Will ownership allow Shurmur to pull the plug on Eli?

Shurmur should do it anyway and make them fire him. That is not a tenable work situation. If they fire him, they still have to pay him. Fuck John Mara if he doesn't let the coach coach. That's some Jerry Jones type shit.

Fuck this season.

so.

I think the backlash will be more likely if they don’t sit him and things stay the same.

instead of Geno fucking Smith, would he still be the head coach?

I contend it wasn't benching Eli that caused the uproar, it was benching him for a scrub like Geno

absolutely.

Ownership will want to see Lauletta in some real games.

Lauletta was picked by DG and Shurmur.

Ownership will know that Eli is done.

Eli's streak has already been broken.

In comment 14124802 Ben in Tampa said:

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instead of Geno fucking Smith, would he still be the head coach? I contend it wasn't benching Eli that caused the uproar, it was benching him for a scrub like Geno

+1.

get the start.

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instead of Geno fucking Smith, would he still be the head coach? I contend it wasn't benching Eli that caused the uproar, it was benching him for a scrub like Geno

This. I wish I could rate this post up.

Loyalty is a recipe for disaster. No one will ever forget what Eli did for the franchise and how he carried himself. HOF career and very accomplished. It's time to move on. I has been now for a couple of seasons. The rest of the season is about evaluation now. Guys are simply playing for jobs. I'm very interested in seeing Lauletta. I think it's time to activate him, cut Tanney and start giving him 2nd team reps. After we're 1-7, Lauletta should go the rest of the way.

Learn from your past mistakes. Alex Tanney is this year's Geno Smith. Lauletta- Webb. Get Lauletta up!

Lauletta takes over after the bye, likely 1-7 at that point.

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Lauletta takes over after the bye, likely 1-7 at that point.

That's what I see happening too.

In comment 14124802 Ben in Tampa said:

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instead of Geno fucking Smith, would he still be the head coach? I contend it wasn't benching Eli that caused the uproar, it was benching him for a scrub like Geno

I really don't think that mattered as much as people like to think. It's a convenient excuse to make for the billboards and former players threatening to boycott. The uproar might not have been as loud, but it would have been there.

What Giants fans and the media would have said about Webb after he threw his first pick would have been something.

Eli wikl sit this year. Lauletta will start after the bye.

Now, he might get drilled and put in the concussion protocol or pop a knee playing with this group of losers. Which would result in Eli becoming the starter again, but Eli sitting this year is as certain as the sun rising in the east.

Last night it should have become clear as day to anyone Eli is done.

we might then see some Lauletta, but I think they'll let Eli ride off into the sunset this year. He deserves that much. With that said, I do think Lauletta will see the field this year and Eli ceremoniously let go at the end.

In comment 14124802 Ben in Tampa said:

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instead of Geno fucking Smith, would he still be the head coach? I contend it wasn't benching Eli that caused the uproar, it was benching him for a scrub like Geno

That's certainly my take.

Heck, I wanted to see Webb to help evaluate where we were going in the draft.

will be getting booed out of the stadium. Sadly

In comment 14124836 rocco8112 said:

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Eli wikl sit this year. Lauletta will start after the bye. Now, he might get drilled and put in the concussion protocol or pop a knee playing with this group of losers. Which would result in Eli becoming the starter again, but Eli sitting this year is as certain as the sun rising in the east. Last night it should have become clear as day to anyone Eli is done.

Lots of folks on BBI still needing corrective lenses...

would be a good time in my mind due to this last shit show . Lauletta would have plenty of time to get ready since the nect game isn't for 11 days. Only issue is its on the road but against Falcons which aren't world beaters either.

The Giants will wait until they are mathematically eliminated IMO.

What will be interesting is if it's a straight benching or if Manning Inc. will be OK with the very practical approach Mcadoo proposed last year.

The notion you will only bring in the back-up if the game gets out of hand is ridiculous. What if the game never gets out control? What if you lose every game for the rest of the year by 2 scores or less?

In comment 14124835 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14124802 Ben in Tampa said: Quote: instead of Geno fucking Smith, would he still be the head coach? I contend it wasn't benching Eli that caused the uproar, it was benching him for a scrub like Geno I really don't think that mattered as much as people like to think. It's a convenient excuse to make for the billboards and former players threatening to boycott. The uproar might not have been as loud, but it would have been there. What Giants fans and the media would have said about Webb after he threw his first pick would have been something.

NY fans/media would've been critical regardless. At least (most) fans would've seen the rationale of playing the young guy though. We didn't need any additional film to know Geno sucks.

The Falcons and Redskins are both beatable teams. If Giants are 1-7 at the bye week or 1-8 after the MNF game in SF, then I think they will make the switch. Lauletta is not going to play much better than Eli without more first team reps and I don't think Shurmur will simply throw him to the wolves behind this OL.

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The notion you will only bring in the back-up if the game gets out of hand is ridiculous. What if the game never gets out control? What if you lose every game for the rest of the year by 2 scores or less?

ha ha! Oh, you were serious?

In comment 14124802 Ben in Tampa said:

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instead of Geno fucking Smith, would he still be the head coach? I contend it wasn't benching Eli that caused the uproar, it was benching him for a scrub like Geno

agree

I think everyone sees the writing on the wall at this point.

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Lauletta takes over after the bye, likely 1-7 at that point.

Fantastic... I'm heading out to San Fran for that game.

In comment 14124802 Ben in Tampa said:

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instead of Geno fucking Smith, would he still be the head coach? I contend it wasn't benching Eli that caused the uproar, it was benching him for a scrub like Geno

I agree with you that the problem wasn't benching Eli, it was benching Eli for Geno, but he was 3-13 and had lost the locker room. Unless he married Kate Mara, he was gone either way.

