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Eli is done.

Britt in VA : 10/12/2018 8:13 am
He can still play, IMO, but he can no longer help this team win football games.

So go ahead, replace him. But be prepared that replacing Eli is not going to fix this mess. Just like simply firing Coughlin didn't solve anything. Those six and seven win seasons that ended his tenure don't even look so bad anymore in comparison.

Aside from Barkley, this is not a very likable team for me. Very unlikable. Looked like a bunch of quitters to me.

Hell, maybe the NFL is becoming an unlikable game/league. I'm unsure. The game has evolved and Eli and those like him are like him are dinosaurs. You've got to run in this league now. It is a spread offense league. You gotta be able to run around and throw 3 plus TD's every week. The chess matches are over. Score, score, score.

So bash away. Call me a fanboy, an apologist, whatever.
You got your wish. Eli is done here, no more need to get your pitchforks and run the guy out of town. I'm just going to take the rest of the season and mourn the passing of a golden era of Giants football in Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning. Welcome to the Odell Beckham leadership era.

It's a big "meh" from me.
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I've always wished for Eli to move on to a  
SHO'NUFF : 10/12/2018 8:16 am : link
better run team/organization...he doesn't deserve this.
Excellent post  
BlueHurricane : 10/12/2018 8:16 am : link
I agree with pretty much everything you said.

Wow  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 10/12/2018 8:16 am : link
Never thought I'd read this from you. What a shitty fucking day. Unfortunately, I agree.
Especially this  
BlueHurricane : 10/12/2018 8:17 am : link
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Aside from Barkley, this is not a very likable team for me. Very unlikable. Looked like a bunch of quitters to me.
Replacing Eli isn't going to fix this mess  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2018 8:17 am : link
this year. But it will in the future, and the team will get better.

We just wasted time getting to this point...
I disagree  
rocco8112 : 10/12/2018 8:19 am : link
that a pocket passer can no longer win in the NFL. I do agree Eli is done, they just keep on losing and he is yhe starter. It has been fifteen years and he can't do it anymore.

I don't think he has sucked for five or six years as many on this board state and I really do not understand the glee expressed that GOAT Eli can no longer do the job.

That said, this is a team of losing quitters, the defense is a fucking joke as well and the Latimer play on specials and the sniping by Beckham ad pointing of fingers are symptoms of a culture problem that is about to destroy another coach.

Sad, but the Eli era died last night. I also miss TC, cutting him loose was a titanic mistake.
Bitching about Odell Beckham isn't intelligent either.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2018 8:19 am : link
He's just scapegoat #2.
It is sad  
GiantEgo : 10/12/2018 8:20 am : link
One of the most heroic Giants ever is destined to end his career as Joe Pisarcik.

The organization has betrayed him and it may be a very long time before we see a QB as good in a Giants uniform
Britt  
jvm52106 : 10/12/2018 8:20 am : link
I agree with some but I don't think it is a 1 for 1, with Eli being done and OBJ being a leader.

1) Eli is done. He needs a perfect situation to be effective in this league right now and we are not it.

2) I don't think OBJ will live out his contract here with the Giants. He is too unstable and unreliable to rally behind. Too many people see things with their heart and not their head.

3) Barkley is the guy we need to build around. The Giants need to shift their entire offense to be about Barkley and then compliment him with other players who fit. We need some WR's that don't just like to make big plays but can't or won't do the little things that make or break an offense. We need guys who will play tough but smart too.

4) A roster purge at the bottom is great but the fish stinks from the head down. There are a few guys people here love that really just need to go- Janoris Jenkins is one, Eli Apple could be one, Landon Collins is borderline as he is not nearly as good as many here make him out to be and SS is way the eff overrated here. He is taking on traits of some others and shows little to nothing on the field when it matters the most.
nobody is happy Eli is done  
hitdog42 : 10/12/2018 8:21 am : link
he was done a few years ago.
a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m
Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.
Yep  
greek13 : 10/12/2018 8:22 am : link
Set him free at end of season
I don’t think much is left at all but we will see

In my heart I can’t stand watching the OBJ act
If this continues all year I would trade him to the AFC at the end of the
Season - we will be starting over with perhaps the best rb in a generation

RE: Bitching about Odell Beckham isn't intelligent either.  
rocco8112 : 10/12/2018 8:22 am : link
In comment 14123181 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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He's just scapegoat #2.


