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My plea to the Giants, Get Lauletta reps now

JOrthman : 10/12/2018 11:33 am
I think we can all agree this ship is sinking fast and barring a miracle the season is done. That being said we do not need a repeat of last year. Start getting Lauletta reps in practice now. We need to know what we have in him and if we do in fact need to get a QB next year.
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dep  
LG in NYC : 10/12/2018 1:10 pm : link
I actually think most people would be patient with a young 1st or 2nd year QB. we can generally accept INT's and inconsistent play from a rookie who we think is building towards something good.

Less patience for those things from a 15 year vet who is costing $23m against the cap.
RE: Jon C  
JonC : 10/12/2018 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14124525 LG in NYC said:
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did the Patriots know what they had in Brady when they were trotting Bledsoe out there every game until he got hurt?

Obviously not suggesting KL is Brady but I am not buying that just b/c KL isn't starting, it is due solely to his play. There are plenty of other factors in play, much of which likely has little to do with football.


I'll stick with the rule rather than exception. Again, not saying don't play him but rather it's not a huge consideration, nor will it preclude them from drafting one high if they covet one.
I'm all for whatever gives them the best chance to lose  
arniefez : 10/12/2018 1:17 pm : link
play the rookie at QB. Trade as many vets as possible for draft picks. The Eli window is closed time to start over.
RE: dep  
ron mexico : 10/12/2018 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14124595 LG in NYC said:
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I actually think most people would be patient with a young 1st or 2nd year QB. we can generally accept INT's and inconsistent play from a rookie who we think is building towards something good.

Less patience for those things from a 15 year vet who is costing $23m against the cap.


I believe this to be true as well
RE: dep  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14124595 LG in NYC said:
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I actually think most people would be patient with a young 1st or 2nd year QB. we can generally accept INT's and inconsistent play from a rookie who we think is building towards something good.

Less patience for those things from a 15 year vet who is costing $23m against the cap.


The one thing I learned is that fans (well majority of fans) are not patient. Those who see the big picture need patience, but you and I both know the talking heads of ESPN and other media outlets will pile on no matter what.

I can see it with Lauletta already - weak arm, small school, 4th round. Not big enough. blah blah.

Herbert - Robotic, bad arm motion, came from crappy system... blah blah blah.

Unless a QB wins, they will always be ripped. I mean look at what BBI'ers do to the 2018 class- and we dont even root for those teams!

It just really, really sucks being a Giants fan right now. We have an all-timer at the end of his career, no plan really in place, a lot of malcontents. Sigh.
RE: RE: Lauletta isn't likely to  
ron mexico : 10/12/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14124283 AcidTest said:
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nor preclude them from drafting a QB next April.

This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.



Agreed. But we can't make the same mistake we did with Webb. Lauletta likely isn't Eli's successor, but we need to see him in real games before we go into the offseason with what will presumably be another top five pick. I'd like to see him in five or six games.


Even if he is not the successor, getting him real experience would go a long way to feeling comfortable having him take over the back up role long term.

RE: Just remember  
giants#1 : 10/12/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14124518 dep026 said:
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replacing one problem doesnt mean the other major ones are fixed too.


No but it could improve that one problem. It also helps the team make a long term evaluation to determine if QB is a need in next years draft.
RE: RE: Just remember  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14124667 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14124518 dep026 said:


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replacing one problem doesnt mean the other major ones are fixed too.



No but it could improve that one problem. It also helps the team make a long term evaluation to determine if QB is a need in next years draft.


If Lauletta plays, it will NOT affect whether or not we take Herbert. NONE whatsoever.
RE: Acid  
AcidTest : 10/12/2018 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14124454 JonC said:
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Much like Webb last offseason, they will have a good idea of what they've got in Lauletta. His presence won't preclude them from drafting a QB high, should they want to do so.

Again, not saying he doesn't need to play, it's just it's more urgent in the eyes of the fans than the professionals who work with him every day.


