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Keaton028 : 10/12/2018 10:07 am
I have to admit, I am beginning to sour on him a bit which is really disappointing. The guy just got rewarded an enormous contract and his behavior is still unstable. I was one of those “he’s just a passionate guy” fans, but I’m beginning to think it is something deeper too. I don’t care if he doesn’t put up the numbers every game because in this league that’s hard to do. But, there are ways to motivate and inspire through adversity, and I think the way Beckham responds adds more negativity than already uninspired group. It’s really too bad. If this guy had even just a little of Barkley’s professionalism and humility, we’d have two studs on offense to confidently build around in the future. Has all the talent in the world, but I get a sick sense he really is only about Beckham (I know teammates love him) or maybe he still just really doesn’t want to be here. It’s really too bad.
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RE: Just because the media puts a camera on something doesn't mean  
GiantEgo : 10/12/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 14123728 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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it's important. Just because beat writers ask about something after the game doesn't make it important.

Let's think... if Odell acted the way people want him to on the sideline, would Eli have not thrown a terrible pick 30 seconds into the game? Would Nate Solder be earning his money? Would the punt coverage unit tackled better? Would the defense suddenly be more talented?

Stop focusing on things that don't matter. Seriously.
Please.


I guess you already forgot he went on national television to run down his team. He is a classic "cancer" and just plain mentally unstable. He will be gone next year.
RE: Oh please. He wants to win  
riceneggs : 10/12/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 14123720 Rflairr said:
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He’s tired of having to put up with a shitty QB and incompetent HC


i mean, if we're being honest, it was because of Eli's high throw on a slant that got his ankle broken last year. i'd be pissed too
There wasn't an issue with Odell in 2016  
ajr2456 : 10/12/2018 10:27 am : link
when they were 10-6.

The man wants to win football games.
TO 2.0  
trueblueinpw : 10/12/2018 10:28 am : link
Someone else said it on another thread, it’s the perfect moniker for OBJ. He’s an HOF talent and serious headcase and a cancer all in one.
I thought his two first-down catches in the second  
CT Charlie : 10/12/2018 10:28 am : link
half were amazing, and they showed how strong-willed, explosive, and competitive he is. He had very little to play for and he played like it was the last five minutes of a tight Super Bowl.

And I haven't been a big fan of his. I wish he'd drop the hangin-out-with-celebrities stuff, as he doesn't need it. He and Brady are the most recognized guys in the NFL, and it's the biggest sport in the greatest country in the world.
RE: There wasn't an issue with Odell in 2016  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 14123748 ajr2456 said:
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when they were 10-6.

The man wants to win football games.


Are you saying the other players on the team dont?
RE: RE: Just because the media puts a camera on something doesn't mean  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 14123743 GiantEgo said:
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I guess you already forgot he went on national television to run down his team. He is a classic "cancer" and just plain mentally unstable. He will be gone next year.


Obviously, Odell's interview is why Eli Manning threw a terrible INT 30 seconds into this game.

The problem with the team is the other parts are talent deficient or terribly underperforming (relative to expectations), not TV interviews. Once again, people are focused on things that don't matter. Larry Fitzgerald is a great guy, but his team sucks too in 2018 because no amount of mythical leadership and humility can lift up shitty, underperforming players. Focus.
He is a distraction  
AnnapolisMike : 10/12/2018 10:30 am : link
and his cap hit takes away money from other areas on the team.
OBJ is a cancer  
Sonic Youth : 10/12/2018 10:30 am : link
Bc he's frustrated that Eli can't throw the fucking ball.

Giants fans have no idea how lucky we are to have OBJ.
Don't mean to toot my own horn  
GuzzaBlue : 10/12/2018 10:30 am : link
but off BBI and on here I pledged how dumb it was to give this guy a long term deal. Forget about the immaturity, YOU DO NOT WIN SB'S pouring tons of money into WR's. QB, OL, DL should be the core, simple as that. That has never changed no matter how much the game changes. Look at last night, the eagles Dline absolutely destroyed us. Why, because our Oline is trash and they have an elite Dline. Solid Oline play, great rotational Dline play and a good QB will always put you in position to make the playoffs and go on a SB run. Basically how we won our two last SB's.

Now all I hear is the bitching and moaning when most of the people doing it were the ones begggggging to sign him to a long term deal.

Funny thing is whenever I mentioned trade ODB, I got mobbed by people saying..."are you crazy, he's the best player in the league though". THis is a complete joke and ashamed to watch or go to the games.
RE: He is a distraction  
Sonic Youth : 10/12/2018 10:30 am : link
In comment 14123758 AnnapolisMike said:
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and his cap hit takes away money from other areas on the team.

But Eli's $20 mil cap hit isn't the problem.

Gimme a break
RE: There wasn't an issue with Odell in 2016  
GiantEgo : 10/12/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 14123748 ajr2456 said:
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when they were 10-6.

