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Dave in Hoboken : 10/12/2018 12:42 pm
From the Yankees Press Conference today.

Even Roberts tweeted it out, too:
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@EvanRobertsWFAN

Wow…bomb dropped. TJ surgery for Didi
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Machado?  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/12/2018 12:44 pm : link
Does this open the door to Machado even more now, or nah?
beat me to it  
BigBlue2112 : 10/12/2018 12:44 pm : link
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Boone said Gregorius hurt early in #RedSox series. Optimistic will be back some point during the ‘19 season “realistic he can play bulk of the season for us.” #Yankees
It's Didi's throwing arm, too.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/12/2018 12:45 pm : link
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I get he’s not a pitcher  
Dave in PA : 10/12/2018 12:47 pm : link
But how likely is it that he’s going to be back and firing the ball across the diamond “for the bulk of the year”?
Man, the Yanks inherited the Giants injury luck this year  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2018 12:47 pm : link
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Welcome Manny Machado  
Jints in Carolina : 10/12/2018 12:47 pm : link
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I think the actual quote was that he will likely miss  
Ace718 : 10/12/2018 12:48 pm : link
a 'chunk' of the season. That's what I got from BR alert.
I think that all but seals the Yanks going after Machado.  
Ace718 : 10/12/2018 12:49 pm : link
Next year was Didi's last before free agency anyway.
Ouch.  
bceagle05 : 10/12/2018 12:50 pm : link
Yankee position players need TJ surgery in consecutive years - that is rather Giantsy.
Honestly, though?  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2018 12:53 pm : link
If they were to sign Machado, my ideal scenario would be to have him play third, move Torres back to short, and pick up a vet 2b, someone like Jed Lowrie
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I am Ninja : 10/12/2018 12:53 pm : link
bulk of the year my ass. just like judges 3 week fracture. i only really cant stand boone when hes trying to sell an obvious line of bullshit.
Does indeed open the door even more for Machado.  
bceagle05 : 10/12/2018 12:53 pm : link
He can play SS most of next year, be a "team player" and slide over when Didi returns, then take over full time in 2020.
I like Greg's scenario better  
bceagle05 : 10/12/2018 12:54 pm : link
but Manny seems set on 3B. Should make for interesting conversations between the parties involved.
Yes, he seems to be shortstop or bust  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2018 12:57 pm : link
But if the Yankees could win with Derek Jeter at short, they can win with Machado.
You could tell  
DC Gmen Fan : 10/12/2018 12:58 pm : link
Didi was off as his throws were barely reaching 1B. Voit baled him out a couple times.
Cashman- Didi had a partial tear in that ligament when they acquired  
BigBlue2112 : 10/12/2018 12:59 pm : link
him from AZ. Has been asymptomatic.

One thing I really like about Cashman is he's pretty upfront with the media
Say they get Machado.  
BigBlue2112 : 10/12/2018 1:00 pm : link
and Didi is out a good amount of time. Where is the Lefty bat in the lineup? Hicks as a switch hitter?
Yeah, Manny being set on SS is what I meant, obviously.  
bceagle05 : 10/12/2018 1:01 pm : link
Sucks for Didi though - his next contract is his one chance to really cash in, and now he's missing a chunk of his walk year.
I think  
MookGiants : 10/12/2018 1:11 pm : link
Machado was set on being a SS going into free agency. I don't think he'll be set on it once he signs somewhere. He'll go to whoever offers most money. I think he believed if he was a SS he would get more money in FA.
Interesting article about his defensive numbers in Baltimore vs LA  
arniefez : 10/12/2018 1:15 pm : link
The Yankees have tried to get him for 2 years. Now all it costs is money.

behind a pay wall so I won't link.

Defensive​ metrics, unreliable​ in​ small​ samples and subject​ to numerous​ variables,​ do​ not​ offer​ a complete​ portrait​ of​ a player’s​ fielding​​ ability. Still, when two different ratings systems indicate Manny Machado became a much better defensive shortstop after the Dodgers acquired him from the Orioles on July 18, it says something about Machado, and it says something about the Orioles.
Machado  
Marty866b : 10/12/2018 1:16 pm : link
I don't think the Steinbrenners are going to go anywhere near Machado unless they can dump Stanton on someone. I don't see anyway they will pay both their salaries while still need starting pitching AND probably like to tie Judge up at some point in the next few years.Getting rid of Stanton needs to be the Yankees #1 priority. These aren't the George Steinbrenner Yankees.
RE: Machado  
ajr2456 : 10/12/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14124625 Marty866b said:
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I don't think the Steinbrenners are going to go anywhere near Machado unless they can dump Stanton on someone. I don't see anyway they will pay both their salaries while still need starting pitching AND probably like to tie Judge up at some point in the next few years.Getting rid of Stanton needs to be the Yankees #1 priority. These aren't the George Steinbrenner Yankees.


