From a cap standpoint, they likely can't trade him this quickly because of the guaranteed money he got.
If both Barkley and Beckham turn out to be generational talents, someone should be able to build a functional offense around them. I don't know if that someone is currently employed by the Giants, but we can at least try and hope that they are.
would also be a tacit acknowledgement that you don't think Shurmur can coach/control him. If that's the case, maybe you also need to look for a new head coach.
I just don't understand the crowd that wants to trade Odell. He is a generational talent. He is extremely competitive. He cares about the team and winning. His call on Eli while it should not have been public, was right on. (Even Coach Shurm was yelling for Eli to "throw the ball."
Frankly, then need more players like Odell. Yes, he is outspoken. Yes, he is emotional. But don't we want players who give a damn?
The giants lose games next year .....what’s left to headbutt ,is he going to have the patience with a rookie QB mistakes.... I don’t think so..... Trade him now I say and I say it reluctantly because I really would rather see him on our team........
I just don't understand the crowd that wants to trade Odell. He is a generational talent. He is extremely competitive. He cares about the team and winning. His call on Eli while it should not have been public, was right on. (Even Coach Shurm was yelling for Eli to "throw the ball."
Frankly, then need more players like Odell. Yes, he is outspoken. Yes, he is emotional. But don't we want players who give a damn?
would also be a tacit acknowledgement that you don't think Shurmur can coach/control him. If that's the case, maybe you also need to look for a new head coach.
OBJ has had 3 coaches and no one has been able to control him. So we keep changing coaches until we get one that can. It doesn’t work that way. You trade him!
this idea that beckham is a generational WR. Enough already. Spare me the stats through 50 games argument. Means nothing. Passing statistics in this era are inflated. Eli's #s will lead you to believe he's a top ten QB of all time. Apply this theory to Odell.
He is not the best WR in football. Hey may not be a top 3 wr in football. The man needs to see a therapist or a psychiatrist. He's a fucking moron and the more Barkley becomes a fan favorite the more Odell will act out for attention.
That anybody still defends this petulant child is a disgrace.
don't help the situation but he is far from the problem.
wrong. he is part of the cultural problem surrounding the giants. Anybody who has played competitive sports has played with someone like this.
Sure, maybe Sterling Shepard likes him because he helps him get pussy but you think any "adult" on the giants enjoys playing with Odell. He's a cancer. Plain and simple.
He lacks self control and does not do well with adversity.
I agree that he lacks emotional control but to say that he won't help a rookie qb? Is he going to purposely drop balls or run the wrong routes? Obj has the talent to 'make' a mediocre qb look better.
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He lacks self control and does not do well with adversity.
I agree that he lacks emotional control but to say that he won't help a rookie qb? Is he going to purposely drop balls or run the wrong routes? Obj has the talent to 'make' a mediocre qb look better.
I think the concern is that OBJ will not be patient will a rookie's development and will put pressure on the rook to force him the ball.
He's a scintillating talent but so narcissistic and emotionally disturbed he'll be a disruption to any program.
We need to trade John Mara for any other owner not named Dan Snyder, and start over.
He's too damn good. Do you really care that he talks to the fan on the sideline? He's emotional and passionate about the game. Yeah, he needs a strong leader to keep his ass straight, but you don't give up on him.
Reality is NYG just signed him to a multi-year mega contract and they want him right here.
Now, if some team is willing to way overpay a ridiculous king's ransom, I'd consider it.
he's doing what they ask him to do.
When the coaches figure out how to run an offense, he'll be part of the solution.
his public banter isn't nearly a big a detriment to the team as is the team sucking ass big time. he's not the one holding it back. The team is holding OBJ back.
RE: RE: RE: I don't think that blonde-headed-diva-bitch Â
He lacks self control and does not do well with adversity.
I agree that he lacks emotional control but to say that he won't help a rookie qb? Is he going to purposely drop balls or run the wrong routes? Obj has the talent to 'make' a mediocre qb look better.
I think the concern is that OBJ will not be patient will a rookie's development and will put pressure on the rook to force him the ball.
I disagree, i think he'd welcome the much needed change at qb and if he pressures the new qb to feed him the ball so what? He is a game changer and we've seen it many times.
He's too damn good. Do you really care that he talks to the fan on the sideline? He's emotional and passionate about the game. Yeah, he needs a strong leader to keep his ass straight, but you don't give up on him.
Reality is NYG just signed him to a multi-year mega contract and they want him right here.
Now, if some team is willing to way overpay a ridiculous king's ransom, I'd consider it.
How about 2 #1's ala Mack?
Call Gruden and ask for his next 2 first round picks Â
he's doing what they ask him to do.
