I think back from where Eli was at his peak in 2011, and that o-line was not exactly stellar to where he is now, and it's really hard to pinpoint where he really regressed. Or if it's just been a long, slow, undiscernable slope into oblivion. He put up good stats in 2014-2015, then his performance has collapsed in '16, '17 and now '18. I think he was still pretty solid in '12, and '13 we know was a complete sh*tshow. So where did it occur? Was there a season you can point to where you say, you know what, his arm isn't the same, or he's mentally not the same.
My gut feeling is that it's the system. There is no option routes anymore for Eli - The option route in Coughlin's offense took advantage of Eli's tremendous decision-making skills. He now knows exactly where the receivers going to be, and is forced to take the safe decision because he already knows that the defense has accounted for all the other routes. In the option route system, it didn't matter what the defense threw at you, he could pick it because the receiver was reading the defense with him, and would adjust based on what was available.
Yeah that was the play. He played scared the rest of the season and hasn’t been the same since.
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Hasn’t been the same since, IMO.
This.
Week 3 2016
Not going to disagree with that...............
This game comes to mind for me too, I forgot about that hit but remember them down 2 late in the fourth and it was the last time that I just knew Eli would drive the field for another clutch win. He didn’t, he threw an INT and my faith in him has been on a steady decline since. I love Eli, he was robbed years of his prime because of the lack of talent on the team, but unfortunately he’s now part of the problem.
I thought the 2013 season Eli had still was a bit shocking at the time. I thought the way the Giants played week 1 vs Dallas was going to be the way that offense was going to look for the rest of the year, no way I saw 0-6 down the road. Getting shutout twice in one season by Carolina and Seattle as well.
If you think about it, Eli that Dallas week 1 game accounted for 22% of his touchdown throws for the season. He then throws 14 TDs and 24 INTs in the following 16 weeks, but won 7 games because they played a bunch of backup QBs.
Eli has just been hit way too many times to count...
Sorry but I feel that no moment (even a blowout loss to Cleveland) in 2008 is worth mentioning on a thread about the present day, or last 6 years or so Giants team.
We are lightyears away from those days. Even in the years to follow 2008: 2009 with starting 5-0 and missing the playoffs and the 2010 Jackson game, those teams were at least playoff contenders. I remember shitting on the Giants for playing that irrelevant game week 17 vs Minnesota in 2009. "You just won a Super Bowl years back, you dont play irrelevant games"
Now? Playing irrelevant games has been quite the common theme around these parts over the past 5 years and I'm getting fucking sick of it.
This. That was a brutal hit.
The comparison that I made to my dad was Sugar Ray Leonard made a comeback in the mid 90s, but it was like he was a shell of himself. Too many hits over the year, looks fine in the gym/sparring, but can't get it done with what he has anymore.
I still think that if you put Eli behind a really good line, he could regain some confidence and be effective but we clearly don't have that sort of cast around him. And by the time we do, it'll be too late.
For the life of me, I can't understand why the car rides like shit. I even traded out the shopping cart wheels with new shopping cart wheels, same result!
Trying to figure out exactly when my Ferrari became a piece of shit.
Your Ferrari was never a Ferrari in the first place. What do I win?
It doesn't happen all at once. You get older, you lose a little here, lose a little there. He's 37. That's a long career. Brady and Brees are exceptions. Very few guys maintain close to the same level into their late 30s
This. Also, QB's never seem to know when they are done. Always seems like they have to find the hard way and the fall off is huge.
I said after seeing Peyton regress in his last year that I would hate to see what Eli's regression looks like.