That interview four games into a new contract should scare the shit out of the Giants. How will he be with the new QB when he is not getting his numbers. Also, for better or worse once he came into locker room things started going downhill. Sure, he is all world in talent, but the jury is out that backing up the Brinks truck for him was a good move.

Saving grace is Barkley is yhe truth and can become face of the franchise.
The front office failed him  
St. Jimmy : 10/12/2018 8:22 am : link
since 2011. Wasted the second half of his career. It is sad watching him out there now. Who knows what the next QB brings but they need to get the process started. It could take multiple iterations.
If we had replaced him  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/12/2018 8:23 am : link
This past off season, we would have a QB going through growing pains and at least there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. A glimour of hope.

Saquon is great, real excited about him as a player. The big problem is we dont know when we’lll have a functional team around him.
You know what will happen in the next couple of years...  
SHO'NUFF : 10/12/2018 8:23 am : link
we'll get a new QB... but at the same time, we'll draft/sign some decent linemen and get rid of trash like Omameh... then our offense will be humming along with the new QB and people will use this to justify blaming Eli as the main problem all these years.
RE: Bitching about Odell Beckham isn't intelligent either.  
GiantEgo : 10/12/2018 8:23 am : link
In comment 14123181 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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He's just scapegoat #2.


Beckham is a special case. I think the man has untreated psychiatric issues.
The Giants are selling a product....  
Doomster : 10/12/2018 8:24 am : link
Pretty soon, no one will be buying it.....we may need help from Rozelle's ghost....
RE: If we had replaced him  
rocco8112 : 10/12/2018 8:24 am : link
In comment 14123200 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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This past off season, we would have a QB going through growing pains and at least there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. A glimour of hope.

Saquon is great, real excited about him as a player. The big problem is we dont know when we’lll have a functional team around him.


True, but 2004 was an anatomy where all three top QBS were franchise guys. Team mmay get first overall and is a lock for a top three pick to get a QB. Who is to say that guy will not be able to do the job.
I say this and I standby it.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 10/12/2018 8:24 am : link
I love Eli Manning. He's my favorite professional athlete. I will always love Eli Manning. That being said... I hope he retires at the end of the season. It's time for both sides to move on.

We started the rebuild this year... It's time to continue in the off-season. This time, without #10.
RE: nobody is happy Eli is done  
Mike in NY : 10/12/2018 8:25 am : link
In comment 14123193 hitdog42 said:
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he was done a few years ago.
a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m
Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.


Amen to that. Eli was the face of the franchise for years and came up big in some big games, but that Eli is gone. Unlike how we treated Webb last year, I would turn the reins over to Lauletta if only to see if there is anything there or do we need to look at drafting a starting QB in 2019
It's a bad combination right now  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/12/2018 8:27 am : link
Eli isn't protected great, but he gets enough protection (first half he had a clean pocket much of the time), yet refuses to throw it downfield.

You see other qb's who can move the pocket, create time and make throws. He's a statue. Nothing wrong with that except you need great protection, which not many teams have, and we certainly do not.

But even when he does have time, he has happy feet, and dumps it asap.

How many times did he receive the snap and watch the rb run into the flat and he dumps him the ball immediately? I counted at least 7 times. Not even looking past the LOS.

Is he scared? Scared to throw it deep and get picked or scared to get hit or ... idk... but he absolutely refuses to throw it downfield except for a handful of times.

I mean, you're down 21 points and you are throwing 2 yard dump offs all second half. Even the final drive, dump offs... if it wasn't for Barkley being exceptional, his stat line would be 25-45 for 50 yards.

Is it all Eli's fault? NO... it isn't, but it really doesn't matter at this point. He's not going to be part of the solution in the future...

