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Can you pinpoint when Eli got bad?

CMicks3110 : 10/12/2018 3:15 pm
I think back from where Eli was at his peak in 2011, and that o-line was not exactly stellar to where he is now, and it's really hard to pinpoint where he really regressed. Or if it's just been a long, slow, undiscernable slope into oblivion. He put up good stats in 2014-2015, then his performance has collapsed in '16, '17 and now '18. I think he was still pretty solid in '12, and '13 we know was a complete sh*tshow. So where did it occur? Was there a season you can point to where you say, you know what, his arm isn't the same, or he's mentally not the same.

My gut feeling is that it's the system. There is no option routes anymore for Eli - The option route in Coughlin's offense took advantage of Eli's tremendous decision-making skills. He now knows exactly where the receivers going to be, and is forced to take the safe decision because he already knows that the defense has accounted for all the other routes. In the option route system, it didn't matter what the defense threw at you, he could pick it because the receiver was reading the defense with him, and would adjust based on what was available.

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When he signed his last fat contract.  
xman : 10/12/2018 9:22 pm : link
Seriously the hit was the final straw that broke the back. Stop with the playoff game vs Green Bay. The way people talk about it you'd think he put up 4 TD's in the game
I don't know about Eli, but for this franchise the game that jumps out  
Go Terps : 10/12/2018 9:26 pm : link
The loss in Cleveland in 2008. Our line was elite to that point and we looked unstoppable. Then Shaun Rogers devastated the interior of our line and led Cleveland to an upset and our first loss of the year. Crucially, it was a harbinger of the loss we suffered against the Eagles in the playoffs, when they dominated us with Patterson and Bunkley. We won another Super Bowl after that primarily because of Eli's excellence carrying a mediocre team, but that was the closest we ever got to greatness. I've never been able to let go of that game in Cleveland, and specifically Shaun Rogers mauling O'Hara, Seubert, and Snee.
RE: That Washington DT (Baker) planted him a couple years ago.  
Ivan15 : 10/12/2018 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14125058 bceagle05 said:
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Hasn’t been the same since, IMO.


Yeah that was the play. He played scared the rest of the season and hasn’t been the same since.
that's when Eli's faces and shoulder shrugs started  
gtt350 : 10/12/2018 10:12 pm : link
it's tough to watch knowing opposition fans probably find it hilarious
RE: RE: RE: That Washington DT (Baker) planted him a couple years ago.  
KentGraham : 10/12/2018 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14125140 BillKo said:
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In comment 14125131 OdellBeckhamJr said:


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In comment 14125058 bceagle05 said:


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Hasn’t been the same since, IMO.



This.

Week 3 2016



Not going to disagree with that...............


This game comes to mind for me too, I forgot about that hit but remember them down 2 late in the fourth and it was the last time that I just knew Eli would drive the field for another clutch win. He didn’t, he threw an INT and my faith in him has been on a steady decline since. I love Eli, he was robbed years of his prime because of the lack of talent on the team, but unfortunately he’s now part of the problem.
In an attempt to brng some levity to the discussion...  
EricJ : 10/12/2018 10:26 pm : link
I will go with.... "after the coin toss"
The Baker sack might be it...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/12/2018 10:27 pm : link
in case you need reminding, was this the last time Eli stepped directly into pressure to complete a pass?

The line that Eli was robbed of the second half  
xman : 10/12/2018 10:42 pm : link
of his career by the lack of talent likely pertains to many QB's. Rivers Rogers Brees et al?
That  
rocco8112 : 10/12/2018 10:51 pm : link
is the play. Center and left guard clear mental error and I do not even think Eli sees the DT engulf him like that. Brutal hit. Richburg even puts his hands on his head in horror since he probably thinks he just got Eli killed.
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Route 9 : 10/13/2018 3:44 am : link
Wasnt there a hail mary throw he had vs the Chargers in 2013 before halftime where it didnt even come close to hitting the end zone? Even with all of the interceptions that year, I think that stuck out to me that we were not seeing the same QB anymore.