Unless Lauletta is unbelievable in at least four or five games, there is no way his presence should prevent the Giants from drafting a QB. And even that might not be enough. I have said that I don't think he's Eli's long term successor. But I do think he needs to play at some point this year. It was a mistake not to play Webb at the end of last season.
They won't sit him unless he gets hurt  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/12/2018 1:45 pm : link
If they sit him before is akin to them saying, WE FUCKED UP. WE THOUGHT HE COULD SUCCEED HERE. WERE SORRY.

Its not going to happen. Eli will play the rest of 2018 and he might be here 2019.
RE: RE: RE: Just remember  
giants#1 : 10/12/2018 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14124697 dep026 said:
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replacing one problem doesnt mean the other major ones are fixed too.



No but it could improve that one problem. It also helps the team make a long term evaluation to determine if QB is a need in next years draft.



If Lauletta plays, it will NOT affect whether or not we take Herbert. NONE whatsoever.


That assumes he struggles. What if he looks like Russel Wilson (64% 195 y/g 26:10 TD:INT his rookie year)?
I don't give a flying f-ck if Lauletta...  
bw in dc : 10/12/2018 1:52 pm : link
goes 10 for 40, 80 yards, 0 TDs. I am more concerned about giving him a chance to play. And my guess is most fans, except the derelicts who can't spell LT, will understand the process and have patience.

This is the bottom line - the product with the so called experienced veteran stinks. It's putrid. So I should care if get worse?!?
RE: RE: RE: Give me a f-cking break...  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14124459 bw in dc said:
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Shurmur certainly wants to go downfield. Do you think the angry "throw the ball!" yell at Manning was some kind of coded message for "nice decision"?



now that was funny...
bw  
NewBlue : 10/12/2018 1:57 pm : link
Lauletta was picked by this staff, they need to ramp up his learning curve and get him to be the back up on this 10 day til the next game period. Who cares if they win, they can not make the play-offs (OK go 1-6 and then start)we need a shot of energy.
I will say playing Lauletta....  
BillKo : 10/12/2018 2:31 pm : link
....will increase my chances to keep watching. And give me a reason to keep going to the games.

I need the 10 day break as much as the players, this season has been frustrating..............
RE: I agree with the OP and bw states it perfectly  
JOrthman : 10/12/2018 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14124336 LG in NYC said:
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No one -- I repeat, no one -- has a freaking clue if Lauletta will be any good. He is a 4th Rd pick from a small school so the odds are against him. But was a draft pick and so, presumably this staff sees something in him.

this season is all but over and Eli's time here is (or should be) done.

I don't say the above without a fair bit of sadness but it is pretty much a fact now.

there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.

it likely has no bearing on what they will do next year in the draft but you never know.

from a pure fan entertainments standpoint, I honestly cannot stand watching another game with the same stale Offensive results. Please give fans like me something to be excited about in 2018.

Please.


Problem is, I don't think he's had any reps yet.
I don't  
Jerry in DC : 10/12/2018 7:40 pm : link
See it happening. Among the management team, Eli is probably the #2 guy after mara. I think any decision at this point goes through eli. In some ways its unfortunate that Eli is a self-interested party there because in a vacuum, you would rather have him making football decisions than gettleman. But I don't think it happens unless mara gives the directive or Eli volunteers.

I don't have huge hopes for lauletta, but I also don't think we would get much worse if he played. Our passing offense is either check down or fall down. You would think lauletta could handle the check down part and that he would fall down less frequently.
RE: I don't  
bw in dc : 10/12/2018 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14125579 Jerry in DC said:
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Our passing offense is either check down or fall down. You would think lauletta could handle the check down part and that he would fall down less frequently.


That was very well done. I just spit up my Stella...
Thank you  
Jerry in DC : 10/12/2018 7:53 pm : link
I'm using all my good material now because I should probably get back to doing actual work next week.
RE: RE: I agree with the OP and bw states it perfectly  
Eli Wilson : 10/12/2018 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14125569 JOrthman said:
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No one -- I repeat, no one -- has a freaking clue if Lauletta will be any good. He is a 4th Rd pick from a small school so the odds are against him. But was a draft pick and so, presumably this staff sees something in him.

this season is all but over and Eli's time here is (or should be) done.

