I think we can all agree this ship is sinking fast and barring a miracle the season is done. That being said we do not need a repeat of last year. Start getting Lauletta reps in practice now. We need to know what we have in him and if we do in fact need to get a QB next year.
This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.
This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.
While I agree he's a long shot to be the long term answer, it wouldn't be unprecedented (we all know the examples) for a mid-late round QB to play well. Better off seeing what he has with live bullets flying than keeping him stashed on the bench all season.
This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.
I don't think he'll change the season at all. I just don't want us to find out now what we have. They need to see him in practice more and live action so we know what we need to do in the off season.
I don't want to see Tanney at all, it would be a Geno all over again. Tanney isn't the future.
This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.
No but you can’t compound last year’s screwup with Webb! You have to see what you have and stop wasting picks 3rd round Webb, 4th round Lauletta, on a team desperate for O- line help.
He needs to become the starter to get meaningful practice reps.
This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.
I agree but getting him game time and the development that comes with it will be worth it IMO. Might as well take his lumps and learn some lessons in a lost season. Even if he is a complete failure, the team gained something from learning that. (Cue all the comments that there is no way he can be evaluated behind this line)
Look, I'm not saying it's a waste or not to do it, just that it's a limited scope move.
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nor preclude them from drafting a QB next April.
This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.
No but you can’t compound last year’s screwup with Webb! You have to see what you have and stop wasting picks 3rd round Webb, 4th round Lauletta, on a team desperate for O- line help.
Webb is collateral damage of a regime change, not much to do about that, he won't be the last either.
why not give him some snaps . I didn't like the Lauletta
pick to begin with so lets see how he looks .
I don't want to see Eli carted off on a golf cart .
At least he has young legs he will need them behind this
sieve of a line .
I also would have brought back Adams instead of the two guys
they signed
Because Tanney isn't the long term answer. It is either Lauletta or a QB yet to be drafted.
It's not too early to get him reps. Get him reps now and slowly transition him in.
This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.
Agreed. But we can't make the same mistake we did with Webb. Lauletta likely isn't Eli's successor, but we need to see him in real games before we go into the offseason with what will presumably be another top five pick. I'd like to see him in five or six games.
Hell even a few 4qtrs would be fine.
Spare me the "the hits/pressures will destroy his confidence forever" crap. In the end, he is a 3rd round draft pick for a losing team...
Expect to see Eli start until they are eliminated, at which point maybe Lauletta will play.
Reps in practice to the point he is dressing during the game. Once the season is lost and/or he's ready he goes in to start.
He's at least mobile, young, and eager.
Not playing him right now is galacticly stupid. I don't care about winning at this point. It's evaluation time. And, more importantly, the time to get in position to get another very high pick.
Look, I'm not saying it's a waste or not to do it, just that it's a limited scope move.
Develop Laulleta and target Bosa.
I know there's a lot of dumb bbi'ers who watch a lot of teh ESPN and scream draft QB high, but the WCO affords us to utilize cheaper QBs. As Bill Walsh said, he can get any bum off the street to replace Joe Montana.
this season is all but over and Eli's time here is (or should be) done.
I don't say the above without a fair bit of sadness but it is pretty much a fact now.
there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.
it likely has no bearing on what they will do next year in the draft but you never know.
from a pure fan entertainments standpoint, I honestly cannot stand watching another game with the same stale Offensive results. Please give fans like me something to be excited about in 2018.
Please.
there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.
It would be smart to wait and start Lauletta after the bye. He hasnt been dressed yet for a game and has never attended a road game.
The smart thing to do is waive Tanney. Start Eli for the next two games. Then going into the bye, name Lauletta the starter against SF after the bye.
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there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.
It would be smart to wait and start Lauletta after the bye. He hasnt been dressed yet for a game and has never attended a road game.
The smart thing to do is waive Tanney. Start Eli for the next two games. Then going into the bye, name Lauletta the starter against SF after the bye.
I can get behind that plan - but no real reason to waive taney, just demote him to third string
He's at least mobile, young, and eager.
Not playing him right now is galacticly stupid. I don't care about winning at this point. It's evaluation time. And, more importantly, the time to get in position to get another very high pick.