I thought the 2013 season Eli had still was a bit shocking at the time. I thought the way the Giants played week 1 vs Dallas was going to be the way that offense was going to look for the rest of the year, no way I saw 0-6 down the road. Getting shutout twice in one season by Carolina and Seattle as well.

If you think about it, Eli that Dallas week 1 game accounted for 22% of his touchdown throws for the season. He then throws 14 TDs and 24 INTs in the following 16 weeks, but won 7 games because they played a bunch of backup QBs.

Eli has just been hit way too many times to count...
RE: I don't know about Eli, but for this franchise the game that jumps out  
Route 9 : 10/13/2018 3:52 am : link
In comment 14125660 Go Terps said:
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The loss in Cleveland in 2008. Our line was elite to that point and we looked unstoppable. Then Shaun Rogers devastated the interior of our line and led Cleveland to an upset and our first loss of the year. Crucially, it was a harbinger of the loss we suffered against the Eagles in the playoffs, when they dominated us with Patterson and Bunkley. We won another Super Bowl after that primarily because of Eli's excellence carrying a mediocre team, but that was the closest we ever got to greatness. I've never been able to let go of that game in Cleveland, and specifically Shaun Rogers mauling O'Hara, Seubert, and Snee.


Sorry but I feel that no moment (even a blowout loss to Cleveland) in 2008 is worth mentioning on a thread about the present day, or last 6 years or so Giants team.

We are lightyears away from those days. Even in the years to follow 2008: 2009 with starting 5-0 and missing the playoffs and the 2010 Jackson game, those teams were at least playoff contenders. I remember shitting on the Giants for playing that irrelevant game week 17 vs Minnesota in 2009. "You just won a Super Bowl years back, you dont play irrelevant games"

Now? Playing irrelevant games has been quite the common theme around these parts over the past 5 years and I'm getting fucking sick of it.
RE: That Washington DT (Baker) planted him a couple years ago.  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/13/2018 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14125058 bceagle05 said:
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Hasn’t been the same since, IMO.


This. That was a brutal hit.
I don't think we can point to one moment  
PetesHereNow : 10/13/2018 2:40 pm : link
Eli has taken a lot of hits over this year, and it's taken a toll on him.

The comparison that I made to my dad was Sugar Ray Leonard made a comeback in the mid 90s, but it was like he was a shell of himself. Too many hits over the year, looks fine in the gym/sparring, but can't get it done with what he has anymore.

I still think that if you put Eli behind a really good line, he could regain some confidence and be effective but we clearly don't have that sort of cast around him. And by the time we do, it'll be too late.
RE: I've got this Ferrari...  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/14/2018 7:56 am : link
In comment 14125273 x meadowlander said:
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...and a few years ago, replaced the tires with shopping cart wheels.

For the life of me, I can't understand why the car rides like shit. I even traded out the shopping cart wheels with new shopping cart wheels, same result!

Trying to figure out exactly when my Ferrari became a piece of shit.

Your Ferrari was never a Ferrari in the first place. What do I win?
I remember thinking around the time the hurricane hit  
#10* : 10/14/2018 7:34 pm : link
Eli wasn’t playing well after. I thought it maybe had to do with him moving since his home took on water if I remember correctly. Pretty sure he had the dough to build a better film room in his new place but don’t feel like he’s been the same since then unfortunately.
RE: He just aged  
dank41 : 10/15/2018 6:41 am : link
In comment 14125171 Jerry in DC said:
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That's all it is. Just like every other human on earth. As popular as he is around here, he's not immune to it.

It doesn't happen all at once. You get older, you lose a little here, lose a little there. He's 37. That's a long career. Brady and Brees are exceptions. Very few guys maintain close to the same level into their late 30s


This. Also, QB's never seem to know when they are done. Always seems like they have to find the hard way and the fall off is huge.

I said after seeing Peyton regress in his last year that I would hate to see what Eli's regression looks like.
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