Don’t get all the anger. Is this season really a surprise?

Yes.

I expected our offense and defense to play much better than this. I was not as optimistic about the special teams.

I did not expect us to look like Ben McAdoo 2.0.

not expect this team to be the worst team in professional football.

but I thought they would have a functioning O and compete for the NFCE

I was not expecting them to be this bad.

team has been sub-par for years now.

In comment 14125065 Dave in Hoboken said:

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team has been sub-par for years now.

We're not just sub par now. We're at the very bottom.

Not the second coming of the 70s

Was McAdoo trolling the giants when he picked them to win the division this year?

to perform as badly as (or worse than) last year.

I thought they would stink but show signs of improvement and culture change for the better. But, they're worse than I expected, and now it should really drive home it's time (a year too late probably) to start putting the Eli era behind them.

They need time to rebuild the OL and break in a new QB, but the fan base might not allow them to to do it, ala the outrage versus benching him a year ago.

In comment 14125054 Eric from BBI said:

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Yes. I expected our offense and defense to play much better than this. I was not as optimistic about the special teams. I did not expect us to look like Ben McAdoo 2.0.

We saw this last year Eric. No OL, no Offense. And the idea the OL was fixed was a long shot.

We changed the entire o line out. We all had hopes it would be better. Some had doubts it would be completely fixed but how did you know how it would turn out without ever seeing this unit together?

Also Betcher and Shurmer were big names with recent success. Suggesting you "knew" they wouldnt help our team is BS.

We also had some key players like Odell returning from injury. Yeah we should have been better.

Id want to wear my ny cap on a Monday (or Friday) every now and then...

In comment 14125083 JonC said:

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I thought they would stink but show signs of improvement and culture change for the better. But, they're worse than I expected, and now it should really drive home it's time (a year too late probably) to start putting the Eli era behind them. They need time to rebuild the OL and break in a new QB, but the fan base might not allow them to to do it, ala the outrage versus benching him a year ago.

What kind of a team based business and solid business decisions on what the fans think?

If the giants are hanging onto manning just because they are afraid of backlash then this thing will get a whole lot worse

maybe even the conference.

In comment 14125092 crick n NC said:

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In comment 14125083 JonC said: Quote: I thought they would stink but show signs of improvement and culture change for the better. But, they're worse than I expected, and now it should really drive home it's time (a year too late probably) to start putting the Eli era behind them. They need time to rebuild the OL and break in a new QB, but the fan base might not allow them to to do it, ala the outrage versus benching him a year ago. What kind of a team based business and solid business decisions on what the fans think? If the giants are hanging onto manning just because they are afraid of backlash then this thing will get a whole lot worse

Eli was put back in the starting lineup last season, and the GM and HC fired, and the fan backlash was the last straw catalyst to setting it in motion.

Mara wants asses in the stadium seats, make no mistake it's a huge factor in his thought process.

I did, too. But expect it to be better. That wasn’t realistic.

Counterproductive? Doesn't a shitty team keep the seats empty?

and they're going to have to get much better to get to 5. Hopefully they won't.

I knew it
Eli was done last year -- Rather than face this
Ownership got GM and Coach who gave them happy talk

Many of GM moves were obviously about getting rid of Reese players rather than evaluating players in. a rational way to win

But it’s still tiresome. The Giants have sucked for years now. Two years ago they made the playoffs in what was basically a complete fluke of a season only to get blown out by Green Bay. Otherwise it’s been bleak since Super Bowl 46.

The Giants are now firmly established as one of the very worst teams in the league. Literally any other team would look at the Giants on their schedule and think “that’s a win”, probably an easy win.

It’s not just Shurmur or McAdoo, the rot set in under Coughlin. It’s years of bad drafting, bad decision making and denial about what was really going on.

I just hope this season is the real rock bottom. Last year somehow was not enough of a wake up call for ownership, but there’s no denying it now.

Reading some people’s posts this summer about how good we were going to be without even seeing this team on the field was amusing. The OL pieces we picked would not have been available if they were that good. That being said how could anyone think that Eli was going to be less skittish and more accurate this season. I thought getting Barkley was a good move and now we have to draft OL and a QB. OBJ signing was a not good move because he has played on too many losing teams and wants to go to warm weather and a winner. Let him go. He is another Terrell Owens.

if that's what's needed to cleanse this franchise. Ownership has been in denial for quite some time - I guess they need the visual of a broken down Eli being carted off the field before they realize a new direction is needed.

But I wonder if this really is another 3 or less win season if someone from the Tisch side takes on the role of Tim Mara jr. someday. We can hope.

although I'm sure some people here had high hopes for the season. I'd guess this week is bad because it was essentially the end of our season. Going forward people will start checking out and either won't watch or won't care.

It doesn't help that the guy running our team wears his room temperature IQ like a badge of honor. In a league that's constantly getting smarter and more advanced, it's not exactly comforting to have a luddite at the helm.

In comment 14125104 giantfan2000 said:

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I knew it Eli was done last year -- Rather than face this Ownership got GM and Coach who gave them happy talk Many of GM moves were obviously about getting rid of Reese players rather than evaluating players in. a rational way to win I agree ..seems like some of the moves were to just get rid of guys without really having a better player to replace them with. I honestly can I had no idea what to expect this season because I really didn't know who half of the players brought in were....Shit I still don't

Thought the O-line would become middle of the row not
bottom of the barrel . The offense really shows nothing new
Eli has yet to benefit having a run game and a decent level
of pass protection .
On defense going from a 4-3 to a 3-4 without quality LB's
and no FS add in the loss of JPP and we have zero impact
plays on defense Bringing back Tom Quinn is a head scratchier
at best .

