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Barkley’s workload in a losing season?

Sean : 10/13/2018 12:12 pm
I heard this brought up by Peter King and it’s an interesting point- Considering the shelf life of a RB, does it make sense big picture to give Saquon a ton of touches in a losing year? Does there come a point where we limit the work SB gets to try & preserve him long term similar to a pitcher in baseball?

Thought this was an interesting concern brought up by King.
RBs are made to carry a workload.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/13/2018 12:13 pm : link
Give him the football. Are you saving him for his next contract?
RE: RBs are made to carry a workload.  
Boy Cord : 10/13/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14126219 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Give him the football. Are you saving him for his next contract?


I could not disagree more. Don’t run Barkley into the ground because the rest of the offense is effin incompetent. If there was something on the line like the playoffs, different story. This year is lost. Live to fight another day.
RE: RE: RBs are made to carry a workload.  
Sean : 10/13/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14126231 Boy Cord said:
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In comment 14126219 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Give him the football. Are you saving him for his next contract?



I could not disagree more. Don’t run Barkley into the ground because the rest of the offense is effin incompetent. If there was something on the line like the playoffs, different story. This year is lost. Live to fight another day.


Completely agree here.
I think they are already doing this.  
DonQuixote : 10/13/2018 12:25 pm : link
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I wanted to bring this topic up to  
bubba0825 : 10/13/2018 12:27 pm : link
However I didn’t know how to phrase it. I would lighten his workload considerably. Running backs don’t last long in today’s nfl and I think it’s best long term to use him sparingly. Let him learn about blitz pick ups, not how to spin out of a tackle when you’re hit in the back field
don’t burn him on this year  
wigs in nyc : 10/13/2018 12:30 pm : link
that would make zero sense
RE: I think they are already doing this.  
10thAve : 10/13/2018 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14126239 DonQuixote said:
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I agree. I didn’t do the math but I’d say he’s averaging 20-25 touches per game, combined rushing and receiving. And probably 15 or so carries per game.
RE: RE: RBs are made to carry a workload.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/13/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14126231 Boy Cord said:
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In comment 14126219 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Give him the football. Are you saving him for his next contract?



I could not disagree more. Don’t run Barkley into the ground because the rest of the offense is effin incompetent. If there was something on the line like the playoffs, different story. This year is lost. Live to fight another day.


For what purpose are we saving Carries? RBs have a shelf life, but that's about eight years from now.
Long term it’s probably smart  
BigBlueShock : 10/13/2018 12:38 pm : link
But that will not fly in this world of instant gratification and a fan base that finds the negative in anything and everything. Barkley can’t even get a breather for a couple of plays without brilliant fans shouting “whys he need a breather? He’s the second overall pick! He needs to be in there! What a waste of a pick!”. We’ve seen it on all the game threads whenever he’s on the sidelines.

In theory, yes, limiting the pounding this season would make sense. But fans cannot handle it in real time. People here wouldn’t look at it as if they are taking care of him, they’d look at it like it’s a wasted pick because he’s not on the field enough. Either way they play this, as usual, there would be a large segment of fans complaining
Barkley  
nochance : 10/13/2018 12:45 pm : link
If the team totally sucks ass this season he is going to carry the ball far less due to the Giants playing catch up quite often. However, he may catch more passes
Tiki Barber him  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/13/2018 1:03 pm : link
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RE: Barkley  
Boy Cord : 10/13/2018 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14126274 nochance said:
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If the team totally sucks ass this season he is going to carry the ball far less due to the Giants playing catch up quite often. However, he may catch more passes


If? How much more proof do you need?
I was thinking the same thing  
arniefez : 10/13/2018 2:25 pm : link
He probably has 5 prime years if he's lucky and they're already totally wasting one.
This is why  
giantsFC : 10/13/2018 2:37 pm : link
It’s almost. Almost cause to draft a running back so high on a team w no direction or franchise QB...by the time you get it together the RB is burned out or retired from injury
In a season  
crick n NC : 10/13/2018 3:07 pm : link
As terrible as this why risk a catastrophic leg injury which could easily turn him into a jag?

I certainly could be way off base, but I don't see the upside.
shut him down now  
gtt350 : 10/13/2018 3:09 pm : link
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It seemed like they were carefully monitoring the workload...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/13/2018 3:25 pm : link
when the games mattered more, now that we're further from a title I'd expect them to do more of the same.
The weird thing about the Giants situation:  
81_Great_Dane : 10/13/2018 3:26 pm : link
Barkley is too valuable a football player to risk his future by having him actually, you know, play football.

