Eli is done.

better run team/organization...he doesn't deserve this.

I agree with pretty much everything you said.

Never thought I'd read this from you. What a shitty fucking day. Unfortunately, I agree.

this year. But it will in the future, and the team will get better.

We just wasted time getting to this point...

that a pocket passer can no longer win in the NFL. I do agree Eli is done, they just keep on losing and he is yhe starter. It has been fifteen years and he can't do it anymore.

I don't think he has sucked for five or six years as many on this board state and I really do not understand the glee expressed that GOAT Eli can no longer do the job.

That said, this is a team of losing quitters, the defense is a fucking joke as well and the Latimer play on specials and the sniping by Beckham ad pointing of fingers are symptoms of a culture problem that is about to destroy another coach.

Sad, but the Eli era died last night. I also miss TC, cutting him loose was a titanic mistake.

He's just scapegoat #2.

One of the most heroic Giants ever is destined to end his career as Joe Pisarcik.

The organization has betrayed him and it may be a very long time before we see a QB as good in a Giants uniform

I agree with some but I don't think it is a 1 for 1, with Eli being done and OBJ being a leader.

1) Eli is done. He needs a perfect situation to be effective in this league right now and we are not it.

2) I don't think OBJ will live out his contract here with the Giants. He is too unstable and unreliable to rally behind. Too many people see things with their heart and not their head.

3) Barkley is the guy we need to build around. The Giants need to shift their entire offense to be about Barkley and then compliment him with other players who fit. We need some WR's that don't just like to make big plays but can't or won't do the little things that make or break an offense. We need guys who will play tough but smart too.

4) A roster purge at the bottom is great but the fish stinks from the head down. There are a few guys people here love that really just need to go- Janoris Jenkins is one, Eli Apple could be one, Landon Collins is borderline as he is not nearly as good as many here make him out to be and SS is way the eff overrated here. He is taking on traits of some others and shows little to nothing on the field when it matters the most.

he was done a few years ago.
a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m
Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.

Set him free at end of season
I don’t think much is left at all but we will see

In my heart I can’t stand watching the OBJ act
If this continues all year I would trade him to the AFC at the end of the
Season - we will be starting over with perhaps the best rb in a generation

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He's just scapegoat #2.

That interview four games into a new contract should scare the shit out of the Giants. How will he be with the new QB when he is not getting his numbers. Also, for better or worse once he came into locker room things started going downhill. Sure, he is all world in talent, but the jury is out that backing up the Brinks truck for him was a good move.

Saving grace is Barkley is yhe truth and can become face of the franchise.

since 2011. Wasted the second half of his career. It is sad watching him out there now. Who knows what the next QB brings but they need to get the process started. It could take multiple iterations.

This past off season, we would have a QB going through growing pains and at least there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. A glimour of hope.

Saquon is great, real excited about him as a player. The big problem is we dont know when we’lll have a functional team around him.

we'll get a new QB... but at the same time, we'll draft/sign some decent linemen and get rid of trash like Omameh... then our offense will be humming along with the new QB and people will use this to justify blaming Eli as the main problem all these years.

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He's just scapegoat #2.

Beckham is a special case. I think the man has untreated psychiatric issues.

Pretty soon, no one will be buying it.....we may need help from Rozelle's ghost....

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This past off season, we would have a QB going through growing pains and at least there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. A glimour of hope. Saquon is great, real excited about him as a player. The big problem is we dont know when we’lll have a functional team around him.

True, but 2004 was an anatomy where all three top QBS were franchise guys. Team mmay get first overall and is a lock for a top three pick to get a QB. Who is to say that guy will not be able to do the job.

I love Eli Manning. He's my favorite professional athlete. I will always love Eli Manning. That being said... I hope he retires at the end of the season. It's time for both sides to move on.

We started the rebuild this year... It's time to continue in the off-season. This time, without #10.

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he was done a few years ago. a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.

