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Is now the time to make the change at QB?

shocktheworld : 10/13/2018 10:03 am
The season is effectively over....many teams view the time after a Thursday Night game as a mini bye. Do they make the change to the hand picked rookie now?

Luckily for Shurmur, the last regime took the heat for ending Eli's game streak, so this would simply be a move for the future that many fans would be fine with.

Yes we will lose most of the games, but at this point I'm rooting for the #1 pick, so that works out fine. We see if we have something in Lauletta and start to plan for the post Manning era... at this point why wait...sucks to say it because I have love for Manning, but it's time
So you want a QB to go out there  
dep026 : 10/13/2018 10:06 am : link
who never dressed and at best split practice 2nd team reps?

No its not the time. The time is after the bye.
I don't have inside knowledge  
ProfPistolPete : 10/13/2018 10:07 am : link
to make the judgement that Lauletta is ready to step onto an NFL field. And really that's the long and short of it, it's not "is it time to bench Eli," but rather "is there anyone to put out there besides him" that's the real underlying issue.
Start uping his practice reps  
ron mexico : 10/13/2018 10:10 am : link
To get him ready sometime after the bye if this continues
Lauletta isn’t ready so not yet. I just don’t want to see  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/13/2018 10:11 am : link
Tanney.

Maybe after the actual bye week, Lauletta can sub in in the second half when the game is out of hand. I doubt the fan outcry will be much this time around.

He might suck, but part of me thinka he may be able to make some plays with his feet, which Eli can’t, and Shurmur will be forced to run Barkley more.
Yes  
holmancomedown : 10/13/2018 10:20 am : link
after the bye week. We have to see what we have in this kid. Shurmer better not muck it up !
We don't have any other QB's that can be the future anyway  
PatersonPlank : 10/13/2018 10:21 am : link
Just changing for the sake of changing doesn't help anything. KL will not do any better than Eli. We need to draft the Oregon or WVU kid. If we had one of them now I'd be ok with working him in
Depends on how ready  
fkap : 10/13/2018 10:22 am : link
Lauletta is. If he shows any sign of possibly seeing the field this year, bump him up to the second spot now, and put him in after the bye.

If Manning continues to shit the bed, yank him after the bye regardless. Put in Tanney. anybody. It would probably be an act of kindness to bench him and not subject him to physical punishment and humiliation.

No  
Sammo85 : 10/13/2018 10:27 am : link
They’ll make the switch later in year, maybe earlier if Eli struggles in next few games still and the team really tanks.
I heard more than one interview  
edavisiii : 10/13/2018 10:34 am : link
that said the worse thing you could do to a rookie is put them behind this offensive line. I think we need to play the hand we have. Let's face it, Eli is aging, he is not adapting to the system (some of this falls in Shurmur and Greise) the FA signings especially at RG, did not work. The defense is not what it should be. Lost in this mess is the fact both sides are learning a new system and that is not going smoothly!
...  
christian : 10/13/2018 10:35 am : link
It's time to start that process. They need to firmly install the rookie as the 2nd team QB and get him real reps for the next 2 weeks.

The teams should do something really special for Manning during at the Redskins game and have the orderly transition to Lauletta a grown up team does.
RE: Yes  
Deejboy : 10/13/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 14126061 holmancomedown said:
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after the bye week. We have to see what we have in this kid. Shurmer better not muck it up !

Muck up what? So if he somehow didn't coach up a 4th round pick from Richmond into Tom Brady after like 8 weeks of the NFL season he mucked it up????
Tanney is the guy  
AcesUp : 10/13/2018 10:44 am : link
If you make the switch now or shortly. I really don't understand why everybody is in a hurry to throw Lauletta in there when we still have 10 games of season left. That's a long time. Especially for a guy that played at Richmond, looked raw as hell in preseason and has only taken #3 reps since the start of the season. Of course you give him a look but you're not giving him any shot as a prospect but sending him out there now.
Lauletta  
Pepe LePugh : 10/13/2018 10:47 am : link
is the hand-picked successor to Eli?????????????
I never heard that, or got that impression. They took a flier on a player that has some ability, but most likely his upside is as a cheap back-up.
Too  
AcidTest : 10/13/2018 10:47 am : link
early. After the bye.
A reality check for some of you people....  
EricJ : 10/13/2018 10:49 am : link
1. The team looks like we are the worst team in the league
2. We are still just 2 games out of first place.
3. Putting another QB in there sends a message to the rest of the team and the fans that we are giving up on the season to prepare another QB for next year.
4. Based upon #2^, management is not going to give up on the season yet.
5. If it happens, it will be done after we are mathematically eliminated whenever that is.
...  
christian : 10/13/2018 10:57 am : link
I agree the Giants will wait for a few more loses. But I really miss 2004 Coughlin.
How to bunch a quarterback - ( New Window )
RE: ...  
Big Blue '56 : 10/13/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 14126127 christian said:
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I agree the Giants will wait for a few more loses. But I really miss 2004 Coughlin. How to bunch a quarterback - ( New Window )


