that was a tweet I read last night from someone on twitter. I forget who it was, a national guy or a beat writer, but it wasn't a fan.
I thought about it for a minute and it actually made me feel better about the future.
6 games in to his career I have no qualms or homerism IMO with saying Barkley is the best RB in the NFL.
Just on the broadcast last night Aikman compared him with Barry Sanders and Earl Campbell. Think about that. He has the best combination of speed, elusiveness, strength and power I've ever seen in a RB - he's Bo Jackson IMO. He's like a Marshall Faulk but more powerful and maybe faster (if you can believe that).
and Beckham is, well we know, he's one of the best wide receivers in the league. I ignore the histrionics or emotion because it's at the point now where he's being stalked on the sidelines seeing what he'll do next. Not making excuses, I know some people on here focus on it, I'm saying I don't care about his outbursts.
It's obvious Barkley is or is soon to be the leader of this team.
A couple years ago fans were worried we were "wasting Eli's prime" and now I think it's shifted and you have to hope we're not going to waste Beckham and Barkley's prime.
This isn't a bash Eli thread, it's more of a thread that the Giants are not in the dire straits people think, I believe this is fixable, and quickly fixable (the offense at least), and should be fixable this off-season.
Christ almighty........
I'm actually optimistic for the future. DG gets a scheme fit guy for Scurmur in Lauletta, we've got plenty of weapons for a WCO, and draft Bosa and a quality RT 2nd round in a deep T draft baby!
Right now, this team should not be *this* bad. I'm not suggesting they should be some unstoppable force, but they shouldn't be this bad.
Either way, it takes time to rebuild and fans need to get a hold of themselves and find some patience.
phew....i was worried about you for a second LOL
Either way, it takes time to rebuild and fans need to get a hold of themselves and find some patience.
I think people will find some patience when they see some more evidence of management/ownership really leaning into a rebuild. Relates back to comments you’ve made elsewhere about doing things a year early as opposed to a year late.
so doesn't that make you feel better about the future. Beckham is locked in, Barkley is a rookie. Hernandez is a rookie. they need a couple OL and s QB (on offense).
I think this is more fixable than others I guess.
How is it incomprehensible? The entire OL is new, and half of the roster was replaced. The drafts have been awful and the team is paying the price. It's a team game.
Back when the Giants main offensive threats were Shockey, Tiki, and Toomer, it worked b/c the OL could block. And Eli was younger. And the defense had Strahan.
With all the offense friendly rule changes over the past few years, the league has record points scoring - no excuses to put up less than 20 points per game when you have a lambo and Ferrari on offense (and while we don’t have the cowboys offensive line it’s not as awful as some make it out to be)
Not when you can't control the LOS.
Barkley is getting a lot of these yards mostly on his own.
Even last night...he ran wild. But did we really control the LOS? How many times did we go play action?
With all the offense friendly rule changes over the past few years, the league has record points scoring - no excuses to put up less than 20 points per game when you have a lambo and Ferrari on offense (and while we don’t have the cowboys offensive line it’s not as awful as some make it out to be)
Yeah our offensive line isn’t that bad. You’re a troll at this point.
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this is what I've been harping on for the last few weeks. It's almost incomprehensible.
How is it incomprehensible? The entire OL is new, and half of the roster was replaced. The drafts have been awful and the team is paying the price. It's a team game.
Back when the Giants main offensive threats were Shockey, Tiki, and Toomer, it worked b/c the OL could block. And Eli was younger. And the defense had Strahan.
that's some slight revisionist history. In 2004 (with Tiki, Shockey, and Toomer) the Giants had and I quote many "the worst OL in the NFL"
Seubert returning (2006/2007 really) and McKenzie signing "fixed" the OL and they (and this is key) played a then record 34 consecutive games together with the same OL configuration (maybe still a record).
that's why I said a couple OL and a QB and the Giants could be back on track (on offense).
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this is what I've been harping on for the last few weeks. It's almost incomprehensible.
Not when you can't control the LOS.
Barkley is getting a lot of these yards mostly on his own.
Even last night...he ran wild. But did we really control the LOS? How many times did we go play action?