That sounds like a joke but think about how this forum has reacted to any really good Giant returning kicks since the Jason Sehorn injury. And now this.
NFL Fantasy  
Foobarbaz : 10/13/2018 3:42 pm : link
He prob has himself as a fantasy player
I sit Barkley  
bigblue18 : 10/13/2018 6:04 pm : link
the rest of the season. We need him in the future. Not now.
They’re going to do what they should do  
Bill L : 10/13/2018 6:17 pm : link
And that is approach each game individually with the objective of winning it and doing their best job to do so.

This is their jobs and they are professionals. Not a bunch of loser fans but people who are ethical in receiving their pay.
I was commenting in one of the game threads...  
EricJ : 10/13/2018 6:24 pm : link
when someone asked why they dont hand him the ball 25 times.

He has never played a 16 game season. His body needs some recovery time and without it his chances for injury are increased.
I had the exact same thought...  
M.S. : 10/13/2018 6:52 pm : link

...try to preserve this guy for when he has a team worthy of blocking for him.
M.S.,  
Doomster : 10/13/2018 10:43 pm : link
how long do you think that will take?
well...they haven't exactly been working him...  
BillKo : 10/13/2018 10:49 pm : link
....like the prototypical RB.

Despite his success, the Giants aren't feeding him the ball and letting him carry the team. Heck, there's been a few games where we've complained about him not getting the ball enough.

Right now he's averaging under 15 carries a game. That's where he takes the biggest physical pounding. 15 isn't a lot. But..we've also been behind a ton.

I'd continue to use him the way they have.......this stuff about preserving and limiting him...that's doesn't fly with an NFL head coach.

If he's a great player - and he appears to be - he'll play eight-ten years at a high level.

I'm thinking Marshall Faulk hopefully.
RE: I was thinking the same thing  
.McL. : 10/14/2018 2:07 am : link
In comment 14126450 arniefez said:
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He probably has 5 prime years if he's lucky and they're already totally wasting one.


That's why Barkley was the wrong choice for this team. He is a luxury that the Giants could not afford. Way too many holes to fill especially on the OL. And if you fix the OL you can still get most of Barkley's production from other players.

Don't get me wrong, Barkly is absolutely F'ing amazing. He is the only thing fun to watch on this team right now.

This is the question to ask: Are the Giants a better team with Barkley? Or would they have been a better team if they used all that Draft capital differently, like getting 2 more OL pieces, or a QB?

I think the answer to the first question is self evident.

I said it back in April. I said that Barkley could be the greatest running back ever, and he would still be the wrong choice. I used mountains of analytics to show that franchise RBs don't lead to wins. Also plenty of analytics to show that OLs and DLs provide far more value. We all know this. Its not sexy, but football is won in the trenches.

When I said this in the spring, I had a whole bunch of BBIers jump all over me. Calling me a troll. Saying that I know nothing about football... They tried to argue some BS about moving LBs and safeties around on the field and that would open up opportunities. That Barkley would cause the defenses to account for him... YADA YADA YADA. I understand all the technical stuff as well as almost anyobdy on here. But none of it matters if you can't block the play up long enough for it to develop. All teams have to do is attack the OL. Don't have to account for anybody in particular, just get penetration on every single play. Penetration blows up just about everything you try to do. Barkley sometimes does something super human, but its not enough.

One of the main points I made was that its far more important to be efficient running the ball, than it is to get big gainers. Runs of 2 yards or less are drive killers. The analytics show that conclusively. The occasional homerun doesn't make up for 7 failed drives. That is exactly how this offense is playing out. It is much better to get 4 yards and a cloud of dust almost every time you run it than it is to be boom or bust. You want to move safeties and LBers around, that's all you need to do. 4 yards the vast majority of the time. When they move in, put 8 men in the box and you have an OL that can still hold up, give the QB time to throw... THAT is winning football.

Believe me I hate it that I was right.
I’ve thought about this  
TD : 10/14/2018 2:12 am : link
Limit him to 250 touches max this year and next. 200 if we can do it.

RBs only have so many carries and touches in them. A VERY short list of RBs that do well past 2000 carries/2500 touches. That’s usually the wall or start of the decline.

This is one of the reasons why I didn’t want a RB...
I should say  
TD : 10/14/2018 2:19 am : link
“This is why I didn’t want a RB with the first pick this year.”

I’d be ok with a RB at #2 overall if we already had the other key pieces in place (QB, OL).
RE: M.S.,  
M.S. : 10/14/2018 6:29 am : link
In comment 14127100 Doomster said:
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how long do you think that will take?


Oh, boy, I wish I knew! We've got to have better answers at Center and Right Guard for certain. If the same two guys are there to start 2019, then next season will feel like this season. Not good.
I'll up the anti -  
section125 : 10/14/2018 7:15 am : link
bench Beckham and Engram also. No need playing them as the team is going nowhere this year. And come camp next summer, reassess. If the line improves and the new QB is capable, then let Beckham, Barkley and Engram play.
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