Too late to trade Eli (with his permission)?

I don't think we could work it from a cap perspective, as his cap hit would accelerate and we don't have much space left.

Eli and Flowers reunited with Coughlin in JAX

That would trade anything for Eli and take on that $23 mil cap hit for half a season.

I was thinking the same thing this a.m.

What teams would be takers?

Jacksonville, Miami, Dallas? Yes Dallas. They have a good oline and he's a great fit there with Garrett. Would come back to haunt us though....Mara would never trade him there.

3+ years ago. Giants could have focused on a rebuild, and he could have gone to a situation that gave him a chance to succeed.

In comment 14123859 jcn56 said:

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I don't think we could work it from a cap perspective, as his cap hit would accelerate and we don't have much space left.

We'd have to free >$2M in cap space. The Jags though actually do have enough space to fit Eli in, despite just giving Bortles a huge deal.

Never happening though.

In comment 14123877 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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3+ years ago. Giants could have focused on a rebuild, and he could have gone to a situation that gave him a chance to succeed.

Even before this season. IF the FO did the analysis and figured it would take some time to turn this around, they should have known that they wouldn't be able to make the changes Eli needed to be successful in what time he had remaining.

For both the sake of the team and Eli, they should have tried to move him.

send him to Jacksonville.

and I'm typically surprised by compensation for players.

But here's something. Can we call it a benchmark? Not quite the same scenario, but ...

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Joe Montana, who helped the 49ers win four Super Bowls and was urged by fans to run for mayor, is officially leaving San Francisco. Tonight, the 49ers traded the 36-year-old quarterback -- along with safety David Whitmore and a 1994 third-round draft pick -- to Kansas City for the Chiefs' first-round selection (the 18th over all) in the National Football League draft on Sunday.

I don't think Eli + a player + a third gets a first.

But what about Eli + a player (the other Eli) and next year's second?

If he went to Jacksonville, could we pencil in having a top-3 pick, plus another pick in the 27-32 range? Would folks be OK with not having a second, then?

Again, might be outside the realm of possibility. Just tossing it against the wall, especially when you'd think if anyone out there might be attracted to having Eli in the fold, it MIGHT be TC.

totally trash a guy, tell the world how bad he is and then want to trade him once they have destroyed any possible market value.

Eli is done. No one wants an expensive 37 year old, even as a backup. The best thing for him and the Giants is if he retires before the next game. At least leave with some dignity while he still has a winning record.

is trading for Eli. This is an example of fans overvaluing their assets. The league knows he's done.

I’m trying to get him out of NY before the trade deadline. This has become as ugly as it can possibly get. I’m now convinced he’ll be taken off the field in a stretcher if he stays.

Taken off the field like that, I couldn’t stomach the fans cheering

SF would be his best bet. That's a team with some weapons and a better OL. In addition, since they have a QB for next year, they could cut him with minimal consequences in the off-season, allowing Eli to choose a team in 2019.

SF has more than enough cap space available, if they want to make a deal.

Also, remember that as a post June 1 trade, the cap hit is actually not that large. There is the pro-rated $6.2M bonus- but the 2019 roster bonus doesn't count until he is on the roster by the 3rd day of the 2019 season- which would not happen in SF.

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I’m trying to get him out of NY before the trade deadline. This has become as ugly as it can possibly get. I’m now convinced he’ll be taken off the field in a stretcher if he stays.

Ugh his market trade value is pretty bad right now. I would try to get him out before it has hit absolute rock bottom which is castle approaching.

there is demand for an immobile guy who plays too scared to hang in to get the ball downfield and often throws lawn darts on short passes, at a 20mm+ price tag no less

Bortles isn't nearly as bad as people make him out. He's actually the perfect QB for their style of play, which is why TC resigned him to a big deal.

Eli would ply the Cowboys in Dallas on Sunday
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Solid oline, big talented receivers, good PA with Fournette.

would take him?

to take on Eli and his salary. I don't think at this moment that you can make a compelling argument that Eli is an upgrade from Blake Bortles or Ryan Tannehill. Said another way, I don't think any team would see Eli as the missing championship piece.

My guess was if a team felt he was an upgrade, a very late round pick like a 6 or 7.

He knows he is done, He has made a ton of money is healthy and respected. Time to move on.

In comment 14123870 Sonic Youth said:

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That would trade anything for Eli and take on that $23 mil cap hit for half a season.

A team trading for Eli only is on the hook for his salary. So it would be whatever prorated portion of his 10.5M salary is at the time of the trade.

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Bortles isn't nearly as bad as people make him out. He's actually the perfect QB for their style of play, which is why TC resigned him to a big deal.

Bortles sucks.

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would take him?

Exactly. Right now he wouldn’t beat out any of the starters for any contending team.

if a team drafts a rookie QB and wants someone to start for a year and mentor while that guy develops. He isn't being brought in to win a championship.

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That would trade anything for Eli and take on that $23 mil cap hit for half a season.

