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14123501 Jimmy Googs said:
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to the realization that he can't get it done anymore and its better off for the franchise if he just retire at end of the year. Versus clinging on and everybody wasting more time/seasons.

While nobody wants to leave on a downward trend, it would be the best for all.

And he could leave with class just as he has always acted as a player and teammate...
I think he should retire right now. I do not not want to watch have to answer these questions every week. I can't stomach to see him go out like this. Every pregame, every broadcast is going everyone pile on Eli. Him and his brother should get some investors and buy a franchise. Between the 2 of them they earned 1/2 billion in salary, never mind endorsement deals and investments. He don't need this shit, imagine if he gets his back broken now? For what? Go take care your family Eli, you have given us everything.
This OP reads like a pre-teen girl running off to her room to pout.  
Cam in MO : 10/12/2018 1:24 pm : link
“Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”)

The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals.


all I can think to say is  
LG in NYC : 10/12/2018 1:33 pm : link
"welcome to the party".

the rest of us have been here a while, so there's not much beer left.
RE: RE: Folks may not want to hear it, but hopefully Eli comes  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14124373 Thegratefulhead said:
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to the realization that he can't get it done anymore and its better off for the franchise if he just retire at end of the year. Versus clinging on and everybody wasting more time/seasons.

While nobody wants to leave on a downward trend, it would be the best for all.

And he could leave with class just as he has always acted as a player and teammate...

I think he should retire right now. I do not not want to watch have to answer these questions every week. I can't stomach to see him go out like this. Every pregame, every broadcast is going everyone pile on Eli. Him and his brother should get some investors and buy a franchise. Between the 2 of them they earned 1/2 billion in salary, never mind endorsement deals and investments. He don't need this shit, imagine if he gets his back broken now? For what? Go take care your family Eli, you have given us everything.


Don’t be such a drama queen. If it bothers u so much skip the pregame
RE: This OP reads like a pre-teen girl running off to her room to pout.  
ajr2456 : 10/12/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14124654 Cam in MO said:
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“Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”)

The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals.



Right? Just three weeks ago he was making threads about how Eli could still sling the ball and calling out the haters about how he was right.
RE: RE: This OP reads like a pre-teen girl running off to her room to pout.  
Default : 10/12/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14124707 ajr2456 said:
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“Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”)

The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals.





Right? Just three weeks ago he was making threads about how Eli could still sling the ball and calling out the haters about how he was right.


And he will again...
Eli is losing games  
blue1986 : 10/12/2018 3:03 pm : link
You can't fumble as much as much as he has, throw an interception in your own territory. That's was 14 pts to start the game for the other team. He has got to find a way to hold on to the ball and throw with better accuracy. This has been his history fumbling and throwing interceptions at the worst times of games.
Why do people hope he retires?  
Bill L : 10/12/2018 3:12 pm : link
It looks as much of a bad fit as it does someone in his declining years. He could go someplace with a good fit and be very successful. Why would you not want him to do that?
RE: RE: RE: This OP reads like a pre-teen girl running off to her room to pout.  
Jim in Tampa : 10/12/2018 3:15 pm : link
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“Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”)

The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals.





Right? Just three weeks ago he was making threads about how Eli could still sling the ball and calling out the haters about how he was right.



And he will again...


Yes. And he was also saying he couldn't wait for THEM (those Eli haters) to EAT SHIT.

Even Britt's "Eli is Done" thread is really just another defense of Eli and how it's really the fault of all the other players.
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Bill L : 10/12/2018 3:16 pm : link
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“Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”)

The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals.





Right? Just three weeks ago he was making threads about how Eli could still sling the ball and calling out the haters about how he was right.



And he will again...



Yes. And he was also saying he couldn't wait for THEM (those Eli haters) to EAT SHIT.

Even Britt's "Eli is Done" thread is really just another defense of Eli and how it's really the fault of all the other players.


Well at least for the penultimate part, he's not really wrong.
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Dave in Hoboken : 10/12/2018 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14125026 Jim in Tampa said:
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“Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”)

The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals.





Right? Just three weeks ago he was making threads about how Eli could still sling the ball and calling out the haters about how he was right.



And he will again...



Yes. And he was also saying he couldn't wait for THEM (those Eli haters) to EAT SHIT.

Even Britt's "Eli is Done" thread is really just another defense of Eli and how it's really the fault of all the other players.


If that's the case, once again, wrong.
It's not just Eli  
arniefez : 10/12/2018 3:18 pm : link
The Giants posted a Pass Block Win Rate (PBWR) of only 5% last night. That's the lowest single-game performance so far this season. Compare that to the Eagles' PBWR of 68% last night. The Giants are now ranked 31st in the league overall with a PBWR of 33%. The Eagles rank 16th at 50%, which is average. PBWR is an ESPN metric powered by Next Gen Stats.
RE: Why do people hope he retires?  
ajr2456 : 10/12/2018 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14125019 Bill L said:
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It looks as much of a bad fit as it does someone in his declining years. He could go someplace with a good fit and be very successful. Why would you not want him to do that?


No team is taking Eli Manning.
Yeah okay  
Bill L : 10/12/2018 3:47 pm : link
suck up to bortles. I don't care.
RE: RE: Why do people hope he retires?  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/12/2018 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14125142 ajr2456 said:
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It looks as much of a bad fit as it does someone in his declining years. He could go someplace with a good fit and be very successful. Why would you not want him to do that?



No team is taking Eli Manning.