The man wants to win football games.


Refrain of today's bad boy athlete.. I just want to win so much! More than everyone else! I'm so special!
Always a scapegoat  
oldutican : 10/12/2018 10:31 am : link
Yes he is overly emotional, maybe unstable. But is there one bit of evidence he isn't giving his all on the field? Or that he lags in game preparation? Or that teammates believe he is a detriment? Has his emotions led to any penalties this season? When you can answer yes to any of these, let us know.
RE: RE: Just because the media puts a camera on something doesn't mean  
riceneggs : 10/12/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 14123743 GiantEgo said:
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In comment 14123728 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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it's important. Just because beat writers ask about something after the game doesn't make it important.

Let's think... if Odell acted the way people want him to on the sideline, would Eli have not thrown a terrible pick 30 seconds into the game? Would Nate Solder be earning his money? Would the punt coverage unit tackled better? Would the defense suddenly be more talented?

Stop focusing on things that don't matter. Seriously.
Please.



I guess you already forgot he went on national television to run down his team. He is a classic "cancer" and just plain mentally unstable. He will be gone next year.



Odell goes on TV and says
(1) the team lacks energy
(2) basically, Eli sucks

one game later, against the eagles
(1) the team lacks energy
(2) Eli sucks

its a trip that NFL players lift weights every day and bang each others head every day....but feelings get hurt so easily
RE: He is a distraction  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 14123758 AnnapolisMike said:
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and his cap hit takes away money from other areas on the team.


The guy was vastly underpaid from 2014-2017, yet all of the areas of the team that stunk then still stink now. For example, the cap space being used at left tackle doesn't seem to be doing much. Find another excuse.
RE: RE: He is a distraction  
GiantEgo : 10/12/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 14123761 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 14123758 AnnapolisMike said:


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and his cap hit takes away money from other areas on the team.


But Eli's $20 mil cap hit isn't the problem.

Gimme a break


Eli carried the team to two championships. Beckham spit he bit in one playoff game.
Once Eli is gone  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 10:35 am : link
I cant wait to call every one here OBJ fan boys or OBJ cultists. OBJ does no wrong.....

:)
RE: RE: RE: He is a distraction  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 14123780 GiantEgo said:
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Eli carried the team to two championships. Beckham spit he bit in one playoff game.


Odell Beckham has more recently earned the money he's being paid than Eli Manning has. That doesn't take away from anything Eli has accomplished... it's just the truth.
so last night  
hitdog42 : 10/12/2018 10:36 am : link
he got an IV- which he needs- and is a non event to everyone but the freak media and those that criticize media unless it fits their narrative.
and got pssd on the sidelines-- doing nothing to affect his play.

why today is this a hot topic pls?
if you dont like the cap allocation.. fine... if you think from the past... hes a bad egg... fine... but last night was a big fat nothing---
RE: RE: He is a distraction  
AnnapolisMike : 10/12/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 14123761 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 14123758 AnnapolisMike said:


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and his cap hit takes away money from other areas on the team.


But Eli's $20 mil cap hit isn't the problem.

Gimme a break


Did I say that? Eli is gone after this season as is his cap hit.
RE: so last night  
nygiants16 : 10/12/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 14123797 hitdog42 said:
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he got an IV- which he needs- and is a non event to everyone but the freak media and those that criticize media unless it fits their narrative.
and got pssd on the sidelines-- doing nothing to affect his play.

why today is this a hot topic pls?
if you dont like the cap allocation.. fine... if you think from the past... hes a bad egg... fine... but last night was a big fat nothing---


this way if they blame odell they do not have to talk about how eli sucks now...
Yeah OBJ  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 10:41 am : link
is the model teammate who does no wrong.
RE: RE: He is a distraction  
Scuzzlebutt : 10/12/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 14123774 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 14123758 AnnapolisMike said:


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and his cap hit takes away money from other areas on the team.



The guy was vastly underpaid from 2014-2017, yet all of the areas of the team that stunk then still stink now. For example, the cap space being used at left tackle doesn't seem to be doing much. Find another excuse.


It’s everyone’s fault but OBJ.
signing a WR to a huge contract  
AnnapolisMike : 10/12/2018 10:43 am : link
when your OL is in shambles is/was a mistake. Not for lack of trying...but the Giants have not been able to fix the OL...and that is the primary reason why the offense is so bad. Asking a pocket QB to excel in a situation where he has an ineffective OL has brought us to this point.
RE: Yeah OBJ  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2018 10:45 am : link
In comment 14123819 dep026 said:
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is the model teammate who does no wrong.


