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My plea to the Giants, Get Lauletta reps now

JOrthman : 10/12/2018 11:33 am
I think we can all agree this ship is sinking fast and barring a miracle the season is done. That being said we do not need a repeat of last year. Start getting Lauletta reps in practice now. We need to know what we have in him and if we do in fact need to get a QB next year.
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RE: RE: Give me a f-cking break...  
bw in dc : 10/12/2018 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14124397 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 14124313 bw in dc said:


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Lauletta should start next week. And Shurmur should create a package for him that fits his skill set. There are ten days to come up with something to see how the kid handles the bright lights.

He's at least mobile, young, and eager.

Not playing him right now is galacticly stupid. I don't care about winning at this point. It's evaluation time. And, more importantly, the time to get in position to get another very high pick.


What skill set is that? 4 yard passes? We are all set; it's called Shurmur's offense


Shurmur certainly wants to go downfield. Do you think the angry "throw the ball!" yell at Manning was some kind of coded message for "nice decision"?

Lauletta is this - 10X more mobile than Eli. And that might be worth something. I've seen the guy play live at Richmond twice the last two years and he can improvise.

What do we have to lose at this point exactly?
RE: RE: What we do in the offseason is  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/12/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14124328 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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I know there's a lot of dumb bbi'ers who watch a lot of teh ESPN and scream draft QB high, but the WCO affords us to utilize cheaper QBs. As Bill Walsh said, he can get any bum off the street to replace Joe Montana.


You have a huge mouth, and you're epically stupid; That's a bad combination.
RE: If the Giants do not start Lauletta  
ron mexico : 10/12/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14124423 Vanzetti said:
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I don't think it is because of the "Giants way" or "Mara's stubbornness." I just think it means KL has not made the throws in practice.

If Giants think he can be a good QB, they will start him


he doesn't get any reps with the O. He only runs the scout team
Not going thru this whole thread  
lawguy9801 : 10/12/2018 12:46 pm : link
other than to say I'm sure Lauletta can throw check down passes to Barkley and Gallman as well as Eli can. It can't get any worse.
It can get worse  
JonC : 10/12/2018 12:47 pm : link
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Lauleta does not have to wins games  
NewBlue : 10/12/2018 12:47 pm : link
We are 1-5 WILL BE 1-7 BY THE BYE...We need to see if he can make certain throw's, command the huddle, escape pressure, improvise (You know (OFF SCHEDULE) G-D I despise new-talk.

Winning games at 1-7 will be a fools errand, I want to see what we have.
Jon C  
LG in NYC : 10/12/2018 12:49 pm : link
it can get worse for the long run... but how can it really get worse for this season?

we are 1-5 and last night was a new and embarrassing low for the NYG.
This week he should get elevated  
NewBlue : 10/12/2018 12:51 pm : link
To back-up....if not it seems we will have another Davis Webb on our hands.

LG  
JonC : 10/12/2018 12:53 pm : link
Eli is still a vet with 15 years experience. They're going to stay behind him before throwing the zero experience rookie from a small school into the NFL fire.

Trust me, they work with KL every day. If he doesn't play there's likely good reasons why.
Just remember  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 12:54 pm : link
replacing one problem doesnt mean the other major ones are fixed too.
RE: Not going thru this whole thread  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14124473 lawguy9801 said:
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other than to say I'm sure Lauletta can throw check down passes to Barkley and Gallman as well as Eli can. It can't get any worse.


Maybe better, since Eli constantly throws behind them or at their feet.
dep  
NewBlue : 10/12/2018 12:55 pm : link
Fix one problem, perhaps a spark of energy will somewhat mitigate the other problem.....
Jon C  
LG in NYC : 10/12/2018 12:55 pm : link
did the Patriots know what they had in Brady when they were trotting Bledsoe out there every game until he got hurt?

Obviously not suggesting KL is Brady but I am not buying that just b/c KL isn't starting, it is due solely to his play. There are plenty of other factors in play, much of which likely has little to do with football.
RE: Not going thru this whole thread  
Dodge : 10/12/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14124473 lawguy9801 said:
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other than to say I'm sure Lauletta can throw check down passes to Barkley and Gallman as well as Eli can. It can't get any worse.


