Justin Herbert

Mario Cristobal is

of the following qbs:
top 3-4 from 2019 draft class
Darnold
Allen
Rosen
Mayfield
Mahomes
Watson
Goff
Jackson
Wentz.


I know that is a lot of work so im not expecting anything. But I do respect Sy's and Daves work and opinions.

We stop being obsessed with spread offenses in college. Guess what no one goes under center in college. Mahomes Texas tech looks pretty good. Wentz fcs school pretty freaking good. Darnold, baker you need to pay attention to their footwork and how they go through the progressions. I’m an Oregon duck homer that is my one college football team I watch play. He is the best qb I’ve seen including mariota n Harrington. What I like about Herbert is he pass first run second that was mariota problem his was the opposite. Herbert reminds me a ton of Wentz. He can make every throw and run when he needs to. Everyone should watch the game at 3:30 tomorrow if should be a shootout. I expect Oregon wins they should be undefeated.

so sitting behind a veteran will be beneficial to him.

In comment 14125413 Jay on the Island said:

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so sitting behind a veteran will be beneficial to him.

Sitting behind the RIGHT vet would be beneficial.

In comment 14125420 superspynyg said:

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In comment 14125413 Jay on the Island said: Quote: so sitting behind a veteran will be beneficial to him. Sitting behind the RIGHT vet would be beneficial.

There will be plenty available. Fitzpatrick and McCown would be my top two cheap choices.

In comment 14125412 Eli owns all said:

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We stop being obsessed with spread offenses in college. Guess what no one goes under center in college. Mahomes Texas tech looks pretty good. Wentz fcs school pretty freaking good. Darnold, baker you need to pay attention to their footwork and how they go through the progressions. I’m an Oregon duck homer that is my one college football team I watch play. He is the best qb I’ve seen including mariota n Harrington. What I like about Herbert is he pass first run second that was mariota problem his was the opposite. Herbert reminds me a ton of Wentz. He can make every throw and run when he needs to. Everyone should watch the game at 3:30 tomorrow if should be a shootout. I expect Oregon wins they should be undefeated.

That’s pretty much where I’m at. These kids aren’t stupid. They are playing in offenses that maximize the talent of the entire roster. It’s usually not a reflection of any QB shortcomings. It’s a lazy argument at this point.

he will be tutoring JH next season and let hi m take over midseason.

Is another old mentality. You just need to let these kids figure it out. Will you go through growing pains of course but it’s a learn on the fly system if you’re picked in the top half. Darnold Rosen Allen baker all 4 already starting. Yes some injuries made that happen but it’s the correct move on all 4 teams

In comment 14125389 Anakim said:

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Mario Cristobal is

Cristobal was the OC under Taggert there. And they're still running that spread offense.

At first, I didn't see it. But the more I have seen him the more I think he has pretty much everything you want in your future franchise qb. The one area I notice that is either correctable or falls under the heading of who cares is his elongated throwing motion. I think his footwork is solid, strong and accurate arm , as well as athletic. Most importantly, he looks like a qb. When he puts it all together it works. This is exactly the opposite of a guy like Webb who had all the individual tools, but when he put it together, it didn't work.

There are two clear impediments that should cause Giants fan to temper their excitement with him: (1) I'm not sure he declare and (2) I am not sure the Giants will be one of the three or four worst teams at the end of the season, leaving open the possibility of another team trading in front of them or a qb needy team being on top of them.

Perhaps the Giants should get a look at Lauletta if for nothing else than possibly punting on the season without being too obvious.

Haskins declares for draft
And Haskins is the absolute real deal right up there with Tua

In comment 14125437 lax counsel said:

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At first, I didn't see it. But the more I have seen him the more I think he has pretty much everything you want in your future franchise qb. The one area I notice that is either correctable or falls under the heading of who cares is his elongated throwing motion. I think his footwork is solid, strong and accurate arm , as well as athletic. Most importantly, he looks like a qb. When he puts it all together it works. This is exactly the opposite of a guy like Webb who had all the individual tools, but when he put it together, it didn't work. There are two clear impediments that should cause Giants fan to temper their excitement with him: (1) I'm not sure he declare and (2) I am not sure the Giants will be one of the three or four worst teams at the end of the season, leaving open the possibility of another team trading in front of them or a qb needy team being on top of them. Perhaps the Giants should get a look at Lauletta if for nothing else than possibly punting on the season without being too obvious.

I do not think you have to lose any sleep over your second concern. This team is a mortal lock to be one of the worst four teams. Picking first overall is highly likely.