When the coaches figure out how to run an offense, he'll be part of the solution.
his public banter isn't nearly a big a detriment to the team as is the team sucking ass big time. he's not the one holding it back. The team is holding OBJ back.
Nicely said
Giants cap hit on a trade after the season would be $16M Â
this idea that beckham is a generational WR. Enough already. Spare me the stats through 50 games argument. Means nothing. Passing statistics in this era are inflated. Eli's #s will lead you to believe he's a top ten QB of all time. Apply this theory to Odell.
He is not the best WR in football. Hey may not be a top 3 wr in football. The man needs to see a therapist or a psychiatrist. He's a fucking moron and the more Barkley becomes a fan favorite the more Odell will act out for attention.
That anybody still defends this petulant child is a disgrace.
If both Barkley and Beckham turn out to be generational talents, someone should be able to build a functional offense around them. I don't know if that someone is currently employed by the Giants, but we can at least try and hope that they are.
You cant sign a player to a long term deal then trade him
This team is wasting talent with the horrible supporting cast.
Trade him when the constant losing doesn't bother him anymore
Frankly, then need more players like Odell. Yes, he is outspoken. Yes, he is emotional. But don't we want players who give a damn?
Frankly, then need more players like Odell. Yes, he is outspoken. Yes, he is emotional. But don't we want players who give a damn?
I did not see that....was he really?
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He lacks self control and does not do well with adversity.
He is not the best WR in football. Hey may not be a top 3 wr in football. The man needs to see a therapist or a psychiatrist. He's a fucking moron and the more Barkley becomes a fan favorite the more Odell will act out for attention.
That anybody still defends this petulant child is a disgrace.
wrong. he is part of the cultural problem surrounding the giants. Anybody who has played competitive sports has played with someone like this.
Sure, maybe Sterling Shepard likes him because he helps him get pussy but you think any "adult" on the giants enjoys playing with Odell. He's a cancer. Plain and simple.
He lacks self control and does not do well with adversity.
I agree that he lacks emotional control but to say that he won't help a rookie qb? Is he going to purposely drop balls or run the wrong routes? Obj has the talent to 'make' a mediocre qb look better.
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will help a rookie QB.
He lacks self control and does not do well with adversity.
I agree that he lacks emotional control but to say that he won't help a rookie qb? Is he going to purposely drop balls or run the wrong routes? Obj has the talent to 'make' a mediocre qb look better.
I think the concern is that OBJ will not be patient will a rookie's development and will put pressure on the rook to force him the ball.
We need to trade John Mara for any other owner not named Dan Snyder, and start over.
Barkley is the man we should build around.
Reality is NYG just signed him to a multi-year mega contract and they want him right here.
Now, if some team is willing to way overpay a ridiculous king's ransom, I'd consider it.
When the coaches figure out how to run an offense, he'll be part of the solution.
his public banter isn't nearly a big a detriment to the team as is the team sucking ass big time. he's not the one holding it back. The team is holding OBJ back.
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will help a rookie QB.
He lacks self control and does not do well with adversity.
I agree that he lacks emotional control but to say that he won't help a rookie qb? Is he going to purposely drop balls or run the wrong routes? Obj has the talent to 'make' a mediocre qb look better.
I think the concern is that OBJ will not be patient will a rookie's development and will put pressure on the rook to force him the ball.
I disagree, i think he'd welcome the much needed change at qb and if he pressures the new qb to feed him the ball so what? He is a game changer and we've seen it many times.
Reality is NYG just signed him to a multi-year mega contract and they want him right here.
Now, if some team is willing to way overpay a ridiculous king's ransom, I'd consider it.
How about 2 #1's ala Mack?
When the coaches figure out how to run an offense, he'll be part of the solution.
his public banter isn't nearly a big a detriment to the team as is the team sucking ass big time. he's not the one holding it back. The team is holding OBJ back.
Nicely said
Really...that would not be a bad deal for a team that need a WR to complete a team.
The cap hit to release him is $35,500,000 or something like that...
Sorry Engram, shep, etc.
These guys need the ball in their hands. If it doesn't translate to wins, at least obj will shut up.
Sorry Engram, shep, etc.
These guys need the ball in their hands. If it doesn't translate to wins, at least obj will shut up.
If you need to feed a player to get him to shut up...then you are already screwed.
He is not the best WR in football. Hey may not be a top 3 wr in football. The man needs to see a therapist or a psychiatrist. He's a fucking moron and the more Barkley becomes a fan favorite the more Odell will act out for attention.
That anybody still defends this petulant child is a disgrace.
What a fucking dogshit post.