we'll see, but they reset the tax number for this exact reason
RE: Machado  
Kyle in NY : 10/12/2018 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14124625 Marty866b said:
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I don't think the Steinbrenners are going to go anywhere near Machado unless they can dump Stanton on someone. I don't see anyway they will pay both their salaries while still need starting pitching AND probably like to tie Judge up at some point in the next few years.Getting rid of Stanton needs to be the Yankees #1 priority. These aren't the George Steinbrenner Yankees.


If they budgeted this season to get under the luxury tax and then DON’T go all out in free agency this offseason, I’ll be furious
Cashman's a mad scientist.  
bceagle05 : 10/12/2018 1:43 pm : link
If he wants Manny badly enough, he'll make room in whatever budget he's given by Hal. There's money coming off the books this year, luxury tax is reset, Bird and Sanchez may no longer be viewed as future big-money commitments, Didi and Hicks may be allowed to walk. Ellsbury's albatross will be off the books after 2020.
If they can’t  
13ODB : 10/12/2018 1:47 pm : link
Get machado and he stays in LA sign Murphy and Torres plays short.
LA has Seager coming back to play SS, and Turner locked in at 3B.  
bceagle05 : 10/12/2018 1:49 pm : link
Philly will be major players in free agency - that's the team to watch. I could see them giving Harper or Manny an offer they can't refuse, like Texas once did with ARod.
Here's the (multi) million dollar question  
rich in DC : 10/12/2018 1:54 pm : link
Didi is entering his final arbitration season. As I understand it, recovery for pitchers from TJ is approximately 6-12 months. Given the distance and velocity that a SS has to put on his throws, I would think it would be hard to return faster than 6 months. That puts his early return around April- but I suspect that it might be much later than that.

He would need time to build up arm strength, get ABs and timing down- think of Bird last year.

So, here's the BIG question: do the Yanks make him an offer in arbitration, or do they non-tender him and let him walk?

IMO, this is an open question, depending on what the doctors say is his timeline. The reason is that a team can only reduce salary in arbitration by 10%. Didi made $8.5M in 2018- which means that his salary can only be reduced to about $7.65M. The other option is to give him a salary increase or pay him the same- knowing he will miss at least a portion of the season.

On one hand, they have an internal option in Torres and a possible external one in Machado. Dropping Didi would likely save the Yanks some money to spend on Machado.

On the other hand, their best defensive option would be Machado at 3B, Didi at SS and Torres at 2B (figure out what to do with Andujar later).

I guess we will know in about 2 months when arbitration eligibles have to be tendered a contract.
RE: RE: Machado  
rich in DC : 10/12/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14124663 Kyle in NY said:
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I don't think the Steinbrenners are going to go anywhere near Machado unless they can dump Stanton on someone. I don't see anyway they will pay both their salaries while still need starting pitching AND probably like to tie Judge up at some point in the next few years.Getting rid of Stanton needs to be the Yankees #1 priority. These aren't the George Steinbrenner Yankees.



If they budgeted this season to get under the luxury tax and then DON’T go all out in free agency this offseason, I’ll be furious


The problem is that most of the Yanks issues can't be solved in FA.

Harper is a redundancy with Stanton and Judge already on the roster (CF is OUT for Harper- his defensive metrics were TERRIBLE in CF for the Nats this season).

Machado could be the SS- which would solve a problem- or the 3B, which necessitates more movement.

Corbin might be a FA target, but comes with a cost of a second round draft pick and about $850,000 in IFA money. After that, the SP FA market is pretty thin (I don't think Kershaw leaves LA).

That means that trade market is the more likely solution.
Another unrelated Yankee note that will surprise no one  
rich in DC : 10/12/2018 2:56 pm : link
Cashman readily admits that the Yanks will shop Sonny Gray this winter. No use in hiding what everyone knew would happen.

I think he is a SP who might benefit from playing in the NL. A pitchers park like LA might do the trick. Maybe even SD.

