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Gettleman used up 173 out of 177 million in 2018 cap space

sxdxca : 10/12/2018 10:39 am
Hmmm some are saying that the Giants were never in a win now mode. That 50% of the roster is new, so that shows it was always a rebuild...Really?

Is that an accurate statement?

Lets see what the facts are...

Gettleman traded away the Giants 4th and 6th round picks THIS YEAR, for LB Alec Ogletree. They also took on his 42 million dollar contract.

Gettleman traded away the Giants 2019 3rd round pick for CB Sam Beal.

Gettleman signed LT Nate Solder to a 5 year 62 million dollar contract.

Gettleman resigned WR Odell Beckham Jr to a 5 year 95 million dollar contract.

Gettleman signed Kareem Martin to a 3 year 15 million dollar contract

Gettleman signed OT Patrick Omameh to a 3 year 15 million dollar contract.

Gettleman used the #2 overall pick in the draft for what he believed was a generational talent at RB. 4 year 31 million dollar contract.

Also Gettleman’s decision to "adopt a win-now mentality based largely on his conviction that Eli Manning still has, and I quote "good years left", may be a fatally flawed plan."

Gettleman didn’t seem to have a conviction on any of the quarterbacks in the 2018 draft, he passed up the likes of Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen and Josh Allen after the Browns took Baker Mayfield at No. 1.

He built this year’s roster as if Manning were ready for another Super Bowl run, but the problems plaguing the team, especially on offense, make thoughts of a trip to Atlanta in February a pipe dream.

All in all, Gettleman used up 173 out of 177 million dollars in cap space the Giants had in 2018. If that doesn't say we are in a win now mode mentality, then I don't know what does.

By cutting Flowers and DRC, all that showed is that he was getting rid of old and bad players. Do not believe the posters who are saying the Giants aren't desperately trying to win now, they are delusional.

Gettleman went all in on Eli Manning, and it completely backfired on him. The Giants are in Quarterback Hell...
You posted the same shit yesterday  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 10:40 am : link
we didnt need a refresher course.
you left out the J Stewart deal  
Dave : 10/12/2018 10:42 am : link
Stewart, Omameh, and Martin were the 3 worst decisions imo
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Capt. Don : 10/12/2018 10:42 am : link
You made me agree with Dep. No small feat.
You are one weird dude...  
JCin332 : 10/12/2018 10:43 am : link
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RE: .  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 14123832 Capt. Don said:
Quote:
You made me agree with Dep. No small feat.


You'll learn to love me. Take Eli out of the equation, I am a pretty funny guy.
I wanted a QB  
UK Giants Fan : 10/12/2018 10:44 am : link
but I have no idea what more you can expect from Barkley. That Kid is special, he is exciting everytime he has the ball.

Whoever our next qb is, his life will be made much easier by having SB

I think he overpaid Solder but couldnt ignore the o-line problem and was the only big named guy we could sign. He wouldve been more slated for not signing solder (regardless of how he played on a different team).
this is a stupid post  
japanhead : 10/12/2018 10:45 am : link
the giants might be drafting in the top 2 again. if so, they are in position to take the best quarterback available. signing omameh and cutting jerry looks like it might've been a marginal and unnecessary move, but if jerry was part of the culture problem, the move makes sense. a lot of people were down on the stewart signing, which looks like a mistake now that he's on IR, but he was fine in limited action in the first 2 games. using available cap resources to improve the team is not a strike against the GM. i am also fine with him taking barkley in the first. at the time i was a proponent of them taking darnold/allen/rosen or trading the pick and collecting OL.. but after seeing barkley through 6 weeks of the season i've re-thought that.. gettleman will be fine.
I'm not  
UK Giants Fan : 10/12/2018 10:45 am : link
sure you can say he wasted a 3rd round pick next year on Sam Beale. He will just be a our 3rd round pick next year effectively but have a year in the nfl learning
I agree  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2018 10:45 am : link
your posts are comical...
I wanted Baker or Barkley  
NYG007 : 10/12/2018 10:47 am : link
We only got a shot at Barkley. I love our pick. I also love that we'll get the #1 or #2 QB next draft. I think Hebert is a better version of Baker.

We can have 30-65m in cap room easily by moving on from bad players next season.

That's enough to find a decent NFL C, RG, RT and CB.