I don't say the above without a fair bit of sadness but it is pretty much a fact now.

there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.

it likely has no bearing on what they will do next year in the draft but you never know.

from a pure fan entertainments standpoint, I honestly cannot stand watching another game with the same stale Offensive results. Please give fans like me something to be excited about in 2018.

Please.



Problem is, I don't think he's had any reps yet.


When Shurmur was asked today, he said Lauletta has been splitting reps with Tanney all year.
It's amazing that someone thinks it could get worse  
jcn56 : 10/13/2018 12:47 am : link
We're 1-5. What would worse be - winless the rest of the way out? Not exactly a huge drop in the production of wins.
Lauletta should be getting  
Bill in UT : 10/13/2018 1:07 am : link
mop-up duty immediately when games are out of reach either way. He should start when the Giants are out of it. No reason to dress or see Tanney at all this season unless Eli is hurt and Giants still have a shot at playoffs.
Agree 100%.  
Matt M. : 10/13/2018 2:13 am : link
I said as early as the start of camp last year that it made no sense for Webb not to be getting a ton of reps. That was not because I felt he was the future, but more because I had no idea if he was. What I did know was that Smith was certainly not. It made sense to sign him because they were coming off a very good season, so the expectation of continued success was understandable. A veteran backup, even Smith, was a better prospect than a complete unknown.

When they were 1-5, the season was already clearly over. The record wasn't the only reason. They already lost OBJ and had other injuries and their play was very much in line with their record. At that point Webb should have been elevated to #2. You could even argue it made sense to cut Smith at that point.

How, in all that time, with the knowledge that benching Eli was very much in his plans, McAdoo did not start looking at Webb in practice is probably his biggest mistake, which is saying something.

Then, this summer, they took the opposite approach and gave him the bulk of the work at Lauletta's expense. At least, that showed them what they felt they needed to see in order to make a decision on him. Now that he is gone and the season is once again done in October, another young QB needs to be elevated. Tanney is even less of an option than Smith was last year. So, let Lauletta get to work now and learn as much as possible from Eli. Because they need to have everything they need to make a decision on him vs. selecting a QB this year ASAP. The odds of another chance at a top pick a 3rd year will be slim.
RE: It's amazing that someone thinks it could get worse  
JonC : 10/13/2018 7:37 am : link
In comment 14125772 jcn56 said:
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We're 1-5. What would worse be - winless the rest of the way out? Not exactly a huge drop in the production of wins.


Worse could be someone getting badly injured while playing when they're not ready to ... similar to why Webb didn't play last year.
RE: RE: It's amazing that someone thinks it could get worse  
crick n NC : 10/13/2018 7:54 am : link
In comment 14125851 JonC said:
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We're 1-5. What would worse be - winless the rest of the way out? Not exactly a huge drop in the production of wins.



Worse could be someone getting badly injured while playing when they're not ready to ... similar to why Webb didn't play last year.


JonC easily one of the best thinkers in this forum.
Fans need to understand there's a process  
JonC : 10/13/2018 7:58 am : link
to getting ready to play a football game, and the jump from the Richmond Spiders to the NFL is huge. One minute, he's playing the Albany Great Danes and next fans want to push him out there in front of the best football teams on the planet, with a sieve OL in front of him and a team with rocked confidence.

Patience.
Not only did one staff deem Webb not ready a year ago  
JonC : 10/13/2018 8:00 am : link
but this staff deemed him not ready period this year to the extent of getting cut.

I do think Lauletta will play this season. But, the coaches are putting him through the preparation process and if he's deemed ready to go, he'll get some run out there.

And again, Lauletta's presence on this roster will likely have no impact on whether or not they draft a QB high next April.
RE: Not only did one staff deem Webb not ready a year ago  
Matt M. : 10/13/2018 8:11 am : link
In comment 14125865 JonC said:
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but this staff deemed him not ready period this year to the extent of getting cut.