Amen to that. Eli was the face of the franchise for years and came up big in some big games, but that Eli is gone. Unlike how we treated Webb last year, I would turn the reins over to Lauletta if only to see if there is anything there or do we need to look at drafting a starting QB in 2019

Eli isn't protected great, but he gets enough protection (first half he had a clean pocket much of the time), yet refuses to throw it downfield.

You see other qb's who can move the pocket, create time and make throws. He's a statue. Nothing wrong with that except you need great protection, which not many teams have, and we certainly do not.

But even when he does have time, he has happy feet, and dumps it asap.

How many times did he receive the snap and watch the rb run into the flat and he dumps him the ball immediately? I counted at least 7 times. Not even looking past the LOS.

Is he scared? Scared to throw it deep and get picked or scared to get hit or ... idk... but he absolutely refuses to throw it downfield except for a handful of times.

I mean, you're down 21 points and you are throwing 2 yard dump offs all second half. Even the final drive, dump offs... if it wasn't for Barkley being exceptional, his stat line would be 25-45 for 50 yards.

Is it all Eli's fault? NO... it isn't, but it really doesn't matter at this point. He's not going to be part of the solution in the future...

Gettlemen needs to get his Hog Mollies on the OL so we can actually run the ball, but... Eli's time is up.

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he was done a few years ago. a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.

There are many who seem happy about it. I think to prove they were "correct"

They say he has sucked for years, which is not true.

old, immobile, QB's who have lost their "fastball"?

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he was done a few years ago. a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.

The Maras never chose to do a proper rebuild to accommodate his peak, and then compounded it by not firing Reese when they got rid of TC. We got McAdoo, Flowers, etc.

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In comment 14123181 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: He's just scapegoat #2. That interview four games into a new contract should scare the shit out of the Giants. How will he be with the new QB when he is not getting his numbers. Also, for better or worse once he came into locker room things started going downhill. Sure, he is all world in talent, but the jury is out that backing up the Brinks truck for him was a good move. Saving grace is Barkley is yhe truth and can become face of the franchise.

I've said this numerous times and I'll say it again. Odell was thrown a grand total of 3 passes yesterday beyond the 1st down marker and 2 were terribly inaccurate. 99.9% of WRs aren't asked to be leaders of teams and it's even more difficult to ask an unproductive WR to be a leader. People want him to be Larry Fitzgerald, but Larry's team sucks too. I think with Odell, people just focus on things that don't really matter because frustration with the team and organization has set in. Yet, we expect Odell to be immune from that very same frustration. If he handled it the way people want him to, the team would still suck. The latter part of my previous sentence is the main issue, not the first part.

stand tall in the face of pressure and unleash...fuck it... give the people what they want... the INTs will come, he'll get hit a lot...but fuck it, leave it all out on the table and go out in style.

but it definitely requires, at a minimum, a good OL. The days of him carrying a savvy but fading OL to a superbowl are gone. I do think he'd win in Jacksonville but I doubt we ever find that out.

I think there's a lot to the view that winning as a pocket passer in the NFL is tough but Ryan and Brady have recently done exactly that. I think Eli's clock is just screwed. Its a combo of the decline in OL play, the lack of talent we've wheeled out there and the incredible athletes playing DL. It makes it so tough to survive as Eli.

versus a year too late.

Why?

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In comment 14123193 hitdog42 said: Quote: he was done a few years ago. a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault. There are many who seem happy about it. I think to prove they were "correct" They say he has sucked for years, which is not true.

Trust me, I think a majority of the Eli is done crowd would have rather been wrong and seen the Giants make the playoffs with these weapons.

He may not have "sucked" for years but the signs were there. They were there in 2016, but were masked by the defense and Odell carrying them to a 10-6 record. They were blatant last year, but the fans and media lost their shit when they benched him.

To be the most sore are the ones that dismiss how really awful the OL is, while thinking replacing the qb with a young scrambling qb will immediately make this offense consistent.