This.
dep  
LG in NYC : 10/12/2018 12:59 pm : link
Even if KL plays awesome, you are right that there other problems, but there is also a very real possibility that many of these issues are emanating from the dismal QB play we are getting.

More athletic QB play could make the OLine look better and result in more point, allowing the D to play ahead rather than from behind all the time.

could have a cascading effect...

Or KL could suck as bad or worse than Eli and we still lose most of our games!
Lauletta Needs To Get No 2 QB Reps Starting Now  
Trainmaster : 10/12/2018 1:02 pm : link
He needs to get 4th quarter playing time after the bye week. Plan on starting him against the Titans for week 15 and have him finish the season.

Sorry Eli, it’s likely your last year in blue. Thanks for the 2 SBs.
RE: It can get worse  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2018 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14124476 JonC said:
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RE: dep  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14124545 LG in NYC said:
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Even if KL plays awesome, you are right that there other problems, but there is also a very real possibility that many of these issues are emanating from the dismal QB play we are getting.

More athletic QB play could make the OLine look better and result in more point, allowing the D to play ahead rather than from behind all the time.

could have a cascading effect...

Or KL could suck as bad or worse than Eli and we still lose most of our games!


This is my biggest worry and it has NOTHING to do with Eli.

We start Lauletta and/or draft Herbert. A lot of people are expecting better results since Eli is clearly done. Believe it or not, we can get worse play from the position. I dont really know what they can do to remedy the situation. Herbert is the pick but that means we pass on a premier pass rusher or tackle.

People sre going to want instant gratification once Eli is gone. What I want? Is for whoever secedes him to be in the best possible situation to succeed.

This OL/defense is a QBs worst nightmare for a guy taking over.
dep  
LG in NYC : 10/12/2018 1:10 pm : link
I actually think most people would be patient with a young 1st or 2nd year QB. we can generally accept INT's and inconsistent play from a rookie who we think is building towards something good.

Less patience for those things from a 15 year vet who is costing $23m against the cap.
RE: Jon C  
JonC : 10/12/2018 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14124525 LG in NYC said:
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did the Patriots know what they had in Brady when they were trotting Bledsoe out there every game until he got hurt?

Obviously not suggesting KL is Brady but I am not buying that just b/c KL isn't starting, it is due solely to his play. There are plenty of other factors in play, much of which likely has little to do with football.


I'll stick with the rule rather than exception. Again, not saying don't play him but rather it's not a huge consideration, nor will it preclude them from drafting one high if they covet one.
I'm all for whatever gives them the best chance to lose  
arniefez : 10/12/2018 1:17 pm : link
play the rookie at QB. Trade as many vets as possible for draft picks. The Eli window is closed time to start over.
RE: dep  
ron mexico : 10/12/2018 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14124595 LG in NYC said:
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I actually think most people would be patient with a young 1st or 2nd year QB. we can generally accept INT's and inconsistent play from a rookie who we think is building towards something good.

Less patience for those things from a 15 year vet who is costing $23m against the cap.


I believe this to be true as well
RE: dep  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14124595 LG in NYC said:
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I actually think most people would be patient with a young 1st or 2nd year QB. we can generally accept INT's and inconsistent play from a rookie who we think is building towards something good.

Less patience for those things from a 15 year vet who is costing $23m against the cap.


The one thing I learned is that fans (well majority of fans) are not patient. Those who see the big picture need patience, but you and I both know the talking heads of ESPN and other media outlets will pile on no matter what.

I can see it with Lauletta already - weak arm, small school, 4th round. Not big enough. blah blah.

Herbert - Robotic, bad arm motion, came from crappy system... blah blah blah.

Unless a QB wins, they will always be ripped. I mean look at what BBI'ers do to the 2018 class- and we dont even root for those teams!

It just really, really sucks being a Giants fan right now. We have an all-timer at the end of his career, no plan really in place, a lot of malcontents. Sigh.
RE: RE: Lauletta isn't likely to  
ron mexico : 10/12/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14124283 AcidTest said:
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nor preclude them from drafting a QB next April.