Remember when people thought TC would coach after the Giants?
We're  
crick n NC : 10/12/2018 3:50 pm : link
All wrong from time to time. I remember towards the end of last year everyone knew the Giants would draft a qb.
Or thought they should have and wanted them to.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/12/2018 3:51 pm : link
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RE: Yeah okay  
jcn56 : 10/12/2018 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14125147 Bill L said:
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suck up to bortles. I don't care.


I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I'm not sure that line would be able to pass block for Eli. I've seen a few Jaguars games, and Bortles has to avoid pressure more often than you'd think.
Perhaps  
crick n NC : 10/12/2018 3:54 pm : link
Their wording wasn't accurate. It was talked about as a fact to be. No big deal, I was wrong about Manning. Oh well, live and learn.
RE: We're  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14125157 crick n NC said:
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All wrong from time to time. I remember towards the end of last year everyone knew the Giants would draft a qb.


because it was logical...
Like Ereck FLowers  
Bill L : 10/12/2018 4:22 pm : link
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Eli is not retiring and walking away from 20 plus million  
xman : 10/12/2018 5:01 pm : link
especially since his memorabillia biz has closed.

But I am all for extending him another 4 years or so if it makes everyone happy. He can tutor the next QB . Maybe he will take a cut to 10 million a year. Thats a fair price for a HOF QB teacher. He can teach him his specialty the chuck and duck and back foot throw
Eli is Done...  
GMoney : 10/12/2018 5:12 pm : link
Yeah he seems like and probably is a Great Guy. Now its time to Fucking GOOOOOOOOO. He is DONE. One of many problems on this Shit Bag of a Team. ( Anyone want to take a Collection for a Retirement Gift for Him? Give me a Fucking Break !!!
A couple quick observations on OBJ and Eli  
B in ALB : 10/12/2018 5:24 pm : link
Watched the releases of OBJ last night and it seems that he just doesn't have the explosion that he had before the injury. He is routinely yoked up at the line and bodied by a CB playing man. He's being physically bullied at the LoS and it's taking longer for him to get open. He was almost an automatic separation from the defensive backfield and I can't help but think the injury is really still affecting his quickness of the line.

I watched a few extra shots of "pressures" on Eli and he's clearly seeing/pressure that isn't there on many occasions. In many examples, all he needs to do is step up and avoid the ends rushing upfield. He used to be excellent at this and his footwork in the pocket more than made up for his lack of mobility outside the pocket. And now that is exacerbated by an OL that routinely gives up pressure from Guard to Guard. On more than one play, Eli had open receivers down the field running corner routes, post-corners, sevens, etc, and for some reason he didn't throw the ball. He's clearly playing shook - perhaps scared as he winds down his career - and I'm not completely opposed to giving the rookie a look at some point this season.

So we've got a QB/WR battery where one is possibly still feeling the effects of an injury and the other is playing as if he's afraid of being injured. This coupled with a team that is lacking any semblance of leadership and was easily exposed as indifferent shortly after halftime leads me to not completely dismiss the possibility that they will go 1-15.
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crick n NC : 10/12/2018 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14125271 Jimmy Googs said:
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All wrong from time to time. I remember towards the end of last year everyone knew the Giants would draft a qb.



because it was logical...


More than one thing can be logical. The point was it was being presented as fact before hand, and anyone who disagreed was "delusional". That kind of thinking is one of the big plagues on this forum
And to add insult to injury,  
Rick5 : 10/12/2018 6:11 pm : link
Shurmur may not be the answer at HC. It's a rough time to be a Giants fan.
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crick n NC : 10/12/2018 6:14 pm : link
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Shurmur may not be the answer at HC. It's a rough time to be a Giants fan.


That would be an unfortunate setback. We see what happens to teams who flip coaches.
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Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2018 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14125474 crick n NC said:
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All wrong from time to time. I remember towards the end of last year everyone knew the Giants would draft a qb.



because it was logical...



More than one thing can be logical. The point was it was being presented as fact before hand, and anyone who disagreed was "delusional". That kind of thinking is one of the big plagues on this forum


No, that isn't correct or fair. There were plenty of posters who didn't take that approach and call the non-QB crowd delusional. And it went both ways, and you know it.

Having an asset like Barkley is fantastic...no argument from me whatsoever. However, my concerns were far more around how long it takes to get a new QB to be able to take the reigns, and I have been very clear that the Giants were no longer going to be a winning team as long as Eli kept starting. We needed a change from the guy under center, and until we did it, we were wasting time.

Yes, you can build a team in many ways. But I was already past the idea the Eli was going to be helpful going forward so it was easier from my perspective to say "go QB" with the #2 pick. I like hand-of-god RBs, but I didn't find it reasonable that the attributes from all those Qbs who came out last year were not sufficient for DG not to find "the guy". To me, DG took the easy route because it was simply easy to not miss with Barkley.

Good news is SB is absolutely the goods....no question. The bad news is we are wasting time because running backs do not bring teams to the promised land...QBs do. Maybe one in the 2019 will be our guy.

That's the logic...
For those who are turned off by Odell’s fire  
#10* : 10/12/2018 10:37 pm : link
Understand, this is nothing new in the world of great receivers. Jerry Rice was the one seemingly humble guy. Also most on this board or any board have never been at his level and what he’s able to accomplish in this game.

If he’s trying to pysche himself up, that’s the fuel he needs to operate the way he does.

If he’s upset at the low number of targets, it’s because he feels lime he can contribute more and with the low level of scoring that’s taking place one would tend to agree.

The Giants have one of the most prolific tandems in Odelll and Barkley in the NFL. Enjoy.
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