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In comment 14123197 rocco8112 said: Quote: In comment 14123181 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: He's just scapegoat #2. That interview four games into a new contract should scare the shit out of the Giants. How will he be with the new QB when he is not getting his numbers. Also, for better or worse once he came into locker room things started going downhill. Sure, he is all world in talent, but the jury is out that backing up the Brinks truck for him was a good move. Saving grace is Barkley is yhe truth and can become face of the franchise. I've said this numerous times and I'll say it again. Odell was thrown a grand total of 3 passes yesterday beyond the 1st down marker and 2 were terribly inaccurate. 99.9% of WRs aren't asked to be leaders of teams and it's even more difficult to ask an unproductive WR to be a leader. People want him to be Larry Fitzgerald, but Larry's team sucks too. I think with Odell, people just focus on things that don't really matter because frustration with the team and organization has set in. Yet, we expect Odell to be immune from that very same frustration. If he handled it the way people want him to, the team would still suck. The latter part of my previous sentence is the main issue, not the first part.

Well, I will say this, if Odell were on another team (pick anyone doesn't matter) and he pulled the antics that we have seen the last few years, we as a collective BBI would be roasting him here ala Moss, Owens etc.. Why do we ignore behaviors because he plays for us?

I posted last week that I think Eli can still be a starter in this league, but he needs a perfect scenario to succeed. This team is not that scenario.

All of that being said, Eli is NOT the only problem this team has. He's one of many. Jerry Reese and Marc Ross will go down as the two employees who had done the most damage to the franchise in it's history. Many of the intellectual posters had been echoing for years that missing on draft picks year after year will end up sinking this team. Well, it has, and we're sitting on the ocean floor right now.

is bringing in Eli after this year. He’s turning 38 in January and is not starter material for even a marginal team. Brady and Brees are not fair markers to compare and assume for Eli to be the same.

This is a very ugly end of his career.

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To be the most sore are the ones that dismiss how really awful the OL is, while thinking replacing the qb with a young scrambling qb will immediately make this offense consistent.

And for some reason you know it won't? Take immediate out of it as fans want to see better at some point...

Jax would be an even bigger contender if they traded for Eli but I think they have thrown in their lot with Bortles.

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better run team/organization...he doesn't deserve this.

because otherwise we'd be staring into the abyss. But the Giants actually CAN build a great team around Barkley's talents.

Will they? Who knows. But he's that special.

I just hope he's able to maintain his current attitude. He himself looked like he was staring into the abyss in the 2nd half. Saw someone in street clothes giving him a pep talk after the game.

is Odell had a great attitude his rookie year too. Almost too good to be true. But look at him now. Barkley's one of those guys that's so popular, you wonder if he can keep his head straight.

OL is a bigger problem than Eli. They are routinely controlled by four or five DL, meaning that Eli is constantly throwing against six or seven defenders. They also can't open holes for Barkley, who is often hit by multiple defenders in the backfield. Solder and Omameh should not have been signed.

But Eli's complete immobility exacerbates the poor OL. He can only throw from the pocket, and it has to be clean for him to do so. He can't extend plays with his feet. That isn't realistic in the NFL. A mobile QB is a must. And even when he has time, he misses receivers, possibly because he's shell shocked after all the beatings he's taken. The Giants failed Eli by not drafting or signing competent OL.

It will take at least two years for the Giants to be competitive. By that time Eli will be 39 or 40. So even if he can still play, age means he likely won't be able to do so by the time the Giants are a winning team again.

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because otherwise we'd be staring into the abyss. But the Giants actually CAN build a great team around Barkley's talents. Will they? Who knows. But he's that special. I just hope he's able to maintain his current attitude. He himself looked like he was staring into the abyss in the 2nd half. Saw someone in street clothes giving him a pep talk after the game.

It was Reggie Bush I think. I don’t think we will ever have to worry about Barkley.

and it isn’t his fault.

The most annoying thing for me here is these last few years might have ruined the HoF for him. Real shame. Eli needed an OL much more than skill position players.

It is really sad how his career will come to an end in NY. My hope for him is he lands in a spot where he can play and perhaps still make the HOF.