The problem is that the Yanks might struggle to get even one good prospect in return. But, who knows- maybe Cashman finds a little magic out there and gets a good return.
RE: Cashman's a mad scientist.  
rich in DC : 10/12/2018 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14124735 bceagle05 said:
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If he wants Manny badly enough, he'll make room in whatever budget he's given by Hal. There's money coming off the books this year, luxury tax is reset, Bird and Sanchez may no longer be viewed as future big-money commitments, Didi and Hicks may be allowed to walk. Ellsbury's albatross will be off the books after 2020.


One minor correction- Ellsbury's albatross deal will mostly be off the books after 2019. There is a $5M buyout for 2020, but that isn't really albatross level in the Yanks world.
Francesa  
nygnyy274 : 10/12/2018 3:23 pm : link
Doesn’t want machado there’s a big fat shocker
RE: RE: Cashman's a mad scientist.  
Ace718 : 10/12/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14124983 rich in DC said:
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If he wants Manny badly enough, he'll make room in whatever budget he's given by Hal. There's money coming off the books this year, luxury tax is reset, Bird and Sanchez may no longer be viewed as future big-money commitments, Didi and Hicks may be allowed to walk. Ellsbury's albatross will be off the books after 2020.



One minor correction- Ellsbury's albatross deal will mostly be off the books after 2019. There is a $5M buyout for 2020, but that isn't really albatross level in the Yanks world.


The buyout is after the 2020 season. He has two full years guaranteed left. They can buy him out in 2021.
RE: Another unrelated Yankee note that will surprise no one  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2018 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14124977 rich in DC said:
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The problem is that the Yanks might struggle to get even one good prospect in return. But, who knows- maybe Cashman finds a little magic out there and gets a good return.



One of the last things Bob Watson did as GM was trade Kenny Rogers for Scott Brosius, and that worked out well.
RE: If they can’t  
section125 : 10/12/2018 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14124747 13ODB said:
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Get machado and he stays in LA sign Murphy and Torres plays short.


Stop with Murphy. He'll be 34 next season.
Did an injured Yankee just dash White Sox fans'...  
M.S. : 10/12/2018 5:09 pm : link

...Manny Machado dreams?

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Greg from LI : 10/12/2018 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14125311 section125 said:
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Stop with Murphy. He'll be 34 next season.


And he wasn't all that good this year, either.
isn't he FA eligible after next year???  
xman : 10/12/2018 5:13 pm : link
If so would they just let him walk this off season?
Not a fan of the star-chasing strategy Cash will likely  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/12/2018 6:57 pm : link
employ this offseason. But if you want to do things that way, might as well go all in. Let’s see if Gray, Andujar, Frazier, and Florial can get you MadBum.

Just stay the course, after this year Stanton is really our only big contract we have. I’d prefer to pawn him off on the Dodgers really. It’s too bad the next wave of pitching prospects have mostly fizzled. This path would take a couple of more years, until our young stars hit their prime, that of course won’t be tolerated here.

So most likely we are getting Harper or Machado, and Corbin.
If the Yanks want a young power SP  
rich in DC : 10/12/2018 8:30 pm : link
Call the Rockies. German Marquez is a guy who needs to get out of Colorado. His road numbers are absolutely dominant level stuff, while his home numbers are only average.

Might be expensive prospect wise- but a guy who is 23 with power stuff might be worth a gamble. Take a look at the home-road splits and imagine what a full season outside of the mile high air could look like.


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RE: Machado?  
Carson53 : 10/13/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 14124462 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Does this open the door to Machado even more now, or nah?
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I think it does now, prior to this news I had said no.
Keep in mind that Didi is also a free agent after 2019.
RE: I get he’s not a pitcher  
Carson53 : 10/13/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 14124477 Dave in PA said:
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But how likely is it that he’s going to be back and firing the ball across the diamond “for the bulk of the year”?
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That was from Boone, don't listen to him or Cash,
both said Judge would be out about three weeks this year...
we know how that worked out in time frame.
Sometimes Boone does sound like a Skippy Magoo,
just saying. How the hell does he know how long Didi
will be out, SMH.
RE: RE: Machado?  
rich in DC : 10/13/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 14126080 Carson53 said:
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Does this open the door to Machado even more now, or nah?

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I think it does now, prior to this news I had said no.
Keep in mind that Didi is also a free agent after 2019.


