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My plea to the Giants, Get Lauletta reps now

JOrthman : 10/12/2018 11:33 am
I think we can all agree this ship is sinking fast and barring a miracle the season is done. That being said we do not need a repeat of last year. Start getting Lauletta reps in practice now. We need to know what we have in him and if we do in fact need to get a QB next year.
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agree with  
Big d E 2 : 10/12/2018 11:34 am : link
you
Lauletta isn't likely to "save" this season  
JonC : 10/12/2018 11:36 am : link
nor preclude them from drafting a QB next April.

This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.
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I am Ninja : 10/12/2018 11:36 am : link
Dont disagree, but as silly as it sounds, I wouldnt expect any game action until we're mathematically eliminated. They really shouldnt waste another bunch of meaningless games. The backlash wont be there. 1) Its not Geno Smith, and 2) Everyone's seen enough.
Not time yet  
UberAlias : 10/12/2018 11:37 am : link
I would have the plan and begin working towards getting him in after the bye week.
There's no reason for Tanney at this point.  
SHO'NUFF : 10/12/2018 11:37 am : link
Hell, sign Webb back onto the team.
RE: Lauletta isn't likely to  
giants#1 : 10/12/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 14124150 JonC said:
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nor preclude them from drafting a QB next April.

This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.


While I agree he's a long shot to be the long term answer, it wouldn't be unprecedented (we all know the examples) for a mid-late round QB to play well. Better off seeing what he has with live bullets flying than keeping him stashed on the bench all season.
RE: There's no reason for Tanney at this point.  
UberAlias : 10/12/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 14124161 SHO'NUFF said:
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Hell, sign Webb back onto the team.
Agree about Tanney. No point.
RE: Lauletta isn't likely to  
JOrthman : 10/12/2018 11:39 am : link
In comment 14124150 JonC said:
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nor preclude them from drafting a QB next April.

This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.


I don't think he'll change the season at all. I just don't want us to find out now what we have. They need to see him in practice more and live action so we know what we need to do in the off season.
RE: There's no reason for Tanney at this point.  
JOrthman : 10/12/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 14124161 SHO'NUFF said:
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Hell, sign Webb back onto the team.


I don't want to see Tanney at all, it would be a Geno all over again. Tanney isn't the future.
RE: Lauletta isn't likely to  
gmenatlarge : 10/12/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 14124150 JonC said:
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nor preclude them from drafting a QB next April.

This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.


No but you can’t compound last year’s screwup with Webb! You have to see what you have and stop wasting picks 3rd round Webb, 4th round Lauletta, on a team desperate for O- line help.
We don’t know how Lauletta has looked in practice  
Vanzetti : 10/12/2018 11:42 am : link
If he does not start next week, my guess would be that he has not looked ready
Even if they promote him to #2  
ron mexico : 10/12/2018 11:42 am : link
that still means only a couple of reps a week.

He needs to become the starter to get meaningful practice reps.



AGREED  
Jim Bur(n)t : 10/12/2018 11:42 am : link
And it's not a matter of "Saving the season"... Expect mistakes, but its to see what we have & if the kid can develop.
RE: Lauletta isn't likely to  
ron mexico : 10/12/2018 11:44 am : link
In comment 14124150 JonC said:
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nor preclude them from drafting a QB next April.

This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.


I agree but getting him game time and the development that comes with it will be worth it IMO. Might as well take his lumps and learn some lessons in a lost season. Even if he is a complete failure, the team gained something from learning that. (Cue all the comments that there is no way he can be evaluated behind this line)

The reason to start preparing Lauletta now  
Dave on the UWS : 10/12/2018 11:44 am : link
is to get him ready to play later THIS year. They need to show themselves AND the fans that they are not repeating the same mistakes as the previous regime.
Better nut f up again and put in Tanney  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/12/2018 11:46 am : link
I'm optimistic for Lauletta, a perfect scheme fit for Shurmur. Plus he's a 4th round pick, throw him to the wolves.
He hasn't been on the active roster,  
Section331 : 10/12/2018 11:46 am : link
so other than scout team, I doubt he's gotten many reps. I think Shurmur will try to get him some starting this week, and maybe we'll see him after the bye. It won't be before that.
The infinite promise of Kyle Lauletta  
GiantEgo : 10/12/2018 11:47 am : link
Something only the most gifted fuckheads can see.
What we do in the offseason is  
JonC : 10/12/2018 11:48 am : link
use the #1 overall pick to draft a QB.

Look, I'm not saying it's a waste or not to do it, just that it's a limited scope move.
Yup  
Les in TO : 10/12/2018 11:48 am : link
If he shines but the team still has eyes on a QB coming out next year perhaps he can have some trade value.
RE: RE: Lauletta isn't likely to  
JonC : 10/12/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 14124178 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 14124150 JonC said:


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nor preclude them from drafting a QB next April.

This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.



No but you can’t compound last year’s screwup with Webb! You have to see what you have and stop wasting picks 3rd round Webb, 4th round Lauletta, on a team desperate for O- line help.