To be sure.

to succeed. He just needs a better one, which may no longer be possible here.

This team is just no longer likable. I'm an old guy. I don't understand new technology, I believe that Rock and Roll died in the 1980s and I like to believe that being a good and decent human being triumphs in the end. To me that is more important than winning at all cost. Alas, that appears to be a silly pipe dream.

Taking a step back, and removing Eli from the equation, there is little that is likable about this team other than Barkley.

Perhaps it is time to take a sabbatical from this team.

Eli is PART of the problem..not ALL..of course another qb likely not quick fix..because many issue on offense need to be fixed..but a younger QB may likely be start of improving the offense etc than what eli has now (diminishing skills)

As some stated work in progress..rather than stagnant one now

the play calls have been shit.

This is a different era.
These crybaby clowns storming up and down the sideline throwing tantrums is cringeworthy.

Beckham just wants to win? So did Snee, Seubert, O'Hara, the Crunch Bunch, Eli & all the other tough SOB's who actually DID win. And did it without acting like a baby not getting his bottle.

Beckham = douche chills. I'm sure someone will just throw that back at me but it's how I see it.

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This is a different era. These crybaby clowns storming up and down the sideline throwing tantrums is cringeworthy. Beckham just wants to win? So did Snee, Seubert, O'Hara, the Crunch Bunch, Eli & all the other tough SOB's who actually DID win. And did it without acting like a baby not getting his bottle. Beckham = douche chills. I'm sure someone will just throw that back at me but it's how I see it.

I really don't like OBJ. Not at the same pathological as Go Terps but I really don't like the way he carries himself. I appreciate his talent and I am not in a position to judge his work ethic or leadership. I just find him difficult to like and probably wouldn't lose sleep if he were traded

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is bringing in Eli after this year. He’s turning 38 in January and is not starter material for even a marginal team. Brady and Brees are not fair markers to compare and assume for Eli to be the same. This is a very ugly end of his career.

I actually think he could play well in Dallas behind a healthy version of their OL.

Somewhere, Eli knows he has loyal fans like you. He has had a storybook career and made a fuckton of money, has a great family. I like your post, it captures my feelings perfectly, I share your sorrow.

Is immaterial. I think he could, but this team is too far away from that and with his age he is not the long term solution. So maybe that all comes together for a year, then what? We've been bad for years. We need to rebuild towards something that can provide sustained success.

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This post made me throw up in my mouth.

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Well, I will say this, if Odell were on another team (pick anyone doesn't matter) and he pulled the antics that we have seen the last few years, we as a collective BBI would be roasting him here ala Moss, Owens etc.. Why do we ignore behaviors because he plays for us?

What antics? Are we really comparing him to Terrell Owens? For more than 70% of Odell's career, the defense has been an abomination. The o-line has been an embarrassment. Now the QB is washed up, but the problem is "behaviors"?

I guess it's just easier to focus on scapegoats and things that aren't really important than it is on those other things because those are much more difficult issues and take longer to solve.

to the realization that he can't get it done anymore and its better off for the franchise if he just retire at end of the year. Versus clinging on and everybody wasting more time/seasons.

While nobody wants to leave on a downward trend, it would be the best for all.

And he could leave with class just as he has always acted as a player and teammate...

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he was done a few years ago. a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.

This.

city. 1-15 or bust.

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In comment 14123447 WillVAB said: Quote: In comment 14123288 Sammo85 said: Quote: is bringing in Eli after this year. He’s turning 38 in January and is not starter material for even a marginal team. Brady and Brees are not fair markers to compare and assume for Eli to be the same. This is a very ugly end of his career. I actually think he could play well in Dallas behind a healthy version of their OL. This post made me throw up in my mouth.

Actually makes some sense. Prescott sucks. Eli would give them a bridge to the next guy without being forced to back up the truck for Prescott. Great OL when healthy, good running game.