This season is shot, so it wouldn't hurt, but he's unlikely to deliver much to soothe us.



Agreed. But we can't make the same mistake we did with Webb. Lauletta likely isn't Eli's successor, but we need to see him in real games before we go into the offseason with what will presumably be another top five pick. I'd like to see him in five or six games.


Even if he is not the successor, getting him real experience would go a long way to feeling comfortable having him take over the back up role long term.

RE: Just remember  
giants#1 : 10/12/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14124518 dep026 said:
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replacing one problem doesnt mean the other major ones are fixed too.


No but it could improve that one problem. It also helps the team make a long term evaluation to determine if QB is a need in next years draft.
RE: RE: Just remember  
dep026 : 10/12/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14124667 giants#1 said:
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replacing one problem doesnt mean the other major ones are fixed too.



No but it could improve that one problem. It also helps the team make a long term evaluation to determine if QB is a need in next years draft.


If Lauletta plays, it will NOT affect whether or not we take Herbert. NONE whatsoever.
RE: Acid  
AcidTest : 10/12/2018 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14124454 JonC said:
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Much like Webb last offseason, they will have a good idea of what they've got in Lauletta. His presence won't preclude them from drafting a QB high, should they want to do so.

Again, not saying he doesn't need to play, it's just it's more urgent in the eyes of the fans than the professionals who work with him every day.


Unless Lauletta is unbelievable in at least four or five games, there is no way his presence should prevent the Giants from drafting a QB. And even that might not be enough. I have said that I don't think he's Eli's long term successor. But I do think he needs to play at some point this year. It was a mistake not to play Webb at the end of last season.
They won't sit him unless he gets hurt  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/12/2018 1:45 pm : link
If they sit him before is akin to them saying, WE FUCKED UP. WE THOUGHT HE COULD SUCCEED HERE. WERE SORRY.

Its not going to happen. Eli will play the rest of 2018 and he might be here 2019.
RE: RE: RE: Just remember  
giants#1 : 10/12/2018 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14124697 dep026 said:
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In comment 14124518 dep026 said:


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replacing one problem doesnt mean the other major ones are fixed too.



No but it could improve that one problem. It also helps the team make a long term evaluation to determine if QB is a need in next years draft.



If Lauletta plays, it will NOT affect whether or not we take Herbert. NONE whatsoever.


That assumes he struggles. What if he looks like Russel Wilson (64% 195 y/g 26:10 TD:INT his rookie year)?
I don't give a flying f-ck if Lauletta...  
bw in dc : 10/12/2018 1:52 pm : link
goes 10 for 40, 80 yards, 0 TDs. I am more concerned about giving him a chance to play. And my guess is most fans, except the derelicts who can't spell LT, will understand the process and have patience.

This is the bottom line - the product with the so called experienced veteran stinks. It's putrid. So I should care if get worse?!?
RE: RE: RE: Give me a f-cking break...  
Jimmy Googs : 10/12/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14124459 bw in dc said:
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Shurmur certainly wants to go downfield. Do you think the angry "throw the ball!" yell at Manning was some kind of coded message for "nice decision"?



now that was funny...
bw  
NewBlue : 10/12/2018 1:57 pm : link
Lauletta was picked by this staff, they need to ramp up his learning curve and get him to be the back up on this 10 day til the next game period. Who cares if they win, they can not make the play-offs (OK go 1-6 and then start)we need a shot of energy.
I will say playing Lauletta....  
BillKo : 10/12/2018 2:31 pm : link
....will increase my chances to keep watching. And give me a reason to keep going to the games.

I need the 10 day break as much as the players, this season has been frustrating..............
RE: I agree with the OP and bw states it perfectly  
JOrthman : 10/12/2018 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14124336 LG in NYC said:
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No one -- I repeat, no one -- has a freaking clue if Lauletta will be any good. He is a 4th Rd pick from a small school so the odds are against him. But was a draft pick and so, presumably this staff sees something in him.

this season is all but over and Eli's time here is (or should be) done.