He's at least mobile, young, and eager.
Not playing him right now is galacticly stupid. I don't care about winning at this point. It's evaluation time. And, more importantly, the time to get in position to get another very high pick.
Well that could be true and it may work. I just like to see him get a couple weeks of practice in first. Starting him week 7 or week 10 has little difference on him and the future.
But then again if Eli starts this week... watch him for for 350 and 4 TDs...haha
or have you simply bought into the narrative that he can't throw the ball further than a 13 yr old kid?
If Giants think he can be a good QB, they will start him
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there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.
It would be smart to wait and start Lauletta after the bye. He hasnt been dressed yet for a game and has never attended a road game.
The smart thing to do is waive Tanney. Start Eli for the next two games. Then going into the bye, name Lauletta the starter against SF after the bye.
I can get behind that plan - but no real reason to waive taney, just demote him to third string
He's a waste of a roster spot, there could be another Jaw I'll Davis out there.
Again, not saying he doesn't need to play, it's just it's more urgent in the eyes of the fans than the professionals who work with him every day.
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Lauletta should start next week. And Shurmur should create a package for him that fits his skill set. There are ten days to come up with something to see how the kid handles the bright lights.
He's at least mobile, young, and eager.
Not playing him right now is galacticly stupid. I don't care about winning at this point. It's evaluation time. And, more importantly, the time to get in position to get another very high pick.
What skill set is that? 4 yard passes? We are all set; it's called Shurmur's offense
Shurmur certainly wants to go downfield. Do you think the angry "throw the ball!" yell at Manning was some kind of coded message for "nice decision"?
Lauletta is this - 10X more mobile than Eli. And that might be worth something. I've seen the guy play live at Richmond twice the last two years and he can improvise.
What do we have to lose at this point exactly?
You have a huge mouth, and you're epically stupid; That's a bad combination.
If Giants think he can be a good QB, they will start him
he doesn't get any reps with the O. He only runs the scout team
Winning games at 1-7 will be a fools errand, I want to see what we have.
we are 1-5 and last night was a new and embarrassing low for the NYG.
Trust me, they work with KL every day. If he doesn't play there's likely good reasons why.
Maybe better, since Eli constantly throws behind them or at their feet.
Obviously not suggesting KL is Brady but I am not buying that just b/c KL isn't starting, it is due solely to his play. There are plenty of other factors in play, much of which likely has little to do with football.
This.
More athletic QB play could make the OLine look better and result in more point, allowing the D to play ahead rather than from behind all the time.
could have a cascading effect...
Or KL could suck as bad or worse than Eli and we still lose most of our games!
Sorry Eli, it’s likely your last year in blue. Thanks for the 2 SBs.
More athletic QB play could make the OLine look better and result in more point, allowing the D to play ahead rather than from behind all the time.
could have a cascading effect...
Or KL could suck as bad or worse than Eli and we still lose most of our games!
This is my biggest worry and it has NOTHING to do with Eli.
We start Lauletta and/or draft Herbert. A lot of people are expecting better results since Eli is clearly done. Believe it or not, we can get worse play from the position. I dont really know what they can do to remedy the situation. Herbert is the pick but that means we pass on a premier pass rusher or tackle.
People sre going to want instant gratification once Eli is gone. What I want? Is for whoever secedes him to be in the best possible situation to succeed.
This OL/defense is a QBs worst nightmare for a guy taking over.
Less patience for those things from a 15 year vet who is costing $23m against the cap.
Obviously not suggesting KL is Brady but I am not buying that just b/c KL isn't starting, it is due solely to his play. There are plenty of other factors in play, much of which likely has little to do with football.
I'll stick with the rule rather than exception. Again, not saying don't play him but rather it's not a huge consideration, nor will it preclude them from drafting one high if they covet one.
Less patience for those things from a 15 year vet who is costing $23m against the cap.
I believe this to be true as well
Less patience for those things from a 15 year vet who is costing $23m against the cap.
The one thing I learned is that fans (well majority of fans) are not patient. Those who see the big picture need patience, but you and I both know the talking heads of ESPN and other media outlets will pile on no matter what.