And he changed QBs after the away loss to the Cards ( I was at the game) while still being in the playoff hunt at 5-4
I bet somehow theyll pull off what happen last year  
micky : 10/13/2018 11:16 am : link
Never giving the kid a chance even when ready.
Changed to what?  
HomerJones45 : 10/13/2018 11:16 am : link
there is nothing behind Eli. Nothing. This would have made sense had we invested a #1 pick two or three years ago like moving up for Goff or Wentz or Mohomes. We didn't as we wisely took Eli Apple in 2016 and Engram in 2017.

So other than for the personal entertainment value to fans for whom the backup qb is the most popular player on the team, there is no purpose to it.
RE: A reality check for some of you people....  
ajr2456 : 10/13/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 14126109 EricJ said:
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1. The team looks like we are the worst team in the league
2. We are still just 2 games out of first place.
3. Putting another QB in there sends a message to the rest of the team and the fans that we are giving up on the season to prepare another QB for next year.
4. Based upon #2^, management is not going to give up on the season yet.
5. If it happens, it will be done after we are mathematically eliminated whenever that is.


Please stop with the "only x amount of games out of first" nonsense.

Just stop.
yes make the change. entertain us  
gtt350 : 10/13/2018 11:34 am : link
whatever happens at least you will have our attention
RE: Changed to what?  
ajr2456 : 10/13/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 14126153 HomerJones45 said:
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there is nothing behind Eli. Nothing. This would have made sense had we invested a #1 pick two or three years ago like moving up for Goff or Wentz or Mohomes. We didn't as we wisely took Eli Apple in 2016 and Engram in 2017.

So other than for the personal entertainment value to fans for whom the backup qb is the most popular player on the team, there is no purpose to it.


Because you have to see what the kid you drafted has. It really isn't a hard concept.

If they had gotten Webb ready to play last year they would have cut him before the draft most likely and Lauletta would have gotten more important reps in the preseason.

They couldn't cut Webb because they didn't get him on the field last year.
Lauletta rolling out at least creates possibility  
gtt350 : 10/13/2018 11:35 am : link
for a run or pass. we don't have that. he is accurate and it might open things up
RE: A reality check for some of you people....  
DonQuixote : 10/13/2018 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14126109 EricJ said:
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1. The team looks like we are the worst team in the league
2. We are still just 2 games out of first place.
3. Putting another QB in there sends a message to the rest of the team and the fans that we are giving up on the season to prepare another QB for next year.
4. Based upon #2^, management is not going to give up on the season yet.
5. If it happens, it will be done after we are mathematically eliminated whenever that is.


This is it. They will not do anything drastic until we are mathematically eliminated. If that comes soon, then there is lots of time to explore what we have later in the season. If that comes later, it is because we put a run together (as unlikely as that sounds).

We don’t have a better QB.  
Giant John : 10/13/2018 12:16 pm : link
I’m tired of hearing the nonsense about our QB position. The best guy we have is playing so stop the crying.
RE: We don’t have a better QB.  
Dutch77 : 10/13/2018 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14126223 Giant John said:
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I’m tired of hearing the nonsense about our QB position. The best guy we have is playing so stop the crying.


If the best guy we have is currently playing and is averaging 1 TD a game (7 points), can we really do any worse? At least if someone else is back there and we still continue to look this BAD, it's easier to explain. Time to move on!
RE: Lauletta isn’t ready so not yet. I just don’t want to see  
Dutch77 : 10/13/2018 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14126047 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Tanney.

Maybe after the actual bye week, Lauletta can sub in in the second half when the game is out of hand. I doubt the fan outcry will be much this time around.

He might suck, but part of me thinka he may be able to make some plays with his feet, which Eli can’t, and Shurmur will be forced to run Barkley more.