I don't say the above without a fair bit of sadness but it is pretty much a fact now.

there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.

it likely has no bearing on what they will do next year in the draft but you never know.

from a pure fan entertainments standpoint, I honestly cannot stand watching another game with the same stale Offensive results. Please give fans like me something to be excited about in 2018.

Please.


Problem is, I don't think he's had any reps yet.
I don't  
Jerry in DC : 10/12/2018 7:40 pm : link
See it happening. Among the management team, Eli is probably the #2 guy after mara. I think any decision at this point goes through eli. In some ways its unfortunate that Eli is a self-interested party there because in a vacuum, you would rather have him making football decisions than gettleman. But I don't think it happens unless mara gives the directive or Eli volunteers.

I don't have huge hopes for lauletta, but I also don't think we would get much worse if he played. Our passing offense is either check down or fall down. You would think lauletta could handle the check down part and that he would fall down less frequently.
RE: I don't  
bw in dc : 10/12/2018 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14125579 Jerry in DC said:
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Our passing offense is either check down or fall down. You would think lauletta could handle the check down part and that he would fall down less frequently.


That was very well done. I just spit up my Stella...
Thank you  
Jerry in DC : 10/12/2018 7:53 pm : link
I'm using all my good material now because I should probably get back to doing actual work next week.
RE: RE: I agree with the OP and bw states it perfectly  
Eli Wilson : 10/12/2018 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14125569 JOrthman said:
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No one -- I repeat, no one -- has a freaking clue if Lauletta will be any good. He is a 4th Rd pick from a small school so the odds are against him. But was a draft pick and so, presumably this staff sees something in him.

this season is all but over and Eli's time here is (or should be) done.

I don't say the above without a fair bit of sadness but it is pretty much a fact now.

there is no reason not to start Lauletta next game and at least see if he provides a spark or allows this team to find some confidence. worst case is he also sucks but the staff gets to evaluate him in a real situation.

it likely has no bearing on what they will do next year in the draft but you never know.

from a pure fan entertainments standpoint, I honestly cannot stand watching another game with the same stale Offensive results. Please give fans like me something to be excited about in 2018.

Please.



Problem is, I don't think he's had any reps yet.


When Shurmur was asked today, he said Lauletta has been splitting reps with Tanney all year.
It's amazing that someone thinks it could get worse  
jcn56 : 10/13/2018 12:47 am : link
We're 1-5. What would worse be - winless the rest of the way out? Not exactly a huge drop in the production of wins.
Lauletta should be getting  
Bill in UT : 10/13/2018 1:07 am : link
mop-up duty immediately when games are out of reach either way. He should start when the Giants are out of it. No reason to dress or see Tanney at all this season unless Eli is hurt and Giants still have a shot at playoffs.
Agree 100%.  
Matt M. : 10/13/2018 2:13 am : link
I said as early as the start of camp last year that it made no sense for Webb not to be getting a ton of reps. That was not because I felt he was the future, but more because I had no idea if he was. What I did know was that Smith was certainly not. It made sense to sign him because they were coming off a very good season, so the expectation of continued success was understandable. A veteran backup, even Smith, was a better prospect than a complete unknown.

When they were 1-5, the season was already clearly over. The record wasn't the only reason. They already lost OBJ and had other injuries and their play was very much in line with their record. At that point Webb should have been elevated to #2. You could even argue it made sense to cut Smith at that point.

How, in all that time, with the knowledge that benching Eli was very much in his plans, McAdoo did not start looking at Webb in practice is probably his biggest mistake, which is saying something.

Then, this summer, they took the opposite approach and gave him the bulk of the work at Lauletta's expense. At least, that showed them what they felt they needed to see in order to make a decision on him. Now that he is gone and the season is once again done in October, another young QB needs to be elevated. Tanney is even less of an option than Smith was last year. So, let Lauletta get to work now and learn as much as possible from Eli. Because they need to have everything they need to make a decision on him vs. selecting a QB this year ASAP. The odds of another chance at a top pick a 3rd year will be slim.
RE: It's amazing that someone thinks it could get worse  
JonC : 10/13/2018 7:37 am : link
In comment 14125772 jcn56 said:
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We're 1-5. What would worse be - winless the rest of the way out? Not exactly a huge drop in the production of wins.