There are crap offensive lines all over this league. And Manning has fallen off a cliff. But to have those two and struggle to score 20 points in a game is absurd.
We were a better offense with Dave Brown at QB and Charles Way being our best "skill" player.
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but it's also really difficult to rebuild an NFL roster when you choose to hang onto the older QB.
Either way, it takes time to rebuild and fans need to get a hold of themselves and find some patience.
I think people will find some patience when they see some more evidence of management/ownership really leaning into a rebuild. Relates back to comments you’ve made elsewhere about doing things a year early as opposed to a year late.
I get it. Other than Eli, the rebuild is underway. No matter how they dressed the pig last offseason, it's in progress minus a blue chip QB prospect.
I'm as annoyed as anyone here they chose to stick with Eli. But in contrast, the rookie is going to suffer too, so we have to ride out the time they need to get draft picks and UFAs onboard, regardless of who the QB is.
Stupid Aikman. Imagine SB running behind that Dallas oline.
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to Emmitt at one point.
Stupid Aikman. Imagine SB running behind that Dallas oline.
Yeah, what does Aikman know about football anyway!
But then he also said he believes the Giants have zero regrets, nor would he with that decision since he felt it meant the Giants did not believe Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Jackson were franchise QB's.
And now we're rehashing Barkley vs Darnold which I don't care to do. Giants are where they are. Looking forward is the only way out.
Well, we have a bunch of other bad players who need to be improved upon, on both sides of the ball.
I mean...
If they drafted Darnold (or another QB) they would still have the same W-L record. But they gained a true generational talent.
As far as Eli:
He did not have Engram or Ellison last night. That got rid of a security blanket and an additional blocker. Eli was bad, I'm not excusing that. I'm noticing that he doesn't trust what he sees down the field, is that a happy feet problem or a OL issue I cannot answer. I do believe that if the OL was better Eli is more than capable. That being said Eli is Eli - you take the really good with the really bad.
The coaching staff:
I do not know what to make of Shurmur, I do think he is limited by the basic talent of the team. Solder is better than Flowers but VASTLY overpaid, Jenkins seems like he is back to his Ram days where he is trying to jump routes to make a big play and getting burned.
Shurmur is supposed to be an offensive genius but I have a feeling he misses his OL coach from Minnesota. Is he another Mcadoo?? Time will tell which is a very scary thought
The team:
The team seemed to quit last night. The defense seemed to be demoralized (can you blame them?) We are all professional at what we do, all of us let our emotions impact our work lives, players do as well.
The future:
I'm in the camp that says find out what you have in Lauletta and plan on trading for or drafting a QB next year and getting more OL help. The team needs to win as winning cures a lot of bad play.
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this is what I've been harping on for the last few weeks. It's almost incomprehensible.
so doesn't that make you feel better about the future. Beckham is locked in, Barkley is a rookie. Hernandez is a rookie. they need a couple OL and s QB (on offense).
I think this is more fixable than others I guess.
It is definitely fixable. I've seen a perpetually dismal franchise I never had hope for become a powerhouse (the Warriors) after acquiring a transcendental talent or two, changing the culture, taking some risks, and making great hires.
Unfortunately, I doubt we will change ownership like they did. But just a few key correct moves can swing our entire fate.
2) Take steps toward fixing the line (Hernandez)
3) Purge the cancers off the team
4) Work towards fixing the line in the off season
5) Grab a QB in the 2019 draft
6) Ride it out with Eli until 2020
7) Eli retires, the Rookie takes over
This ensures that we not only build the team around Barkley but do so in a timely fashion. Can you imagine this kid with an actual decent line?
I honestly think the only QB they wanted was Mayfield and when he got drafted first they went with SB. Either way the main priority is fixing the damn line and that is going to take another off season and draft at the very least
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this is what I've been harping on for the last few weeks. It's almost incomprehensible.
How is it incomprehensible? The entire OL is new, and half of the roster was replaced. The drafts have been awful and the team is paying the price. It's a team game.