When you say Lauletta isn't ready, can he really be worse than what we're getting from the $20 million dollar man? You understand Eli has thrown 6 Td's in 6 games.
RE: Yes  
Dutch77 : 10/13/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14126061 holmancomedown said:
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after the bye week. We have to see what we have in this kid. Shurmer better not muck it up !


I approve this message!
I dont think  
MookGiants : 10/13/2018 12:55 pm : link
its going to matter if they play Lauletta. But it can't hurt. Almost certainly the Giants are goign to take a QB in the 1st round. I'm not sure you're going to know what you have with Lauletta. He's a 4th round pick that isnt even dressing on gameday right now. He's almost certainly not ready to play and even though he will probably be put in there at some point this year, chances are he's going to suck and that doesn't mean that's what he's going to be his entire career, but he's a small school 4th round pick that doesn't have a big arm, expecting him to show anything as a rookie is asking a lot, and probably unfair to the kid.
RE: A reality check for some of you people....  
Dutch77 : 10/13/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14126109 EricJ said:
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1. The team looks like we are the worst team in the league
2. We are still just 2 games out of first place.
3. Putting another QB in there sends a message to the rest of the team and the fans that we are giving up on the season to prepare another QB for next year.
4. Based upon #2^, management is not going to give up on the season yet.
5. If it happens, it will be done after we are mathematically eliminated whenever that is.


So keeping Eli in there when he is clearly a liablity at this point sends a message that we are trying to win? You think the guys in the locker room not named Pat Shurmur have confidence in Eli Manning? SMH
Before another QB...can Manning Still Play?  
Rafflee : 10/13/2018 12:56 pm : link
Call them Happy Feet....call them feet that know they don;t have time---It's hard to argue against BOTH!

Manning's Play stinks...and it needs to be better if they're gonna plan on fixing things around him. Otherwise, He's part of the Problem and not part of the fix.

The OL needs to keep the offense on the fireld and in the end zone....keep our D off the Field.

The Receiever position is O'Dell and "some guys"--- accept the fact that it's not more than that, and it's not good enough. That can change with Engram's return.

Obviously the Pass Rush and D Backs need some help.

I believe this roster is better than last year---but it's unsettled. Additionally, I'm wondering if they're gonna bail. NFL VETS do not make for good campers on deep losers.
No doubt  
lecky : 10/13/2018 1:12 pm : link
Hopefully after all the blunders this coaching staff and GM has made, maybe they got it right with Lauletta. They sucked at picking free agents, they took the wrong player in the draft, their on field performance is atrocious and the only hope we have is Lauletta is decent and we get a season next year. It would take 8 good years to get Shurmur to a .500 coach. 12 if we suck again next year.
I like Lauletta  
Foobarbaz : 10/13/2018 1:17 pm : link
He is accurate and a playmaker. We got the weapons but Eli is inconsistent with his throws, you can trust Lauletta.

They have to see what we have in him and maybe wont have to draft a QB next draft although I really didnt want to see him play till next season so he can work on his arm strength and professional coaching(which he never had coming from a bad football college)
With coaching and time to develop his arm strength he will be a monster
RE: RE: Lauletta isn’t ready so not yet. I just don’t want to see  
HomerJones45 : 10/13/2018 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14126286 Dutch77 said:
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In comment 14126047 Jim in Hoboken said:


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Tanney.

Maybe after the actual bye week, Lauletta can sub in in the second half when the game is out of hand. I doubt the fan outcry will be much this time around.

He might suck, but part of me thinka he may be able to make some plays with his feet, which Eli can’t, and Shurmur will be forced to run Barkley more.



When you say Lauletta isn't ready, can he really be worse than what we're getting from the $20 million dollar man? You understand Eli has thrown 6 Td's in 6 games.
Yes, he can. Considerably. Nothing Lauletta does, and expect virtually nothing, is going to prevent us from taking a qb with our #1 pick nor should it. I fully expect us, however, to go out and trade for some former high pick with which his team is now disenchanted (meet Derek Carr, your new qb), running a couple of the former #1's who were released (say hello to Paxton Lynch) or horsing around with the Lauletta's of the world for a few years before realizing that yes we need to draft one.
RE: We don’t have a better QB.  
ron mexico : 10/13/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14126223 Giant John said:
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I’m tired of hearing the nonsense about our QB position. The best guy we have is playing so stop the crying.


