There is no way you could put a rookie QB behind this line with no running back to support them. It could have destroyed a young QB and may have been hard to reverse. The goal of the draft is to secure good/great players and Barkley will be a great player. This is not a quick fix and could take another 2-3 years.
The thing is this team will be picking early again and will have the opportunity to draft their future QB this year or next. Nobody knows what the future holds but I do believe they will find their QB to go along with one of the best running backs in the game plus Beckham & Engram. Championship teams are not built overnight but built over a couple strong drafts and this years draft is a good starting point.
Focus on the O-line in free agency and the early rounds of the draft and just keep bringing in UDFA’s. Can’t rebuild the line in one year either but I do believe Hernandez was a good start. If the offense was more productive I don’t think the defense would be under as much pressure either and would bring more energy. It has to be a huge moral buster to not get support from the offense. Sure they need more of a pass rush but the offense scoring points would help.
This team will get better but it won’t happen with one off-season. Sometimes you have to really suck to get the opportunity for players like LT, Simms, Manning, Beckham & Barkley. A couple good drafts will go a long way. It took the Rams a few drafts to get where they are but remember Gurley came before Goff.
I have zero issue. I thought Eli had a few years left. I think his accuracy is worse and his decision making is slowed.
We need a QB next year, but a stud OL is more important. An above average QB with a quick release will be able to do great things with these weapons.
Me too Jay. I wanted a QB and still do. Been down on Eli for years. But it now strikes me that it will be easier to find a decent QB than it would be to replace an impact player like Barkley. I'd rather have him than any of the rookie QBs.
FWIW, I was keen on Josh Allen or Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield not so much. Time will tell, but if were the GM with hindsight, I'd pick Barkley.
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With each passing game Barkley proves that he was the best player in the draft. The giants will get their QB in the upcoming draft and address the OL.
Me too Jay. I wanted a QB and still do. Been down on Eli for years. But it now strikes me that it will be easier to find a decent QB than it would be to replace an impact player like Barkley. I'd rather have him than any of the rookie QBs.
FWIW, I was keen on Josh Allen or Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield not so much. Time will tell, but if were the GM with hindsight, I'd pick Barkley.
I wanted Darnold or Rosen last year but I was expecting the giants to be an 8-8 to 9-7 team this season meaning they would be out of range of the top QB. Now that they will likely be picking first Barkley was the correct choice. He really is a generational talent.
You can't pick everyone in a slot! When you have a shitty team, talent needs to be cumulative from each draft... Unfort, Reese & Ross bankrupt the NY Football Giants.
I really do think that this past draft brought talent to this team that is ground zero of a process that just takes time (jury out on McIntosh).
Although I agree, EM's Immobility is secondary... The guy no longer sees the fuckin field.
That doesn't mean that it will prove to be the best pick in a few years, if one of the other QBs rounds into a quality starter.
If the Giants come away with a top QB in 2019- maybe Herbert- then the Giants will look very good. If they spend years in the qb abyss, and Barkley has a Barry Sanders career- while one of the 2018 qbs (caveat that the Giants would have taken) has a great career and makes his team a perennial contender- it will have been the wrong pick.
You can't pick everyone in a slot! When you have a shitty team, talent needs to be cumulative from each draft... Unfort, Reese & Ross bankrupt the NY Football Giants.
I really do think that this past draft brought talent to this team that is ground zero of a process that just takes time (jury out on McIntosh).
As of today would the Giants trade Barkley for Darnold or Mayfield? No. Would the Browns or Jets trade Darnold or Mayfield for Barkley if they could? Not a chance. They're elated with what they have. Everybody seems to have gotten what they wanted.
It's not worse than last year!
We've replaced 2 of the 5 pieces. We need a RT and a C. We can do it. Next year we'll see the surge. The line needs to gel, its not worse than last year.
If Barkley is all pro for 5 years but we can't get a franchise QB during his tenure? Giants can't win the SB. Its like the Detroit Lions all over again.
If Darnold becomes a 15 year franchise QB that can take his team to the mountaintop?
Its too far into the future with too many variables, health, future roster construction.
Barkley's been great, but his pick being correct depends on the rest of the plan that DG has. Does he even have a plan? We'll see.
A guy like him comes along every 10 years. Bill Walsh could find any bum off the street to replace Joe Montana.
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You can't pass up on his talent & persona combination... You cant.