And if he was the "model teammate", would that magically make passes in his direction accurate? Or Nate Solder a good left tackle? Or the defense less of a sieve than it's been for most of his career?
RE: RE: RE: He is a distraction  
nygiants16 : 10/12/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 14123830 Scuzzlebutt said:
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In comment 14123774 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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In comment 14123758 AnnapolisMike said:


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and his cap hit takes away money from other areas on the team.



The guy was vastly underpaid from 2014-2017, yet all of the areas of the team that stunk then still stink now. For example, the cap space being used at left tackle doesn't seem to be doing much. Find another excuse.



It’s everyone’s fault but OBJ.


no you got that backwards, it is always beckhams fauly and no one elses
RE: RE: He is a distraction  
AnnapolisMike : 10/12/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 14123774 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 14123758 AnnapolisMike said:


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and his cap hit takes away money from other areas on the team.



The guy was vastly underpaid from 2014-2017, yet all of the areas of the team that stunk then still stink now. For example, the cap space being used at left tackle doesn't seem to be doing much. Find another excuse.


OBJ was on his rookie contract...that is how it works. Draft like shit...and your team will be shit because you have to pay to replace young cost controlled players with veterans.
RE: Once Eli is gone  
oldutican : 10/12/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 14123787 dep026 said:
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I cant wait to call every one here OBJ fan boys or OBJ cultists. OBJ does no wrong.....

:)


You love to scapegoat Eli's wide receivers. I remember well how you savaged Nicks, saying he wasn't trying, etc. In reality, he was physically shot. So now its convenient to focus on OBJ's histrionics, as if it had anything to do with the team being terrible.
RE: RE: There wasn't an issue with Odell in 2016  
ajr2456 : 10/12/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 14123752 dep026 said:
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In comment 14123748 ajr2456 said:


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when they were 10-6.

The man wants to win football games.



Are you saying the other players on the team dont?


I didn't say that. Some players handle losing differently, you don't think that interview was calculated? He knows he can force change with his words because of the contract. He knows his QB isn't good enough to get it done.

One thing you can say about Odell, as evident by those two two yard passes he took for first downs, is that when he steps on the field he doesn't quit. Like some guys on the defense have.
The funny thing is  
nygiants16 : 10/12/2018 10:55 am : link
if odell was on the sideline quiet and not talking, everyone here would be saying look at beckham he doesnt care...

god forbid he gets angry the team is playing like shit
I think his biggest issue is  
montanagiant : 10/12/2018 10:55 am : link
Barkley stealing his thunder and doing so without the diva BS.
RE: RE: Once Eli is gone  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 14123920 oldutican said:
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In comment 14123787 dep026 said:


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I cant wait to call every one here OBJ fan boys or OBJ cultists. OBJ does no wrong.....

:)



You love to scapegoat Eli's wide receivers. I remember well how you savaged Nicks, saying he wasn't trying, etc. In reality, he was physically shot. So now its convenient to focus on OBJ's histrionics, as if it had anything to do with the team being terrible.


And I have given Eli's WRs a lot of credit for his success as well. Which you convienantely do not mention cause it doesnt fit your bullshit narrative.

Yes I got on his WRs who didnt perform like randle and cruz when he didnt return. I dont remember bashing Nicks like you said. But there were a lot of times where he gave up on plays after his injury.

But stay the course my man!
RE: I think his biggest issue is  
ajr2456 : 10/12/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 14123932 montanagiant said:
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Barkley stealing his thunder and doing so without the diva BS.


Except they're best friends.
RE: RE: Yeah OBJ  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 10:59 am : link
In comment 14123849 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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is the model teammate who does no wrong.



And if he was the "model teammate", would that magically make passes in his direction accurate? Or Nate Solder a good left tackle? Or the defense less of a sieve than it's been for most of his career?


Nope it wouldnt. Be he still does plenty wrong.
Do fans really think Odell  
BBelle21 : 10/12/2018 11:00 am : link
WIll change if he gets a new QB??
.  
BlueHurricane : 10/12/2018 11:02 am : link
RE: Do fans really think Odell  
nygiants16 : 10/12/2018 11:03 am : link
In comment 14123963 BBelle21 said:
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WIll change if he gets a new QB??


if they are winning the little stuff does not become a big deal
RE: RE: RE: Yeah OBJ  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 14123954 dep026 said:
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And if he was the "model teammate", would that magically make passes in his direction accurate? Or Nate Solder a good left tackle? Or the defense less of a sieve than it's been for most of his career?



Nope it wouldnt. Be he still does plenty wrong.


But those are things that actually matter in terms of winning and losing football games, not the stuff that people are complaining about in this thread.
I don't really care about the sideline histrionics  
ron mexico : 10/12/2018 11:13 am : link
Its embarrassing for him but if thats the way he is wired and what makes him the player he is, so be it.

Not everyone needs to be a leader or a role model.