Webb is collateral damage of a regime change, not much to do about that, he won't be the last either.
Tanney  
Csonka : 10/12/2018 11:52 am : link
Why the anti-Tanney sentiment today? I'm ready to give him a long look right now, and Lauletta by week 10!
After the beating Eli took last night he might welcome it .  
Bluesbreaker : 10/12/2018 11:55 am : link
Tanney isn't worth the snaps so sure after the bye week
why not give him some snaps . I didn't like the Lauletta
pick to begin with so lets see how he looks .
I don't want to see Eli carted off on a golf cart .
At least he has young legs he will need them behind this
sieve of a line .
I also would have brought back Adams instead of the two guys
they signed
It's too early  
AcesUp : 10/12/2018 11:56 am : link
He's likely to struggle, you want to feed him to the wolves for 10 games? If we start him now, the most likely scenario is that he falls on his face and there are calls to put in another QB with plenty of season left. He gets benched and written off as a failure. Hold off until Thanksgiving, he gets some extra time to cook and 4 games is the perfect amount of time to both give him some burn and get an evaluation without setting him up for failure.
RE: Tanney  
JOrthman : 10/12/2018 11:59 am : link
In comment 14124245 Csonka said:
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Why the anti-Tanney sentiment today? I'm ready to give him a long look right now, and Lauletta by week 10!


Because Tanney isn't the long term answer. It is either Lauletta or a QB yet to be drafted.
this dude was a waste of pick  
jintz4life : 10/12/2018 11:59 am : link
just like the graveyard of mid round qbs taken over the last however many years
RE: It's too early  
JOrthman : 10/12/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14124265 AcesUp said:
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He's likely to struggle, you want to feed him to the wolves for 10 games? If we start him now, the most likely scenario is that he falls on his face and there are calls to put in another QB with plenty of season left. He gets benched and written off as a failure. Hold off until Thanksgiving, he gets some extra time to cook and 4 games is the perfect amount of time to both give him some burn and get an evaluation without setting him up for failure.


It's not too early to get him reps. Get him reps now and slowly transition him in.
RE: Lauletta isn't likely to  
AcidTest : 10/12/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14124150 JonC said:
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nor preclude them from drafting a QB next April.

This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.


Agreed. But we can't make the same mistake we did with Webb. Lauletta likely isn't Eli's successor, but we need to see him in real games before we go into the offseason with what will presumably be another top five pick. I'd like to see him in five or six games.
What do you mean by reps?  
AcesUp : 10/12/2018 12:03 pm : link
Like a few series at the end of blowouts or flat out starting him over Eli?
I am with JOrthman here  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2018 12:03 pm : link
KL need start being integrated into taking first team reps (more and more) and ultimately the game. Doesn't need a month to do that.

Hell even a few 4qtrs would be fine.

Spare me the "the hits/pressures will destroy his confidence forever" crap. In the end, he is a 3rd round draft pick for a losing team...

Lauletta is not the saviour...  
Doomster : 10/12/2018 12:04 pm : link
But it would be a smart move to get him playing time at the end of games, to see what he's made of...
Don't get your hopes up  
Mike from Ohio : 10/12/2018 12:04 pm : link
until after they are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. The Giants will not start Lauletta when the games still technically matter so that it appears they are tanking, or not being competitive. That isn't how Giants ownership operates (rightly or wrongly).

Expect to see Eli start until they are eliminated, at which point maybe Lauletta will play.
RE: What do you mean by reps?  
JOrthman : 10/12/2018 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14124290 AcesUp said:
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Like a few series at the end of blowouts or flat out starting him over Eli?

Reps in practice to the point he is dressing during the game. Once the season is lost and/or he's ready he goes in to start.
I don't understand writing off Tanney completely  
AcesUp : 10/12/2018 12:08 pm : link
The coaches clearly see something in him, he was rostered against all odds and has been the active backup all season. If our struggles continue until the bye, I throw him in after the bye week to both buy some time before Lauletta and give him a look. It's unlikely and not something I'm banking on, but there is precedent of journeymen in their late 20s/early 30s taking advantage of a shot. It happened with Jeff Garcia, Rich Gannon and Doug Flutie. To some extent it happened to Kurt Warner. He is worth seeing in live action the time comes to bench Eli.
Give me a f-cking break...  
bw in dc : 10/12/2018 12:10 pm : link
Lauletta should start next week. And Shurmur should create a package for him that fits his skill set. There are ten days to come up with something to see how the kid handles the bright lights.

He's at least mobile, young, and eager.

Not playing him right now is galacticly stupid. I don't care about winning at this point. It's evaluation time. And, more importantly, the time to get in position to get another very high pick.

RE: What we do in the offseason is  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/12/2018 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14124215 JonC said:
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use the #1 overall pick to draft a QB.

Look, I'm not saying it's a waste or not to do it, just that it's a limited scope move.

Develop Laulleta and target Bosa.