We are NOT in qb hell. We are in Barkley, OBJ - two all world talents and a young QB fun to watch future vs a hell for rest of this season.
Great  
Jay on the Island : 10/12/2018 10:50 am : link
Why no mention of the horrific team he inherited? You know the one that saw Bobby Hart, Ereck Flowers, John Jerry, Jonathan Casillas, Orleans Darkwa, Roger Lewis, Brett Jones, Darian Thompson, Keenan Robinson, Brad Wing, Andrew Adams, Jay Bromley, Tavarres King, types start?
Utter armchair QB nonsense  
rich in DC : 10/12/2018 10:51 am : link
The ONLY contract signed this past winter that can't/won't be cut at the end of this season is Solder's. The rationale for that contract was simple- there are only so many competent LT available in the NFL- look how long the Giants have failed there. They went for a guy who was on the best run, most successful franchise.

It would not have mattered WHO the Giants signed with the #2 overall pick- that player would have received almost the same contract due to the NFL pick slotting system- so that complaint is utter nonsense.

The cap numbers are nonsense too- almost all of it tied up in Eli and other contracts that the Giants could not drop last off-season. The cap hit would have been too large and they would have had even more holes than they do not. That will be corrected this coming off-season.

In fact, except for OBJ, Solder and Barkley, there is no one on the roster who cannot be cut financially this off-season.

That means that the Giants can, and most likely will, cut ties with Eli, Vernon, Jenkins, Snacks, Omameh, Ogletree, and numerous other vets. It just was not financially possible under the cap to absorb the accelerated bonuses last off-season for those players- so they cut the ones they could afford and will finish the job this off-season.

Again, not a true statement in the screed above.
RE: you left out the J Stewart deal  
gmenatlarge : 10/12/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 14123829 Dave said:
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Stewart, Omameh, and Martin were the 3 worst decisions imo


The Solder signing isn’t looking much better, he has been awful!
RE: Utter armchair QB nonsense  
gmenatlarge : 10/12/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 14123899 rich in DC said:
Quote:
The ONLY contract signed this past winter that can't/won't be cut at the end of this season is Solder's. The rationale for that contract was simple- there are only so many competent LT available in the NFL- look how long the Giants have failed there. They went for a guy who was on the best run, most successful franchise.

It would not have mattered WHO the Giants signed with the #2 overall pick- that player would have received almost the same contract due to the NFL pick slotting system- so that complaint is utter nonsense.

The cap numbers are nonsense too- almost all of it tied up in Eli and other contracts that the Giants could not drop last off-season. The cap hit would have been too large and they would have had even more holes than they do not. That will be corrected this coming off-season.

In fact, except for OBJ, Solder and Barkley, there is no one on the roster who cannot be cut financially this off-season.

That means that the Giants can, and most likely will, cut ties with Eli, Vernon, Jenkins, Snacks, Omameh, Ogletree, and numerous other vets. It just was not financially possible under the cap to absorb the accelerated bonuses last off-season for those players- so they cut the ones they could afford and will finish the job this off-season.

Again, not a true statement in the screed above.


So they will just need to replace QB DE CB DT RG and MlLB, not to mention RT WR FS AND OC, piece of cake! Nice job, Brownie!
Agree with the OP  
Marty866b : 10/12/2018 11:09 am : link
Gettleman inherited an awful team and hasn't made it any better. At least last year's team had an excuse with so many injuries. Can this team be worse then last year? Maybe.
We have a generational talent at RB  
Beer Man : 10/12/2018 11:23 am : link
So STFU about the draft. As being in QB hell, the QB of the future may not be on the team right now, but this team was so bad to start with that it was never going to be fixed (or back to respectable) in one off-season. Its not like there won't be another chance this year to draft the next franchise QB hopeful (the team will probably be picking top five again). There are several very good QBs entering the 2019 draft; hopefully the team can grab one and still grab a decent RG/RT. As for Eli, IMO he will either be cut or take a salary cut next year as his $23M cap is too high to carry into 2019 given his current performance (if the team cuts Eli after the season, they save $17M against the 2019 cap, with $6.2M in dead cap)
How is drafting Sam Beal a "win now" move?  
Section331 : 10/12/2018 11:28 am : link
DG said after the supplemental that he didn't expect Beal to contribute much this year, but that they had a 1st round grade on him. Trading a 3rd for a 1st sounds like a good deal, no?