That's not the point. No one thinks KL is better than Eli right now. But at some point a young QB will need to take his lumps learning the position at the pro level. Might as well use this season to do that if the team continues to struggle.
Fans continually  
joeinpa : 10/13/2018 1:24 pm : link
Overlook the idea, that coaches want to win the next game. There is no way they would consider such a change at this time, 6 games into the season.

Easy to say season is over. Do you remember a few seasons back I think Giants began 0-6 or 0-5, won a few games and actually had a game against Dallas that would have put them within legitimate reach of the division

It seemed just as unlikely then as it does now
I think it should be after the bye week assuming the Giants  
AnnapolisMike : 10/13/2018 1:34 pm : link
lose at least one of the next two games. But you could make a case just to do it now assuming Lauletta knows the playbook. MNF is probably not the right time to make a change but I would not be opposed to it.
RE: Fans continually  
ron mexico : 10/13/2018 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14126344 joeinpa said:
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Overlook the idea, that coaches want to win the next game. There is no way they would consider such a change at this time, 6 games into the season.

Easy to say season is over. Do you remember a few seasons back I think Giants began 0-6 or 0-5, won a few games and actually had a game against Dallas that would have put them within legitimate reach of the division

It seemed just as unlikely then as it does now


Remind me how that game against Dallas turned out.... on 2nd thought dont.

Kidding aside I agree it's way too early now. After they bye would be nice to give him two weeks but that will also probably be too early.
No but 1-7 would be  
arniefez : 10/13/2018 2:40 pm : link
My guess is that they don't change until they lose 9.
RE: RE: A reality check for some of you people....  
EricJ : 10/13/2018 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14126295 Dutch77 said:
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In comment 14126109 EricJ said:


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1. The team looks like we are the worst team in the league
2. We are still just 2 games out of first place.
3. Putting another QB in there sends a message to the rest of the team and the fans that we are giving up on the season to prepare another QB for next year.
4. Based upon #2^, management is not going to give up on the season yet.
5. If it happens, it will be done after we are mathematically eliminated whenever that is.



So keeping Eli in there when he is clearly a liablity at this point sends a message that we are trying to win? You think the guys in the locker room not named Pat Shurmur have confidence in Eli Manning? SMH


To you and ajr who responded to me earlier. This is not what I would do if I was running the team. I was merely stating why they are not going to pull Eli now and what THEIR line of thinking most likely is right now.

So, you can both stop challenging me with your questions on the merits of keeping Eli behind center. If it were up to me, I would get Lauletta some first string snaps over the next few weeks and would put him in after the bye.
Not  
Photoguy : 10/13/2018 3:00 pm : link
gonna happen.
RE: Fans continually  
christian : 10/13/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14126344 joeinpa said:
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Overlook the idea, that coaches want to win the next game. There is no way they would consider such a change at this time, 6 games into the season.

Easy to say season is over. Do you remember a few seasons back I think Giants began 0-6 or 0-5, won a few games and actually had a game against Dallas that would have put them within legitimate reach of the division

It seemed just as unlikely then as it does now


That's so not true. Coughlin conceded a 5-4 season to get a rookie QB on the field.
Mara probably takes the view he owes an obligation to the paying  
baadbill : 10/13/2018 6:53 pm : link
ticket holders to try to compete every single game until they are mathematically eliminated.

For me? I'd give playing time to players who could benefit from the experience starting now. That's true for the QB and all positions on the team.

But, having said that, I do not for one minute believe that playing Lauletta has anything whatsoever to do with the selection of Manning's successor. That player is likely to be drafted in the first round in the immediate future.
Do you really think  
UESBLUE : 10/13/2018 7:04 pm : link
Shurmur would bench Eli after what happened last season? It got the last coach fired. Eli will be trotted out there at 1-14 - book it.
Not yet......  
BillKo : 10/13/2018 10:29 pm : link
...but the QB change ultimately should be NEXT year.

You want to see Lauletta play some this year, in some capacity, just to get his feet wet.

So, first thing is he should be elevated to the #2 - after the bye week - so he can actually get into a game and be closer to what is actually happening on the field.

He certainly then should play in blowout - either way - and perhaps even start a few games depending on what happens as we go. Eli could get nicked up, the offense could go even more downhill (although I doubt it). This helps to evaluate his ability, and if he's a competent backup for next year's team (or, luckily, even something beyond a backup).

This is all predicated on the belief he's actually ready to play in a real NFL game - not a the scrimmages they played in August. If he's not ready, then Eli easily goes the rest of the year full time.

Tanney should not be considered at all......unless there's an injury.
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