The only possibility is if the coach wakes up and just force feeds Barkley the ball, including more on the ground, an Barkley on his own gets the team points. This may net a win or two against really bad teams. But the Giants are looking good for a top three pick.

I will watch the game Saturday, curious to see how this guy looks.

In comment 14125437 lax counsel said:

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At first, I didn't see it. But the more I have seen him the more I think he has pretty much everything you want in your future franchise qb. The one area I notice that is either correctable or falls under the heading of who cares is his elongated throwing motion. I think his footwork is solid, strong and accurate arm , as well as athletic. Most importantly, he looks like a qb. When he puts it all together it works. This is exactly the opposite of a guy like Webb who had all the individual tools, but when he put it together, it didn't work. There are two clear impediments that should cause Giants fan to temper their excitement with him: (1) I'm not sure he declare and (2) I am not sure the Giants will be one of the three or four worst teams at the end of the season, leaving open the possibility of another team trading in front of them or a qb needy team being on top of them. Perhaps the Giants should get a look at Lauletta if for nothing else than possibly punting on the season without being too obvious.

I agree with this. The hellish part of our schedule is coming to an end. Engram will be back for our next game. We are suddenly getting very healthy. Barkley is emerging as an absolute animal. Giants fans dont see it but I think if we let things stand we are going to gobble up some wins in the second half. Sounds awful, but going to Lauletta early would prevent them from finishing with 6-8 wins and picking in the middle of the pack, something we can ill afford.

of an NFL draft you almost HAVE to declare. There is no upside in waiting another year in terms of setting yourself up financially.

In comment 14125433 Rflairr said:

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In comment 14125389 Anakim said: Quote: Mario Cristobal is Cristobal was the OC under Taggert there. And they're still running that spread offense.

Pretty much every college runs the spread O. It's a similar offense, but not the same. The formations differ.

Cristobal is Herbert's third different HC at Oregon.

In comment 14125437 lax counsel said:

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At first, I didn't see it. But the more I have seen him the more I think he has pretty much everything you want in your future franchise qb. The one area I notice that is either correctable or falls under the heading of who cares is his elongated throwing motion. I think his footwork is solid, strong and accurate arm , as well as athletic. Most importantly, he looks like a qb. When he puts it all together it works. This is exactly the opposite of a guy like Webb who had all the individual tools, but when he put it together, it didn't work. There are two clear impediments that should cause Giants fan to temper their excitement with him: (1) I'm not sure he declare and (2) I am not sure the Giants will be one of the three or four worst teams at the end of the season, leaving open the possibility of another team trading in front of them or a qb needy team being on top of them. Perhaps the Giants should get a look at Lauletta if for nothing else than possibly punting on the season without being too obvious.

Welcome aboard the Herbert Train. We did have some pretty great discussions about him. Hope those continue.

In comment 14125433 Rflairr said:

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In comment 14125389 Anakim said: Quote: Mario Cristobal is Cristobal was the OC under Taggert there. And they're still running that spread offense.

everyone runs the spread

In comment 14125442 Earl the goat said:

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Haskins declares for draft And Haskins is the absolute real deal right up there with Tua

Disagree. Herbert is the superior prospect to Haskins and neither is the passer Tua is. I think Herbert has a better arm and is for sure more athletic than Haskins. I think if the medicals check out, Herbert will go ahead of Haskins.

In comment 14125389 Anakim said:

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Mario Cristobal is

Yes I know Willie T is gone . Cristobal was Willie T’s OC. I’m sure the offense has changed a bit, but I’m not sure how much.

you force him out of the pocket and make him move.
Then again, I guess most every QB has the same issues.

Hebert is similar to Allen
Hebert has great athletic ability
He is 6’-6” and is 230
He looks and moves like a much smaller person
Hebert is a long strider who has run a 4.67 forty
He can make all the throws, but, he is raw and it appears that he does not read the field well

This is correctable and it will be interesting to see how he does for he rest of the year

A sleeper to watch is the Daniel Jones the QB at Duke
He is an excellent athlete with a great arm he is rising up the boards
He is also coached by David Cutcliff, the Manning QB guru, who has said Jones is a better thrower than Eli or Peyton
He is 6’5” and has run a 4.6 forty
I know I can’t help but think of Dave Brown

In comment 14125442 Earl the goat said:

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Haskins declares for draft And Haskins is the absolute real deal right up there with Tua

If Haskins and Herbert declares then we are in a damn good position

In comment 14125512 Archer said:

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Hebert is similar to Allen Hebert has great athletic ability He is 6’-6” and is 230 He looks and moves like a much smaller person Hebert is a long strider who has run a 4.67 forty He can make all the throws, but, he is raw and it appears that he does not read the field well This is correctable and it will be interesting to see how he does for he rest of the year A sleeper to watch is the Daniel Jones the QB at Duke He is an excellent athlete with a great arm he is rising up the boards He is also coached by David Cutcliff, the Manning QB guru, who has said Jones is a better thrower than Eli or Peyton He is 6’5” and has run a 4.6 forty I know I can’t help but think of Dave Brown

Accept for the fact that Daniel Jones has broken clavicle and hasn't played in several weeks.