Gettlemen needs to get his Hog Mollies on the OL so we can actually run the ball, but... Eli's time is up.
RE: nobody is happy Eli is done  
rocco8112 : 10/12/2018 8:29 am : link
In comment 14123193 hitdog42 said:
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he was done a few years ago.
a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m
Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.


There are many who seem happy about it. I think to prove they were "correct"

They say he has sucked for years, which is not true.

What exactly do you mean by Eli and those like him?  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2018 8:31 am : link
old, immobile, QB's who have lost their "fastball"?
RE: nobody is happy Eli is done  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/12/2018 8:32 am : link
In comment 14123193 hitdog42 said:
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he was done a few years ago.
a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m
Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.


The Maras never chose to do a proper rebuild to accommodate his peak, and then compounded it by not firing Reese when they got rid of TC. We got McAdoo, Flowers, etc.
RE: RE: Bitching about Odell Beckham isn't intelligent either.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 14123197 rocco8112 said:
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He's just scapegoat #2.



That interview four games into a new contract should scare the shit out of the Giants. How will he be with the new QB when he is not getting his numbers. Also, for better or worse once he came into locker room things started going downhill. Sure, he is all world in talent, but the jury is out that backing up the Brinks truck for him was a good move.

Saving grace is Barkley is yhe truth and can become face of the franchise.


I've said this numerous times and I'll say it again. Odell was thrown a grand total of 3 passes yesterday beyond the 1st down marker and 2 were terribly inaccurate. 99.9% of WRs aren't asked to be leaders of teams and it's even more difficult to ask an unproductive WR to be a leader. People want him to be Larry Fitzgerald, but Larry's team sucks too. I think with Odell, people just focus on things that don't really matter because frustration with the team and organization has set in. Yet, we expect Odell to be immune from that very same frustration. If he handled it the way people want him to, the team would still suck. The latter part of my previous sentence is the main issue, not the first part.
if this is it for Eli, he should go out with a bang  
SHO'NUFF : 10/12/2018 8:34 am : link
stand tall in the face of pressure and unleash...fuck it... give the people what they want... the INTs will come, he'll get hit a lot...but fuck it, leave it all out on the table and go out in style.
I think Eli can still win  
English Alaister : 10/12/2018 8:34 am : link
but it definitely requires, at a minimum, a good OL. The days of him carrying a savvy but fading OL to a superbowl are gone. I do think he'd win in Jacksonville but I doubt we ever find that out.

I think there's a lot to the view that winning as a pocket passer in the NFL is tough but Ryan and Brady have recently done exactly that. I think Eli's clock is just screwed. Its a combo of the decline in OL play, the lack of talent we've wheeled out there and the incredible athletes playing DL. It makes it so tough to survive as Eli.
It's always better to let a guy go a year early  
MattyKid : 10/12/2018 8:34 am : link
versus a year too late.
You're still bringing up Coughlin?  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/12/2018 8:35 am : link
Why?
RE: RE: nobody is happy Eli is done  
ajr2456 : 10/12/2018 8:36 am : link
In comment 14123227 rocco8112 said:
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he was done a few years ago.
a team budget can't afford a player to need everything right to succeed who commands 20m
Peak eli could do it a bit, before he got david carr syndrome. BTW getting that syndrome was not his fault.



There are many who seem happy about it. I think to prove they were "correct"

They say he has sucked for years, which is not true.


Trust me, I think a majority of the Eli is done crowd would have rather been wrong and seen the Giants make the playoffs with these weapons.

He may not have "sucked" for years but the signs were there. They were there in 2016, but were masked by the defense and Odell carrying them to a 10-6 record. They were blatant last year, but the fans and media lost their shit when they benched him.
The fans that are going  
crick n NC : 10/12/2018 8:36 am : link
To be the most sore are the ones that dismiss how really awful the OL is, while thinking replacing the qb with a young scrambling qb will immediately make this offense consistent.
RE: RE: RE: Bitching about Odell Beckham isn't intelligent either.  
jvm52106 : 10/12/2018 8:36 am : link
In comment 14123249 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 14123181 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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He's just scapegoat #2.