Back when the Giants main offensive threats were Shockey, Tiki, and Toomer, it worked b/c the OL could block. And Eli was younger. And the defense had Strahan.
that's some slight revisionist history. In 2004 (with Tiki, Shockey, and Toomer) the Giants had and I quote many "the worst OL in the NFL"
Seubert returning (2006/2007 really) and McKenzie signing "fixed" the OL and they (and this is key) played a then record 34 consecutive games together with the same OL configuration (maybe still a record).
that's why I said a couple OL and a QB and the Giants could be back on track (on offense).
I agree with you on the OL, I was trying to make the point that the problems have to do with having 3/5th of an OL line that isn't good and needs to be replaced, and not with having playmakers.
Although Solder's performance last night was troubling to say the least.
There are crap offensive lines all over this league. And Manning has fallen off a cliff. But to have those two and struggle to score 20 points in a game is absurd.
We were a better offense with Dave Brown at QB and Charles Way being our best "skill" player.
Please. We were absolutely not better with Dave Brown. He was the worst QB I've ever seen in a Giants uniform.
And the OL blocking has a major impact on the Giants' ability to convert on third downs -- which accounts for the poor red zone production last night. If the Giants score on the two drives in the red zone it would have been a completely different game at 14-14. But they didn't convert, and when the Eagles scored it went to 21-6. Of course, it didn't help that after SB was gashing the Eagles Shurmur put in Gallman. That was a terrible decision by Shurmur last night.
The Giants' OL is one of the worst in the league right now. And Eli falling off of a cliff has a major impact on the entire O.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/index.htm - ( New Window )
Just proves how terrible the rest of the team is.
And, unfortunately at this stage of his career, Eli.
In 1993 under Reeves, with Simms as QB, the Giants were 10th in yards, 18th in points. In 1994 under Reeves, with Brown as QB, they were 28th in yards. That went to 29th in 1995 and 30th in 1996, and point rankings went down each year (22nd to 24th to 28th).
I don't dispute that the O sucks right now but it was not better with Dave Brown. And Brown actually got worse and worse as he had more experience.
The Eagles DL were pressuring Eli all game long, and Eli under pressure has been happening for a long time now. How can the skill players develop a play when the QB has no time to make a good decision?
Either way, it takes time to rebuild and fans need to get a hold of themselves and find some patience.
I totally agree. Fortunately the state of affairs in football now it's a lot easier to get that qb. We got the generational player in Barkley. Drafting a halfway decent qb shouldn't be tough. Everyone looking to kill Shurmur and Gettleman need to get a grip. This is a process.
If they drafted Darnold (or another QB) they would still have the same W-L record. But they gained a true generational talent.
As far as Eli:
He did not have Engram or Ellison last night. That got rid of a security blanket and an additional blocker. Eli was bad, I'm not excusing that. I'm noticing that he doesn't trust what he sees down the field, is that a happy feet problem or a OL issue I cannot answer. I do believe that if the OL was better Eli is more than capable. That being said Eli is Eli - you take the really good with the really bad.
The coaching staff:
I do not know what to make of Shurmur, I do think he is limited by the basic talent of the team. Solder is better than Flowers but VASTLY overpaid, Jenkins seems like he is back to his Ram days where he is trying to jump routes to make a big play and getting burned.
Shurmur is supposed to be an offensive genius but I have a feeling he misses his OL coach from Minnesota. Is he another Mcadoo?? Time will tell which is a very scary thought
The team:
The team seemed to quit last night. The defense seemed to be demoralized (can you blame them?) We are all professional at what we do, all of us let our emotions impact our work lives, players do as well.
The future:
I'm in the camp that says find out what you have in Lauletta and plan on trading for or drafting a QB next year and getting more OL help. The team needs to win as winning cures a lot of bad play.
This is a good post
I hated Reeves. And Brown sucked. But the productivity of our offense now is certainly in the Dave Brown-era ballpark right now from a statistical standpoint. And we're in an era where all other teams are lighting up the scoreboard.
We are REALLY, REALLY bad on offense.
Either way, it takes time to rebuild and fans need to get a hold of themselves and find some patience.
Oh fans around here love the word 'patience'