As for the others, he needed players. Omameh was a massive overpay, but the others are defensible. I think DG's plan was to rebuild while still remaining competitive. It hasn't worked out as planned, but it was defensible.
I wanted a Qb  
Carl in CT : 10/12/2018 11:39 am : link
I didn’t want one of those three Qb’s over Barkley. If anyone did I think you would have made a mistake. Is Barkley the best back in football? With that OL we have you can make a case by saying yes.
He might have gotten away with it.  
Dave on the UWS : 10/12/2018 11:42 am : link
had two things happened.
1. the OL been able to play at a higher level
2. Eli not been toast.
Dear OP,  
DonQuixote : 10/12/2018 11:49 am : link
You do understand that all teams MUST spend at least 89% of their salary cap, which means they had to "use up" $158 million. What is wrong with "using up" salary money? It's not like you can stow it away...
I'm more concerned if there is a plan moving forward  
moespree : 10/12/2018 11:59 am : link
Gettleman walked in the door talking up smash mouth football and a return to old way the Giants used to play. Then the franchise turns around about a month later and hires Shurmur who run an entirely different style to that, and has been influenced by some of the same people who influenced McAdoo.

This doesn't inspire great confidence that there is a plan in place.
RE: I'm not  
TMS : 10/12/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14123857 UK Giants Fan said:
Quote:
sure you can say he wasted a 3rd round pick next year on Sam Beale. He will just be a our 3rd round pick next year effectively but have a year in the nfl learning
Sounds right but some here see everything in the negative, Thats what losing does to a fan base.
173 million is misleading  
SJGiant : 10/12/2018 1:32 pm : link
if you think Gettlemen makes no moves next year. According to OTC, here are some cap savings, if Gettlemen makes the cuts next year:
Eli: Save $17 million
Vernon: Save $11.5 million
Jenkins: Save $7.75 million
Ogeltree: Save $6.5 million
Snacks: Save $5.4 million
Omaneh: Save $3.15 million
Ellison: Save $3.25 million

I am not advocating cutting all these people. I also realize that your dead cap space will go through the roof. BUT, you have choices to make as a GM.



OTC cap NY Giants 2019 - ( New Window )
Solder  
Rong5611 : 10/12/2018 1:37 pm : link
Everyone is bitching about Solder, what alternative did we have? Ereck Flowers? Wheeler?

At least there is some stability at LT. He's not awful. It could be worse (see above).
Your research really sux.  
Diver_Down : 10/12/2018 1:39 pm : link
Very convenient that you didn't mention that DG had to eat the craptastic JPP contract.
RE: 173 million is misleading  
SJGiant : 10/12/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14124688 SJGiant said:
Quote:
if you think Gettlemen makes no moves next year. According to OTC, here are some cap savings, if Gettlemen makes the cuts next year:
Eli: Save $17 million
Vernon: Save $11.5 million
Jenkins: Save $7.75 million
Ogeltree: Save $6.5 million
Snacks: Save $5.4 million
Omaneh: Save $3.15 million
Ellison: Save $3.25 million

I am not advocating cutting all these people. I also realize that your dead cap space will go through the roof. BUT, you have choices to make as a GM.

OTC cap NY Giants 2019 - ( New Window )


My mistake. I thought you were referencing 2019 cap space.
RE: you left out the J Stewart deal  
TommyWiseau : 10/12/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14123829 Dave said:
Quote:
Stewart, Omameh, and Martin were the 3 worst decisions imo


And for the price of these 3 bums we could have signed Norwell.
RE: this is a stupid post  
kelsto811 : 10/12/2018 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14123853 japanhead said:
Quote:
the giants might be drafting in the top 2 again. if so, they are in position to take the best quarterback available. signing omameh and cutting jerry looks like it might've been a marginal and unnecessary move, but if jerry was part of the culture problem, the move makes sense. a lot of people were down on the stewart signing, which looks like a mistake now that he's on IR, but he was fine in limited action in the first 2 games. using available cap resources to improve the team is not a strike against the GM. i am also fine with him taking barkley in the first. at the time i was a proponent of them taking darnold/allen/rosen or trading the pick and collecting OL.. but after seeing barkley through 6 weeks of the season i've re-thought that.. gettleman will be fine.


And what if the Giants feel that there's no franchise QB's? We are forced to pick one anyway. A rebuild strategy should have been planned years ago to avoid that situation imo.
Do you..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/12/2018 5:03 pm : link
really want to keep exposing that you think using the available cap space is bad??
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