In comment 14125430 spike said:

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he will be tutoring JH next season and let hi m take over midseason.

Do they broadcast the games where you live?

Jones played against VT after only missing two games
He made a remarkable recovery from a fractured clavicle snx played well

can't it be easily broken again?

I began to think he might not declare. It would be tough to turn down and opportunity to play with your brother in college. A once in a lifetime opportunity.

Then again, if he continues his current trajectory he has a good chance of being a top 5 pick, maybe even number one overall. And his brother might not be ready to start/play anyway as a true freshman.

I liked what I saw of him against Stanford. I'd be thrilled if he ended up with the Giants, mostly because it would be reason for hope/optimism.

I'm not down on Lauletta exactly, but he's not the caliber of prospect at QB that Herbert is. Just like I wasn't down on Webb, but would have been fine if the Giants wanted Darnold (or Rosen, or whoever) at QB.

... you've seen the O-Line... you've seen what the OL has done to Eli Manning... ther Giants have a Top 3 pick... would you declare for the draft as a top-rated QB?

In comment 14125442 Earl the goat said:

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Haskins declares for draft And Haskins is the absolute real deal right up there with Tua

LOL Haskins isn't going ahead of Herbert.

In comment 14125581 SHO'NUFF said:

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... you've seen the O-Line... you've seen what the OL has done to Eli Manning... ther Giants have a Top 3 pick... would you declare for the draft as a top-rated QB?

Ummm yeah. You aren't ending up in a better situation then you would with us. We have Odell, Barkley, Shepard & Engram. Not to mention we play in the biggest market/best city in the World. There's a reason Eli forced a trade to NY.

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... you've seen the O-Line... you've seen what the OL has done to Eli Manning... ther Giants have a Top 3 pick... would you declare for the draft as a top-rated QB?

Yeah don’t declare because an OL is bad? Sounds like a player I wouldn’t want because that player would be a moron.

And this OL is made worse by our QB, so that needs to be factored in. Pressure looks a lot worse against a statue than it does a moving object.

Is a very interesting prospect for a number of reasons.

1. Coming out of David Cutcliffe’s system. Meaning he’s fundamentally sound, adept at going through reads, and is capable of making adjustments at the line.

2. Prototype size at 6’5 220. Mobility to extend plays. Big arm to make all the throws. Completing nearly 70 percent this season.

3. Playbook is very similar to Shurmur’s scheme in its use of RPOs, route combinations, and spread formations.

4. Would probably be a day 2 pick QB allowing us to get help on the either front with the 1st pick.

In comment 14125465 Anakim said:

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In comment 14125437 lax counsel said: Quote: At first, I didn't see it. But the more I have seen him the more I think he has pretty much everything you want in your future franchise qb. The one area I notice that is either correctable or falls under the heading of who cares is his elongated throwing motion. I think his footwork is solid, strong and accurate arm , as well as athletic. Most importantly, he looks like a qb. When he puts it all together it works. This is exactly the opposite of a guy like Webb who had all the individual tools, but when he put it together, it didn't work. There are two clear impediments that should cause Giants fan to temper their excitement with him: (1) I'm not sure he declare and (2) I am not sure the Giants will be one of the three or four worst teams at the end of the season, leaving open the possibility of another team trading in front of them or a qb needy team being on top of them. Perhaps the Giants should get a look at Lauletta if for nothing else than possibly punting on the season without being too obvious. Welcome aboard the Herbert Train. We did have some pretty great discussions about him. Hope those continue.

Interestingly enough, I read an article on 24/7 sports that the Giants are sending scouta to watch Herbert for the 4th time this seaons. I am not sure what the protocol is this sort of thing, but it seems they are very interested. I also don’t know how many times the Giants scouted the top qbs last year.

I think the Giants brass needs to think about some classy send off for Eli, while giving Lauletta the bulk of the season. I do not believe he’s an NGL starter, but it accomplishes getting him looks as a backup to the next top draft pick- Maybe Herbert- and punting on the season.