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we'll get a new QB... but at the same time, we'll draft/sign some decent linemen and get rid of trash like Omameh... then our offense will be humming along with the new QB and people will use this to justify blaming Eli as the main problem all these years.

Eli getting the blame would suck, but as a fan I'll take it.

have pretty much coincided with yours, Britt.

Last night, it was as if a proclamation had been read at mid-field. This is it. That was great, but it's time to move forward. With appreciation. Sadly.

will retire at the end of the year.. he's said multiple times he's always wanted to finish his career where he started it.. he's got to be able to see that he's not the answer anymore.. i love him and have defended him through even last year, but he was embarrassingly bad last night and completely cooked.. most of his non-checkdown passes were terribly inaccurate. the INT was terrible.

In comment 14123333 Jimmy Googs said:

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Jimmy this OL is really bad. I don't know for fact of course not. But what do your eyes tell you about the OL? Consistency with this OL more than likely won't happen. A mobile qb will make more things happen, but blindside pressure is blindside pressure. Manning isn't getting it done, but a lot has to Chang with this line in terms of simple man on man execution for this offense to ha've consistency.

And have been saying this exact thing for 3 or so weeks. It’s over for him here, and probably the NFL. The league is young, fast and very little defense. I too am questioning weather or not the league is moving in a direction I want to follow. It’s beginning to feel like arena football. And I already don’t watch arena football.

We all knew this before the season started. The problem is that the leadership of the Giants, Mara, DG, Shurmur was as deluded as you were. That’s why we’re here. No present, murky future.

The Giants then trade Eli to Jacksonville and everyone goes home happy.

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In comment 14123333 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 14123263 crick n NC said: Quote: To be the most sore are the ones that dismiss how really awful the OL is, while thinking replacing the qb with a young scrambling qb will immediately make this offense consistent. And for some reason you know it won't? Take immediate out of it as fans want to see better at some point... Jimmy this OL is really bad. I don't know for fact of course not. But what do your eyes tell you about the OL? Consistency with this OL more than likely won't happen. A mobile qb will make more things happen, but blindside pressure is blindside pressure. Manning isn't getting it done, but a lot has to Chang with this line in terms of simple man on man execution for this offense to ha've consistency.

Yes, OL is bad and we have to change the guy under center. And until we do the latter we are wasting time...

I am not here to pile on Eli or say I told you so. Eli will always be a legend in NY. It does suck that it has to end like this. Here is to the future and a new era, one that we can all collectively be behind.

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Another +1.

Nobody wanted to end up here, but let's face it - for all but a very small population of players, the end usually isn't pretty.

Or at least I hope he does.

and quite a few people here were very excited about the direction of the team with DG and the many moves he made in the offseason. It's not the fans fault that those moves didn't work out and this was all a big mistake. This was the direction a bunch of people wanted this past offseason, and they got it.

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will retire at the end of the year.. he's said multiple times he's always wanted to finish his career where he started it.. he's got to be able to see that he's not the answer anymore.. i love him and have defended him through even last year, but he was embarrassingly bad last night and completely cooked.. most of his non-checkdown passes were terribly inaccurate. the INT was terrible.

He changed that tune pretty quickly and, like TC, basically gave the Giants an FU last year and said he’d keep playing elsewhere.

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to the realization that he can't get it done anymore and its better off for the franchise if he just retire at end of the year. Versus clinging on and everybody wasting more time/seasons. While nobody wants to leave on a downward trend, it would be the best for all. And he could leave with class just as he has always acted as a player and teammate...

I think he should retire right now. I do not not want to watch have to answer these questions every week. I can't stomach to see him go out like this. Every pregame, every broadcast is going everyone pile on Eli. Him and his brother should get some investors and buy a franchise. Between the 2 of them they earned 1/2 billion in salary, never mind endorsement deals and investments. He don't need this shit, imagine if he gets his back broken now? For what? Go take care your family Eli, you have given us everything.

“Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”)

The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals.

"welcome to the party".

the rest of us have been here a while, so there's not much beer left.