You can't pick everyone in a slot! When you have a shitty team, talent needs to be cumulative from each draft... Unfort, Reese & Ross bankrupt the NY Football Giants.
I really do think that this past draft brought talent to this team that is ground zero of a process that just takes time (jury out on McIntosh).
As of today would the Giants trade Barkley for Darnold or Mayfield? No. Would the Browns or Jets trade Darnold or Mayfield for Barkley if they could? Not a chance. They're elated with what they have. Everybody seems to have gotten what they wanted.
Can't argue with that. I am a firm believer that a RB should never go in the top 10 unless they are true game changers like Tomlinson or Adrian Peterson. Barkley is obviously in that class.
I have always wanted a Marshall Faulk type of RB because I saw what he did for the Rams offense. Barkley is basically a mix of Faulk and Barry Sanders.
THAT was NEVER the point of taking a QB. The OP and others are deliberately creating a false narrative.
The OP and the ones that wanted the RB probably think it won’t be too hard to get a QB. What if you know that this narrative is wrong?
Our best option right now is to keep losing then we cna get a QB and let him struggle in 2019 then in 2020 he'd be good enough to help SB and OBJ.
If the Giants come away with a top QB in 2019- maybe Herbert- then the Giants will look very good. If they spend years in the qb abyss, and Barkley has a Barry Sanders career- while one of the 2018 qbs (caveat that the Giants would have taken) has a great career and makes his team a perennial contender- it will have been the wrong pick.
Regarding seeing the limited impact a Franchise RB has. Barkley is awesome. I said it before we drafted him, that Barkley could be everything the hype said and more and it wouldn't help this team.
Personally I would have preferred trading down and using the picks to fix the OL. Fixing the OL makes your QB better, your RB better and your receivers better. We are witnessing just how much worse everybody looks when you have a bad OL.
Tell me, does OBJ look like the 80 million dollar man. How much of an impact is he making. Last night 6 for 44... Yawn...
Give even an average QB time to go through reads and let a play develop and he will pick a team apart. The Eagles have a great line (injuries are having an impact this year, but still). THeir line allowed Foles to win a SB. Dallas had a great line, 2 years ago it made Dak look like more than just a barely competent starting QB.
Fix the OL and this team would be much better, even with Manning and Gallman. Had we traded down and picked up 3 top OL in the draft, we would probably still be 1 - 6, but there would be hope. IA high draft choice next year and maybe we get a new QB. The line is still young but ready to protect him.
Now, we are really no better off going into this offseason than we were going into the last one. We still need 3 more starting OL and QB.
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And it won't be for sometime. We are witnessing first hand the limited impact a franchise running back has on a modern NFL offense. Even after an all world night, the giants scored 13 points. On the flip side, we saw a team with an elite qb and no name running backs move the ball all over the field last night. Usually, when a QB has a all world night, points are scored.
If the Giants come away with a top QB in 2019- maybe Herbert- then the Giants will look very good. If they spend years in the qb abyss, and Barkley has a Barry Sanders career- while one of the 2018 qbs (caveat that the Giants would have taken) has a great career and makes his team a perennial contender- it will have been the wrong pick.
Regarding seeing the limited impact a Franchise RB has. Barkley is awesome. I said it before we drafted him, that Barkley could be everything the hype said and more and it wouldn't help this team.
Personally I would have preferred trading down and using the picks to fix the OL. Fixing the OL makes your QB better, your RB better and your receivers better. We are witnessing just how much worse everybody looks when you have a bad OL.
Tell me, does OBJ look like the 80 million dollar man. How much of an impact is he making. Last night 6 for 44... Yawn...
Give even an average QB time to go through reads and let a play develop and he will pick a team apart. The Eagles have a great line (injuries are having an impact this year, but still). THeir line allowed Foles to win a SB. Dallas had a great line, 2 years ago it made Dak look like more than just a barely competent starting QB.
Fix the OL and this team would be much better, even with Manning and Gallman. Had we traded down and picked up 3 top OL in the draft, we would probably still be 1 - 6, but there would be hope. IA high draft choice next year and maybe we get a new QB. The line is still young but ready to protect him.
Now, we are really no better off going into this offseason than we were going into the last one. We still need 3 more starting OL and QB.
The Eagles do NOT have a great OL right now. It's not even good right now.
We saw what a QB can do and that's why a QB should have been the pick.