I know there's a lot of dumb bbi'ers who watch a lot of teh ESPN and scream draft QB high, but the WCO affords us to utilize cheaper QBs. As Bill Walsh said, he can get any bum off the street to replace Joe Montana.
Yeah, who needs a QB.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/12/2018 12:17 pm : link
Clearly, not the Giants...
I agree with the OP and bw states it perfectly  
LG in NYC : 10/12/2018 12:17 pm : link
No one -- I repeat, no one -- has a freaking clue if Lauletta will be any good. He is a 4th Rd pick from a small school so the odds are against him. But was a draft pick and so, presumably this staff sees something in him.

this season is all but over and Eli's time here is (or should be) done.

I don't say the above without a fair bit of sadness but it is pretty much a fact now.

there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.

it likely has no bearing on what they will do next year in the draft but you never know.

from a pure fan entertainments standpoint, I honestly cannot stand watching another game with the same stale Offensive results. Please give fans like me something to be excited about in 2018.

Please.
RE: I agree with the OP and bw states it perfectly  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14124336 LG in NYC said:
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there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.



It would be smart to wait and start Lauletta after the bye. He hasnt been dressed yet for a game and has never attended a road game.

The smart thing to do is waive Tanney. Start Eli for the next two games. Then going into the bye, name Lauletta the starter against SF after the bye.
I think this offense wouldn't be difficult...  
BamaBlue : 10/12/2018 12:19 pm : link
for Lauletta to pick-up. Short passing, no complex blocking schemes, and good talent away from the OL. Lauletta has a weak arm, but is accurate and mobile... why not give it a shot and see what he's got.
Slim  
BCD : 10/12/2018 12:22 pm : link
Pickins...
dep - maybe  
LG in NYC : 10/12/2018 12:22 pm : link
But as bw states, we have 11 days til then next game and my understanding is that one of KL's strengths is his smarts.
RE: RE: I agree with the OP and bw states it perfectly  
ron mexico : 10/12/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14124340 dep026 said:
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In comment 14124336 LG in NYC said:


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there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.





It would be smart to wait and start Lauletta after the bye. He hasnt been dressed yet for a game and has never attended a road game.

The smart thing to do is waive Tanney. Start Eli for the next two games. Then going into the bye, name Lauletta the starter against SF after the bye.


I can get behind that plan - but no real reason to waive taney, just demote him to third string


RE: Give me a f-cking break...  
joe48 : 10/12/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14124313 bw in dc said:
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Lauletta should start next week. And Shurmur should create a package for him that fits his skill set. There are ten days to come up with something to see how the kid handles the bright lights.

He's at least mobile, young, and eager.

Not playing him right now is galacticly stupid. I don't care about winning at this point. It's evaluation time. And, more importantly, the time to get in position to get another very high pick.
He is probably not ready and you could do him a disservice throwing him out there right now.
RE: Give me a f-cking break...  
HomerJones45 : 10/12/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14124313 bw in dc said:
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Lauletta should start next week. And Shurmur should create a package for him that fits his skill set. There are ten days to come up with something to see how the kid handles the bright lights.

He's at least mobile, young, and eager.

Not playing him right now is galacticly stupid. I don't care about winning at this point. It's evaluation time. And, more importantly, the time to get in position to get another very high pick.
What skill set is that? 4 yard passes? We are all set; it's called Shurmur's offense
RE: dep - maybe  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14124357 LG in NYC said:
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But as bw states, we have 11 days til then next game and my understanding is that one of KL's strengths is his smarts.


Well that could be true and it may work. I just like to see him get a couple weeks of practice in first. Starting him week 7 or week 10 has little difference on him and the future.

But then again if Eli starts this week... watch him for for 350 and 4 TDs...haha
HJ45  
LG in NYC : 10/12/2018 12:35 pm : link
what do you actually know about Lauletta? anything?

or have you simply bought into the narrative that he can't throw the ball further than a 13 yr old kid?
If the Giants do not start Lauletta  
Vanzetti : 10/12/2018 12:37 pm : link
I don't think it is because of the "Giants way" or "Mara's stubbornness." I just think it means KL has not made the throws in practice.

If Giants think he can be a good QB, they will start him
RE: RE: RE: I agree with the OP and bw states it perfectly  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/12/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14124361 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14124340 dep026 said:


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In comment 14124336 LG in NYC said:


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there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.





It would be smart to wait and start Lauletta after the bye. He hasnt been dressed yet for a game and has never attended a road game.

The smart thing to do is waive Tanney. Start Eli for the next two games. Then going into the bye, name Lauletta the starter against SF after the bye.



I can get behind that plan - but no real reason to waive taney, just demote him to third string


He's a waste of a roster spot, there could be another Jaw I'll Davis out there.
Acid  
JonC : 10/12/2018 12:42 pm : link
Much like Webb last offseason, they will have a good idea of what they've got in Lauletta. His presence won't preclude them from drafting a QB high, should they want to do so.

Again, not saying he doesn't need to play, it's just it's more urgent in the eyes of the fans than the professionals who work with him every day.
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