If he starts mailing it in on the field I will be concerned but I haven't seen that.
Again, I’m an Odell fan.  
Keaton028 : 10/12/2018 11:20 am : link
I want to see him have success here. I’m just saying my opinion of him is slowly changing and it sucks. Outside of Barkley, this season has just sucked.
Here’s the order...  
bw in dc : 10/12/2018 11:30 am : link
First, Mara gets duped by Eli.
Secondly, Mara gets duped by Accorsi.
Thirdly, Mara gets duped by Gettleman.
Lastly, Mara gets duped by OBJ.

What a last ten months...
RE: RE: RE: He is a distraction  
Sonic Youth : 10/12/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 14123780 GiantEgo said:
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In comment 14123758 AnnapolisMike said:


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and his cap hit takes away money from other areas on the team.


But Eli's $20 mil cap hit isn't the problem.

Gimme a break



Eli carried the team to two championships. Beckham spit he bit in one playoff game.

Eli's been paid handsomely for his accomplishments. Winning a 'ship 11 and 7 years ago, respectively, doesn't translate into justification for being paid $23 million today.
RE: RE: Riceneggs  
jvm52106 : 10/12/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14123737 riceneggs said:
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I think it’s his continued responses when things aren’t going right. The guy is absolutely a competitor and a playmaker. I won’t ever take that away from him. But leaving the team early at the half (AGAIN), the interview (which forces us all to hear about stuff that should be kept in the locker room over and over), and his sideline outbursts still occurring in year 4...I guess it just gets draining. It adds more disappointment to these already crappy games.



after he head butt the fan, what did he scream? i think he was trying to pump himself up and the team as well.

all positive things...but because its odell, the media will spin it however they please

Brady yells all the time...at coaches, at himself, at teammates. but he's tom brady so he's the ultimate competitor

so he leaves the sideline with 2 seconds left to get an IV. he was a little late coming back after halftime, which confirms he was indeed getting an IV. but because the media is trying to persuade you to believe he quit on his teammates....


Ummm, the excuse making for some behaviors borders on a parent enabling a child. Beckham is not the most stable individual and if he were acting like that on any other team 95% of BBi would be ripping the guy.

come on man!
RE: RE: I think his biggest issue is  
montanagiant : 10/12/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14123947 ajr2456 said:
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Barkley stealing his thunder and doing so without the diva BS.



Except they're best friends.

So are you saying friends can't be jealous of each other? Lol it happens every single day in this world
RE: so last night  
jvm52106 : 10/12/2018 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14123797 hitdog42 said:
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he got an IV- which he needs- and is a non event to everyone but the freak media and those that criticize media unless it fits their narrative.
and got pssd on the sidelines-- doing nothing to affect his play.

why today is this a hot topic pls?
if you dont like the cap allocation.. fine... if you think from the past... hes a bad egg... fine... but last night was a big fat nothing---


Ummm, I have never seen a guy do less in a half, when it is rainy and damp, who needs an IV. You can call it whatever you want, that is still an issue. Go watch the first half of the opening Monday night game in 1989 with the Gmen at the Skins. LT was a demon the first half. As the half ended he looked exhausted. He needed an IV at half. Beckham has needed an IV two weeks in a row while doing minimal work. Come on, that is a fucking issue!
Well it doesn’t matter  
NikkiMac : 10/12/2018 12:11 pm : link
what we think because it looks to me that the head coach is starting to tire of OBJ’s antics and he didn’t approve of the head butting the fan ....it’s only a matter of time DG is going to trade him imo and I don’t think OBJ minds .......if it was me I’d send him to Cleveland .....
RE: Well it doesn’t matter  
ajr2456 : 10/12/2018 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14124321 NikkiMac said:
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what we think because it looks to me that the head coach is starting to tire of OBJ’s antics and he didn’t approve of the head butting the fan ....it’s only a matter of time DG is going to trade him imo and I don’t think OBJ minds .......if it was me I’d send him to Cleveland .....


Shurmur didn’t even comment on the fan. If only they tired of Eli’s as fast as they tired on a top 2 player on this team
He's mentally ill  
arniefez : 10/12/2018 12:32 pm : link
he has serious emotional issues. No different than TO or Dez Bryant. He's never going to change and like TO and Dez Bryant once his play slips from elite to near average he'll be out of the league. No team would put up with this crap from an average player.
Sorry watch Shurmur interview again  
NikkiMac : 10/12/2018 12:33 pm : link
He sure did he answered with a stern “he shouldn’t be doing that “
RE: He's mentally ill  
ron mexico : 10/12/2018 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14124399 arniefez said:
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he has serious emotional issues. No different than TO or Dez Bryant. He's never going to change and like TO and Dez Bryant once his play slips from elite to near average he'll be out of the league. No team would put up with this crap from an average player.


TO played for 15 years, had 16,00 recieving yards and 153 TDs. I'll take that even with the occasional sideline frakout



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