Exactly. The young QB can lean on the superstar RB in his rookie and 2nd year. Look at Goff and Gurley in LA. Heck, look at Eli’s first year or two where Tiki was most of the offense
Suppose G_Men get 5 or 6 wins -- then we aren't going to get Darnold/Allen/Mayfield/Rosen are we unless we get extremely lucky?
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very accurate. Look you grab great talents when you can get them. Barkley is a unique guy. Next draft there will be the Oregon and WVU kids who will be just as good as whoever survives out of the Darnold/Allen/Mayfield/Rosen selections. This year was going to suck anyway, now we get Barkley and a top young QB
Suppose G_Men get 5 or 6 wins -- then we aren't going to get Darnold/Allen/Mayfield/Rosen are we unless we get extremely lucky?
you can always trade up, like thechiefs did or the eagles
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very accurate. Look you grab great talents when you can get them. Barkley is a unique guy. Next draft there will be the Oregon and WVU kids who will be just as good as whoever survives out of the Darnold/Allen/Mayfield/Rosen selections. This year was going to suck anyway, now we get Barkley and a top young QB
Suppose G_Men get 5 or 6 wins -- then we aren't going to get Darnold/Allen/Mayfield/Rosen are we unless we get extremely lucky?
you can always trade up, like thechiefs did or the eagles
That's just great. We're a team with many holes and now we will probably be forced to trade up?
WOuldn't it have been easier to draft a good qb in rd 1 and then you don't have to trade up ot get a decent rb?
Now you've also covered up other holes ALONG with you will have some quality with your draft picks at inexpensive prices for several years?
A guy like him comes along every 10 years.
Except Alvin Kamara exists.
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In comment 14126067 PatersonPlank said:
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very accurate. Look you grab great talents when you can get them. Barkley is a unique guy. Next draft there will be the Oregon and WVU kids who will be just as good as whoever survives out of the Darnold/Allen/Mayfield/Rosen selections. This year was going to suck anyway, now we get Barkley and a top young QB
Suppose G_Men get 5 or 6 wins -- then we aren't going to get Darnold/Allen/Mayfield/Rosen are we unless we get extremely lucky?
you can always trade up, like thechiefs did or the eagles
That's just great. We're a team with many holes and now we will probably be forced to trade up?
WOuldn't it have been easier to draft a good qb in rd 1 and then you don't have to trade up ot get a decent rb?
Now you've also covered up other holes ALONG with you will have some quality with your draft picks at inexpensive prices for several years?
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And it won't be for sometime. We are witnessing first hand the limited impact a franchise running back has on a modern NFL offense. Even after an all world night, the giants scored 13 points. On the flip side, we saw a team with an elite qb and no name running backs move the ball all over the field last night. Usually, when a QB has a all world night, points are scored.
If the Giants come away with a top QB in 2019- maybe Herbert- then the Giants will look very good. If they spend years in the qb abyss, and Barkley has a Barry Sanders career- while one of the 2018 qbs (caveat that the Giants would have taken) has a great career and makes his team a perennial contender- it will have been the wrong pick.
Regarding seeing the limited impact a Franchise RB has. Barkley is awesome. I said it before we drafted him, that Barkley could be everything the hype said and more and it wouldn't help this team.
Personally I would have preferred trading down and using the picks to fix the OL. Fixing the OL makes your QB better, your RB better and your receivers better. We are witnessing just how much worse everybody looks when you have a bad OL.
Tell me, does OBJ look like the 80 million dollar man. How much of an impact is he making. Last night 6 for 44... Yawn...
Give even an average QB time to go through reads and let a play develop and he will pick a team apart. The Eagles have a great line (injuries are having an impact this year, but still). THeir line allowed Foles to win a SB. Dallas had a great line, 2 years ago it made Dak look like more than just a barely competent starting QB.
Fix the OL and this team would be much better, even with Manning and Gallman. Had we traded down and picked up 3 top OL in the draft, we would probably still be 1 - 6, but there would be hope. IA high draft choice next year and maybe we get a new QB. The line is still young but ready to protect him.
Now, we are really no better off going into this offseason than we were going into the last one. We still need 3 more starting OL and QB.
The Eagles do NOT have a great OL right now. It's not even good right now.
We saw what a QB can do and that's why a QB should have been the pick.
Their line was ranked in the top 5 last year by almost any measure...
I did say that injuries have affected it this year. Its not as good for sure... Look at what has happened to them, even with Wentz back, they have struggled. Well against everybody but us...