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Don’t be such a drama queen. If it bothers u so much skip the pregame

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“Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”) The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals.

Right? Just three weeks ago he was making threads about how Eli could still sling the ball and calling out the haters about how he was right.

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In comment 14124654 Cam in MO said: Quote: “Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”) The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals. Right? Just three weeks ago he was making threads about how Eli could still sling the ball and calling out the haters about how he was right.

And he will again...

You can't fumble as much as much as he has, throw an interception in your own territory. That's was 14 pts to start the game for the other team. He has got to find a way to hold on to the ball and throw with better accuracy. This has been his history fumbling and throwing interceptions at the worst times of games.

It looks as much of a bad fit as it does someone in his declining years. He could go someplace with a good fit and be very successful. Why would you not want him to do that?

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In comment 14124707 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14124654 Cam in MO said: Quote: “Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”) The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals. Right? Just three weeks ago he was making threads about how Eli could still sling the ball and calling out the haters about how he was right. And he will again...

Yes. And he was also saying he couldn't wait for THEM (those Eli haters) to EAT SHIT.

Even Britt's "Eli is Done" thread is really just another defense of Eli and how it's really the fault of all the other players.

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In comment 14124727 Default said: Quote: In comment 14124707 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14124654 Cam in MO said: Quote: “Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”) The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals. Right? Just three weeks ago he was making threads about how Eli could still sling the ball and calling out the haters about how he was right. And he will again... Yes. And he was also saying he couldn't wait for THEM (those Eli haters) to EAT SHIT. Even Britt's "Eli is Done" thread is really just another defense of Eli and how it's really the fault of all the other players.

Well at least for the penultimate part, he's not really wrong.

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In comment 14124727 Default said: Quote: In comment 14124707 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14124654 Cam in MO said: Quote: “Fine! You were right! It still doesn’t matter! I hope you’re happy now! I don’t care anyway!” (or, “meh!”) The great thing about sports is there’s always the next game or the next season. The worst part is seeing your heroes slowly but inevitably turn from gods back to normal mortals. Right? Just three weeks ago he was making threads about how Eli could still sling the ball and calling out the haters about how he was right. And he will again... Yes. And he was also saying he couldn't wait for THEM (those Eli haters) to EAT SHIT. Even Britt's "Eli is Done" thread is really just another defense of Eli and how it's really the fault of all the other players.

If that's the case, once again, wrong.

The Giants posted a Pass Block Win Rate (PBWR) of only 5% last night. That's the lowest single-game performance so far this season. Compare that to the Eagles' PBWR of 68% last night. The Giants are now ranked 31st in the league overall with a PBWR of 33%. The Eagles rank 16th at 50%, which is average. PBWR is an ESPN metric powered by Next Gen Stats.

In comment 14125019 Bill L said:

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It looks as much of a bad fit as it does someone in his declining years. He could go someplace with a good fit and be very successful. Why would you not want him to do that?

No team is taking Eli Manning.

suck up to bortles. I don't care.

In comment 14125142 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14125019 Bill L said: Quote: It looks as much of a bad fit as it does someone in his declining years. He could go someplace with a good fit and be very successful. Why would you not want him to do that? No team is taking Eli Manning.

Remember when people thought TC would coach after the Giants?

All wrong from time to time. I remember towards the end of last year everyone knew the Giants would draft a qb.

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In comment 14125147 Bill L said:

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suck up to bortles. I don't care.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I'm not sure that line would be able to pass block for Eli. I've seen a few Jaguars games, and Bortles has to avoid pressure more often than you'd think.

Their wording wasn't accurate. It was talked about as a fact to be. No big deal, I was wrong about Manning. Oh well, live and learn.

In comment 14125157 crick n NC said:

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All wrong from time to time. I remember towards the end of last year everyone knew the Giants would draft a qb.

because it was logical...

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especially since his memorabillia biz has closed.