Worse could be someone getting badly injured while playing when they're not ready to ... similar to why Webb didn't play last year.
RE: RE: It's amazing that someone thinks it could get worse  
crick n NC : 10/13/2018 7:54 am : link
In comment 14125851 JonC said:
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We're 1-5. What would worse be - winless the rest of the way out? Not exactly a huge drop in the production of wins.



Worse could be someone getting badly injured while playing when they're not ready to ... similar to why Webb didn't play last year.


JonC easily one of the best thinkers in this forum.
Fans need to understand there's a process  
JonC : 10/13/2018 7:58 am : link
to getting ready to play a football game, and the jump from the Richmond Spiders to the NFL is huge. One minute, he's playing the Albany Great Danes and next fans want to push him out there in front of the best football teams on the planet, with a sieve OL in front of him and a team with rocked confidence.

Patience.
Not only did one staff deem Webb not ready a year ago  
JonC : 10/13/2018 8:00 am : link
but this staff deemed him not ready period this year to the extent of getting cut.

I do think Lauletta will play this season. But, the coaches are putting him through the preparation process and if he's deemed ready to go, he'll get some run out there.

And again, Lauletta's presence on this roster will likely have no impact on whether or not they draft a QB high next April.
RE: Not only did one staff deem Webb not ready a year ago  
Matt M. : 10/13/2018 8:11 am : link
In comment 14125865 JonC said:
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but this staff deemed him not ready period this year to the extent of getting cut.

I do think Lauletta will play this season. But, the coaches are putting him through the preparation process and if he's deemed ready to go, he'll get some run out there.

And again, Lauletta's presence on this roster will likely have no impact on whether or not they draft a QB high next April.
Nobody is disputong that Webb wasn't ready last year. The lroblem is the Giants weren't getting him ready. They had nothing to even evaluate him by. He literally was taking 0 snaps in practice.

Thwy were able to make a decision on him this year prwcusely because they did give him a tin if work this summer.
Matt  
JonC : 10/13/2018 8:12 am : link
That falls squarely on McAdoo, as he chose to bet on Geno to give him the best chance to save his job. Simple as that.
RE: Matt  
Matt M. : 10/13/2018 8:18 am : link
In comment 14125875 JonC said:
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That falls squarely on McAdoo, as he chose to bet on Geno to give him the best chance to save his job. Simple as that.
It is squarely on McAdoo, but it goes much further back than that decision. My point is by that decision, it was already far too late. It goes back to camp when Webb barely took any snaps in practice even.

This season, they seem deztined for a top 2 pick again. Unless, with 100% certainty, they know they are taking a QB and already have 1 or 2 guys targeted, it would make sense to get a deeper loom at Lauletta. It's not about getting him ready, it's about trying to see enough to determine if he will ever be ready.
Bring down the dramatics a bit  
Jimmy Googs : 10/13/2018 8:21 am : link
on playing a rookie QB. While I am sure he is not ready to step on the field with enough confidence and conviction to light it up, he most certainly in a few short weeks can take some 2nd half snaps, hand the ball off and throw a some slant passes.

And I bet he can do so without people bleeding out or losing any limbs on the field of play.

good lord people...
RE: RE: Matt  
JonC : 10/13/2018 8:22 am : link
In comment 14125879 Matt M. said:
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That falls squarely on McAdoo, as he chose to bet on Geno to give him the best chance to save his job. Simple as that.

It is squarely on McAdoo, but it goes much further back than that decision. My point is by that decision, it was already far too late. It goes back to camp when Webb barely took any snaps in practice even.

This season, they seem deztined for a top 2 pick again. Unless, with 100% certainty, they know they are taking a QB and already have 1 or 2 guys targeted, it would make sense to get a deeper loom at Lauletta. It's not about getting him ready, it's about trying to see enough to determine if he will ever be ready.


It's rarely that smooth, that's wishful fan stuff. Pedigree is usually pretty easy to spot.
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