The Yanks have two months to decide before the non-tender deadline. Remember, as an arbitration-eligible player, Didi actually has no contract for next year. If the Yanks tender a contract before the deadline, he remains under team control and the two sides go to arbitration. If they don't, he becomes a FA.

I think it depends completely on what the surgeon says. If he says 6-8 months recovery, I think the Yanks keep him. If the docs say 10+ months, I think there is a good chance Didi gets non-tendered.
Looks like 9 months is a reasonable estimate  
arniefez : 10/13/2018 11:29 am : link
for a position player Didi's age. So right after the all star break is a reasonable guess if all goes well. It's highly unlikely he'd be back before that and no guarantee he is back mid july.
I'd cut bait unless Didi would consider a long term deal at  
xman : 10/13/2018 11:30 am : link
a reasonable price. 4 or 5 years in the neighborhood of 40 - 55 million.
RE: Not a fan of the star-chasing strategy Cash will likely  
rich in DC : 10/13/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 14125547 Jim in Hoboken said:
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employ this offseason. But if you want to do things that way, might as well go all in. Let’s see if Gray, Andujar, Frazier, and Florial can get you MadBum.

Just stay the course, after this year Stanton is really our only big contract we have. I’d prefer to pawn him off on the Dodgers really. It’s too bad the next wave of pitching prospects have mostly fizzled. This path would take a couple of more years, until our young stars hit their prime, that of course won’t be tolerated here.

So most likely we are getting Harper or Machado, and Corbin.


I think all the smoke with Machado since last off-season are signs that Machado may consider the Yanks a priority. I honestly have no problem with that. Keep in mind that Machado is almost exactly the same age and Judge and Sanchez- a core that can spend years together.

I just don't see the Harper connection- sure, a power lefty bat in Yankee Stadium makes people dream- but for a guy with his talent, the results come up somewhat short. Let someone else try and figure that out.

Corbin, again, I see the attraction- a lefty SP with good numbers in 2018. However, 2018 was such an outlier compared to the rest of his career that I have serious questions whether he just completed one of the all time contract runs or whether this was an emergence. I lean toward it being an outlier season and that anyone who signs him is going to be disappointed.

I prefer getting Machado and then pursuing the trade market.

I think the time has come for the Yanks to begin to pick and choose which prospects have a future in NY and which ones are trade bait.

I also think that they have to figure out the DH situation. Right now, Stanton is not a viable LF or CF. He can play RF, but he won't push Judge out of RF. As long as Stanton is DH, that limits the Yanks options with Andujar and Sanchez, which might pose a problem going forward.

I also think that one way or another, they have to finally resolve what Gardner, Ellsbury and CC's futures in NY are. My preference would be that all 3 should be let go.

I also think that the Yanks need to send a message to their young players by publicly backing Bird and Sanchez, but make sure that there is a viable plan B in place this offseason.
RE: Another unrelated Yankee note that will surprise no one  
Eman11 : 10/13/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14124977 rich in DC said:
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Cashman readily admits that the Yanks will shop Sonny Gray this winter. No use in hiding what everyone knew would happen.

I think he is a SP who might benefit from playing in the NL. A pitchers park like LA might do the trick. Maybe even SD.

The problem is that the Yanks might struggle to get even one good prospect in return. But, who knows- maybe Cashman finds a little magic out there and gets a good return.


I'm hoping a little of that magic includes going back to the Bay Area. Maybe Cashman can throw in some nice young guys with Sonny and at least get the Giants in a discussion about Bumgarner.

I know it's wishful thinking and probably would take some magic to pull off but a guy can hope.
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rich in DC : 10/14/2018 10:37 am : link
In comment 14126273 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14124977 rich in DC said:


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Cashman readily admits that the Yanks will shop Sonny Gray this winter. No use in hiding what everyone knew would happen.

I think he is a SP who might benefit from playing in the NL. A pitchers park like LA might do the trick. Maybe even SD.

The problem is that the Yanks might struggle to get even one good prospect in return. But, who knows- maybe Cashman finds a little magic out there and gets a good return.



I'm hoping a little of that magic includes going back to the Bay Area. Maybe Cashman can throw in some nice young guys with Sonny and at least get the Giants in a discussion about Bumgarner.

I know it's wishful thinking and probably would take some magic to pull off but a guy can hope.



Targeting the SF Giants is actually a really good idea. Good thinking there.