+1

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In comment 14123949 mittenedman said: Quote: Bortles isn't nearly as bad as people make him out. He's actually the perfect QB for their style of play, which is why TC resigned him to a big deal. Bortles sucks.

as much as it pains me to say it - I rather have him than Eli right now

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In comment 14123949 mittenedman said: Quote: Bortles isn't nearly as bad as people make him out. He's actually the perfect QB for their style of play, which is why TC resigned him to a big deal. Bortles sucks.

Bortles sucks but at least he can move. And his OL is not that great either.

as Eli sucks.

Just like every team in the league, the Jags OL struggles to protect Bortles. But he uses escapability to extend plays and even run with the ball.

That's the new NFL.

I don't like it, but it's true. Eli would fail miserably there, as he would any other team in the league at this point. He's a dinosaur. The game has changed and as Aikman said last night it's not very fun to watch anymore.

This is the first time I've agreed the league is in big trouble. The brand of football is not what made the game great. Aikman had his "fuck this" moment when Ogletree got called for the late hit. He flat out said "they're taking the fun out of this".

The NFL doesn't want their color commentators saying this, but it's 100% true.

Not one. Maybe if Brady gets hurt this weekend? Literally the only scenario I can think of where the First Takes of the world would even bother speculating about a trade. And they speculate about everything.

rather than a year too early.

He is not an NFL level QB anymore.

for perhaps getting a decent return has come and gone. Given his contract and recent play, he has negative value right now. Always better to trade a guy a year early...

Even if you want to argue that it's a lateral move or slight upgrade for the Jags (you'd be wrong), no first place team is making such a drastic move midseason. Especially when the incumbent has been okay and appears to have the respect and support of his teammates.

Stop needing that to be true just because some of you guys are trashing him relentlessly. It doesn’t mean he’s trash and it definitely doesn’t mean that the league agrees with all the garbage that’s being said about him out there. It’s pure garbage. If Bortles gets injured, you don’t think Coughlin is making that call in a nanosecond? Any other team with a decent Oline but a QB that doesn’t have Eli’s experience or talent, you don’t think they’re calling? They are.

why would jax?
they lost their Left tackle... are built on defense and running--- and a mobile QB that can extend some drives.
Eli would be horrible for them now

The batted passes alone thanks to that windup of his is enough to drive any Jags fan crazy

He has a no trade clause, but let him and his agent find the right partner. Jax, den, minny, they could have engineered a move beneficial for all.

why would anybody want him..he has that ken Obrien/jay Schroeder/david carr shell shocked issue

only Denver apparently showed strong interest, and given they chose to sign Keenum instead, you have to question the Giants ask for Eli in trade.

Just stop. Even without the cap hit, what has he shown over the past season plus that makes him worth giving up an asset?

Put it this way, if NYG could afford to put Eli on waivers, would any team claim him (and assume the cap hit)? I doubt it. If he passed through waivers, sure, teams would look into it, but no one is taking on that contract.

He thinks the Jags could also take on Eli’s contract. Said they don’t trust Bortles, that they are a SB team and are only missing the QB. You get Eli in there reunited with Coughlin and it’s enough to make Giants fans want to vomit. But so be it. I’m sick of seeing this great Giant get destroyed from all corners.

They must have actually watched last night's game instead of Eli's 2011 highlight reel.

with no LT, and a offense that benefits from a mobile QB--- im srry--- not the case.

2012 eli- lots of suitors- 2014 eli- a handful
2017- maybe 1
2018- zero

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They must have actually watched last night's game instead of Eli's 2011 highlight reel.

And you wanna know why BBI sucks.

Example A. Reveling in the demise of a player/team is just being a shitty fan. There are a lot of them here.

Contender loses starter with minimal backup
Good OL
Cap space
All this leads to Jacksonville but who wants their QB to suffer a season-ending injury?

Slim and None and Slim left town

hes a very expensive statue.

I agree that the un-warranted bashing of him is way over the
top he had next to zero help with the exception of a phenom
named Barley who put on a show last night with very little
help in the blocking department .
If your gonna get anything for Eli its gonna take another
player to go along with him . Someone mentioned Apple
I would counter that with Collins .

I think he would get the same interest as Flowers.

You hope.

it is not happening. He will just retire when it is over.

That being said, the Jags are having issues with Bortles and Tom is there.

Get real. No team is taking on that salary and giving a pick.

....it's good that we can maintain some levity in these dark times...

and if Francesa thinks so, he should re-retire.

Not sure about the retiring next year if he’s cut, part. I could see Peyton and others urging him to go to another team and even making some phone calls to help things along.

is significantly better than Eli at this point.

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But anyone who thinks the Giants can trade Eli doesn't understand the business of the NFL.

this past off-season. But however much there may have been, I think there is significantly less now. If a team thinks it needs a QB upgrade to win, I don't see it viewing Eli Manning as the answer. If it wants an experienced vet to keep a seat warm and mentor someone younger, I don't think it would give up anything material for that, especially with a big salary.