In comment 14125749 lax counsel said:

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In comment 14125465 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14125437 lax counsel said: Quote: At first, I didn't see it. But the more I have seen him the more I think he has pretty much everything you want in your future franchise qb. The one area I notice that is either correctable or falls under the heading of who cares is his elongated throwing motion. I think his footwork is solid, strong and accurate arm , as well as athletic. Most importantly, he looks like a qb. When he puts it all together it works. This is exactly the opposite of a guy like Webb who had all the individual tools, but when he put it together, it didn't work. There are two clear impediments that should cause Giants fan to temper their excitement with him: (1) I'm not sure he declare and (2) I am not sure the Giants will be one of the three or four worst teams at the end of the season, leaving open the possibility of another team trading in front of them or a qb needy team being on top of them. Perhaps the Giants should get a look at Lauletta if for nothing else than possibly punting on the season without being too obvious. Welcome aboard the Herbert Train. We did have some pretty great discussions about him. Hope those continue. Interestingly enough, I read an article on 24/7 sports that the Giants are sending scouta to watch Herbert for the 4th time this seaons. I am not sure what the protocol is this sort of thing, but it seems they are very interested. I also don’t know how many times the Giants scouted the top qbs last year. I think the Giants brass needs to think about some classy send off for Eli, while giving Lauletta the bulk of the season. I do not believe he’s an NGL starter, but it accomplishes getting him looks as a backup to the next top draft pick- Maybe Herbert- and punting on the season.

The Giants have been scouting a bunch of quarterbacks each week. Off the top of my head I’ve seen local reporters say that they’ve been in attendance to see Herbert, Lock, Stidham, and Jackson from Buffalo. If you do a quick Twitter search on Saturdays for giants scout you’ll see a few each week.

In comment 14125512 Archer said:

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Hebert is similar to Allen Hebert has great athletic ability He is 6’-6” and is 230 He looks and moves like a much smaller person Hebert is a long strider who has run a 4.67 forty He can make all the throws, but, he is raw and it appears that he does not read the field well This is correctable and it will be interesting to see how he does for he rest of the year A sleeper to watch is the Daniel Jones the QB at Duke He is an excellent athlete with a great arm he is rising up the boards He is also coached by David Cutcliff, the Manning QB guru, who has said Jones is a better thrower than Eli or Peyton He is 6’5” and has run a 4.6 forty I know I can’t help but think of Dave Brown

Are you confusing Herbert with Lock? Allen is inaccurate, has no touch and doesn’t hit guys in tight windows or in stride. Herbert is a far superior passer than Allen. Check this thread. Allen can’t make any of those throws routinely.
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In comment 14125430 spike said:

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he will be tutoring JH next season and let hi m take over midseason.

Not likely. IF they do take Herbert, and I am hoping they do, it makes more sense, unfortunately, to cut Eli and take the huge cap savings.

are truly special. But, I do think both are as good or better than the 4 top QBs from this draft thus far.

I'm an Eli fan but it is time to go all in on his replacement. I don't know if they will cut Eli next year but I am thinking it would be ideal for him to stay and pass the torch. He may be too proud to do it or the Giants may not want to pay him the 23 Million to mentor Hebert or another young QB.

In comment 14125512 Archer said:

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Hebert is similar to Allen Hebert has great athletic ability He is 6’-6” and is 230 He looks and moves like a much smaller person Hebert is a long strider who has run a 4.67 forty He can make all the throws, but, he is raw and it appears that he does not read the field well This is correctable and it will be interesting to see how he does for he rest of the year A sleeper to watch is the Daniel Jones the QB at Duke He is an excellent athlete with a great arm he is rising up the boards He is also coached by David Cutcliff, the Manning QB guru, who has said Jones is a better thrower than Eli or Peyton He is 6’5” and has run a 4.6 forty I know I can’t help but think of Dave Brown

Thanks for the name, another QB to watch this year. Had never heard of him.

In comment 14125512 Archer said:

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A sleeper to watch is the Daniel Jones the QB at Duke He is an excellent athlete with a great arm he is rising up the boards He is also coached by David Cutcliff, the Manning QB guru, who has said Jones is a better thrower than Eli or Peyton He is 6’5” and has run a 4.6 forty I know I can’t help but think of Dave Brown

Based on your comment I checked out Jones on YouTube.

I always thought that it was dumb to dismiss a prospect because he plays the same position at the same school as a failed player. But having said that... Jones not only is a Duke QB, he has the same build as Dave Brown (both 6' 5" 220-230) and he also wears #17. That's a lot of negative karma to overcome.

From Duke!