In that massive ballpark, the flyball tendencies that he shown should be reduced and allow him to pitch the way he prefers to pitch. I know the Giants continue to refuse to rebuild, though they did just clean house in the front office.

I think whoever SF brings in to run the team would look at a 29 year old Sonny Gray being under likely VERY cheap team control and unlikely to demand major dollars in FA, who pitches the that ballpark in SF might be a good addition.

The Giants did a great job with two reclamation projects in Holland and Dereck Rodriguez this past season. They would probably welcome someone with Gray's upside as a reclamation guy.

With that said, I see two problems. One, SF's minor league system is poor. It is so bad that when the Yanks traded minor league middle INF Abitial Avelino to SF this season, he immediately slotted into their top 15 prospects- and he barely rated in the Yanks system. The other problem is that I worry about Bumgarner's durability and future price tag. His walks, WHIP, walks and hits per 9 and K/9 rates have been going in the wrong direction for several years now. He has also become HR prone- a bad thing in new Yankee Stadium.

This is a good potential destination for Gray, but I am not sure what kind of return the Yanks can get, and I don't think their analytics people are going to in favor of chasing Bumgarner.
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rich in DC : 10/14/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14125265 Greg from LI said:
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The problem is that the Yanks might struggle to get even one good prospect in return. But, who knows- maybe Cashman finds a little magic out there and gets a good return.




One of the last things Bob Watson did as GM was trade Kenny Rogers for Scott Brosius, and that worked out well.


That was a great "you take my problem player and I will take yours" type of deal.

That might be tougher now because there are so few positional openings on the Yanks- and I am not sure that the Yanks are going to take on a weak SP.

I do remember that the Brewers wanted Gray for a while- they were the runners up in the trade where the Yanks got him- and they were rumored to be interested again at this year's trade deadline. But the only high salary guy who might be labeled a problem contract is Eric Thames, who makes $6M in 2019. He doesn't offer much other than lefty power and might not even make the Yanks out of spring training.

Another possibility might be the Nats- assuming they bring back Harper. They would be "all in" if they bring back Harper, and have some significant SP issues after Scherzer and Strasburg. Maybe an Adam Eaton for Gray deal works out for both. Eaton would be in the way of their next OF prospect- Robles- if Harper returns. Eaton is only under contract for 2019 and only counts for $4.7M for tax purposes.

This would be a problem for problem deal. Eaton is right up there with Ellsbury in terms of getting hurt. Gray has been bad with the Yanks. Both might need a change in scenery. Eaton would buy the Yanks time to get Frazier some more ABs in AAA in 2019, which he missed this season- and give the Yanks time to figure out whether Frazier is the future in LF. Eaton can also play CF and LF, so he fills in for Gardner in that role as well.

If the Yanks wanted to try the "kill two birds with one stone" idea of trading problem guys, maybe they could convince the Reds to take both Ellsbury and Gray (plus a prospect or two) in exchange for Bailey and maybe another bad deal.
Boy, that Didi injury  
section125 : 10/14/2018 1:21 pm : link
really puts the proverbial fly in the ointment...He's a FA next year and they'll only have a couple months to decide if they keep him and it may not even be his performance that determines if he stays. Andujar and Machado could determine Didi's Yankees future.
I have a feeling that they will target Manny. Andujar needs a major improvement in his fielding to remain at 3rd. Torres will stay at 2nd.

I expect Voit and Bird to battle for 1st base as expected and the loser will go the SWB and later be traded. Outside chance Andujar goes to 1st - but small chance at that.

I am at a loss for pitching. Corbin gets great write ups. But is he durable and is he consistent enough for what it will cost to sign him? Do they need another DL pitcher? Tanaka is a bit sketchy on reliability.

I would re-sign Happ for two years w/an option for the third.
I'd let CC go. This team does not get enough innings from its starters.
Hope like hell Sheffield is ready, which he likely is.

I still believe Severino's problem was lack of control of the off speed pitches moreso than tipping. Has any neutral or reliable scout actually said for CERTAIN that he was tipping, or is it all speculation. This should not be hard to prove.

2019 SPs - Severino, Tanaka, Happ, Sheffield, FA or trade, with Montgomery coming back July. Jonny Lasagna could make the team but he is another DL disaster.

I believe they will choose between Robertson and Britton - one or the other, not both, unless they are looking not to keep Betances after next year and look to Britton to take that spot in 2020. Of course, Britton is likely to be one of the more highly desired RPs on the market and his price to exorbitant to re-sign.
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