I can see it with Lauletta already - weak arm, small school, 4th round. Not big enough. blah blah.
Herbert - Robotic, bad arm motion, came from crappy system... blah blah blah.
Unless a QB wins, they will always be ripped. I mean look at what BBI'ers do to the 2018 class- and we dont even root for those teams!
It just really, really sucks being a Giants fan right now. We have an all-timer at the end of his career, no plan really in place, a lot of malcontents. Sigh.
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nor preclude them from drafting a QB next April.
This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.
Agreed. But we can't make the same mistake we did with Webb. Lauletta likely isn't Eli's successor, but we need to see him in real games before we go into the offseason with what will presumably be another top five pick. I'd like to see him in five or six games.
Even if he is not the successor, getting him real experience would go a long way to feeling comfortable having him take over the back up role long term.
No but it could improve that one problem. It also helps the team make a long term evaluation to determine if QB is a need in next years draft.
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replacing one problem doesnt mean the other major ones are fixed too.
No but it could improve that one problem. It also helps the team make a long term evaluation to determine if QB is a need in next years draft.
If Lauletta plays, it will NOT affect whether or not we take Herbert. NONE whatsoever.
Again, not saying he doesn't need to play, it's just it's more urgent in the eyes of the fans than the professionals who work with him every day.
Unless Lauletta is unbelievable in at least four or five games, there is no way his presence should prevent the Giants from drafting a QB. And even that might not be enough. I have said that I don't think he's Eli's long term successor. But I do think he needs to play at some point this year. It was a mistake not to play Webb at the end of last season.
Its not going to happen. Eli will play the rest of 2018 and he might be here 2019.
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replacing one problem doesnt mean the other major ones are fixed too.
No but it could improve that one problem. It also helps the team make a long term evaluation to determine if QB is a need in next years draft.
If Lauletta plays, it will NOT affect whether or not we take Herbert. NONE whatsoever.
That assumes he struggles. What if he looks like Russel Wilson (64% 195 y/g 26:10 TD:INT his rookie year)?
This is the bottom line - the product with the so called experienced veteran stinks. It's putrid. So I should care if get worse?!?
Shurmur certainly wants to go downfield. Do you think the angry "throw the ball!" yell at Manning was some kind of coded message for "nice decision"?
now that was funny...
I need the 10 day break as much as the players, this season has been frustrating..............
this season is all but over and Eli's time here is (or should be) done.
I don't say the above without a fair bit of sadness but it is pretty much a fact now.
there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.
it likely has no bearing on what they will do next year in the draft but you never know.
from a pure fan entertainments standpoint, I honestly cannot stand watching another game with the same stale Offensive results. Please give fans like me something to be excited about in 2018.
Please.
Problem is, I don't think he's had any reps yet.
I don't have huge hopes for lauletta, but I also don't think we would get much worse if he played. Our passing offense is either check down or fall down. You would think lauletta could handle the check down part and that he would fall down less frequently.
Our passing offense is either check down or fall down. You would think lauletta could handle the check down part and that he would fall down less frequently.
That was very well done. I just spit up my Stella...
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No one -- I repeat, no one -- has a freaking clue if Lauletta will be any good. He is a 4th Rd pick from a small school so the odds are against him. But was a draft pick and so, presumably this staff sees something in him.
this season is all but over and Eli's time here is (or should be) done.
I don't say the above without a fair bit of sadness but it is pretty much a fact now.
there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.
it likely has no bearing on what they will do next year in the draft but you never know.
from a pure fan entertainments standpoint, I honestly cannot stand watching another game with the same stale Offensive results. Please give fans like me something to be excited about in 2018.
Please.
Problem is, I don't think he's had any reps yet.
When Shurmur was asked today, he said Lauletta has been splitting reps with Tanney all year.
When they were 1-5, the season was already clearly over. The record wasn't the only reason. They already lost OBJ and had other injuries and their play was very much in line with their record. At that point Webb should have been elevated to #2. You could even argue it made sense to cut Smith at that point.
How, in all that time, with the knowledge that benching Eli was very much in his plans, McAdoo did not start looking at Webb in practice is probably his biggest mistake, which is saying something.