I do think Lauletta will play this season. But, the coaches are putting him through the preparation process and if he's deemed ready to go, he'll get some run out there.

And again, Lauletta's presence on this roster will likely have no impact on whether or not they draft a QB high next April.
Nobody is disputong that Webb wasn't ready last year. The lroblem is the Giants weren't getting him ready. They had nothing to even evaluate him by. He literally was taking 0 snaps in practice.

Thwy were able to make a decision on him this year prwcusely because they did give him a tin if work this summer.
Matt  
JonC : 10/13/2018 8:12 am : link
That falls squarely on McAdoo, as he chose to bet on Geno to give him the best chance to save his job. Simple as that.
RE: Matt  
Matt M. : 10/13/2018 8:18 am : link
In comment 14125875 JonC said:
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That falls squarely on McAdoo, as he chose to bet on Geno to give him the best chance to save his job. Simple as that.
It is squarely on McAdoo, but it goes much further back than that decision. My point is by that decision, it was already far too late. It goes back to camp when Webb barely took any snaps in practice even.

This season, they seem deztined for a top 2 pick again. Unless, with 100% certainty, they know they are taking a QB and already have 1 or 2 guys targeted, it would make sense to get a deeper loom at Lauletta. It's not about getting him ready, it's about trying to see enough to determine if he will ever be ready.
Bring down the dramatics a bit  
Jimmy Googs : 10/13/2018 8:21 am : link
on playing a rookie QB. While I am sure he is not ready to step on the field with enough confidence and conviction to light it up, he most certainly in a few short weeks can take some 2nd half snaps, hand the ball off and throw a some slant passes.

And I bet he can do so without people bleeding out or losing any limbs on the field of play.

good lord people...
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JonC : 10/13/2018 8:22 am : link
In comment 14125879 Matt M. said:
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That falls squarely on McAdoo, as he chose to bet on Geno to give him the best chance to save his job. Simple as that.

It is squarely on McAdoo, but it goes much further back than that decision. My point is by that decision, it was already far too late. It goes back to camp when Webb barely took any snaps in practice even.

This season, they seem deztined for a top 2 pick again. Unless, with 100% certainty, they know they are taking a QB and already have 1 or 2 guys targeted, it would make sense to get a deeper loom at Lauletta. It's not about getting him ready, it's about trying to see enough to determine if he will ever be ready.


It's rarely that smooth, that's wishful fan stuff. Pedigree is usually pretty easy to spot.
The rookie doesn't have the arm to play in the NFL  
arniefez : 10/13/2018 8:24 am : link
but he'll give them the best chance to lose which is the best thing that can happen for the rest of this year. If they're 1-7 at the bye the Mara's will cave in the other direction about Eli this year. That's what they do.
Taking reps in practice is about getting the starter ready  
JonC : 10/13/2018 8:26 am : link
You'll hear just about any coach say the same. Giving reps to the backup usually amounts to them running the scout team. It is what it is.
RE: Bring down the dramatics a bit  
crick n NC : 10/13/2018 8:30 am : link
In comment 14125881 Jimmy Googs said:
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on playing a rookie QB. While I am sure he is not ready to step on the field with enough confidence and conviction to light it up, he most certainly in a few short weeks can take some 2nd half snaps, hand the ball off and throw a some slant passes.

And I bet he can do so without people bleeding out or losing any limbs on the field of play.

good lord people...


Is it ridiculous what JonC is attempting to communicate on this thread? He sounds pretty logical to me.
RE: Not only did one staff deem Webb not ready a year ago  
Jimmy Googs : 10/13/2018 8:32 am : link
In comment 14125865 JonC said:
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And again, Lauletta's presence on this roster will likely have no impact on whether or not they draft a QB high next April.



You know, we should probably stop making this comment as a statement of fact.