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In comment 14124878 christian said: Quote: The notion you will only bring in the back-up if the game gets out of hand is ridiculous. What if the game never gets out control? What if you lose every game for the rest of the year by 2 scores or less? ha ha! Oh, you were serious?

God I wish you would cut off all your fingers. Obnoxious meatball troll.

I agree, that was what pissed people off. Probably not, they sucked. It was time to pull the plug on Jerry and Ben.

In comment 14124802 Ben in Tampa said:

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instead of Geno fucking Smith, would he still be the head coach? I contend it wasn't benching Eli that caused the uproar, it was benching him for a scrub like Geno

and clearly poster...

With regards to offense, you need to let any coach not named (hand$-% or maca$-%+) be the absolute dictator.

Let Betch dictate the D absolutely as well.

In comment 14124878 christian said:

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The Giants will wait until they are mathematically eliminated IMO. What will be interesting is if it's a straight benching or if Manning Inc. will be OK with the very practical approach Mcadoo proposed last year. The notion you will only bring in the back-up if the game gets out of hand is ridiculous. What if the game never gets out control? What if you lose every game for the rest of the year by 2 scores or less?

Even as bad as we are, since no one in the NFCE is running away mathematical elimination could not happen till week 14.

Eli had a point about the practicality to the half time switch: you should do all you can to get the starter prepared to play, you cant split the practice reps 50/50. That being the case I think its has to be a full benching.

In comment 14124802 Ben in Tampa said:

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instead of Geno fucking Smith, would he still be the head coach? I contend it wasn't benching Eli that caused the uproar, it was benching him for a scrub like Geno

^^This^^

entertain the prospect of sitting Eli until they are mathematically eliminated. Then in their own minds, they can justify pulling the plug. Don’t expect Manning to go quietly either. He won’t make it easy on them. He won’t retire or “ride off into the sunset”. He loves what he’s doing too much and will have to be drafted off the field. It’s going to be a messy ending ( like Simms was).

In comment 14124802 Ben in Tampa said:

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instead of Geno fucking Smith, would he still be the head coach? I contend it wasn't benching Eli that caused the uproar, it was benching him for a scrub like Geno

Maybe, but that would have still ended the playing streak, which I recall as being the biggest thing.

once the team has been eliminated, Lauletta getting some time later in games when there's a blowout or no chance of winning. Not sure I'd want him behind this line at this moment.

got that start? Webb is unemployed and Smith is on an NFL roster. Webb was junk. People were just convinced that he mattered.

to do with it

In comment 14125637 Big Blue '56 said:

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to do with it

Bullshit. Mac got fired for his benching of Eli last year. It'll have to come from ownership. They made it as such.

This season. Shit I wouldn’t even have a problem if they kept Eli for another year AND drafted the hot shot qb this coming april. But the giants have to set the new qb thing in motion sooner than later. I still say there’s nothing wrong with qb competition. Eli has never faced any. Why not let his eventually replacement battle him from day one. Qb controversy is such bullshit. It’s just an excuse for bad play.

In comment 14125637 Big Blue '56 said:

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to do with it

Mara was consulted on the decision to work in other QBs last year and after the crapstorm that ensued you better believe he will have an approval or veto over any plans

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got that start? Webb is unemployed . . .

Webb is getting paid 605k for his services in 2018 by the Jets. He chose them over other offers because they guaranteed the salary for the full year.

He's employed, and his NFL employment is now a reasonable bet to post-date Eli Manning's.

And perhaps Dave Gettleman's.

Firstly, McAdoo was a goner regardless, he lost control of himself and tge lockerroom. As to consulting, he’s the owner, but the final decision will rest with Gettleman and Shurmur. Period.

it's pretty amazing. Gettleman & Shurmur are middle managers. They have a voice and some level of authority but any major decisions are coming straight from the Mara's. It's not like John Mara pretends their not. He's quite up front that he's making the calls.

In comment 14125877 Big Blue '56 said:

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Firstly, McAdoo was a goner regardless, he lost control of himself and tge lockerroom. As to consulting, he’s the owner, but the final decision will rest with Gettleman and Shurmur. Period.

Let me amend, somewhat: Any owner technically has final say and Mara will, as he has before, have input. But the final decision on whether Eli starts or not will rest where it belongs, with the GM and HC. They weren’t hired to be “yes men.”

are very involved in running the team. they will be involved in a decision to bench Eli. All the parties will have input and come to a decision. In the event of deadlock, Mara has to decide whether to defer or to override. such momentous decisions are not being made without consulting ownership

My take from the Coach's response is that he is running with a mandate. "We believe in Eli" is short & clearly stated just like marching orders from ur boss.

Like it or not, Eli is it the rest of the way this yr as long as he can walk. I for one will be watching the Oregon game today... Hope DG is too ;-P

In comment 14125637 Big Blue '56 said:

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to do with it

Any move of that magnitude has to be run through the owner. It doesn't just go down without high level discussions.

In comment 14126092 fkap said:

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are very involved in running the team. they will be involved in a decision to bench Eli. All the parties will have input and come to a decision. In the event of deadlock, Mara has to decide whether to defer or to override. such momentous decisions are not being made without consulting ownership

Mara will do what the Maras always do and that is kowtow to the mob. This is the 70's all over again when the mob ran Morral, Tarkenton and Morton off only to watch all of them qb teams to the Super Bowl, Tarkenton head to the Hall of Fame and the Pisarcik, Snead, Dean, Golsteyn era.

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In comment 14125637 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: to do with it Any move of that magnitude has to be run through the owner. It doesn't just go down without high level discussions.

I mentioned input. I believe Mara would defer, ultimately, to DG and PS