But I am all for extending him another 4 years or so if it makes everyone happy. He can tutor the next QB . Maybe he will take a cut to 10 million a year. Thats a fair price for a HOF QB teacher. He can teach him his specialty the chuck and duck and back foot throw

Yeah he seems like and probably is a Great Guy. Now its time to Fucking GOOOOOOOOO. He is DONE. One of many problems on this Shit Bag of a Team. ( Anyone want to take a Collection for a Retirement Gift for Him? Give me a Fucking Break !!!

Watched the releases of OBJ last night and it seems that he just doesn't have the explosion that he had before the injury. He is routinely yoked up at the line and bodied by a CB playing man. He's being physically bullied at the LoS and it's taking longer for him to get open. He was almost an automatic separation from the defensive backfield and I can't help but think the injury is really still affecting his quickness of the line.

I watched a few extra shots of "pressures" on Eli and he's clearly seeing/pressure that isn't there on many occasions. In many examples, all he needs to do is step up and avoid the ends rushing upfield. He used to be excellent at this and his footwork in the pocket more than made up for his lack of mobility outside the pocket. And now that is exacerbated by an OL that routinely gives up pressure from Guard to Guard. On more than one play, Eli had open receivers down the field running corner routes, post-corners, sevens, etc, and for some reason he didn't throw the ball. He's clearly playing shook - perhaps scared as he winds down his career - and I'm not completely opposed to giving the rookie a look at some point this season.

So we've got a QB/WR battery where one is possibly still feeling the effects of an injury and the other is playing as if he's afraid of being injured. This coupled with a team that is lacking any semblance of leadership and was easily exposed as indifferent shortly after halftime leads me to not completely dismiss the possibility that they will go 1-15.

In comment 14125271 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 14125157 crick n NC said: Quote: All wrong from time to time. I remember towards the end of last year everyone knew the Giants would draft a qb. because it was logical...

More than one thing can be logical. The point was it was being presented as fact before hand, and anyone who disagreed was "delusional". That kind of thinking is one of the big plagues on this forum

Shurmur may not be the answer at HC. It's a rough time to be a Giants fan.

In comment 14125506 Rick5 said:

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Shurmur may not be the answer at HC. It's a rough time to be a Giants fan.

That would be an unfortunate setback. We see what happens to teams who flip coaches.

In comment 14125474 crick n NC said:

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In comment 14125271 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 14125157 crick n NC said: Quote: All wrong from time to time. I remember towards the end of last year everyone knew the Giants would draft a qb. because it was logical... More than one thing can be logical. The point was it was being presented as fact before hand, and anyone who disagreed was "delusional". That kind of thinking is one of the big plagues on this forum

No, that isn't correct or fair. There were plenty of posters who didn't take that approach and call the non-QB crowd delusional. And it went both ways, and you know it.

Having an asset like Barkley is fantastic...no argument from me whatsoever. However, my concerns were far more around how long it takes to get a new QB to be able to take the reigns, and I have been very clear that the Giants were no longer going to be a winning team as long as Eli kept starting. We needed a change from the guy under center, and until we did it, we were wasting time.

Yes, you can build a team in many ways. But I was already past the idea the Eli was going to be helpful going forward so it was easier from my perspective to say "go QB" with the #2 pick. I like hand-of-god RBs, but I didn't find it reasonable that the attributes from all those Qbs who came out last year were not sufficient for DG not to find "the guy". To me, DG took the easy route because it was simply easy to not miss with Barkley.

Good news is SB is absolutely the goods....no question. The bad news is we are wasting time because running backs do not bring teams to the promised land...QBs do. Maybe one in the 2019 will be our guy.

That's the logic...

Understand, this is nothing new in the world of great receivers. Jerry Rice was the one seemingly humble guy. Also most on this board or any board have never been at his level and what he’s able to accomplish in this game.

If he’s trying to pysche himself up, that’s the fuel he needs to operate the way he does.

If he’s upset at the low number of targets, it’s because he feels lime he can contribute more and with the low level of scoring that’s taking place one would tend to agree.

The Giants have one of the most prolific tandems in Odelll and Barkley in the NFL. Enjoy.