Then, this summer, they took the opposite approach and gave him the bulk of the work at Lauletta's expense. At least, that showed them what they felt they needed to see in order to make a decision on him. Now that he is gone and the season is once again done in October, another young QB needs to be elevated. Tanney is even less of an option than Smith was last year. So, let Lauletta get to work now and learn as much as possible from Eli. Because they need to have everything they need to make a decision on him vs. selecting a QB this year ASAP. The odds of another chance at a top pick a 3rd year will be slim.
Worse could be someone getting badly injured while playing when they're not ready to ... similar to why Webb didn't play last year.
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We're 1-5. What would worse be - winless the rest of the way out? Not exactly a huge drop in the production of wins.
Worse could be someone getting badly injured while playing when they're not ready to ... similar to why Webb didn't play last year.
JonC easily one of the best thinkers in this forum.
Patience.
I do think Lauletta will play this season. But, the coaches are putting him through the preparation process and if he's deemed ready to go, he'll get some run out there.
And again, Lauletta's presence on this roster will likely have no impact on whether or not they draft a QB high next April.
I do think Lauletta will play this season. But, the coaches are putting him through the preparation process and if he's deemed ready to go, he'll get some run out there.
And again, Lauletta's presence on this roster will likely have no impact on whether or not they draft a QB high next April.
Thwy were able to make a decision on him this year prwcusely because they did give him a tin if work this summer.
This season, they seem deztined for a top 2 pick again. Unless, with 100% certainty, they know they are taking a QB and already have 1 or 2 guys targeted, it would make sense to get a deeper loom at Lauletta. It's not about getting him ready, it's about trying to see enough to determine if he will ever be ready.
And I bet he can do so without people bleeding out or losing any limbs on the field of play.
good lord people...
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That falls squarely on McAdoo, as he chose to bet on Geno to give him the best chance to save his job. Simple as that.
It is squarely on McAdoo, but it goes much further back than that decision. My point is by that decision, it was already far too late. It goes back to camp when Webb barely took any snaps in practice even.
This season, they seem deztined for a top 2 pick again. Unless, with 100% certainty, they know they are taking a QB and already have 1 or 2 guys targeted, it would make sense to get a deeper loom at Lauletta. It's not about getting him ready, it's about trying to see enough to determine if he will ever be ready.
It's rarely that smooth, that's wishful fan stuff. Pedigree is usually pretty easy to spot.
And I bet he can do so without people bleeding out or losing any limbs on the field of play.
good lord people...
Is it ridiculous what JonC is attempting to communicate on this thread? He sounds pretty logical to me.
And again, Lauletta's presence on this roster will likely have no impact on whether or not they draft a QB high next April.
You know, we should probably stop making this comment as a statement of fact.
There is still a lot to happen between now and draft day. DG may come to a conclusion that KL and some veteran free agent QB can handle things next year while he looks for his next hand of god position player. He may also like what he sees outright in KL versus the rookie QBs next year, or we simply may miss out on drafting a QB he does like and default to KL.
Just because you all think its logical that DG will keep the thinking independent, it very well may not be.
just sayin'...
Yes, i see that. Point remains though as presume your conviction was clearly leaning that way. If not, apologies.
And I bet he can do so without people bleeding out or losing any limbs on the field of play.
good lord people...
Lol..yes along with being fully wrapped in bubble wrap
It's not a popularity contest, it's about building the foundation of a winning football program.
It's kick the doors down obvious Manning isn't part of that future. Playing the rookie QB is about validating the good and bad things you saw on tape.
It's also a pressure test on your team and your system.
The pathetic thing about Manning, the fan's and Mara's reaction to the benching last year was the focus on Geno Smith.
It was never about Smith, it was about Mcadoo. It was about seeing if his system was a winner in the NFL, and if it was Manning keeping it back.
It's absolutely crazy the Giants are in the exact same position again the next year with a virtually a new a team and a new system.
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You'll hear just about any coach say the same. Giving reps to the backup usually amounts to them running the scout team. It is what it is.
JonC I understand that, but running the scout team is still taking reps running a pro offense. This is something they did not do at all with Webb. He was taking 0 reps in practice for almost the entire season last year. 0.
I believe Webb ran the scout team last year
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