There is still a lot to happen between now and draft day. DG may come to a conclusion that KL and some veteran free agent QB can handle things next year while he looks for his next hand of god position player. He may also like what he sees outright in KL versus the rookie QBs next year, or we simply may miss out on drafting a QB he does like and default to KL.

Just because you all think its logical that DG will keep the thinking independent, it very well may not be.

just sayin'...
He didnt  
crick n NC : 10/13/2018 8:35 am : link
Present it as fact. The term "likely" discounts his statement as fact before hand. He speaking in terms of odds.
I used "likely" as a caveat  
JonC : 10/13/2018 8:35 am : link
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crick  
JonC : 10/13/2018 8:35 am : link
correct.
RE: I used  
Jimmy Googs : 10/13/2018 8:41 am : link
In comment 14125905 JonC said:
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Yes, i see that. Point remains though as presume your conviction was clearly leaning that way. If not, apologies.

RE: Bring down the dramatics a bit  
micky : 10/13/2018 8:44 am : link
In comment 14125881 Jimmy Googs said:
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on playing a rookie QB. While I am sure he is not ready to step on the field with enough confidence and conviction to light it up, he most certainly in a few short weeks can take some 2nd half snaps, hand the ball off and throw a some slant passes.

And I bet he can do so without people bleeding out or losing any limbs on the field of play.

good lord people...


Lol..yes along with being fully wrapped in bubble wrap
RE: Taking reps in practice is about getting the starter ready  
Matt M. : 10/13/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 14125892 JonC said:
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You'll hear just about any coach say the same. Giving reps to the backup usually amounts to them running the scout team. It is what it is.
JonC I understand that, but running the scout team is still taking reps running a pro offense. This is something they did not do at all with Webb. He was taking 0 reps in practice for almost the entire season last year. 0.
Matt  
JonC : 10/13/2018 9:27 am : link
That should tell you something about him ...
...  
christian : 10/13/2018 10:03 am : link
The frequent reference to what the fans thinks is super weird.

It's not a popularity contest, it's about building the foundation of a winning football program.

It's kick the doors down obvious Manning isn't part of that future. Playing the rookie QB is about validating the good and bad things you saw on tape.

It's also a pressure test on your team and your system.

The pathetic thing about Manning, the fan's and Mara's reaction to the benching last year was the focus on Geno Smith.

It was never about Smith, it was about Mcadoo. It was about seeing if his system was a winner in the NFL, and if it was Manning keeping it back.

It's absolutely crazy the Giants are in the exact same position again the next year with a virtually a new a team and a new system.
RE: RE: Taking reps in practice is about getting the starter ready  
ron mexico : 10/13/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 14125959 Matt M. said:
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You'll hear just about any coach say the same. Giving reps to the backup usually amounts to them running the scout team. It is what it is.

JonC I understand that, but running the scout team is still taking reps running a pro offense. This is something they did not do at all with Webb. He was taking 0 reps in practice for almost the entire season last year. 0.


I believe Webb ran the scout team last year
You can infer Webb ran the scout team here  
ron mexico : 10/13/2018 10:20 am : link
The scout-team quarterback runs the offense for the opposing team. It is an assignment for the last player at the position on the roster. Smith will start Sunday in Oakland and Manning will serve as the backup. The Giants want to accelerate Webb’s development and thus he will receive increased work with their offense. That left scout-team work for Manning, and also some for Webb.
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throw a premature rookie to the wolves  
bc4life : 10/13/2018 4:10 pm : link
behind a bad OLine. Priceless

This ranks right up there with other great ideas:

- Chimpanee bomb squad

- Fart flavored chewing gum

- Dollar Store souchi
Jesus God, please  
HomerJones45 : 10/13/2018 4:12 pm : link
that way when he crashes and burns posters here will finally shut up about him.
Homer Jones  
bc4life : 10/13/2018 4:14 pm : link
You mean like a human sacrafice kinda thing?
RE: Homer Jones  
HomerJones45 : 10/13/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14126598 bc4life said:
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You mean like a human sacrafice kinda thing?
Exactly. He must be offered up to appease the football gods whom we have offended.
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