That interview four games into a new contract should scare the shit out of the Giants. How will he be with the new QB when he is not getting his numbers. Also, for better or worse once he came into locker room things started going downhill. Sure, he is all world in talent, but the jury is out that backing up the Brinks truck for him was a good move.

Saving grace is Barkley is yhe truth and can become face of the franchise.



I've said this numerous times and I'll say it again. Odell was thrown a grand total of 3 passes yesterday beyond the 1st down marker and 2 were terribly inaccurate. 99.9% of WRs aren't asked to be leaders of teams and it's even more difficult to ask an unproductive WR to be a leader. People want him to be Larry Fitzgerald, but Larry's team sucks too. I think with Odell, people just focus on things that don't really matter because frustration with the team and organization has set in. Yet, we expect Odell to be immune from that very same frustration. If he handled it the way people want him to, the team would still suck. The latter part of my previous sentence is the main issue, not the first part.


Well, I will say this, if Odell were on another team (pick anyone doesn't matter) and he pulled the antics that we have seen the last few years, we as a collective BBI would be roasting him here ala Moss, Owens etc.. Why do we ignore behaviors because he plays for us?
Couldn't agree more  
aimrocky : 10/12/2018 8:41 am : link
I posted last week that I think Eli can still be a starter in this league, but he needs a perfect scenario to succeed. This team is not that scenario.

All of that being said, Eli is NOT the only problem this team has. He's one of many. Jerry Reese and Marc Ross will go down as the two employees who had done the most damage to the franchise in it's history. Many of the intellectual posters had been echoing for years that missing on draft picks year after year will end up sinking this team. Well, it has, and we're sitting on the ocean floor right now.
No team  
Sammo85 : 10/12/2018 8:42 am : link
is bringing in Eli after this year. He’s turning 38 in January and is not starter material for even a marginal team. Brady and Brees are not fair markers to compare and assume for Eli to be the same.

This is a very ugly end of his career.
RE: The fans that are going  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2018 8:52 am : link
In comment 14123263 crick n NC said:
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To be the most sore are the ones that dismiss how really awful the OL is, while thinking replacing the qb with a young scrambling qb will immediately make this offense consistent.


And for some reason you know it won't? Take immediate out of it as fans want to see better at some point...
RE: I've always wished for Eli to move on to a  
Carthonfan : 10/12/2018 8:53 am : link
Jax would be an even bigger contender if they traded for Eli but I think they have thrown in their lot with Bortles.

In comment 14123169 SHO'NUFF said:
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better run team/organization...he doesn't deserve this.
Thank God for Barkley  
mittenedman : 10/12/2018 8:55 am : link
because otherwise we'd be staring into the abyss. But the Giants actually CAN build a great team around Barkley's talents.

Will they? Who knows. But he's that special.

I just hope he's able to maintain his current attitude. He himself looked like he was staring into the abyss in the 2nd half. Saw someone in street clothes giving him a pep talk after the game.
what freaks me out RE: Barkley  
mittenedman : 10/12/2018 8:56 am : link
is Odell had a great attitude his rookie year too. Almost too good to be true. But look at him now. Barkley's one of those guys that's so popular, you wonder if he can keep his head straight.
The  
AcidTest : 10/12/2018 8:57 am : link
OL is a bigger problem than Eli. They are routinely controlled by four or five DL, meaning that Eli is constantly throwing against six or seven defenders. They also can't open holes for Barkley, who is often hit by multiple defenders in the backfield. Solder and Omameh should not have been signed.

But Eli's complete immobility exacerbates the poor OL. He can only throw from the pocket, and it has to be clean for him to do so. He can't extend plays with his feet. That isn't realistic in the NFL. A mobile QB is a must. And even when he has time, he misses receivers, possibly because he's shell shocked after all the beatings he's taken. The Giants failed Eli by not drafting or signing competent OL.