Give me a decent OL (I’d take any of the other NFCE OLs) and I think a winning record is likely with this talent. But you have to build an OL and they are starting from scratch.

I didn't think we'd be THIS bad.

That's been the surprise for me.

pronounced Omameh's name, "Oh Mama." Sounds like a perfect nickname for him.

U not be angry? Another season over before it started.

I'll give him every opportunity to change my opinion this year, but so far he's not been what I expected, at least from an offensive perspective. There are certainly factors affecting our play, talent in the trenches being one, but I thought Shurmur would do a better job of scheming around some of our deficiencies.

If DG is the same guy he was in Carolina, he should fix the trenches. In order for this thing to get turned around, that must be first and foremost and until that happens, we'll see more of the same. Just out-muscled in the trenches, at least on O. The DLine has some players and could be a force for this team.

Are Mara, DG and Shurmur surprised? Did they grossly miscalculate the talent on this team? If they did, fans should be rightly angry at them for botching this shit to hell.

never predicted this bad.

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That's been the surprise for me.

Did it not raise eyebrows that two men (Belichick and Coughlin) who value the old school in terms of the trenches and offensive lineman, willing let these players go without any type of a fight to keep them?

Have left their previous teams and those teams have not had any noticeable drop in performance in their absence.

It should say something about the (lack of) quality in these players.

But a sucker is born every minute in free agency and desperation is a hell of a drug where you can be talked into thinking a guy is better than he is.

I remember how I felt, watching Herman Fucking Edwards run into the end zone, a game the lowly Giants had won, and then lost in an unthinkable fashion.

I felt abandoned by my team, the team I loved so much. How could they do this to their fans, put such crappy product on the field year after year after year! And I felt really low, like some kind of idiot, a sucker. I'm feeling like a fool for being a loyal fan of a shit team, a shit franchise, a team that was always shit and always would be shit. I felt like a fool and I knew there was no way out for me, I would be Giants fan forever.

Last night, I was embarrassed. I felt like a fool all over again. The talent sucks. The QB is over the hill. The coaching is suspect at best. The effort isn't there. On national TV, Troy Aikman is calling out the defense for lack of effort. I saw it and everyone watching saw it too.

I did not expect a shit show this year. I did not expect to be embarrassed by lack of effort.

It sucks to be a Giants fan, all over again. I'm not proud of my team. I'm embarrassed by my team.

In comment 14125083 JonC said:

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I thought they would stink but show signs of improvement and culture change for the better. But, they're worse than I expected, and now it should really drive home it's time (a year too late probably) to start putting the Eli era behind them. They need time to rebuild the OL and break in a new QB, but the fan base might not allow them to to do it, ala the outrage versus benching him a year ago.

No surprise here. JonC has had this regime change pegged 100% from last winter and didn't have to post more than 1 or 2 lines at a time to show it.

In comment 14125159 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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Are Mara, DG and Shurmur surprised? Did they grossly miscalculate the talent on this team? If they did, fans should be rightly angry at them for botching this shit to hell.

Shurmur said flat out the OL was the key to the offense and thus the season. I doubt he’s shocked at their talent level.

When the schedule came out, I said 1-7 at the bye and finish with 4/5 wins. Well, I think I'm going to nail the bye week record, but I think it's going to be closer to 2/3 wins in total.

I didn't expect them to be a true SB threat, but I thought they would be a lot more competitive than they've been.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think he'd be a decent left tackle, which he's always been. Instead, he's a turnstile. Didn't know Omameh from Adam, but figured he couldn't be worse than John Jerry - I was wrong. I thought the OL as a whole would be mediocre rather than terrible, and I gave them way too much credit.

This never looked like a team that was a few moves away from fixed.

had renewed hope for Flowers, center was questionable and Hernandez is a rookie... but I didn't expect the same old shit, if not worse.

It sucks getting beaten, especially by their rival, but it's sad when fans piss on their own organization, instead of just accepting that the other team was just better. That is sports.

....I am stupid apparently

In this league of parity. Nope. Injury to Vernon probably cost us a game or two.

If no significant moves are made this week, I think it will be appropriate for all of us to go into full mega triggered internet meltdown mode.

as soon as I saw that we kept 23 and brought in 30 new players. Of those 30, a handful were draft picks whom we could hope would pan our (in time) and 2 were Solder and Ogletree whom we could hope were quality. But the 23 keepers included Shane Smith and Flowers and a few more of that level. So it was obvious we were at the start of a complete rebuild. It is bound to take time; and my worry is not that but that with Mara at the helm it may never be accomplished successfully.

But I'm not angry. Actually, some of what this team does is so bad it's comical. (How often do you get to laugh at your team's miscues during the year?)

Nothing changed much. Improving two of the six OL players, counting the TE in there, wasn't going to change overall performance. (They thought they were getting three effective new OL players, but one looks like a dud.) The 3-4 as opposed to the 4-3 really didn't mean anything for the D, even adding one new decent LB, or cover up not having effective pass rushers. So same old, same old in the pass rush department is not a surprise. The secondary did not get better or more reliable. Barkley has exceeded expectations, but he's just one guy. The passing game should not have been touted as scary good and way better than last year's just because OBJ was expected back. And it isn't.

In comment 14125163 BigBlueinChicago said:

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In comment 14125150 bceagle05 said: Quote: That's been the surprise for me. Did it not raise eyebrows that two men (Belichick and Coughlin) who value the old school in terms of the trenches and offensive lineman, willing let these players go without any type of a fight to keep them?

Especially Jax, they had a ton of cap space and could easily have kept Omameh as depth, but chose to let them go. The Pats weren’t going to pay Solder anyway and he’s proving them right, so far a total bust.