It will take at least two years for the Giants to be competitive. By that time Eli will be 39 or 40. So even if he can still play, age means he likely won't be able to do so by the time the Giants are a winning team again.

RE: Thank God for Barkley  
Danny Kanell : 10/12/2018 8:57 am : link
In comment 14123344 mittenedman said:
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because otherwise we'd be staring into the abyss. But the Giants actually CAN build a great team around Barkley's talents.

Will they? Who knows. But he's that special.

I just hope he's able to maintain his current attitude. He himself looked like he was staring into the abyss in the 2nd half. Saw someone in street clothes giving him a pep talk after the game.


It was Reggie Bush I think. I don’t think we will ever have to worry about Barkley.
Agree with whoever said Eli has David Carr syndrome  
NoGainDayne : 10/12/2018 9:02 am : link
and it isn’t his fault.

The most annoying thing for me here is these last few years might have ruined the HoF for him. Real shame. Eli needed an OL much more than skill position players.
Good Post Britt  
AnnapolisMike : 10/12/2018 9:03 am : link
It is really sad how his career will come to an end in NY. My hope for him is he lands in a spot where he can play and perhaps still make the HOF.
It's a sad day for all NYG fans  
UberAlias : 10/12/2018 9:07 am : link
To be sure.
I don't believe that Eli needs a perfect situation....  
Reb8thVA : 10/12/2018 9:07 am : link
to succeed. He just needs a better one, which may no longer be possible here.

This team is just no longer likable. I'm an old guy. I don't understand new technology, I believe that Rock and Roll died in the 1980s and I like to believe that being a good and decent human being triumphs in the end. To me that is more important than winning at all cost. Alas, that appears to be a silly pipe dream.

Taking a step back, and removing Eli from the equation, there is little that is likable about this team other than Barkley.

Perhaps it is time to take a sabbatical from this team.
Dont think you get the point  
micky : 10/12/2018 9:09 am : link
Eli is PART of the problem..not ALL..of course another qb likely not quick fix..because many issue on offense need to be fixed..but a younger QB may likely be start of improving the offense etc than what eli has now (diminishing skills)

As some stated work in progress..rather than stagnant one now
the coaching staff is not helping  
SHO'NUFF : 10/12/2018 9:10 am : link
the play calls have been shit.
Reb it's very true.  
mittenedman : 10/12/2018 9:12 am : link
This is a different era.
These crybaby clowns storming up and down the sideline throwing tantrums is cringeworthy.

Beckham just wants to win? So did Snee, Seubert, O'Hara, the Crunch Bunch, Eli & all the other tough SOB's who actually DID win. And did it without acting like a baby not getting his bottle.

Beckham = douche chills. I'm sure someone will just throw that back at me but it's how I see it.
RE: Reb it's very true.  
Reb8thVA : 10/12/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 14123421 mittenedman said:
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This is a different era.
These crybaby clowns storming up and down the sideline throwing tantrums is cringeworthy.

Beckham just wants to win? So did Snee, Seubert, O'Hara, the Crunch Bunch, Eli & all the other tough SOB's who actually DID win. And did it without acting like a baby not getting his bottle.

Beckham = douche chills. I'm sure someone will just throw that back at me but it's how I see it.


I really don't like OBJ. Not at the same pathological as Go Terps but I really don't like the way he carries himself. I appreciate his talent and I am not in a position to judge his work ethic or leadership. I just find him difficult to like and probably wouldn't lose sleep if he were traded
RE: No team  
WillVAB : 10/12/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 14123288 Sammo85 said:
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is bringing in Eli after this year. He’s turning 38 in January and is not starter material for even a marginal team. Brady and Brees are not fair markers to compare and assume for Eli to be the same.

This is a very ugly end of his career.


I actually think he could play well in Dallas behind a healthy version of their OL.
Sorry  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2018 9:25 am : link
Somewhere, Eli knows he has loyal fans like you. He has had a storybook career and made a fuckton of money, has a great family. I like your post, it captures my feelings perfectly, I share your sorrow.
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